To Everyone that thinks Fiesta is fail and that OS isn't doing their job right

[maestromindtake]

Stop Playing....

Seriously just quit, the never ending stream of threads that just make the forums cluttered get annoying and old...

Go play WoW or something....

Go do anything else anywhere else, just stop the complaining about everything that's wrong and think about what is good with the game.

If you can't do that just quit...

You will certainly be missed

[Jsonthegreat]

Meastro kisses serious fiesta bottom.

[tubes0000]

agreed. they are trying their best. its just like anything... sometimes stuff breaks.. yes it is annoying sometimes. but they are doing all they can. if it bothers people that much.. there are other things you can play. theres even something you can do called REAL LIFE.. while the servers down

[missdeena]

please done grill me for saying this but i have a feeling this will turn into a flame thread lol

[maestromindtake]

Meastro kisses serious fiesta bottom.

holy mother of god what's up json haven't talked to you in ages


please done grill me for saying this but i have a feeling this will turn into a flame thread lol

It probably will but I have a lot of hate on my normal server anyways

[tubes0000]

you shouldnt be flamed or grilled.. or flame grilled for stating the obvious

[nicolehere]

please done grill me for saying this but i have a feeling this will turn into a flame thread lol


I must agree with you on that. lol.

[EchoSound]

Meastro kisses serious fiesta bottom.

There's always someone blind in the bunch. :/

But seriously. If most of those having problems with how OS is doing right now actually quit you'd be playing almost completely empty servers. Don't dish out that kind of advice rofl.

And even more seriously: Even YOU have to see it, OP. Its some serious fail these days. Love the staff of OS - great chaps and lasses (are there any real girls in the staff? x.x) - but doesn't seem they're earning their money lately.

[Jobo7]

Stop Playing....

Seriously just quit, the never ending stream of threads that just make the forums cluttered get annoying and old...

Go play WoW or something....

Go do anything else anywhere else, just stop the complaining about everything that's wrong and think about what is good with the game.

If you can't do that just quit...

You will certainly be missed


I'm sorry, could you please enlighten me what this "good thing about the game" is?

[missdeena]

you shouldnt be flamed or grilled.. or flame grilled for stating the obvious

now u went and made me hungry lmao

[maestromindtake]

There's always someone blind in the bunch. :/

But seriously. If most of those having problems with how OS is doing right now actually quit you'd be playing almost completely empty servers. Don't dish out that kind of advice rofl.

That would be awesome to have nearly empty servers, less lag, from the complainers :D

Love the staff of OS - great chaps and lasses (are there any real girls in the staff? x.x) - but doesn't seem they're earning their money lately.

Brilliant I love you

I'm sorry, could you please enlighten me what this "good thing about the game" is?

Which is exactly why you should just quit

[soulowner]

lmao...is not about "quit the game if u dont like", if we re here is because WE LIKE THE GAME and lot of people is like "paying" (Buying SC) for it, for a good service and A GOOD TIME EXPERIENCE, we dont want to go, we want to play like a normal gamer lmao.

[Jsonthegreat]

holy mother of god what's up json haven't talked to you in ages

Hah, Lol, not much, I stopped playing ages ago but came back actually just these past couple weeks. I hear what your saying though, there are plenty of complaint threads but they provide this game in a sense for free.

[EchoSound]

That would be awesome to have nearly empty servers, less lag, from the complainers :D

Right. And nearly impossible for you to find the godly armors and +9's you'd want to buy. :|

Lol...........

idk I find that debatable these last few days, honestly... lmao XD

[maestromindtake]

Right. And nearly impossible for you to find the godly armors and +9's you'd want to buy. :|

eh I make my own +9's, and still less people, less lag makes maestro happy

[lisaleggs]

Stop Playing....

Seriously just quit, the never ending stream of threads that just make the forums cluttered get annoying and old...

Go play WoW or something....

Go do anything else anywhere else, just stop the complaining about everything that's wrong and think about what is good with the game.

If you can't do that just quit...

You will certainly be missed

Clap clap clap clap clap!!! GMs and OS do what they can.

While I don't always agree with the changes and direction at times, the countless threads of moaning and groaning are a waste of space.

[Spankle]

People are always going to complain if they pay for something and are disappointed with the service, its kind of a right we all think we have and really should have. Its up to OS to give people less reason to complain...I think the cluttered forum threads are more a reflection on OS than the people who are simply responding to bad service ;/

[EchoSound]

People are always going to complain if they pay for something and are disappointed with the service, its kind of a right we all think we have and really should have. Its up to OS to give people less reason to complain...I think the cluttered forum threads are more a reflection on OS than the people who are simply responding to bad service ;/

That was extremely well said!

