Improvement to the community: Bring back the GLs?

[windrider07]

There have been a lot of issues lately regarding in-game features and/or bugs. If you are ever in-game when this happens, you will see a lot of people complaining about it. These players suffer as a result of their issues not being resolved. It could be something as simple as helping remove a spam bot to something more complex. For those that remember GL's (Game Leaders), they were a wonderful asset to the community and helped it greatly. The community now has CL's (Community Leaders), GM's (Game Masters) amd of course CSR's (Customer Service REpresentatives): all are equally needed to help everythig run smoother. However, why are there no GL's to help and assist players in-game? Since the GL departure, the more experienced players in the community have "filled in" the spot and have been committing their time to assist players in need. However, as with GL's and CL's, they also volunteer the time necessary to do this; but they cannot be in-game all the time.

With that being said, I am asking all of the commmunity: do you think the GL's should make a return to Fiesta? Would it help overall?

[drigr_x]

Same thing twice? O.O But yeah. It would be nice to have someone DEDICATED to this kind of stuff. But I think they were removed from people abusing their powers. Not sure.

[gigibunny]

faillll to posting the same thing twice xD

but good point... I think...wait...which point? OO

yesss ..I think it was bringing...err..having GL's again? xD I am sorry..exhausted and trying to understand it...x.x

but yes...to..sleeping!! I mean...nooo I mean...bringing GL's back..now.. time to zzzZZZZzzz

[windrider07]

Hehe yea, my bad to posting the same thing twice....I fixed it up ^^

But anyhow discuss what you think :)

[Roseanna]

I was just thinking about this, actually. I think the GLs sort of fizzled out after Nei got in trouble for warping people into fail KQs, but, I'm not sure on that. I do miss them, they were cool.

[zizzister]

I highly agree with you windrider. Everyday in Roumen, Elderine and Uruga I see spammers every single day(and I am sure everyone has). My block list is overloading a lot faster obviously meaning the spammers are getting more aggressive than ever and the Outspark staff is trying their best to resolve this issue. Lets bring back the GLs! GLs come on down, you are the next heroes for Fiesta XD

[ShonenHero]

I`m sorry, but I think that giving powers like those to players (Meaning, people who are in the same position as the other players, and not Outspark employees) was a big mistake that should not be repeated, no matter how reliable they appear to be

It`s very different from being a CL (Which is a fancy term for Forum Mod, a job that can effectively be given to a responsible member of the community with a good criteria, like the ones we already have) since the problems that can arise from misuse of their powers are far greater. GLs dissappeared for a reason, and it wasn`t the fault of only one of them (I`m not saying all of them made mistakes, I`m saying they weren`t wiped out just because one of them messed up)

You can`t ask them to be professional, because it`s not a profession, and since they`re not Outspark employees, the action that the company can take against them in case they abuse their powers, is very little.

I do agree that some matters in the game should be taken care of more effectively (Even though spam bots doesn`t sound like a good example to me, they are never ending and can be blocked with a flick of your thinger) but I don`t think that giving GM-ish powers to a player that volunteers is the solution for them

[Chaola]

I agree with Neo.

Just increase the number of the OS staff, and get some people dedicated to players in the games.

[apokolypse]

GL Nei was cool. I was one of the people he warped into a Honeying KQ ;-; hope it wasn't because of that D:

[angelofdeath1231]

I`m sorry, but I think that giving powers like those to players (Meaning, people who are in the same position as the other players, and not Outspark employees) was a big mistake that should not be repeated, no matter how reliable they appear to be

It`s very different from being a CL (Which is a fancy term for Forum Mod, a job that can effectively be given to a responsible member of the community with a good criteria, like the ones we already have) since the problems that can arise from misuse of their powers are far greater. GLs dissappeared for a reason, and it wasn`t the fault of only one of them (I`m not saying all of them made mistakes, I`m saying they weren`t wiped out just because one of them messed up)

You can`t ask them to be professional, because it`s not a profession, and since they`re not Outspark employees, the action that the company can take against them in case they abuse their powers, is very little.

