Clerics stop whining!

[vietoq]

Quit your whining.. omg, you make our class looks bad -_-
you are a cleric! your job is to HEAL! don't need anyone else to say "heal" "buff" "res". if you are asked to do that, you are a BAD cleric and should just go solo all your life, dont accept party invite and try to avoid ppl in general!

ppl outside your party, ok, i understand that they have to be polite and all coz u dont have any business with them. but in party? it is YOUR DUTY to do all those! if you want to do other, choose other class! or no party!

annoyed at being asked to buff? carry around a lvl 20 set of armors! dont use that huge shield! i'm sure no one will ask you to buff them, and even if there is, i'm sure its your friends on alt or whatever and you DONT want to disappoint them! i myself ALWAYS buff ppl when they ask in whisper (coz i almost always filter normal) i even use sp stones to buff ppl when im out of sp! i buff ppl in random while walking around field. i know that not all clerics can do that, and i respect their wishes not to help others around. but i've been lower lvl myself, and i know how appreciated it is when someone buff me, so i help others coz others has helped me before.

so stop your whining, and go change class or do solo if you dont like it! clerics are the support class in this game, and you should do just that. clerics is in the heart, when you dont have the heart to play a cleric, you wont be a good cleric.

vToqZ
lvl 52 Cleric
Apoline

[Nerria]

vT where the hell have you been? I don't see you online anymore xD

Oh, and for arguments sake, FRIEND (:)), other classes whine too. Look at Mages and Archers.

[vietoq]

ner! :D i'm doing my research paper atm so i don't really play on vToqZ for the time being..

well, others whine too, but i dont see them refusing to do their job.. well maybe DD fighter who dont want to tank.. but still, i just dont like how clerics refuse to heal/res where it is their class purpose to do just that. and i see new topic on this every time i open forum :mad:

[vietoq]

Oh and i forgot one more thing that seems to be very important..

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE.. (on the stop whining part that is..)

[Gravvi]

I agree vietoq. I have had many times where the cleric refuses to do something. I can understand if no stones or something. But if i ask for one with my archer i get the response "F**** Off Noob" I mean just a simple no would be sufficient. I have a cleric as well and yes if i see someone needs a boost i buff them with what i have. DOn't let them rot. Because if u make a new character you might need a buff from them and they are not going to do it. But yes i agree with the stop whining.

[Run34]

only thing that annoys me, and mostly me friend, is some people are so whiny for a cleric buff... she has like 5 orcs on her, just used invic... losing hp pretty fast... but not too fast that she can't outheal the damage on her and get a few good hits.. then someone comes up, buff plz... buff plz... buff noob.. it's happened to her twice.. one person started ksing her cause she couldn't buff them right then... so.. stupid people like that..
LEARN WHAT PATIENCE IS.

[DrowMistress]

Finally someone who I can not argue with. I hate having to tell ther cleris to stop thier shining because they don't like being clerics. There are rude people out there who yell at you for not healing fast enough or demand things when you have your hands full, but that's no reason to get all cranky about your job. -.- I'm a cleric because I LIKE healing people. I heal people randomly and am happy every time soneone thanks me. If I could do othr than party buffs on people, I would.

Thank you. ^^

[Leedles]

Eeewww ... I HATE it when people are obnoxious and pushy for buffs ... and I'm not even a cleric! My friend and I waited for a buff for over a minute - did I mind, heck no! My friend helped the other cleric along by healing her while she took out the three or four orcs she was working on.

In another incident we had asked for a buff and waited, my friend helping. Someone else came over and pretty much demanded a buff and was being really pushy. Pissed me off - wanted to tell them to chill out while she finished with what she was doing. Silly pushy obnoxious people -.-

Of course, my friend and I hit 47 last night ... so I guess she'll be the one people are being pushy to soon. They better be patient or expect me to tell them to chill :P LOL!

I also hate it when people refuse to do their job, any class they happen to be. I will not party with people who refuse to do their job. I'm a fighter, therefore I'm tank. Whether I'm main or secondary tank, it is still my duty as a fighter to protect the squishies and our lovely clerics. Irritates the heck out of me when I hear of fighters not doing their job, so I understand how it's frustrating to you too when you hear about clerics not doing their job.

Good post Toq :D Can't wait for you to be back with us!!!

[Semaj]

if a cleric refuses to heal, buff, or rez their party mates the party should just kick him/her and find another. clerics are a dime a dozen, though a good cleric is harder to find.

if your not in the clerics party and they refuse to buff, heal or rez then thats up to them. but party is a whole different cake. also, thats assuming the fighter is doing their job of keeping the agro on himself. if the tank isnt doing their job or sharing drops the cleric should just leave.

[farard]

Quit your whining.. omg, you make our class looks bad -_-
you are a cleric! your job is to HEAL! don't need anyone else to say "heal" "buff" "res". if you are asked to do that, you are a BAD cleric and should just go solo all your life, dont accept party invite and try to avoid ppl in general!

No it is not our !JOB! to heal,res and buff that only applies if the cleric is in a party. If the cleric is soloing his "JOB" is to look after theirself first and foremost. If other players ask for help by using the magic word only to glad too.

