Why is outspark deducting the sparkcash on the race?

[lexxandra]

I don't get it. Why are they doing this? And I heard it's deducting by each hour. If that's true,how much by each hour? o.O Isn't that unfair to do that? Please explain.

[Roseanna]

It deducts by each hour even when there's maintenance, if I remember correctly. We don't know by how much yet.

Ya really think they want to give out $1400 USD worth of sparkcash to 3 people? Nah. They had to find some way to give the top 3 less than that, and they knew nobody could cap in a month. We'll be lucky if any of the top people can push 90-105 in a month. I personally wonder how much of the sparkcash prize will even be left by the time someone caps. But eh... we'll see.

[spookyiness]

it's obviously to encourage people to actually cap as fast as humanly possible, which involves the purchase of more sc items to aid that.
which makes it the perfect marketing plan

otherwise, people would just level fast enough to keep ahead, rather than actually race.

[Roseanna]

Yeah, even with the "encouragement" to race, I see more and more people saying the heck with this I need to win at life/college/work/social life/my family/finances/[insert more important thing than Fiesta here] more. I think we'll see a lot of people getting to 8x/9x and quitting. I know I'm 84 and Sky and I are like you know what, I'm getting tired of this. Too many levels too fast, too much time spent, too many other things that we need to tend to. You know? Just getting burnt out.

And I betcha Outspark had this all figured out from the start. We've all been saying it... it's a way for them to get a bunch of people to spend more than the $4200 total prize on Cyp and have to actually reward people with way less than that. Marketing ploy, we all saw it comin.

[devin_nicolai]

I don't get it. Why are they doing this? And I heard it's deducting by each hour. If that's true,how much by each hour? o.O Isn't that unfair to do that? Please explain.

Because you dont read the rules.

[HassanChop]

Well can't hurt them for trying to get you to spend some more money on their failing game =[. So many updates need to be done to keep this game in check and current it's not even funny. I still have over $1000 dollars of SC items sitting on my account in bag but I have no use for them. Every time I start up the game I want to hurl. But none the less friends still play and it's the only way I get to say Hi to them every couple months.

[LucyLastik]

Can't believe some of you guys have taken so long to catch on the OS strategy. It was pretty obvious from the very start.

[badfury]

Dude look at her join date >.> she only join like a month ago.

[ras-blackfire]

they do it becouse ppl will lvl faster =D and OS themself lose less money XD

[Roseanna]

Dude look at her join date >.> she only join like a month ago.
3 months but still maybe not long enough to get an idea for how truly greedy Outspark can be. xD

[kento189]

Actually, OS gets more money than they spend... Looking at how many people that'll probably buy SC just to try and cap.

[Hemmes]

Its called marketing ^_^
Make it look like its actually possible to earn a million spark cash (even "up for grabs") while im pretty sure its not (humanly) possible to do so.
Is it right? nope
Is it smart marketing? Yesh

[thalegend7695]

Can't I just pay OS the self-labor/money I'd pay on sc items and they give me a lvl 105 =P?

[leobaloy]

They stated the rules before the race even began. So its your own fault if you're not aware :/

[adma4ss0]

They stated the rules before the race even began. So its your own fault if you're not aware :/

If I remeber correctly, about 3 days into the race is when they announced that Sparkcash will be deducted.

By 3 days, people were probably level 60 and didn't want to give up >.> lol

[Andromeda]

Actually, OS gets more money than they spend... Looking at how many people that'll probably buy SC just to try and cap.

Theoretically OS don't spend any money giving out Spark Cash since its just virtual currency used on the site. Outspark have nothing to lose by giving out SC like this.

[Roseanna]

Well, if those 3 winners are careful and stretch their sparkcash out over like... the next 2 or 3 years, they'll lose 3 active customers. xD But there's so many more customers that they won't care and I bet a few of them will blow half of it on charms and go crazy in fbz and enhancing everything they've got and such. I know I'd get iron cases for all my characters, +9 my characters gears, etc but also try to be careful and stretch it out long-term. Not like it matters, I definitely won't be winning anything anyways. :p

[lexxandra]

Dude look at her join date >.> she only join like a month ago.