It's so going in my sig o.o

[kouseketra]

I dunno, imo there's nothing wrong with giving them advice if you love the game and want to see it come to be something better. >.>

[Jsonthegreat]

While I don't always agree with the changes and direction at times, the countless threads of moaning and groaning are a waste of space.

I think I read this as a rule in the OS complaints department.

[EchoSound]

It's so going in my sig o.o

;-; or not. Its too long and I don't wanna take away my character stuff.

[Canboy]

Maestro, youll realise the complainers are normally from 2007 join dates. This is becaus eback then, Fiesta had less content, better GMs who interacted more, less content, but was sitll more fun. The CS wasn't priced stupidly and you would get a response from a GM for a question.

We know what Fiesta could be today, but it's gone down a slope since Christmas 2007. So do not tell people not to complain so you cn be a brown nose. you seen all the threads defending outspark lately? they're on the same direction as the threads pointing out the cr@p that is happening today.

[maestromindtake]

People are always going to complain if they pay for something and are disappointed with the service

Really good point, but in reality no one is obligated to pay for this game...

its kind of a right we all think we have and really should have.

This right should be allowed to us if OS somehow starts charging a subscription to play.

I think the cluttered forum threads are more a reflection on OS than the people who are simply responding to bad service

I funny enough have had a lot of issues in the past but you will never find I thread where i complained about any quality of service issue

[lordalden]

Maestro, youll realise the complainers are normally from 2007 join dates. This is becaus eback then, Fiesta had less content, better GMs who interacted more, less content, but was sitll more fun. The CS wasn't priced stupidly and you would get a response from a GM for a question.

We know what Fiesta could be today, but it's gone down a slope since Christmas 2007. So do not tell people not to complain so you cn be a brown nose. you seen all the threads defending outspark lately? they're on the same direction as the threads pointing out the cr@p that is happening today.

I was here back then, too, but something most of these same 2007 posters do not realize are the following:

New content brings new problems, constantly. Every company, every last one, that puts out an MMO has this come up. I will promise you now without a shadow of a doubt that this happens with every last one.

I'm mostly thankful that Outspark is putting greater relevance on gameplay matters rather than cosmetic ones like the animation bugs and whatnot.(Server stability is another matter, but I'm sure that's being looked into.)

Inflation happens every year. Generally speaking F2P games with cash shops year by year increase their prices. I've seen it in a whole plethora of them, and this is something that is not new to the MMO market at all.

Fun can be defined differently from person to person. It's a viewpoint based idea. To say it's less fun to you may be accurate, but to have a standpoint that in general it is less fun is discrediting the viewpoints of others who would disagree.

[randomadvocate]

*Sniff sniff* What's that thing on your nose?....Ewww a brownoser

You should think before you post that most/lots of complainers posting are not just bashing but reffering to the way this game was like 1-2caps/some months ago....Join date of '07 and stuff

Seriously dude...You DC like 1000000times before you can change a map and you say to yourself 'Yes yes they are doing their job properly. They OSM.' ...And you still say this after you keep DC for another week till next patch, which fixes lag and brings new bugs? If you say yes, then let me tell you that issues like that was solved with emergancy maintance/ max 1-2days later but not after 1week.

Again, I'm not complaining cus the game itself is bad...But the way the company acts is rather disappointing...Ever tried sending tickets? Most of their tickets are just some CRTL-C/CTRL-V BS.....

But yea...keep shaking the Outspark Pomp-poms man lol

[EchoSound]

Really good point, but in reality no one is obligated to pay for this game...



This right should be allowed to us if OS somehow starts charging a subscription to play.

Who needs a subscription? :/ OS makes more money on their pretense of "free to play". I know someone who literally spent $100 on extenders and suits and customizing stuff in less than a week. That's WAY MORE than a subscription that costs $15 a month, don't you think?

[tubes0000]

Who needs a subscription? :/ OS makes more money on their pretense of "free to play". I know someone who literally spent $100 on extenders and suits and customizing stuff in less than a week. That's WAY MORE than a subscription that costs $15 a month, don't you think?

but they didnt HAVE to pay that... that was their choice..

[Spankle]

Lol he thinks its F2P? o_o
...It aint F2P lets not pretend people ~_~

[maestromindtake]

but they didnt have to pay that... That was their choice..


exactly the point


Lol he thinks its F2P? o_o
...It aint F2P lets not pretend people ~_~

But it is people make a choice on their own to buy SC items

[kage32]

heh, thats how much i spend per month, mostly for exp cards for characters, since their at a point where its hard to lvl fast. but fast or not they do lvl, eventually, lol

[Jsonthegreat]

but they didnt HAVE to pay that... that was their choice..

So what? The OS still makes more money on their F2P notion than they ever would on subscriptions.