I do agree that some matters in the game should be taken care of more effectively (Even though spam bots doesn`t sound like a good example to me, they are never ending and can be blocked with a flick of your thinger) but I don`t think that giving GM-ish powers to a player that volunteers is the solution for them

Sorry but they can give them to power to just put them in jail and thats all they dont hAVE TO GIVE THEM ALL THE POWER JUST THE POWER TO PUT THE SPAMMERS IN JAIL sorry about the caps

[TheCentrix]

I`m sorry, but I think that giving powers like those to players (Meaning, people who are in the same position as the other players, and not Outspark employees) was a big mistake that should not be repeated, no matter how reliable they appear to be

It`s very different from being a CL (Which is a fancy term for Forum Mod, a job that can effectively be given to a responsible member of the community with a good criteria, like the ones we already have) since the problems that can arise from misuse of their powers are far greater. GLs dissappeared for a reason, and it wasn`t the fault of only one of them (I`m not saying all of them made mistakes, I`m saying they weren`t wiped out just because one of them messed up)

You can`t ask them to be professional, because it`s not a profession, and since they`re not Outspark employees, the action that the company can take against them in case they abuse their powers, is very little.

I do agree that some matters in the game should be taken care of more effectively (Even though spam bots doesn`t sound like a good example to me, they are never ending and can be blocked with a flick of your thinger) but I don`t think that giving GM-ish powers to a player that volunteers is the solution for them

I have to disagree. They weren't just random players. They were people monitored by Outspark for months and months and Outspark picked them out because they knew they could have the responsibility. They also had to sign a confidentiality agreement, just like CLs do, so they cant just create havoc all over the place.

Outspark could prosecute them if they do things that are really bad and break the agreement in more ways than one.

[darthnish]

i liked the chic who would pop in fbz1 randomly with the hammer and go nuts.

[andrey1990]

i liked the chic who would pop in fbz1 randomly with the hammer and go nuts.

hahaha same

[kyrarose]

I heard they got rid of the jail? Confirmation please :3

As for the topic, I remember a time where spambots were in every corner of Roumen and in the spaces in the middle, while Eldy had the odd corner filled, and they all only ever whispered you. Now? All three towns, (I've yet to go to AR so can't confirm any there) have them and not only do they /w you they say it in chat too. Openly. A few times with a GM in town. I know that getting anyone part of the OS team to sit in and remove these spammers isn't going to wipe the problem, just like any game really you'll always have them, but they were few and far after getting out of Roumen. Yes, blocking them is easy, but isn't the block list limited to the same amount of people as the friends list? 50 people on it? I wiped my BL only a few weeks ago just to add a new one and to get rid of old names that were no longer IG. I'm already just about to cap it again. I checked it not a few days ago, and they were all online. Every last spammer. And I only had perhaps two players on it that weren't these bots. Even if the problem can never be wiped having someone around who actually removes them helps. It did before, I can't see why not now.

I wasn't around when they removed GL's, must've been in my time of absence, so I don't know what or why they were removed in the first place, I have no comment to that nor to the original posing question of bringing them back.
Course, I'd happily fill a form in to do at least this one duty, removing current spambots and continuing to do so. But, never gonna happen XD

[saiyou8]

GL's should be brought back or GM's should be more online and active.
Yesterday I was in Roumen, Silky was at Remi, a spammer spawned there but nothing happened since Silky was afk. ._.;
The spammer was like next to him Dx

[gigibunny]

I heard they got rid of the jail? Confirmation please :3

As for the topic, I remember a time where spambots were in every corner of Roumen and in the spaces in the middle, while Eldy had the odd corner filled, and they all only ever whispered you. Now? All three towns, (I've yet to go to AR so can't confirm any there) have them and not only do they /w you they say it in chat too. Openly. A few times with a GM in town. I know that getting anyone part of the OS team to sit in and remove these spammers isn't going to wipe the problem, just like any game really you'll always have them, but they were few and far after getting out of Roumen. Yes, blocking them is easy, but isn't the block list limited to the same amount of people as the friends list? 50 people on it? I wiped my BL only a few weeks ago just to add a new one and to get rid of old names that were no longer IG. I'm already just about to cap it again. I checked it not a few days ago, and they were all online. Every last spammer. And I only had perhaps two players on it that weren't these bots. Even if the problem can never be wiped having someone around who actually removes them helps. It did before, I can't see why not now.