>.> Actually,I've been on and off on this game since 07. Just never cared to read about the Cypion race rules. But I was also confused on why they did this.

[lexxandra]

By the way,I feel kind of bad for the people who are doing this race. :/ I mean if they wanna do it,it's their choice. Some people are in the 9x's and who knows how long it takes to even get to 100-105. :(

And to people who keep saying. "Oh you weren't aware,read the rules." I was assuming that outspark is doing it for marketing reasons but I didn't officially get the whole thing on why'd they do it. But now that people have explained to me a lot. I thank you all. ^^

[drigr_x]

Can't I just pay OS the self-labor/money I'd pay on sc items and they give me a lvl 105 =P?

I'm sorry to annouce that they have yet to release the new "Instant Cap" item in the cash Shop. However, it will cost you your life savings and put you in debt for 3.6 years.:p:p:p

[ajayyyy]

Cause they're greedy.

[rekselric43]

but whats the point? i mean isnt the road to getting to 105 the main reason of the game? we're suppose to enjoy to moments of the game till we cap. aft the 3 winners get their prize sc.. what are they gonna do wit it? they already cap and "beat the game" in a sense..

are they gonna make a new char and play all over again? @_@

[josephm123456]

I would deffinitly start a new char if i got 1 mill sc >.>

[redone111]

Motivation to level quicker?

[Stacey]

Honestly, this race feels like a scam.

Those top three will work long and hard and probably spend a lot of money trying to get there.

Shouldn't they get full rewards for their hard work? They deserve it. Those long hours of trying to lvl are worth more than one million sc.

Oh, OS. It's marketing ideas like these that make your costumers believe that you are greedy! It's things like these that make us lose faith in you.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

Honestly, this race feels like a scam.

Those top three will work long and hard and probably spend a lot of money trying to get there.

Shouldn't they get full rewards for their hard work? They deserve it. Those long hours of trying to lvl are worth more than one million sc.

Oh, OS. It's marketing ideas like these that make your costumers believe that you are greedy! It's things like these that make us lose faith in you.


I second this ._. http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/Onion_Emoticons/054_.gif


The day someone gets that one million SC will be the day pigs fly ._.!

[YoshimaruOrona]

Honestly, this race feels like a scam.

Those top three will work long and hard and probably spend a lot of money trying to get there.

Shouldn't they get full rewards for their hard work? They deserve it. Those long hours of trying to lvl are worth more than one million sc.

Oh, OS. It's marketing ideas like these that make your costumers believe that you are greedy! It's things like these that make us lose faith in you.

I third this =/

[Stacey]

I appreciate the support, guys. ^^

Thanks :D

[redone111]

Honestly, this race feels like a scam.

Those top three will work long and hard and probably spend a lot of money trying to get there.

Shouldn't they get full rewards for their hard work? They deserve it. Those long hours of trying to lvl are worth more than one million sc.

Oh, OS. It's marketing ideas like these that make your costumers believe that you are greedy! It's things like these that make us lose faith in you.

I havent lost much faith, not much remaining, i sadly fourth this .____.

[cualz]

geez people ~_~ ... "scamed" ?? lol Idk but I can say I knew I whoudn't reach the cap,
My point is you wasted the SC ... Outspark had the timelimit better reach it or you wont get it and stop saying stuff I fell scamed ... - -! deal with it I just play for fun like I said many times before :3 Thats what I think ~

[Stacey]

geez people ~_~ ... "scamed" ?? lol Idk but I can say I knew I whoudn't reach the cap,
My point is you wasted the SC ... Outspark had the timelimit better reach it or you wont get it and stop saying stuff I fell scamed ... - -! deal with it I just play for fun like I said many times before :3 Thats what I think ~

You are entitled to your opinion.