[nerdzo]

farad pls read the second paragraph of the first post before posting. tyvm.

[farard]

first para was enough for me, too many clerics have a servile attitude, we are not here to be servants to other classes but HELPERS. if you think your lot in life is to serve other ppl, go wait on tables at nearest fast food joint

[nerdzo]

in ur post u said that it only applies if its in the same party. that wad the threadstarter said too "


ppl outside your party, ok, i understand that they have to be polite and all coz u dont have any business with them. but in party? it is YOUR DUTY to do all those! if you want to do other, choose other class! or no party!

"
and that's why i say, READ THE 2ND PARAGRAPH.

[vietoq]

Thanks nerdzo, obviously another cleric who can only whine without knowing the whole situation..

[kreborn]

^_^well we are clerics so...

so...

so...

>_<

we are ^_^ (can't think of anything to say)

[farard]

no some of us are "CLERICS" you on the other hand are just a gofo, or a servant, we
TRUE CLERICS have a legitimate reason to be annoyed at the other classes, you on the other hand seem to except the the servile role you have been put into.

[vietoq]

i'm putting up this post exactly for ppl like you farard, its okay for being dumb and cannot read more than 1 paragraph of lines. i can sort of understand how reading can be very hard for some people. and it should be accept? not except? the only one who excepting their role as cleric on this thread is you :)

let me ask you one thing (oops 2nd paragraph, hope you can read this!) do you play solo? i surely hope so, i already feel sorry for the party you might be on..

[XelveX]

i'm putting up this post exactly for ppl like you farard, its okay for being dumb and cannot read more than 1 paragraph of lines. i can sort of understand how reading can be very hard for some people. and it should be accept? not except? the only one who excepting their role as cleric on this thread is you :)

let me ask you one thing (oops 2nd paragraph, hope you can read this!) do you play solo? i surely hope so, i already feel sorry for the party you might be on..

I feel sorry for every single party i go in to lol. I spam heal them and when I run out of SP i just sit there and rest, paying no attention, although I always invince the weakest person on the party =/

[farard]

vietoq stick to waiting on tables at burger king, probably more satisfying for mental outlook

[warkop]

well, im a cleric.. and i always try to do my job in a party.. BUT I just hate ppl especially fighter that go in the fast mode without letting the cleric rest at all... Everytime they look at their full HP (from our heal) they just go on to next group of mobs..

Well we spend much more pots/stone than the fighter because we cant let the fighter died. (Dead fighter = dead party). So at least give the cleric a little time to mushroom so they can get some of their sp back...

[Gravvi]

farard shut up and read, you are one of those who whine for no reason. If you read the clerics description it is our job to heal and buff, only if we are in a party. WE control life and death if you feel someone should die then let them die if you think they should live then heal them. And you are the person who all other parties hate. Your the person who thinks they are above the rest. Well your not. I am an archer so u know what i do i pull. I have a cleric also i don't have to heal but u know what its good to do it because you will one day probably make a cleric and you are going to run into someone who won't heal u and then you get mad. SO just chill

[Archaonn]

Some whine others don't, others are just total idiots.

[Game_Hermit]

Quit your whining.. omg, you make our class looks bad -_-
you are a cleric! your job is to HEAL! don't need anyone else to say "heal" "buff" "res". if you are asked to do that, you are a BAD cleric and should just go solo all your life, dont accept party invite and try to avoid ppl in general!

You've clearly never been a cleric then, because people tell us what to do even when we're already doing it or even when it's impossible. I've actually had one guy yelling at me to do one thing and another yelling at me to do the opposite. No matter what you do the idiots will boss you around and yell at you. It has nothing to do with how well you're actually playing.

ppl outside your party, ok, i understand that they have to be polite and all coz u dont have any business with them. but in party? it is YOUR DUTY to do all those! if you want to do other, choose other class! or no party!

Unless somebody is rude with you first, there's no reason not to be polite to them, especially if they're in your party. When i ask the tank to set the loot to sequential i use 'please' and 'thank you', because i wasn't raised in a f***ing barn. I expect the same in return.

annoyed at being asked to buff? carry around a lvl 20 set of armors! dont use that huge shield! i'm sure no one will ask you to buff them, and even if there is, i'm sure its your friends on alt or whatever and you DONT want to disappoint them! i myself ALWAYS buff ppl when they ask in whisper (coz i almost always filter normal) i even use sp stones to buff ppl when im out of sp! i buff ppl in random while walking around field. i know that not all clerics can do that, and i respect their wishes not to help others around. but i've been lower lvl myself, and i know how appreciated it is when someone buff me, so i help others coz others has helped me before.

Now i know you don't have a cleric. You can't buff random people. You have to be in a party with somebody to buff them and the buff goes away when they get too far from you or if they leave the party. You also don't need to cast the buffs on new people who join your party. They get them automatically when they join. Stop lying, you suck at it.

so stop your whining, and go change class or do solo if you dont like it! clerics are the support class in this game, and you should do just that. clerics is in the heart, when you dont have the heart to play a cleric, you wont be a good cleric.

