Wipe Out/No Wipe Out <Please Confirm>

[Xeneva]

I would like to really get a confirmation about the wipe out thingy..I have read many post ..some debating that Outsparks should not do a wipe out and some..propose that they should...

However..there are actually pros and cons to each decision but i personally would not want a wipe out and i really wish to get an answer from the public.

My personally opinion about the wipe out is that..it really just wastes our time here..in the closed beta and why not just keep it this way..No wipe out..unleash into open beta..We all have been enjoying and..what ? A restart..geeps..We all enjoy the game don't we?

This may sounds stupid but i still need some answers ?

Thanks for your time and sorry for any inconvinence caused..

[Mikitan]

Many have asked the GMs here, but none of them are actually giving out a straight forward answer. (I quote this from rider - "A wipe is uncertain")

We won't know unless they the GMs themselves post an actual thread/announcement on it. :/

[YuenSan]

I vote the 1st "no" if there will be a wipe >.<;;;

[AzraelT_T]

For now.. it's unknown. And pretty much useless to complain about either outcome. Just gotta wait and see, ya know? :D

[Skape87]

WIPE PLZ OH GOD LET THERE BE A WIPE


(then for at least a lil there will be no scammer spammers)

[AzraelT_T]

^ Well I guess that's ONE way of putting it.. but kind of blunt. Haha.

[centrixacc2]

There will be NO whipe

The GMs said that when Closed Beta ended, after the CB whipe there will be NO more whipe after Open Beta or during open beta.

[dantesbane]

I'd prefer that there WOULDN'T be a wipe. I don't want to lose my friend list :/


A wipe would only make things better for a short amount of time, then it would revert.

Just my opinion

~DB

[Skape87]

still to make things fair there should be a whipe before it goes public so we can find our fiends and lvl up a lil before all these outsiders get in

this will give the option for everyone to be close to other players not like other games lvl 100 pawning lvl 1 because thay lvl slow as *** XD

[ibaj]

I would like to really get a confirmation about the wipe out thingy..I have read many post ..some debating that Outsparks should not do a wipe out and some..propose that they should...

However..there are actually pros and cons to each decision but i personally would not want a wipe out and i really wish to get an answer from the public.

My personally opinion about the wipe out is that..it really just wastes our time here..in the closed beta and why not just keep it this way..No wipe out..unleash into open beta..We all have been enjoying and..what ? A restart..geeps..We all enjoy the game don't we?

This may sounds stupid but i still need some answers ?

Thanks for your time and sorry for any inconvinence caused..


It's not really wasting anyones time, If you are a beta tester you should know that playing a CBT game, theres a 50/50 chance of a wipe or not, Your reporting bugs, finding the glitches and what not so outspark can make the game better. One of the main reasons why people were Invited to the CBT.

[SenkoJi]

Wait... were in closed beta right now right? so theres going to be a wipe? I think there should only be a wipe if someone or some people found a glitch and abused it... but thats my thoughts.

I mean I wouldn't have that much of a problem with a wipe, it would get rid of the people who dont really like the game. but it could also get rid of the people who have been playing since it started and have level 60+ Chars...

[AzraelT_T]

Wait... were in closed beta right now right? so theres going to be a wipe? I think there should only be a wipe if someone or some people found a glitch and abused it... but thats my thoughts.

I mean I wouldn't have that much of a problem with a wipe, it would get rid of the people who dont really like the game. but it could also get rid of the people who have been playing since it started and have level 60+ Chars...
Well, there might be a small chance that there was a bug that someone abused. And that right there would deem worthy for a character wipe. It's kind of hard to scout out all characters that are testing the game, and I know that there is a lot of people out there that will play the game and not report bugs. It's just the sad truth.

[SenkoJi]

Yup, If I find a bug I tell GM's cause I like this game and dont want it to become corrupt. but then theres the few people who dont care about the game enough to report bugs and glitches.



But were in closed beta right? and theirs going to be a wipe at the end of Closed Beta?

[dashaman]

we are in open beta o_o

[Skape87]

we are the last line of testers before this game goes live

[SenkoJi]

I feel stupid now. but how come when I start up to select a server it says Closed Beta for me o_o... I will check it again when I get home... so theres not going to be another wipe till ***** hits the fan(like a massive glitch or bug that tons of people abuse)? Cool. At least people will stop bugging the GM's about it now.

[Skape87]

btw just for some of uppl who never Tested other games before 99.9% of the time thay will not have a wipe considering ppl can now waist there money on thi game
if they do wipe then they will have massive problems having to refund ppls cash and all that bull****

only game they had a wipe even tho ppl waisted there cash on it was SONW

[Jeremy23000]

btw just for some of uppl who never Tested other games before 99.9% of the time thay will not have a wipe considering ppl can now waist there money on thi game
if they do wipe then they will have massive problems having to refund ppls cash and all that bull****

only game they had a wipe even tho ppl waisted there cash on it was SONW

The cash shop isn't available yet so there shouldn't be anyone who have invested real money into the game.