Technically in my eyes, it is a scam. I'm not sure you know how hard lvling really is. If you are still in the lower lvls, you will find that it is easy. It is when you start getting to the lvl 50s, 60s, 70s and such that lvling becomes a pain. I played lot, but it took me one year to finally reach lvl 60.

Now, think how much more to the ones who really worked their butts off to earn this prize. They strived through those pain-staking lvls, and they might've spent a lot of SC to get there. Those Top Three deserve the full reward. Therefore, they should get it.

Many of us believe that OS just wants money, because of some of the things they do. This is an example. I feel it is ripping off those players who have put a lot of effort into capping.

Unless one of the OS staff comes in here and gives us a valid reason (besides that they need the money), I will continue to believe this event is a scam. Unless they can prove that their profits really are down (which I doubt), I will continue to stick with my opinion.

Edit: Yes, the people in this race have the right to spend all the SC they want to help them reach the cap. As a thanks for spending perhaps a lot of SC, the least OS can do is give the top three their full reward.

Most of us play for fun, too. And I don't enjoy what some may call "bashing" on the staff.
But I feel that they should be aware that this event is causing a lot controversy.

P.S. I am not running this race, if you think this is the reason my little rant. As I said before to those running, please put your health and other important priorities such as school and work first. :D
:)

[spookyiness]

it's not a scam
a scam would be to mislead someone, or not pay up when the time comes

everyone who chooses to participate is doing so based on their personal choice, and they know full well what the rules are and that the prize will shrink over time.

it's their choice to race
just like it's my choice not to

why are there so many negative threads about this - oo, it's a bad thing, etc - rather then happy encouraging threads urging people on, offering support, or just saying something nice? is it because you've found out the winner can't gift anything with it so what's the point in sucking up?

there are people who are actively seeking the win, and there are people that are up there in the same high levels who are just levelling that fast, and could care less.

they choose to buy sc to help them get there fast, or they choose to try the non-sc route, or they just are fast levellers (the high level people don't really have to fight for space after all) - they know they score, they know the prize changes, it's their choice

i personally wish them all the best. i'm sure there are people who have spent more than the leaders on cypion already without even making it to the second job change yet, why aren't we all persecuting them as well? or isn't that such an easy target for making anti-threads

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

geez people ~_~ ... "scamed" ?? lol Idk but I can say I knew I whoudn't reach the cap,
My point is you wasted the SC ... Outspark had the timelimit better reach it or you wont get it and stop saying stuff I fell scamed ... - -! deal with it I just play for fun like I said many times before :3 Thats what I think ~

And I totally have the utmost respect for you,


I mean come on 8X in that little time

Lol XD I would worship you if i could http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/Onion_Emoticons/052_.gif

and no, no sarcasm intended

[lordalden]

You are entitled to your opinion.

Technically in my eyes, it is a scam. I'm not sure you know how hard lvling really is. If you are still in the lower lvls, you will find that it is easy. It is when you start getting to the lvl 50s, 60s, 70s and such that lvling becomes a pain. I played lot, but it took me one year to finally reach lvl 60.

Now, think how much more to the ones who really worked their butts off to earn this prize. They strived through those pain-staking lvls, and they might've spent a lot of SC to get there. Those Top Three deserve the full reward. Therefore, they should get it.

Many of us believe that OS just wants money, because of some of the things they do. This is an example. I feel it is ripping off those players who have put a lot of effort into capping.

Unless one of the OS staff comes in here and gives us a valid reason (besides that they need the money), I will continue to believe this event is a scam. Unless they can prove that their profits really are down (which I doubt), I will continue to stick with my opinion.

Edit: Yes, the people in this race have the right to spend all the SC they want to help them reach the cap. As a thanks for spending perhaps a lot of SC, the least OS can do is give the top three their full reward.

Most of us play for fun, too. And I don't enjoy what some may call "bashing" on the staff.
But I feel that they should be aware that this event is causing a lot controversy.