None of the points you made had anything to do with people not wanting to support. First you told us it's our fault people are bossy jerks, then you said we shouldn't mind people being rude to us, after that you proved you have no understanding of how cleric buffs work and then, to top it all off, you told us to reroll. You obviously have some sort of grudge against clerics and are trying (hypocritically) to justify it by b****ing and moaning on the forums about us. In conclusion: Kiss my holy a**!

vToqZ
lvl 52 Cleric
Apoline
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[Hirochihachi]

Now i know you don't have a cleric. You can't buff random people. You have to be in a party with somebody to buff them and the buff goes away when they get too far from you or if they leave the party. You also don't need to cast the buffs on new people who join your party. They get them automatically when they join. Stop lying, you suck at it.

Er. Yea, you can offer buffs to players outside your party above level 40 or so. I know there's an hp/sp extension at level 47, plus there are defense boosters and illness resistance that you can give to any person at slightly lower levels ;P THOSE are the buffs he was talking about, and the buffs that players demand.

Unless somebody is rude with you first, there's no reason not to be polite to them, especially if they're in your party. When i ask the tank to set the loot to sequential i use 'please' and 'thank you', because i wasn't raised in a f***ing barn. I expect the same in return.

So totally completely absolutely 110% agree with you on that.

[Angelos]

ppl order clerics around, when that happens it doesn't mean we should immediatly jump to do their every whim and wish. we should do what WE think is best or the whole group. even if that means going against the leader.

just because you follow commands and orders, doesnt make you a good cleri, being a good ceric is knowing what to do, when to do it, how often to do it.

and you should ALWAYS make sure YOU stay alive, if you are the only cleric in that party, then you are the most important member, and need to look after yourself, THEN take care of the rest of the group. otherwise, 7 times out of 10, the whole group winds up dead.

if somebody is rude to you while asking for a heal/buff or w/e you can simply ignore them, do what they want, or ask them to rephrase their request in a more polite tone, most of the time, they will rephrease it, especially if you dont let them treat you like dirt.

one thing i've found out, is when somebody is being a jerk and DEMANDING heals, outside of the party, all you need to do is ask them to be more polite, then if they continue being rude, refuse to heal them. works well in KQ.

in a party, you may have no choice to but to heal them, even if it is just to help the other members stay alive.

so really.. there is no right or wrong.. everybody has their own way with dealing as a cleric...

(i probably didn't make a lot of sense.. its late.. im tired... so meh xD)

[Xanthros]

Now i know you don't have a cleric. You can't buff random people. You have to be in a party with somebody to buff them and the buff goes away when they get too far from you or if they leave the party. You also don't need to cast the buffs on new people who join your party. They get them automatically when they join. Stop lying, you suck at it.

Yes, you can randomly buff others at higher lvs as others have stated. That said, if someone re-casts the defense buffs it very well could be due to the fact that they weren't told that the defensive scrolls and stacking issue with %s was fixed. Perhaps you should ask questions instead of throwing accusations?

As for the "Stop lying, you suck at it" ... my belief is that you've never been a cleric at all. If you have, you're by no means an explorer and/or are clueless. Every class I know of goes to their appropriate master and looks at all the skills they get whenever they visit a new city.. you'd know that you get at least the poison/illness res buff (not party only) before the mid-late 40s, when you get the hp/mp one if you were.

My .02,

X-

[Andromeda]

Argh I hate whining clerics I hate them just hate them. When in a party or KQ I know my job is to simply keep the damage dealers and tankers alive (The other 3 classes) What makes me even more mad is when there is a KQ with lack of clerics and the cleric would rather choose to melee than help his fellow party. I was in that exact position as the Gold Hill Tanker 2 KQs ago. Luckily for me there was another cleric although he wasnt in my party he kept me alive the whole time while the cleric in my party did **** all and just meleed everything including Marlone.

When I was KQing with my cleric I never attacked a single enemy EVER with her all I did was heal heal heal revive heal revive etc. Running into these kind of clerics in KQ is rare but when you do run into them you can be sure the KQ will most likely be cleared :p

As for people me asking me for the Lv 47 Endure Buff. It depends on who is asking for the buff and the mood Im in. Of course I'd cast this buff on all my party members without question but when the person is outside of the party or Im not in one. I may refuse to do it for a few reasons.

1. The person is a jerk
2. They never use please and thank you
3. This one doesnt happen often but when Im farming if there is another party around and they are farming in the same area I am. Ill usually ignore them if they are asking for a buff. But if they dont farm the Mushrooms or herbs in the same area Ill gladly buff the party. Since I dont like buffing the people Im competing against to farm items.

Moral of this is if you are in a KQ or party do your ****en job you silly clerics or pick another class since clerics arent obviously for you.

I remember when I used to KQ often with my cleric most of the people I encountered in the KQs knew me well since I often did KQs and they snapped me up quickly since they knew I was a very good cleric.

[notalther]

Well we spend much more pots/stone than the fighter because we cant let the fighter died. (Dead fighter = dead party). So at least give the cleric a little time to mushroom so they can get some of their sp back...

that is soooo untrue.
i'm not saying fighters spend more on sp stones/pots than clerics, but they certainly don't spend less.
you try spamming every skill you have all the time, and see how fast you go through your sp. not just spamming heal, spamming 6+ skills constantly.
sucks..

and yes, i have a cleric AND a fighter. i can make the comparison.