[SenkoJi]

Well there are some games that dont give refunds just give you back the things you paid for or give you the credits again. Does anyone know if there will be like Pay Cards for the people out there who dont have credit cards like me?

So far the people that are just reading this there will be NO wipe. (but things can change if something happens)

[thrakx]

you guys cry a lot. the whole purpose of a wipe is so that everyone starts out the same when the game goes public. Duh.
If ur smart at all then u been using this time to figure out how to make money and lvl quickly and efficiently. get over it.

[Ryoshiro]

I dun care bout wipe, but wasn't the wipe already?

[RedCross]

Well, there might be a small chance that there was a bug that someone abused. And that right there would deem worthy for a character wipe. It's kind of hard to scout out all characters that are testing the game, and I know that there is a lot of people out there that will play the game and not report bugs. It's just the sad truth.

I disagree. There should be a way to observe the gains of certain players over time and notice an pattern that would otherwise be impossible, lest there was exploitation of a bug involved. :confused:

Though in my gaming experience I have never heard of a server-wide character wipe for mere "user based cheating", even playing field does sound nice. Banning has always been a result of accusations of hacking, cheating, or otherwise fraudulently developing one's profile. Alas, my heart would go out to those investing time into leveling, and not testing the game, as intended ^.^

[Drelovely]

we're still in CB, and i read in a post (can't remember which one @ the monment) that the GMs have not plans of there being a wipe...

[ibaj]

we're still in CB, and i read in a post (can't remember which one @ the monment) that the GMs have not plans of there being a wipe...

They haven't said if they were or not yet.

[FireWyrmZero]

it would make sence if they wiped, to start every1 anew, b/c if the game goes OB and we are all high lvls , it wont b nerly as fun 4 the newbs, i havnt been playing long, but all my friends are @ or near my lvl, but i dont disagree with a "head start" for us testers

btw, is fiesta a good game?
i dont really like Sos, but i care about it.....thats why im posting.....

[shiftfallout]

it would make sence if they wiped, to start every1 anew, b/c if the game goes OB and we are all high lvls , it wont b nerly as fun 4 the newbs, i havnt been playing long, but all my friends are @ or near my lvl, but i dont disagree with a "head start" for us testers

btw, is fiesta a good game?
i dont really like Sos, but i care about it.....thats why im posting.....

It goes both ways. If you start everyone off new again, you have these small zones filled with people trying to level up, and it gets cluttered, clutters the server and can potentially cause lag and more problems. Where as, if you have a spread out player base, it means that there will be more balance per player to map/mob ratio, and thus easier on the servers and on the players.

Also what would make sense is if they Doubled the XP gain if during closed beta if they planned a wipe, thus testing the characters out fully as they reach the later levels faster.

There really is no competition in games like this. People think its unfair, but ask your self... how is it really unfair? Is there some magic race going on? There isnt. Its not pvp based where you have one side vs the other. Its a PvE experience, and thus there really is no fair/nofair going on. Actually if someone is higher level than you, it will help lower the price of items in the economy with their own items.

[RhapsodyAngel]

Well there are certain outcomes to both ends...

1) If there IS a wipe-out, people who have built up charectors(Such as myself) and have spent time building that and feel like they have truly earned that charector and don't feel like restarting simply because it goes public(Which this case would be a ridiculous reason to whipe a charector, since you DID give us the headstart in the first place) would not come back. On the other hand, those of us who enjoy the game would come back, and those of us who wouldn't mind restarting would also come back. However in the end you're most likely going to lose a great portion of the people already playing. This game is advertised on Myspace(That's where I found it, anyways) and since it IS on Myspace, there aren't too many people who aren't at least aware of it. If a good portion of those people play the game, get a high enough charector, get their charector whiped, knowing how the general public reacts to something like that they're going to say "Well screw this" and get on with their lives. I've seen it happen before. RagnarokOnline has done it and they lost a TON of players because of it. Not too many people take kindly to their efforts being utterly wasted...Also, in addition to this, any problems with 'bots' or 'spammers', etc. etc. would only come straight back in the blink of an eye, so there's literally no point in having a wipe to clear out any of those potential problems, as they'll come right back. Thus one of the results of having an online MMORPG in general, is having a third party spring up somewhere along the road that is going to be a nuisance. It's nearly unavoidable, and the only real way to stop them is to ban the E-Mails or IPs of these nuisences.