I wasn't around when they removed GL's, must've been in my time of absence, so I don't know what or why they were removed in the first place, I have no comment to that nor to the original posing question of bringing them back.
Course, I'd happily fill a form in to do at least this one duty, removing current spambots and continuing to do so. But, never gonna happen XD

Hmm good post...so you think GL's should be brought back then? I have to admit on the above post, that there was absoulte craziness at the opening of Cypion and one good thing was: no spammers as you bounced into Roumen =D woot!!

If I am not mistaken, one question was: should the GL's be brought back? I believe that GL's get the proper training and are not given a title such as that and then thrown into the game.

The game was glitchy last night..it happens...whole bunch of people got stuck in KKP after it ended...

I see people who need help in Roumen...sometimes I do have time to help them.. or in Elderine...

the point I am trying to make is: I believe that the GL's did in fact help the community: when will it be time to bring them back?

[WolfAngel9414]

I think the GL's should be brought back with very limited powers. =/ Banning spammers/jailing those abusing others/etc, but stuff like warping people into KQ's and all that, no...

The hammer in FBZ was useful during the Christmas thing, and it'd be useful if there was a lot of vulgarity goin' on, but other than that no. We need more moderation in game, but not sticking normal players with GM level authority.

[kyrarose]

Hmm good post...so you think GL's should be brought back then? I have to admit on the above post, that there was absoulte craziness at the opening of Cypion and one good thing was: no spammers as you bounced into Roumen =D woot!!

If I am not mistaken, one question was: should the GL's be brought back? I believe that GL's get the proper training and are not given a title such as that and then thrown into the game.

The game was glitchy last night..it happens...whole bunch of people got stuck in KKP after it ended...

I see people who need help in Roumen...sometimes I do have time to help them.. or in Elderine...

the point I am trying to make is: I believe that the GL's did in fact help the community: when will it be time to bring them back?

To answer the question in some indrect yet direct manner. I think that there should be a team who dealt directly with these issues, such as spambots and who help the players, just as the GL's did. I think though if they'd had proper training they would still be here? As I said I don't know the reasons behind their disappearance into extinction, all I know and will say is they were a positive part of the community and bringing them back or some form of GL's back is a good idea, especially if it helps bring some positive outlooks on the game and on OutSpark too (though they have to do more than just that to get some of the lost positivity back).

[ras-blackfire]

lol >.> i never noticed any difrent... so i don't realy mind =/

[cercia]

As someone who played before and after the GL "Banishment," here is what I have to say:

Most of the GLs I dealt with were quite friendly. They knew they didn't have to log on, they enjoyed interacting with people, and caused all sorts of "trouble" ("mischief" is probably a better word) that made the game more interesting. They were great people, who spent time giving out free Endures, warping stuck people, starting Fight a Boss events, and keeping the peace. Great people.

I miss the GLs, but also realize that some of the things they did are no longer particularly unique (high level buffs, being level 100) so some of the novelty is gone.

I'd love to see them come back, with the following abilities:
1) Spawn mobs - particularly KQ bosses
2) Teleport people from one spot in map A to another spot in map A
3) Disconnect people (bots, mainly)
4) Endure, regardless of the GL character's class


But, the time and effort required for such a person would most likely be better spent training new GMs.

[Kuydo]

I have to disagree. They weren't just random players. They were people monitored by Outspark for months and months and Outspark picked them out because they knew they could have the responsibility. They also had to sign a confidentiality agreement, just like CLs do, so they cant just create havoc all over the place.

Outspark could prosecute them if they do things that are really bad and break the agreement in more ways than one.

No, I believe Neo makes a very valid point in his post. Even when monitored over time you can never truly know a person behind a character, a depressing reality but reality all the same. There's little standing in the way of potential abuse do to there being no real gain in the matter, confidentiality agreement or not. I am not aware of what happened to the past GL system to get it dissolved, but if it's gone now then there surely is a valid reason behind it.

In short, and to avoid echoing what everyone else has already said, I disagree with the GL system being brought back.