[Andromeda]

that is soooo untrue.
i'm not saying fighters spend more on sp stones/pots than clerics, but they certainly don't spend less.
you try spamming every skill you have all the time, and see how fast you go through your sp. not just spamming heal, spamming 6+ skills constantly.
sucks..

and yes, i have a cleric AND a fighter. i can make the comparison.

As can I since I spam stun and the debuffs and Snearing kick Ill burn through SP just as much if not faster than a cleric does.

I never thought a cleric would take a fighter for granted but that seems to be the case =\

[Hirochihachi]

Edit: Note to self- No posting before coffee

[Sharajen]

Thank you vietoq!!

I was glad to see this thread go up, there's far, FAR too much whining goes on on these forums. Makes me rather ashamed of my class sometimes.

You pick a cleric, to be a healer to other people OR to solo. Those who sit in a pt, refusing to heal are leaching. Cause I sure as hell bet you never told that pt you weren't going to heal them cause if you did, there's no way they'd have invited you.

For those saying people order clerics around, here's the thing. Aside from people giving advice in the early levels, as they know the safe spots etc. so may well know good places to stand to heal from, I've not had someone who 'ordered' me to do anything.

For those clerics, in PT's:
If someone has to tell you to heal, repeatedly in a party, I'm going to bet your not playing your class right. Especially, if the person telling you this, is the main tank. True, some people are jerks, and if they are being unreasonable then leave the pt. No one is making you stay, but on the whole people will tell you what they need. Also bear in mind, someone being eaten by several monsters is NOT going to say: 'excuse me, could you please heal me?' The most they have time for is 'heal' due to trying not to die themselves.

For those clerics, soloing:
Should you be soloing, and lets see how many people actually read this far before they blow up. Buffs, are your personal preference. Most people will say please, some wont, and there you have a choice. You can buff them, or not. No one forces you to do anything. Tell people no, tell them to leave you alone, no one can make you press the button.

To the person who said he obviously doesn't have a cleric, I'm going to say you obviously aren't high level. If you were, you'd have those buffs to use/not use on people at your discretion.

People will ask you for these buffs/heals whatever your situation because you are the only class that can heal others and help out in this way. They're not going to ask a mage for it now are they? You have the skills, people need, and people are going to ask. Every class works with the rest, they compliment each other. A cleric, fits into that by healing.

I chose my class, because I like, to help. I want to be a needed and valued party member and I can do my job well. You don't want to heal anyone, or take 'orders'? don't party with people cause you definitely don't deserve them putting their lives on the line for you not healing. I serve, no one, I help, my party and a lot of other people to because I choose to and it is what my class is designed for. It's why I chose the job in the first place. Don't like the job spec? re-roll something else.

[Leedles]

LOL! Actually, vToqZ is a VERY good cleric. I have partied with him on several occasions and he is awesome ^^ I've never once had to ask him for a heal/buff/rez/etc - he is very attentive to the needs of the party and does everything in his power to keep it alive and running smoothly.

"if you are the only cleric in that party, then you are the most important member, and need to look after yourself, THEN take care of the rest of the group."

Hrm ... if you need to be watching your own health, the tank is obviously not doing their job. How do you handle it when you start getting hit? What you should do is go to the tank. If the tank is good, they will get it off you the next time their mock is up. Until their mock is up, use hp stones/pots on yourself and continue healing them. If they die, most of the time the whole party dies. Yes, I KNOW that if the cleric dies the whole party dies too. Just saying, you're running the risk of dying anyway if you stop healing the tank. (Don't believe me? I've seen it happen PLENTY of times before.)

I know what you're going to say next - "well, the tank should be watching their own life." Fine, true, fair enough. But I know from personal experience when things get REALLY heated, my health is sometimes one of the last things I'm thinking about (I'm trying to make sure I keep "all eyes on me" while trying to deal as much damage and stun, etc as possible). My cleric has the job to step back and heal when things get heated. My job is to keep the mob attention on me and help the dds take down the mobs.

Ultimately, if you're not happy in a party for whatever reason (not sequential loot, person being demanding, etc), then LEAVE IT! No one is making you be there.

I personally love my clerics and try to thank them as often as possible, though I know I sometimes forget. If you get a good cleric who knows what they're doing, you don't need to tell them how to do their job. Just like if you get a good fighter/archer/mage, you don't need to tell them to do their job. I get mad at mages who over aggro and take a monster off me, does that mean I refuse to kick it and regain aggro? HECK NO! Poor squishy would die.

It's called teamwork for a reason people. Use it or solo.

[LameScorpio]

Yet Clerics are the only class to be constantly bugged for things... so yeah they have a right to whine. So lay of the poor Clerics and demanding silly buffs and you might find we buff you more often just randomly. I don't mind at all giving out random heals, rez, or buff, but the real whining comes from those that demands and that is what the problem is. Then you start a thread in some lame attempt to get Clerics to buff, rez, and heal you more and tells them it is their JOB. No sorry, our only duty is to our self and our team.