P.S. I am not running this race, if you think this is the reason my little rant. As I said before to those running, please put your health and other important priorities such as school and work first. :D
:)



Although generally I tend to stay away from these threads until closure is needed(mostly because I tend to get flamed/trolled, and I dislike being the center reason for a closure), I would like to say a couple things here. What I'm about to say is from my own point of view and may not necessarily reflect the views of Outspark, it's employee's, nor it's affiliates, but represent my own thoughts on the matter.

Saying someone is entitled to their opinion and then trying to persuade them into your own viewpoint by explaining it in further detail is the same as saying "I disagree think what I am". No offense but I find it a very shadowy practice.

First things first. I'm not saying I have reservations about the event, but I'm not going to post that. That's a matter between myself and my concerned inquiries to Outspark. Rather, I will say this:

The players who are choosing to be on the maximum amount of time as possible to try and earn this reward are doing so under their own decision. I very much dislike the negative propoganda being brought against Outspark wrongly in this manner.

You can say temptation has something to do with it but you can't be tempted unless you want to be, so I'd like to try and encourage you to not blame Outspark for individual decision as that's merely blame shifting, something that gets nothing done. Saying it was a bad idea as it gives players the wrong impression is another matter altogether.

Onto the OS only wants money thing. A business needs money to continue, but there's another thing too. The only thing they(Outspark) get criticized on are their mistakes.

In all the threads I've seen that's all that get's addressed. There's never recognition for what they have done for the players, how they run events, or how they personally investigate into matters, even if the end result is not to satisfaction.

My question here is: Why do you seek only to place blame when there are thanks to be given to? This seems like a practice of personal convenience to me and I again feel it's fairly dishonest and spreads propoganda.

I'm not going to say they've been without mis-steps or mistakes, I'm not a liar. But I'm not going to overlook the good they've done in the name of the bad either, as that's basically telling lies too. I'm wondering what's provoking this type of thought process, and I'm actually curious if anyone has submitted support tickets with feedback regarding this particular event.

Calling it a scam is semi-dishonest too unless within the next day or two, or right before anyone caps it's announced there is no prize. This again seems like an arguement of convenience because it hasn't happened yet but theorizing only serves to help your case here.

Also, I understand your concern. My discussion here is not intended to offend in the least bit. I want to understand your viewpoint a bit better and hopefully make a couple things that seem blurred more clear. I also can't help but feel that posting this in the Cypion section(despite relevance) is less useful than simply submitting a CSR ticket regarding your concerns.

True, this allows for discussing them, and true, the Staff has most likely seen this thread and/or are tracking it, but in most realistic scenario's submitting a ticket would give more due consideration to your concerns for the most part.

[drigr_x]

I'm not if this has been said yet but... OS didn't HAVE to offer ANYTHING for anyone on the new server. They could've just simply opened it and said, "There ya go, new server, have fun."

[yaseeda]

Well time limit for race not scam actually, its not "race" if prize not decreasing when time limit passed. Its possible to hit 105 in 2 years of regular play or half year for active sc user, but what point giving prize to person who didnt put any effort into wining race and just slowly played getting 1 lvl per day and hit 105 in half year ._."

What bugs me> did outspark really check if its possible to hit 105 in month? If thats not possible, THEN race scam, because what they expect from winners cant be achieved in time limit they placed.

[Kyo_Sama]

Well time limit for race not scam actually, its not "race" if prize not decreasing when time limit passed. Its possible to hit 105 in 2 years of regular play or half year for active sc user, but what point giving prize to person who didnt put any effort into wining race and just slowly played getting 1 lvl per day and hit 105 in half year ._."

What bugs me> did outspark really check if its possible to hit 105 in month? If thats not possible, THEN race scam, because what they expect from winners cant be achieved in time limit they placed.