[BoardinKid]

Not fair for those who jus bought lv 45 purps? There that there are people spending huge sum of money on purps without knowin the fact that Fiesta is goin to decrease the stats and the def. I dont think its fair to those who bought it. If they were to know about this, i dont think they will even spent so many Gold to buy it in the first place although the armour is overpowered and the stats need to be adjusted!

[infernal_judge]

il be bum smacked if someone actually expects me to belive that one person who actually plays this games has not spent even 5$ on sc everyone has and everyone will its not even really a choice thing people are doing more and more to get the upper edge in pvp and the only way to keep up and not get slaughtered is to follow the tide

[Canboy]

I was here back then, too, but something most of these same 2007 posters do not realize are the following:

New content brings new problems, constantly. Every company, every last one, that puts out an MMO has this come up. I will promise you now without a shadow of a doubt that this happens with every last one.

I'm mostly thankful that Outspark is putting greater relevance on gameplay matters rather than cosmetic ones like the animation bugs and whatnot.(Server stability is another matter, but I'm sure that's being looked into.)

Inflation happens every year. Generally speaking F2P games with cash shops year by year increase their prices. I've seen it in a whole plethora of them, and this is something that is not new to the MMO market at all.

Fun can be defined differently from person to person. It's a viewpoint based idea. To say it's less fun to you may be accurate, but to have a standpoint that in general it is less fun is discrediting the viewpoints of others who would disagree.

I understand where you're coming from, but I find it hard to believe the amount of time taken to fix most of these bugs is neccessary, as back in 2007 a bug would be fixed fair quickly as opposed to now, and whats changed to cause that?

Inflation, well yeah that makes sense, but the fact that they just happen to raise prices on things needed to get past 91 is a bit suss.

And yes fun can be defined diffrently for people but im doubting many find it fun to spendd $100+ a month to grind in the one spot every single day just to get a few levels.

but personally the thing that ticks me the most, is the complete lack of acknowledgement by the GMs, excluding GM_Neko, yes occaisionally silky will post but it's normaly toned to be a smart A reply which doesn't help the relations between GM and player.

[Jsonthegreat]

Not fair for those who jus bought lv 45 purps? There that there are people spending huge sum of money on purps without knowin the fact that Fiesta is goin to decrease the stats and the def. I dont think its fair to those who bought it. If they were to know about this, i dont think they will even spent so many Gold to buy it in the first place although the armour is overpowered and the stats need to be adjusted!

Well I'm glad they looked into this situation thoroughly. OS SUCKS.

[lordalden]

*Sniff sniff* What's that thing on your nose?....Ewww a brownoser

You should think before you post that most/lots of complainers posting are not just bashing but reffering to the way this game was like 1-2caps/some months ago....Join date of '07 and stuff

Seriously dude...You DC like 1000000times before you can change a map and you say to yourself 'Yes yes they are doing their job properly. They OSM.' ...And you still say this after you keep DC for another week till next patch, which fixes lag and brings new bugs? If you say yes, then let me tell you that issues like that was solved with emergancy maintance/ max 1-2days later but not after 1week.

Again, I'm not complaining cus the game itself is bad...But the way the company acts is rather disappointing...Ever tried sending tickets? Most of their tickets are just some CRTL-C/CTRL-V BS.....

But yea...keep shaking the Outspark Pomp-poms man lol

I'm quite sure the various reports they make, the hours they stay up without getting paid and whatnot are also them not going above and beyond in their job positions either.

Also, to comment on server stability from my end would require me actually knowing what I'm talking about. I don't know what's going on, so far be it for me to say I know what the problem is or if it's easily fixed.

Also, most problems are very common and so tickets get sent regarding common issues frequently. It saves time, and therefore keeps the Staff focused on fixing issues, to have preformated responses ready to reply to concerned users with.

Most customer service centers for major businesses have these once they have pinpointed the cause for concern for the user/customer, etc. I fail to see where this is problematic when it actually helps streamline their ability to process concerns, suggestions, and feedback that help get the game changed in the way you guys want it to improve, regardless of the time it takes sometimes.

Lol he thinks its F2P? o_o
...It aint F2P lets not pretend people ~_~

It is an entirely free to play game. Any purchases made are by your own desire to do so. It may be more difficult at higher levels, but difficult =/= impossible. Remember, even in the case of "nearly impossible" that it's STILL possible.

[Hemmes]

Its a good thing ppl complain so Outspark knows where the trouble is at, it just shouldnt be all "dramalama im quitting everything is going to hell outspark doesnt care about us its all about the money"

If they drop that, Outspark will take them more seriously, there will be less thread closings and most importantly....i wont have to read the whole flaming wall of text that comes with the on line of complaint.

[infernal_judge]

shouldnt we be let back on in like 30 mins btw?