The second option:

2)You don't have the wipe-out and give the new players a disadvantage. It's not necessarily unfair, however. They will be pushed to become one of these powerfull charectors like their peers are(That's how it was for me when I started playing RagnarokOnline, actually, and quite a few people I met who also began playing, and as the months went by and I became one of those 'greater players' I even inspired quite a few newer players to keep playing as well with how strong my charector was. I qoute one of those players now "Wow, I wanna' be like you, killing orcs all fast like that :D") Another outcome of this is the potential 'aid' given to newer players. I have a 43 rogue at the moment and I'm helping out my friend, who I know in real life who has just started playing this game a couple days ago, helping him get around, find people to party with around his level, suggest places to level up, etc. The only thing I can think of that will be considered a 'disadvantage' would be in PvP, which to my knowledge is only held in level-resitricted events. The level-restriction itself is enough to take away this disadvantage, as well. Honestly, not having the wipe would be near identical to having a game that's been up and running for quite some time, minus the larger atlas.

I'm trying my best to not be biased, as I do support the idea of not having a wipe-out. However these are the conclusions I can draw from both ends. Either make an utter-waste out people's efforts and inspire them to leave, or inspire newer players to become more like their peers. The economy as it is now is stable, the level distribution of charectors is very even(meaning plenty of charectors of all levels) and the general population is positive, motivated and generally nice people. I don't see why you would want to wipe that out for a temporary fix. Sure, it may come back, but there's no gauruntee on that, like there is about the spammers, bots, etc.

[tates2]

Skape87, I know that you want to play fair with others when SoS turns to public but what about the others who really worked hard in gathering their equips, leveling their chars, and most of all their time... but still we are Beta Testers so we can't really predict what will be the outcome. Most of the other Games who Wipes the accounts after the Beta. ^_^

[shiftfallout]

Well there are certain outcomes to both ends...

1) If there IS a wipe-out, people who have built up charectors(Such as myself) and have spent time building that and feel like they have truly earned that charector and don't feel like restarting simply because it goes public(Which this case would be a ridiculous reason to whipe a charector, since you DID give us the headstart in the first place) would not come back. On the other hand, those of us who enjoy the game would come back, and those of us who wouldn't mind restarting would also come back. However in the end you're most likely going to lose a great portion of the people already playing. This game is advertised on Myspace(That's where I found it, anyways) and since it IS on Myspace, there aren't too many people who aren't at least aware of it. If a good portion of those people play the game, get a high enough charector, get their charector whiped, knowing how the general public reacts to something like that they're going to say "Well screw this" and get on with their lives. I've seen it happen before. RagnarokOnline has done it and they lost a TON of players because of it. Not too many people take kindly to their efforts being utterly wasted...Also, in addition to this, any problems with 'bots' or 'spammers', etc. etc. would only come straight back in the blink of an eye, so there's literally no point in having a wipe to clear out any of those potential problems, as they'll come right back. Thus one of the results of having an online MMORPG in general, is having a third party spring up somewhere along the road that is going to be a nuisance. It's nearly unavoidable, and the only real way to stop them is to ban the E-Mails or IPs of these nuisences.

The second option:

2)You don't have the wipe-out and give the new players a disadvantage. It's not necessarily unfair, however. They will be pushed to become one of these powerfull charectors like their peers are(That's how it was for me when I started playing RagnarokOnline, actually, and quite a few people I met who also began playing, and as the months went by and I became one of those 'greater players' I even inspired quite a few newer players to keep playing as well with how strong my charector was. I qoute one of those players now "Wow, I wanna' be like you, killing orcs all fast like that :D") Another outcome of this is the potential 'aid' given to newer players. I have a 43 rogue at the moment and I'm helping out my friend, who I know in real life who has just started playing this game a couple days ago, helping him get around, find people to party with around his level, suggest places to level up, etc. The only thing I can think of that will be considered a 'disadvantage' would be in PvP, which to my knowledge is only held in level-resitricted events. The level-restriction itself is enough to take away this disadvantage, as well. Honestly, not having the wipe would be near identical to having a game that's been up and running for quite some time, minus the larger atlas.

I'm trying my best to not be biased, as I do support the idea of not having a wipe-out. However these are the conclusions I can draw from both ends. Either make an utter-waste out people's efforts and inspire them to leave, or inspire newer players to become more like their peers. The economy as it is now is stable, the level distribution of charectors is very even(meaning plenty of charectors of all levels) and the general population is positive, motivated and generally nice people. I don't see why you would want to wipe that out for a temporary fix. Sure, it may come back, but there's no gauruntee on that, like there is about the spammers, bots, etc.

There is one thing you over looked.

There will be more than one server. Meaning, if there was, hypothetically speaking, no wipe... then new players can use the new server which will have no CB characters on it.

Either way, no one gets shafted really. And again, there is no race reach the highest level. The only thing people get for rushing their levels as if there is some magic race, is a reputation for not having a life. Its like going to a nice restaurant, when the food comes do you take your time with it? or shove it down your throat to be the first to finish? Thats essentially what level racers do in these game. Its silly.