[nerdzo]

Yet Clerics are the only class to be constantly bugged for things... so yeah they have a right to whine. So lay of the poor Clerics and demanding silly buffs and you might find we buff you more often just randomly. I don't mind at all giving out random heals, rez, or buff, but the real whining comes from those that demands and that is what the problem is. Then you start a thread in some lame attempt to get Clerics to buff, rez, and heal you more and tells them it is their JOB. No sorry, our only duty is to our self and our team.

and i believe the "our team" ur talking abt refers to the party ur in. if this is so, then ur point is the same as the threadstarter, therefore im wondering why u say "Then you start a thread in some lame attempt to get Clerics to buff, rez, and heal you more and tells them it is their JOB."
yet another farad i guess

[Jhanniss]

As a level 49 cleric I have run across my share of idiot clerics. My friends got tired of going on a tirade in my mid levels because I would be grouped up with another cleric and they wouldn't do anything right it seemed (fighting, healing, etc).

As for myself, I have the right to refuse service to anyone. Just as anyone has the right to refuse service to me. If people spam "heal" over and over and over, I find that offensive as I don't need to be told how to do my job. If I spammed "stop pulling" wouldn't that be annoying?

In AEW, when grouped with two mages, a fighter, and another cleric... the fighter pulls some 5 trumpies and you have these two mages spamming AOE when possible. That now becomes not one but three people to babysit. And we know mages aren't exactly tank-worthy in the armor department. Naturally at some point one or both of the mages are going to be aggro'd. Now this breaks off the healing from the fighter to the rest of the party and then it breaks down from there to the point someone dies.

Then you get the "why didn't heal me" cries to the whole scenario. Oh we're SUPPOSE to be able to keep them alive when pushed to our limits from their greed pulls. I'm sorry but I disagree, if the cleric stays to slow down you should listen. Otherwise your spamming "heal" falls on def ears. This IS a support class talking.

As for buffs, I usually give them to those who ask nicely but if you just pull up to me and say "buff". I'll ignore it. If you don't like it, I have that right. :3

Again we are a support class, not some slaves to everyone's beck and call. There's a big difference. I know my role, get to know yours better. :P

[vietoq]

You can't buff random people. You have to be in a party with somebody to buff them and the buff goes away when they get too far from you or if they leave the party. You also don't need to cast the buffs on new people who join your party. They get them automatically when they join. Stop lying, you suck at it.
please get your facts right before flaming someone who do play cleric :P i don't mind you telling me a liar, bad cleric, or anything coz its totally up to your own opinion, though it would be better if you have already partied with me before you start saying those :P it's just annoying that someone accuse someone else for lying when they dont have their facts right..


vietoq stick to waiting on tables at burger king, probably more satisfying for mental outlook
now now farard, its okay, i dont blame you, it seems that you trully cant go past that one paragraph thing, next time i'll squish it up together so u can read them all ok? or is it one sentence? omg dont tell me u can only read 1 word! soihavetowritelikethistoyounexttime?




In AEW, when grouped with two mages, a fighter, and another cleric... the fighter pulls some 5 trumpies and you have these two mages spamming AOE when possible. That now becomes not one but three people to babysit. And we know mages aren't exactly tank-worthy in the armor department. Naturally at some point one or both of the mages are going to be aggro'd. Now this breaks off the healing from the fighter to the rest of the party and then it breaks down from there to the point someone dies.

Then you get the "why didn't heal me" cries to the whole scenario. Oh we're SUPPOSE to be able to keep them alive when pushed to our limits from their greed pulls. I'm sorry but I disagree, if the cleric stays to slow down you should listen. Otherwise your spamming "heal" falls on def ears. This IS a support class talking.


yea i totally understand what you mean, what i usually did is to make arrangement with that other cleric, so under heavy fires, i will still keep my heal on tank, while s/he will handle the mages. it often works fine after a while :D but, usually u dont really need to do that coz the fighter can usually keep the agro for themselves, except for some special occasion when the mage stole agro.. if i'm on my mage, i usually go out of the pack and drag that one monster that hit me out from the crowd (not so far tho!) so the fighter will be able to use taunt, taunt has a much lower cooldown time, and by dragging that monster you allow the fighter to gain agro back from that specific monster.

see, its not only clerics job to make sure everyone alives. even mage/archer has to contribute into the "keep alive" thing, and should play smart whenever they got hit, coz their role is not as tank in the party..

even though, there's a number of not so smart posts, i generally happy with this thread coz i still get good response from the clerics community. at least i know there're good clerics out there! its good to read from the good clerics once in a while :D

[dericcyk]

Hmmm i'm also a cleric 31 now and currently with 30 end and a bit of spr, anyhow was just thinking, if you're soloing, and ppl come up to keep demanding party, you have the right to refuse right, you don't need to be in it if you don't want to be in constant demand to heal and buff them.

Also for KQ, i think END clerics make really great miners for Gold Hill, You just have to turn on your defensive scrolls, invin and drag all the mobs with you to a place with no ores, it helps with the ease of the party to mine faster.