[EchoSound]

So what? The OS still makes more money on their F2P notion than they ever would on subscriptions.

And that was the point. XD lol

[EchoSound]

Most customer service centers for major businesses have these once they have pinpointed the cause for concern for the user/customer, etc. I fail to see where this is problematic when it actually helps streamline their ability to process concerns, suggestions, and feedback that help get the game changed in the way you guys want it to improve, regardless of the time it takes sometimes.

Yeah, but the obvious problem here is that they're not addressing the issue.

[Jsonthegreat]

I'm quite sure the various reports they make, the hours they stay up without getting paid and whatnot are also them not going above and beyond in their job positions either.

They stay up for hours without pay? What a horrible place to work where you have to stay up without pay.

[tanknami]

simply put they do what they can when they can ! but seriously hire better Technically oriented staff would not hurt ... not flameing just saying my point of view

[lordalden]

I understand where you're coming from, but I find it hard to believe the amount of time taken to fix most of these bugs is neccessary, as back in 2007 a bug would be fixed fair quickly as opposed to now, and whats changed to cause that?

Inflation, well yeah that makes sense, but the fact that they just happen to raise prices on things needed to get past 91 is a bit suss.

And yes fun can be defined diffrently for people but im doubting many find it fun to spendd $100+ a month to grind in the one spot every single day just to get a few levels.

but personally the thing that ticks me the most, is the complete lack of acknowledgement by the GMs, excluding GM_Neko, yes occaisionally silky will post but it's normaly toned to be a smart A reply which doesn't help the relations between GM and player.

A common reply here is "hire more Staff to service the game faster". The reason things seemed to go smoother back in 2007 was because Fiesta was the only game for a little while. Some of the older posters forget that quite readily for what I want to think is the sake of convenience for their point.

Even if they did hire more Staff it's likely they'd have to split the workloads one way or another. Remember, Fiesta is NOT the only game. They've got quite a few they work on, so please bear that in mind.

Demand for items that are more 'required' for level 9x+ is simply a means of approach for economics. Most businesses do that but I'm going to be the first to say I doubt everyone here protesting against OS is raising pitchforks and torches against said companies.

OS is a business, not a non-profit organization. They require funding to operate, and so host and publish Fiesta. I know it seems like they don't hear you guys, but surprisingly enough most of the changes happening are based on gameplay and suggestions for gameplay fixes. Cosmetic changes, as I've tallied from my above thread(soon to be re-opened), have been a low priority issue according to the community.

I know many people who spend more than $100 a night doing more mundane activities than playing video games. I'd say $100 a month would be far cheaper for entertainment purposes but I admit this may seem a but fanatically supportive. If you're truly concerned, give respectful and courteous feedback. It works.

I've said this many many times before. Lack of acknowledgement does not mean lack of knowledge. Just because that Pizza Store doesn't write you back in e-mails when you submit feedback doesn't mean they aren't considering what you wrote.

Don't take a lack of reply as a lack of caring or a lack of knowing. That's never going to be the case and a stance of again, convenience, especially given the fact that it's almost never true. With so many people upset over Problem A or Problem B, how could they NOT know?

[dat_koolguy808]

I'm sorry, could you please enlighten me what this "good thing about the game" is?
LOL yes.. please enlighten us

[Spankle]

It is an entirely free to play game. Any purchases made are by your own desire to do so. It may be more difficult at higher levels, but difficult =/= impossible. Remember, even in the case of "nearly impossible" that it's STILL possible.

Lol okay its "F2P" but you forget the big BUT~

If you want to pvp at a decent level you have to pay~HAVE to. Crit suits/extenders dominate pvp.

Ask people levelling at 9x how many use 100% exp boost card/bot, its almost everyone. Why? Because OS design it that way to make us pay for playing. All the "F2P" stamp does is make it more attractive to play for new people, not that there isn't an indirect subscription.

I really don't care what OS call themselves.

They know people want to be successful at this game and design it so the only way to gain that is through the cash shop. You are trying to say it is our fault for playing this game with success in mind that we get into the spark cash problem. But who wants to put so much time into something only to end up with a mediocre/useless character? Evidence by the game players itself says this doesn't happen, and of course OS knows that. Thus no subscription. That doesn't mean we aren't being obligated to pay.

[lordalden]

Yeah, but the obvious problem here is that they're not addressing the issue.

As I've said in some earlier posts, some of the greatest player concerns have been regarding gameplay issues, which they've been working on recently. Don't forget this isn't 2007. There's a ton more people playing Fiesta. It's harder to keep up with huge volumes of players, and it's exceedingly easy to compare one time to another, although it's vastly inaccurate all the time.

Every MMO has this problem. After servers get swamped with users there's no real sense of overall stability that can be had. New servers open up, but without players migrating that forces retention on servers, which, you guessed it, leads to inevitable lag.