[brdza84]

There shoud be wipe out only if there is change in character builds,skills, etc. Maybe they have planned something like big changes in game, its a closed beta after all.

[poolplayermaster]

a complete and total whipe is neccesary to keep things even it would be fair to have a bunch of level 1 noobs and then a level 60 person

[gigglesofwisdom]

a complete and total whipe is neccesary to keep things even it would be fair to have a bunch of level 1 noobs and then a level 60 person

yes but....we still have a bunch of lvl 1s -.-

[RhapsodyAngel]

There is one thing you over looked.

There will be more than one server. Meaning, if there was, hypothetically speaking, no wipe... then new players can use the new server which will have no CB characters on it.

Either way, no one gets shafted really. And again, there is no race reach the highest level. The only thing people get for rushing their levels as if there is some magic race, is a reputation for not having a life. Its like going to a nice restaurant, when the food comes do you take your time with it? or shove it down your throat to be the first to finish? Thats essentially what level racers do in these game. Its silly.

That's assuming people actually 'race' to get level ups. I have a friend in RL who I have recently gotten into playing this game, my rogue's level 44 now and his Fighter's 24, he's trying to catch up so we can play together. If by racing you mean people trying to be the highest level on the server, the idea of such a thing is obsurd. True people tend to have that mindset, I have to admit I did too when I started playing, but that sort of thing fades as soon as you begin playing the game and realize more and more that people already have you beat.

Another thing you seem to neglect is the fact that starting everybody off new again is only going to assure, with 100% certainty, that people do in fact see it as a race, due to the fact that the spotlight is on without anybody standing in it. If your argument is indeed about this 'race' then if anything you should support not having a server wipe. When I began playing RagnarokOnline I wanted to make an Assassin Cross at first, become the 'most powefull' assassin cross ever. However after I started playing the game that feeling had faded because of the fact that so many people already had me beet. Now if I were to start the game on a completally new server with fresh lvl 1 charectors everywhere, then that would come right back. In fact, a more current example of this is the class that was recently added to RagnarokOnline, the TaeKwon. There is a list of the top10 TaeKwons in RagnarokOnline, based on what they've killed and how many points they receive from killing at least 100 of that particular monster. As soon as the TaeKwon's came out, BAM! Everybody who wanted a TaeKwon also wanted to be on that list and the competition was fierce. However as soon as the list was made and people filled those top10 spots, people began to not care so much about it anymore. Same goes for the Blacksmith forgery points and the Alchemist potting points for the top 10. Nobody really cares about getting on the top10 anymore. Just the same about this game, if people see that there are already powerfull people, that 'race' that you seem to cling onto as your major point of argument would be gone. Just the same if we started over, that 'race' will be right there and everybody will go for it.

You used an analogy of eating at a nice resturaunt. Of course nobody's going to wolf their food down real fast, they're going to enjoy their meal. However if everybody had their food, but the first person to get done with their meal got a brand new, very nice car(use your imagination) they're going to want to get it done as fast as they possibly could to claim their prize....In the case of this particular game, that prize is being the most powerfull, something that, as it stands now, isn't possible for newer players or older players alike...

A wipe seems like the only sure-fire way to even start that 'race' as you seem to want to not-happen...

[RhapsodyAngel]

a complete and total whipe is neccesary to keep things even it would be fair to have a bunch of level 1 noobs and then a level 60 person

This was stated earlier by someone else, but the levels are currently distributed evenly thoughout the game. There are already a TON of level1-10 charectors that I see running around town getting their levels from quests, and there are even more outside of town from levels 1-25 in the low level areas in large parties or groups, or soloing their way throughl levels. Just the same, the further you go out into the wilderness, the more higher levels you see in their groups having fun leveling...

However if you were you start that over you'll have a lot of level1 charectors cramped up in the same spot with far too few monsters to go around, constant kill stealing, extremely low leveling, lag spikes out the wazzoo, etc. etc. Think of it like this: China is currently overpopulated to the point the families living there need a license(or permit? Forgot which one) in order to have children, lest theybe carried away and given a forced abortion. This is because they don't have enough resources to go around as it is. If we didn't have enough resources to go around, in this case monsters for leveling up and experience, people are going to quit playing because they can't make any progress and the game will die before it even gets started.

[DragonMan949]

....
Why are we discussing this already? We all know that the wipe may not come, just wait and see until OBT comes. If theres a wipe, its a wipe. Get over it. If there isnt be happy if ur a CBT.
Someone just close or delete these threads plz... Waste of a topic -_-

[Tormentdevil]

We're here to test it, not debate on what they do with it.
Sure, it'd be nice to have no wipe, I worked all day yesterday to get to level 25, and quite frankly, that was hard work for me, being a newbie and all. Haha.

But still, I'm going to agree with Dragonman on this one.