Also i've been in a couple of good KQ where the attacking classes will help pull off the mobs from me when i'm mining, if they are in my team or not i will just heal them too. but most of the time i'll be mining for a success hopefully. Because i've been in a couple of Gold Hills where it ran out of time because of too slow mining. :(

[pelmensilverwolf]

Hrm.. I love threads like this one... they crop up in every single mmo I've ever played and it's always the same arguments from the same sides.

1. This is a game. No one is obligated to do _anything_ they don't want to. It doesn't say in the ToS that a cleric has to heal people or a fighter has to tank things. Period.

2. A little politeness in or out of a party goes a very long way. I do have a lower level cleric and I'm getting very, very tired of hearing "*** noob! heal me!" from the 5 fighters bashing away at a single slime in the first KQ, while I'm running around with 3 more chasing me trying desperately to stay alive. If I'm dead I can't heal. People like that need to just plain shut up. Outside of a party situation I have no obligations towards anyone other than myself. I randomly heal and buff people constantly. I will NOT respond to "Buff me" or "gimme a heal". Get bent. Try saying please.. it goes a long way.

3. A good, attentive cleric is handicapped by a few things in a game. Connection speed, server latency, supply of sp restoration items.. there's dozens of things that can slow them down or prevent a lifesaving heal. I will grant there are lots of whiners, and there are an equal number of people who immediately jump all over the cleric the first time they miss a spell. I've played games where the common practice was for said cleric to simply leave the group when the yelling from the warrior classes got to be too much.. so where does that leave you half way through a quest/mission/instance? (besides totally boned)

4. ANY class who goes into a situation like a KQ without a stock of potions/stones as backup deserves a good swift kick in the teeth. Heal (barring empowering) is a 3 second cooldown, and a lot can happen in that 3 seconds. If you do not have the resources to keep yourself alive for longer than 2 hits without having a cleric permanently welded to you at the hip, you need to rethink your play style. This goes for mages, archers and fighters. Walking into a KQ with no pots or stones is just plain dumb.

5. Buff me! Buff me! Sure thing buddy.. btw, since I'm doing this and you plan to tank, where's your shield and vitality scrolls so I'm not spamming heal on you every time the skill charges? Spamming heal over and over on the same unprepared moron isn't exactly fun.

Feel free to flame as you choose.. .there's enough of it happening in this topic it should be interesting. And consider this.. I've played mmo's where you _rent_ the services of a cleric for an event like a KQ.. payment in advance or they either just leave, or leech their way through... The "It's a clerics JOB to heal" is a very tricky argument to advance without causing a world of trouble. .. just my 2 cents

[togashi]

Back to the topic, if any other classes dont do their jobs properly i wouldn't do anything even when im in a party. Lets take examples of a stupid tanker who relies all in clerics and doesn't want to use his pots even if clerics cant keep up healing( i have been in such case so many times before) or a stupid mage who does aoe idiotically and get himself hit too many times...

Again, I agree that many clerics dont do their job but so do other classes.

[Gravvi]

they need to have the apprenticeships working. Like a lvl 50 can help someone below the lvl of 20 figure the game out. THey can teach them game etiquette, how things work. Show them builds and empowerments. If people did that maybe there would be less jerks. And the lvl 50 people or whatever lvl ur teacher is would get like 5k exp for doing so. Like 5k per session. I don't know.

[cryragon]

As long as people aren't happy, people will complain.

No matter how much you try to suppress people to not complain, honestly it will be pointless, because complaining is actually just another form of socializing. Yes, constant complaints are annoying, but learn to tolerate it just as you have tried to tolerate some reckless actions caused by other players in-game.

[Semaj]

they need to have the apprenticeships working. Like a lvl 50 can help someone below the lvl of 20 figure the game out. THey can teach them game etiquette, how things work. Show them builds and empowerments. If people did that maybe there would be less jerks. And the lvl 50 people or whatever lvl ur teacher is would get like 5k exp for doing so. Like 5k per session. I don't know.

thats also what this forum and guilds are for. there's a lot of players that are just jerks, the characters mimic the player after all.

[academics03]

You sound pretty irked about the whining cleric thing, do you spend a lot of time on the forums or have you actually been witness to this stuff in the game?

Anyway, I usually revive or heal a person in my path if I see them, but I only play a Cleric because I like being able to take care of myself (Archers are expensive). It helps to get a thank you but I don't really care about it just so long as the person doesn't doesn't demand I heal or revive them...it's just rude. I believe a Cleric should look out for their party and heal them when they need, but I don't believe that the other party members should shout "HEAL" or anything, I mean after all that's why their names and lifebars show up on the side of the screen right?

I've got an idea, if the Clerics are so annoyed about how other classes were treating them, then why not exchange character names and servers and just always party together? You'll never have another problem with rudeness and you won't really miss the other classes.