It's because of this that I hope a server transfer service does come along eventually, so that hopefully there is some player migration, allowing for less new-comers to bog down on servers who currently have great player retention values, like Teva or Apoline for instance.

They stay up for hours without pay? What a horrible place to work where you have to stay up without pay.

They may not necessarily get paid for it. Believe it or not, but I don't think I've yet met the Staff member who didn't love helping you guys.

Edit:

Lol okay its "F2P" but you forget the big BUT~

If you want to pvp at a decent level you have to pay~HAVE to. Crit suits/extenders dominate pvp.

Ask people levelling at 9x how many use 100% exp boost card/bot, its almost everyone. Why? Because OS design it that way to make us pay for playing. All the "F2P" stamp does is make it more attractive to play for new people, not that there isn't and indirect subscription.

I really don't care what OS call themselves.

They know people want to be successful at this game and design it so the only way to gain that is through the cash shop. You are trying to say it is our fault for playing this game with success in mind that we get into the spark cash problem. But who wants to put so much time into something only to end up with a mediocre/useless character? Evidence by the game players itself says this doesn't happen, and of course OS knows that. Thus no subscription. That doesn't mean we aren't being obligated to pay.

Interestingly enough on the PvP idea of things. Most of the people you "have" to buy charms and the like for, are using them themselves. That means they paid for a service and to completely, 100% stand on even ground, you have to do the same. No one's forcing them to, but they do so for enjoyment, or whatever other reasons they may have. You would also be doing the same.

Also, I've yet to be convinced that you 100%, without ANY doubt NEED sparkcash to level from 9x+. If even ONE person manages to do it, then the crux of arguement for 'needing' Sparkcash at 9x+ is entirely thwarted. I can't begin to believe that it's not possible when it hinges on one person to prove that theory wrong.

[Hemmes]

Well you cant blame em for making it hard to reach the next cap. If it was too easy ppl would complain aswell. Besides, if you make it to 105, youll just sit there waiting for the next cap raise. In time (i hope) they will make it more doable.

[dirtywolf]

They stay up for hours without pay? What a horrible place to work where you have to stay up without pay.

its called a salary job you get flat pay no matter the hours you work quite common

[Sybraton]

Seriously dude...You DC like 1000000times before you can change a map and you say to yourself 'Yes yes they are doing their job properly. They OSM.' ...And you still say this after you keep DC for another week till next patch, which fixes lag and brings new bugs?



This is not always outsparks fault. The only time i found myself dc'ing was on da 18th-20th June when they had the bug which they repaired with the emergency maintainence. It probably is your own system which is causing this problem or it cud be ur isp.

Also how many threads have you seen saying "Thank you Outspark".
And like lordalden said :

New content brings new problems, constantly. Every company, every last one, that puts out an MMO has this come up. I will promise you now without a shadow of a doubt that this happens with every last one.

I mean look at the multiple threads people come up with all the ranting and what not. For once start to appreciate outspark staff for the effort they put up just to fix everything. Its not like they decide that a bug must come in with every patch and deliberately do it so that they can enjoy the drama on the forum rofl. So w/e to that :D

[ilium]

i also want to note, that i asked [GM]Sking right after the Uruga fix for a Guild Name Change item and a fix for the Master Reward from Holy Promise.

When i read the patch notes i was like: :eek:

im pretty sure, that this is coincidence, but it was funny tho! :D

[akariii]

i hope you people get something by kissing os you know what =D

[veriante]

We can lvl without SC? cause... um.... from what I found... I GET MURDERED by mobs if i'm unextended.... and uncookied if i wanna get some grinding done... not to mention not enhancing items would have me on the floor the moment i entered TOS or TM.... Oh, and um... HAVE YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED at 9x and 10x? because if you have.... then you would know that without an exp card... especially since the quests only give 10% of exp u need to lvl, it would be all left to grinding... which by the way, already is at 5% an hour (with an AMAZING party and COOKIES)... which means without exp card it would be at 2.5% an hour... and without teva... likely to leave you at - exp than + ....

perhaps you would like to rethink your response. Don't insult us and our intelligence. More... we know OS is a business. That's the very reason we are providing thhem with these responses. Because we're telling them what BUSINESS SENSE is. <Portion removed.>

[lordalden]

We can lvl without SC? cause... um.... from what I found... I GET MURDERED by mobs if i'm unextended.... and uncookied if i wanna get some grinding done... not to mention not enhancing items would have me on the floor the moment i entered TOS or TM.... Oh, and um... HAVE YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED at 9x and 10x? because if you have.... then you would know that without an exp card... especially since the quests only give 10% of exp u need to lvl, it would be all left to grinding... which by the way, already is at 5% an hour (with an AMAZING party and COOKIES)... which means without exp card it would be at 2.5% an hour... and without teva... likely to leave you at - exp than + ....

perhaps you would like to rethink your response. Don't insult us and our intelligence. More... we know OS is a business. That's the very reason we are providing thhem with these responses. Because we're telling them what BUSINESS SENSE is. <portion removed.>

Insulting you or other users is far from my intent, and I apologize if it seems that way, but I honestly can't budge from my viewpoint of seeing the "levelling 9x+ is impossible without SC" as being incorrect if it hinges on one out of the vast array of 9x+ players out there. If one person was able to do it, then that makes it no longer impossible and/or mandatory, merely very difficult.