Knowing full well something isnt probable in a time frame thats given isnt a scam. Lets also not that they are still getting rewarded too. Onto the next part

1. Is it probable to go from 1-105 in a month using SC sure, is it likely to occur No.
2. Should the players have that 1mil sc prize deducted sure, IF the claim was get 105 before the month is and win 1 mil sc then theirs no one to blame but the players for violating the terms of the agreement, as such the reward will shrink. Much like a job, as you do less for the company the less profit they see. Full profit is only seen when you exceed the set expectations.

And finally i dont see why everyone is complaining and shouting scam at a voluntary act. Last i check SC wasnt required to play, it enhances gameplay no doubt but never once did they force you to buy it. All in all i think a vast majority of the complaints over this are unwarranted.

My deepest sympathies to the players who succeed though, you will no doubt be labeled unjustly by people who dont know you for your devotion to the game, both physically and mentally.

[tempacc]

Its called marketing ^_^
Make it look like its actually possible to earn a million spark cash (even "up for grabs") while im pretty sure its not (humanly) possible to do so.
Is it right? nope
Is it smart marketing? Yesh

Smarketing.

[yaseeda]

Ok maybe hiting 105 in month possible, but thats if:
1) Always wearing teva + exp boost + have charms for dangerous cases
2) Have gears enchanced
3) this one most important one. >play 24/7<. No human being can play 24/7, so only account sharers can do this. Account sharing forbidden.

So outspark made race that can be won only by rules violators? O_O
lolz

[Hemmes]

Oh its not a scam, its just misleading.


Just a thought: If your lvl 105 and your the only one...what are you gonna do with 1000000 spark cash? Wait for the next cap? Make new characters AGAIN? Its like winning the lotery. Very few ppl actually become happy after winning cause they are going to do all this crazy stuff just because they can.

[cualz]

ugh you got a timelimit think over it before starting -.-" then after you started use sc without thinking...and then you say OS did wrong???

NO its no human being can play 24/7 its insane >.< but when I think about YamYam whould problety reached it "if" he had sc stuff

But I still dont think OS did wrong ... I mean they had a timelimit from the begining and some of you say it took a long time for you to reach a certain level.... Some of us play more... some of us know how to level fast with or without SC too

I think 1-60 is easy takes like 3-5 days to reach it if you play 8-10 hours ea day
at least with Cualz I reached 40 in 1 day and 60 in 4 days but not to show off
I got 80 in 19 days I played alot ^^ but now I quited my mage, I will start play a archer insteed

Peace! :D

[Kyo_Sama]

Ok maybe hiting 105 in month possible, but thats if:
1) Always wearing teva + exp boost + have charms for dangerous cases
2) Have gears enchanced
3) this one most important one. >play 24/7<. No human being can play 24/7, so only account sharers can do this. Account sharing forbidden.

So outspark made race that can be won only by rules violators? O_O
lolz

1) Your point is ?
2) Again your point is ?
3) Flawed, you dont have to play 24/7, nor do they expect you too. The point being here is if you go fast enough you can grind in an area above your level that + the SC you put in will enable you to reach 105. Its entirely probable, just unlikely.

4. To address your concern about rule breakers... Outspark is monitoring the logs of the event, Until i see you wearing a GM badge you shouldnt even care.

[omnipotentnicky]

Dude look at her join date >.> she only join like a month ago.


March '09 to June '09 equals one month? xD
Nice. Anyway, yeah.
Laaame competition. xP

Much respect to everyone that tried, though.

[Hemmes]

1) Your point is ?
2) Again your point is ?
3) Flawed, you dont have to play 24/7, nor do they expect you too. The point being here is if you go fast enough you can grind in an area above your level that + the SC you put in will enable you to reach 105. Its entirely probable, just unlikely.

4. To address your concern about rule breakers... Outspark is monitoring the logs of the event, Until i see you wearing a GM badge you shouldnt even care.

You really think its possible to get 105 in a month?
I think not. Outspark wouldnt take the risk of actually having to ''pay'' a million spark cash.

[Saruin]

Pay? What are they paying? It's imaginary sparkcash, useful in the game and only in the game.