[twinn_dragon]

im a cleric and i can keep a party alive if mobs arent doing to much dmg. also soloing if i am asked by someone for buff that is impatient and rude i built my char in such that i will chase them away with a mob, that is my solution for that. so be nice and patient you'll get a buff if i got it, if your rude and demanding then you will die a very painful death \ /.

and, in a party, if i see that the tank holding up real well then ill help do dmg myself and heal everyso often but if the mobs are really creming the tank i am standing at the side lines spamming spells to keep him/her alive and from experience my favorite spell is RESTORE, it slowes the dmg the tank gets and saves me sp for just in case the other party mems are getting attacked. invul is good but that wheres off fast with mobs like king colls that has that blast attack. use your mind ppl and you can go far if not then give up this game cuz it is too hard for you.

[zepheris]

OK.. after reading all this stuff.. I came up with one conclusion...

Play your own game... help if u want to... dont help if you dont want to... party if you want to.. heal if you want to..

This is..... A FREE WORLD.

Dont like them? Ban them! Dont like what they're doing.. Disband, or leave!

Know why? Because YOU CANT tell me to do something. Are you my king? My master? My mother? My father? My god?

Okay, enough talking. :D

And yes, it is good to have teamwork.

However.. for those who says... CLERICS ARE SUPPOSE TO HEAL! You are soooo wrong.

I can play cleric and not purchase any healing skills nor use any heals. Why? well.. some of you might say..

"Go play a fighter!!!" yup yup.. But u know why? I DONT CARE! I WANT A CLERIC, and who can stop me from that?

CAN YOU? OOOOOOPS.. Nope you cant! Why i play archer? KAuse i want to.. Why i play cleric? Because i want to. Why I want to talk? Because i want to. Why did i heal? BEcause i want to. I dont have to wait for a demand.

Basically its.. like this... Why do you enjoy playing sport? Why do you like to fish? Why do you like to laugh? Why do you enjoy dating? Why is dating fun? Why is this world loaded with crime? Why are you in love? Why do your parents love you? Why dont your parents love you? Why are you eating out tonight? Why are you lazy? Why do you like to run? Why do you like to swim? GOT IT? CAN YOU answer these?

EX...
A... Why do you like to fish?
B... Because I enjoy fishing.
A... Why do you enjoy fishing?
B... Because it gives me a good feeling.
A... Why do you feel good when you fish?
B... Because it give me the feeling of being alive.
A... Why did it make you feel alive?
.....etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.. IT WILL GO ON FOREVER.

So, that is to get this clear up.

1- FIGHTER DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO TANK
2- CLERIC DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO HEAL

---instead.....
Fighter means that you CAN tank.
CLeric means that you CAN heal.

Well.. I am neither Con or Pro. But i am those clerics who will help if i want to, and when i can.

[vietoq]

oh wow, theres so many paragraph there.. farrad cannot read... :(

anyway, yea i agree totally in the its a free world thing. as long as you're not doing anything that result in a loss to others, people don't have the right to make u do anything! but once you interact with others.. its a different story. that's exactly what it is.. if you cant be bothered, go solo! :D

[Hirochihachi]

clerics SUX play fighter FTW

Well there's your mind-blowing thought for the day. Well-done, Sabbygirl, so completely profound.

[yukijin]

im still a true soloer @ lvl 50, and i still agree with VtoqZ. when in a party, clerics are the most efficient as support, healing, and buffs.

[Leedles]

1- FIGHTER DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO TANK
2- CLERIC DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO HEAL

---instead.....
Fighter means that you CAN tank.
CLeric means that you CAN heal.

That's fair enough. But I will not party with a fighter who refuses to tank or a cleric who refuses to heal. If you're in an ideal party, that's what you're SUPPOSED to be doing. As a tank, I will not party with a cleric who will not heal me. Go do your own thing - I won't let you leech off me. And, as tank, I will do my best to hold aggro and keep the mobs off my cleric (and the squishies, of course). Give and take ... and teamwork. If everyone does what their class was DESIGNED to do, then a team of fighter, cleric, archer and mage will make an unbeatable team (when in the right areas, of course :P).

Using the logic you display in your post though, I can bug you for a buff until I get blue in the face. I can demand things and call you nasty names. Why? Because I want to. Of course, I'd fully expect a face full of mobs if I did so, and I wouldn't bug someone like that anyway. But if that's how I want to spend my time with my character, I can - using your logic.

I think what Toq is saying in this thread is that people need to stop complaining and just go play. Don't like who you're partied with, find a new one. Eventually the good players will band together in the higher levels while the not-so-good players will give up because no one wants to party with an obnoxious or rude person.

The thing I've noticed is - if you're a good player who does what your class is made to do, people will WANT to party with you. You will log in and you will have no problems whatsoever finding a good party. People will want to party with you again. So, no, you don't HAVE to do anything. But it really is the smart thing to do if you want to play in parties.

I still say good post to Toq. Can't wait to have you back with us dear :D

[Brunya]

I agree with Leedles post, teamwork is important, more than you THINK it is, oftentimes.

But my personal stance on boss fighting and what the classes should do:

Main Tank: Tank and kick often, use items to relieve some stress from the clerics (Come PREPARED)
Rest of the Fighters: Kick if the tank dies (This is to stop the squishies from being oliberated), other than that, attack from behind preferably. Try not to stun some bosses *coughMaracough*

Mages and Archers: Hit the boss from afar or lure monsters away from a giant mob of monsters (example: Mara and Marlone, getting the reals away from the fakes)

Clerics: Support the Main tank during boss fights, unless there's 6 Clerics healing 1 tank (Overkill), then you can attack.