Also, I'm going to have to ask that you please do not use an insult as a means to get your message across, as this violates our Forum Policies.

[Spankle]

Interestingly enough on the PvP idea of things. Most of the people you "have" to buy charms and the like for, are using them themselves. That means they paid for a service and to completely, 100% stand on even ground, you have to do the same. No one's forcing them to, but they do so for enjoyment, or whatever other reasons they may have. You would also be doing the same.

Also, I've yet to be convinced that you 100%, without ANY doubt NEED sparkcash to level from 9x+. If even ONE person manages to do it, then the crux of arguement for 'needing' Sparkcash at 9x+ is entirely thwarted. I can't begin to believe that it's not possible when it hinges on one person to prove that theory wrong.

With respect, all this tells me is you don't play the game/play the game and have a life outside it. If I hadn't played to 95 I could easily have a view like yours I'm sure.

[Sybraton]

Lol okay its "F2P" but you forget the big BUT~

If you want to pvp at a decent level you have to pay~HAVE to. Crit suits/extenders dominate pvp.



No one forces you to pvp. Its ment for fun and for some its to prove to others that they are strong. you DONT HAVE ti get crit suits/extenders.
If you wish to ,so called, "Dominate" pvp and buy all the above stuff then you cant question outspark about its F2P.

There are non sc users(Like me) who goes to pvp just for the fun of it. And you dont see me complaining about others dominating pvp do u?? Change your mindset. If you always look to find the bad in something then that's the only thing you will find. On the other side if you can overlook the negative and jus look at the positive then you wont have any reason to complain.

As far as the lvling problem you just got to live with it. If you one person can level in the 9x the anyone can if you put your mind to it. Enough Said. :D

[gqboy52]

well yeah, i guess you CAN level without SC. it would just take 2 years of hardcore playing to get from 90-105. youd just have to kill a few mobs max at a time and hope that lag doesnt kill you and make you lose millions of exp that you just spent hours getting.

[Jobo7]

I would like to meet a player that had joined Fiesta since Closed Beta and still defends the game like these players are that haven't even played Fiesta for a year.

[Shinrikidu]

We can lvl without SC? cause... um.... from what I found... I GET MURDERED by mobs if i'm unextended.... and uncookied if i wanna get some grinding done... not to mention not enhancing items would have me on the floor the moment i entered TOS or TM.... Oh, and um... HAVE YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED at 9x and 10x? because if you have.... then you would know that without an exp card... especially since the quests only give 10% of exp u need to lvl, it would be all left to grinding... which by the way, already is at 5% an hour (with an AMAZING party and COOKIES)... which means without exp card it would be at 2.5% an hour... and without teva... likely to leave you at - exp than + ....

perhaps you would like to rethink your response. Don't insult us and our intelligence. More... we know OS is a business. That's the very reason we are providing thhem with these responses. Because we're telling them what BUSINESS SENSE is... because obviously, they left their business brains behind back when the game started.

I agree with her.....I think that a lot of these CLs don't know what really is going on in the game.....I have NEVER seen a CL grinding....the day I see them grinding next to me will be the day I respect what the say towards lvling from 9x and above without sc.

[Asheer]

i hope you people get something by kissing os you know what =D

I tought once that Outspark should start to give title "Defender of Outspark Innocence" :D.

[lordalden]

I agree with her.....I think that a lot of these CLs don't know what really is going on in the game.....I have NEVER seen a CL grinding....the day I see them grinding next to me will be the day I respect what the say towards lvling from 9x and above without sc.

In current times, I do not. I grinded back when 59 was the cap and before the CS was released. Ah, the fun of grinding Orcs in AoE parties for a measly 0.2% per 6+ mob pull.

[EchoSound]

In current times, I do not. I grinded back when 59 was the cap and before the CS was released. Ah, the fun of grinding Orcs in AoE parties for a measly 0.2% per 6+ mob pull.

lol that brings back memories @_@ I remember going to grind pixies in my 30's/40's. I think a lot of high levels forget just how hard leveling was back then, and are absolutely spoiled by all the repeaters we've been given. Either that, or they're the newer players. :/ which is very sad.