[Kyo_Sama]

You really think its possible to get 105 in a month?
I think not. Outspark wouldnt take the risk of actually having to 'pay' a million spark cash.

it is probable do the math. is it likely no.

105/30 = 3.5 lvls a day avg.

check the exp per level, you can easily do 1-60 in 4-5 days, that puts you ahead of the game by alot.

that leaves you 61-105 which is 44 levels... 44/25 = 1.75 levels a day.

Its possible to do it, just depends on the person and thier dedication ./ amount of SC invested.

[Tamlinari]

Like a lot of other people are already saying, it was rigged from the very start.
They already have all of the numbers there at Outspark of every single potential winner and they can calculate how rapidly those people can level.
Do a little math equation on those numbers and you can figure out approximately how long to set the count down timer.

Even if they manage to create a frenzy among those potential players who will no doubt spend a whole bunch of money on cash shop items the most they will likely win is about $100 worth of spark cash if even that much.
I guarantee that how ever much it is it will be a lot less than what they spent.

Like playing 3 card monty, the only real way to win is not to play.

[TwinBlade887]

Sadly, the 1,000,000 SC is being reduced by $0.50 US(350 SC) every hour. At this rate, players have just about 4 months until all the SparkCash is gone. D;

[Hemmes]

Pay? What are they paying? It's imaginary sparkcash, useful in the game and only in the game.

You see those ' around the word 'pay'? You know what, for you ill edit to double '.

Oh and errrm, its not that imaginary for ppl who spend hundreds of dollars on it.


it is probable do the math. is it likely no.

105/30 = 3.5 lvls a day avg.

check the exp per level, you can easily do 1-60 in 4-5 days, that puts you ahead of the game by alot.

that leaves you 61-105 which is 44 levels... 44/25 = 1.75 levels a day.

Its possible to do it, just depends on the person and thier dedication ./ amount of SC invested.

I havent got a clue about how tough it is to go from 100-105 so i couldnt tell. I do know that there are some pretty hardcore Fiesta players. And if none of them makes it, its highly improbable. I still think Outspark wouldnt take the risk. What point would there be to deducting the SC then?

[Stacey]

You see those ' around the word 'pay'? You know what, for you ill edit to double '.

Oh and errrm, its not that imaginary for ppl who spend hundreds of dollars on it.



I havent got a clue about how tough it is to go from 100-105 so i couldnt tell. I do know that there are some pretty hardcore Fiesta players. And if none of them makes it, its highly improbable. I still think Outspark wouldnt take the risk. What point would there be to deducting the SC then?

That's what I want to know, too.

I'll call this event what ever I please.

[speed_grapher]

Clearly most people are idiots to have waste sc on a race you can't win


im still waiting for the lawsuits against outspark for the people that only slept 4 hours a
night ish for over a month XD

[master_roxxor]

Lol, I wouldn't be surprised if Outspark had connections with Maruchan Ramen (ramen instant noodle company) and told them to expect sales to go up a little at the beginning of the race. xD

[jordan-808]

Because their greedy...

[lexxandra]

This thread hasn't been active since the 1st...But I have to ask a 'stupid' question. xD
Isn't sparkcash imaginary,Like,It's pretty much useless unless you are using it for this game and others? Why would outspark have to deduct it...Can't they just magically make the sparkcash without having to spend money..:|

[Tamlinari]

This thread hasn't been active since the 1st...But I have to ask a 'stupid' question. xD
Isn't sparkcash imaginary,Like,It's pretty much useless unless you are using it for this game and others? Why would outspark have to deduct it...Can't they just magically make the sparkcash without having to spend money..:|

Sure they can but in giving out a whole bunch to a person would cause them to lose spark cash sales from that person.

Quite frankly I don't know who is running the cash shop at this time (I do have my suspicions) but whoever it is has a really deeply entrenched sense greed and a greed based method of conducting business and most players are beginning to recognize that now and they are not liking it at all.
It is all about money, money, money and forget whether the players are having a good time or not.