Those aren't set in stone, but it's how I personally use each class. Recently, I got into a Mara KQ in which I was the ONLY Cleric (Lucky I had Revive ><) and people were generally nice about it and even...understood the pressure I was going through (was challenging but fun, luckily the main tank was prepared with healing items, so I had a bit less stress x.x). The moral of that is, if everyone uses their own abilities in the RIGHT way, Kingdom Quests are made a whole lot easier. You've got to strive to win together, and the best way to do that is work as a team.

[Andromeda]

I agree with Leedles post, teamwork is important, more than you THINK it is, oftentimes.

But my personal stance on boss fighting and what the classes should do:

Main Tank: Tank and kick often, use items to relieve some stress from the clerics (Come PREPARED)
Rest of the Fighters: Kick if the tank dies (This is to stop the squishies from being oliberated), other than that, attack from behind preferably. Try not to stun some bosses *coughMaracough*

Mages and Archers: Hit the boss from afar or lure monsters away from a giant mob of monsters (example: Mara and Marlone, getting the reals away from the fakes)

Clerics: Support the Main tank during boss fights, unless there's 6 Clerics healing 1 tank (Overkill), then you can attack.

Those aren't set in stone, but it's how I personally use each class. Recently, I got into a Mara KQ in which I was the ONLY Cleric (Lucky I had Revive ><) and people were generally nice about it and even...understood the pressure I was going through (was challenging but fun, luckily the main tank was prepared with healing items, so I had a bit less stress x.x). The moral of that is, if everyone uses their own abilities in the RIGHT way, Kingdom Quests are made a whole lot easier. You've got to strive to win together, and the best way to do that is work as a team.

Mara is ok to stun because its only the main tank that gets stunned after Maras Stun ends. However in Gold Hill KQ you should never ever stun Gold Robber boss because he can lose agro on you quickly so if a fighter stuns it. It will stun the main tank afterwards and change targets to a damage dealer.

[Sharajen]

*quietly drools over Andromeda's sig*

I think, I ranted enough earlier hehe, but I'm still agreeing. If your going to party, add something to the team, if your not, go solo and use your buffs/heals as you wish.

If you want to pt and do no healing... tell the people your asking to join that's what you plan to do, and see what kind of reaction you get. ^^

[Brunya]

I'd rather be safe than sorry whenever it comes to Mara though. Usually "good" tanks can manage to regain the monsters aggression VERY quickly, so it's not that much of a problem. x.x

[Marine-RX179]

I think the limitation of the game actually make Clerics difficult to heal people outside of their party effectively. If the game added something like 'display HP bar of other players', it can allow Clerics to heal people better; not only people in their party, but people outside of party too.

Today, I was using my Cleric to do the King Slim KQ. There were me and one other Cleric, 3 Fighters and two 'AFK at entrance lazy bums', and the remains are Mage and Archers (so total of 13 people). My party was me, the other Cleric, two fighters and a Mage.

And then toward the end, a Mage and the Fighter that's not in my group saying things like Cleric sux because we didn't heal them well enough, when we already our hands full supporting the two fighters in our own party, as well as it is difficult to see the HP of people outside of party.

I think the Mages and Archers need to learn to wait for the fighters/tanks to attack first before attacking, instead of rushing, so that they won't draw aggro and get hit. A good Archer/Mage should be able to avoid drawing aggro, if they can doing something as simple as being patient, and hitting the right mob.

Personally, I enjoy healing other people without being asked even when I'm soloing, but I would't like random people just shout to me 'Heal me now! Heal me I said!' like we are their slaves or something...

[farard]

oh wow, theres so many paragraph there.. farrad cannot read...

stick to waiting on tables, and leave the real clericing to those who know what they are doing.

[absolutechaos]

Quit your whining.. omg, you make our class looks bad -_-
you are a cleric! your job is to HEAL! don't need anyone else to say "heal" "buff" "res". if you are asked to do that, you are a BAD cleric and should just go solo all your life, dont accept party invite and try to avoid ppl in general!

ppl outside your party, ok, i understand that they have to be polite and all coz u dont have any business with them. but in party? it is YOUR DUTY to do all those! if you want to do other, choose other class! or no party!

annoyed at being asked to buff? carry around a lvl 20 set of armors! dont use that huge shield! i'm sure no one will ask you to buff them, and even if there is, i'm sure its your friends on alt or whatever and you DONT want to disappoint them! i myself ALWAYS buff ppl when they ask in whisper (coz i almost always filter normal) i even use sp stones to buff ppl when im out of sp! i buff ppl in random while walking around field. i know that not all clerics can do that, and i respect their wishes not to help others around. but i've been lower lvl myself, and i know how appreciated it is when someone buff me, so i help others coz others has helped me before.

so stop your whining, and go change class or do solo if you dont like it! clerics are the support class in this game, and you should do just that. clerics is in the heart, when you dont have the heart to play a cleric, you wont be a good cleric.

vToqZ
lvl 52 Cleric
Apoline




thank you

we need more people like you