[Canboy]

.2% for 6 is better than .05 for 20 ToS boss room mobs ._.

[xNimue]

Insulting you or other users is far from my intent, and I apologize if it seems that way, but I honestly can't budge from my viewpoint of seeing the "levelling 9x+ is impossible without SC" as being incorrect if it hinges on one out of the vast array of 9x+ players out there. If one person was able to do it, then that makes it no longer impossible and/or mandatory, merely very difficult.

Also, I'm going to have to ask that you please do not use an insult as a means to get your message across, as this violates our Forum Policies.


Alden, what level is your highest levelled character?

[shihouinkyouhei]

I don't think you've spent as much time as a single person who has bothered to grind out there in Swamp of Dawn, Temple of Spirit or Alberstol Ruins, LordAlden.

Please enlighten us as to what level your character is and the last time you played four or more hours to level.

[veriante]

In current times, I do not. I grinded back when 59 was the cap and before the CS was released. Ah, the fun of grinding Orcs in AoE parties for a measly 0.2% per 6+ mob pull.

Perhaps you should play?
If you can get a mage to 105 in a month without SC or a cleric... I will aplaude you and shut up.

and what was so insulting about OS and their business sense being abandoned? It contained no swear words or any insults other than a personal opinion. I thought we were in a world of freedom of expression.... but then perhaps not ?

[Zanec]

I was just going to not have any input but then I scrolled through General Discussion and saw the plague that has befallen us.

My god, so many of those effing threads. They need to STFU already. Idk why they can't understand that it doesn't change a thing. People having been complaining about SC prices for a long time, and the prices still go up.

OS can charge however much they want because there is nowhere else you can buy these items.

[Spankle]

In current times, I do not. I grinded back when 59 was the cap and before the CS was released. Ah, the fun of grinding Orcs in AoE parties for a measly 0.2% per 6+ mob pull.

Well...measly has a whole different meaning now ;/

[lordalden]

lol that brings back memories @_@ I remember going to grind pixies in my 30's/40's. I think a lot of high levels forget just how hard leveling was back then, and are absolutely spoiled by all the repeaters we've been given. Either that, or they're the newer players. :/ which is very sad.

You may be right. I remember it was tough. When I dinged 45 I was like "Oh yeah! Mage time! Whoo!"

.2% for 6 is better than .05 for 20 ToS boss room mobs ._.

It was probably a lot less, but generally speaking a game doesn't get easier as you get higher up in levels. That goes against most design considerations for developers. As you get stronger, the enemies get even stronger, and it gets harder and harder on you. I honestly can't think of a game that gets less difficult or remains entirely equal throughout all levels, and I've played a ton of em.

[shihouinkyouhei]

My god, so many of those effing threads. They need to STFU already. Idk why they can't understand that it doesn't change a thing. People having been complaining about SC prices for a long time, and the prices still go up.

OS can charge however much they want because there is nowhere else you can buy these items.

Well then, if they charge too much. I will simply turn and move to another game. It's that simple.

[Canboy]

You may be right. I remember it was tough. When I dinged 45 I was like "Oh yeah! Mage time! Whoo!"



It was probably a lot less, but generally speaking a game doesn't get easier as you get higher up in levels. That goes against most design considerations for developers. As you get stronger, the enemies get even stronger, and it gets harder and harder on you. I honestly can't think of a game that gets less difficult or remains entirely equal throughout all levels, and I've played a ton of em.

Indeed it doesn't get easier, but that 20 is with 2 tanks 70% cookied, about 8mobs si they're not, then comes the dying of my poor little mage :/ which knowcks me down to about .7% exp per hour. Which becomes stupid after a while. And thats in the best grinding spot available.

[fujisyuusuke01]

Alden, what level is your highest levelled character?

i am also quite curious, what is your highest leveled character?

[EchoSound]

You may be right. I remember it was tough. When I dinged 45 I was like "Oh yeah! Mage time! Whoo!"

XD Darn straight! My cleric hit 47 a couple months before cap raise to 79 just by grinding on ancient stonies in FoS with two mages. THAT was the toughest thing I've ever had to do. Especially since the possibility of a +9 was just introduced like that month.

[lordalden]

Alden, what level is your highest levelled character?

I don't think you've spent as much time as a single person who has bothered to grind out there in Swamp of Dawn, Temple of Spirit or Alberstol Ruins, LordAlden.

Please enlighten us as to what level your character is and the last time you played four or more hours to level.

To answer both of the above in one shot: I fail to see what level my character is pertains to the topic of levelling difficulties. This is an arguement tactic that I must say I won't engage in further because I don't feel it's going to really change the fact that "If one person can level in 9x+ without SC it's no longer impossible" nor change what meaning or impact my previous words would have had, or do now.

Perhaps you should play?
If you can get a mage to 105 in a month without SC or a cleric... I will aplaude you and shut up.

and what was so insulting about OS and their business sense being abandoned? It contained no swear words or any insults other than a personal opinion. I thought we were in a world of freedom of expression.... but then perhaps not ?

Telling someone they left their brains behind is an insult to their intelligence one way or another. Regardless of how you feel they're doing things, that's an insult. I understand your concern but insulting is not an effective feedback method, nor an accepted one on the forums.

[xNimue]

Not replying then? Not 9x? You don't have the experience to back up your statements. Get 10x without sc and then say you don't need sc to cap.

[Asheer]

I thought we were in a world of freedom of expression.... but then perhaps not ?

My sister also tought that as well... until she get banned from forum without even a word explanation why.

@Alden.

Did you consider a political career?
because right now you sound like those politicans witch will do everything but not give straight answer for a simple question.

[lordalden]

Indeed it doesn't get easier, but that 20 is with 2 tanks 70% cookied, about 8mobs si they're not, then comes the dying of my poor little mage :/ which knowcks me down to about .7% exp per hour. Which becomes stupid after a while. And thats in the best grinding spot available.

I'm not saying I don't sympathize with your hardships. By all means I'd rather see things get fixed so it's not as bad. I of course would rather see it remain difficult, but maybe not so much as what's interpretated on the forums.

However, the typical means for venting these kinds of frustrations is rarely objective nor helpful, but usually one of those "OS fails" posts or any deviation on that basic formula.

That's not something that inherently tells the what you want. True, users have posted objective ideas based on the current status, but about 90% of those that I've read have masked that feedback intention with some personal vendetta or otherwise harassing nature message.

As I've said: Feedback, criticism, suggestions are welcome, but chances are strong that even if your message is wondrous, data filled, and topped with cheesecakey goodness, if there's content in it that breaks the forum rules or harasses them or other users, it's generally going to be overlooked by virtue of that.

Not saying you have, but I figure saying this again may do some good.

[lordalden]

Not replying then? Not 9x? You don't have the experience to back up your statements. Get 10x without sc and then say you don't need sc to cap.

That's the main reason why I disagree with that arguement based tactic, which I've already brought forth a counter-arguement for long before you asked me my level.

If a single user uses no SC and can level in the 9x+ range, then by virtue of that the 'necessity' for SC in those levels is no longer a 'necessity' but a high priority desire on the part of the user.

[veriante]

you are labelling what we are doing as feedback and criticism and suggestions to be insulting .... so... how are we supposed to express our opinions? after all, one person's definition of colour blue can be aqua or violet depending on their view. you are silencing our opinions.

[Shinrikidu]

Lordalden........who do you know that has hit 100 without SC????

WHO???

no one.......and I can honestly tell you that I believe that no one is going to hit 100 with SC and I can guarantee that.

[fujisyuusuke01]

Lordalden........who do you know that has hit 100 without SC????

WHO???

no one.......and I can honestly tell you that I believe that no one is going to hit 100 with SC and I can guarantee that.

NOBODY will ever hit 100 without using SC unless they take 200 million years

[doi2in]

OS doesn't fail. They made a good business move to raise the price of items needed to level at 9x+. Way more expensive extenders, more expensive charms, and enhancements. Maybe since the servers fail and so does the customer support they can get more people to spend sc to buy these items at 9x+. I can't even begin to explain how many people have quit or are starting to quit.

All these small changes are making people want to play less and less. Maybe the increase in prices is balancing out for the players that are no longer playing/charing sc.

[lordalden]

you are labelling what we are doing as feedback and criticism and suggestions to be insulting .... so... how are we supposed to express our opinions? after all, one person's definition of colour blue can be aqua or violet depending on their view. you are silencing our opinions.

Your post in it's entirety, minus one part of a sentence was intact. Were I silencing your opinion this entire thread, and other similar ones would be gone. I'm actually here discussing matters with you as peacefully as I can, trying to clear up misconceptions, and get an understanding of your viewpoints.

Although nonetheless I accept your criticisms of my activity and ask that you submit a CSR Ticket regarding future concerns so that my actions may be investigated and given proper consideration.

Lordalden........who do you know that has hit 100 without SC????

WHO???

no one.......and I can honestly tell you that I believe that no one is going to hit 100 with SC and I can guarantee that.

I don't know anyone, but I'm not going to discredit the possibility based on testimony either. Just because someone to date hasn't come forward doesn't mean they haven't madeit up in those levels without it.

I'm not about to say it's altogether likely, but I'd rather take the consideration of greater possibility that one out of a million(guess) users could do it, rather than saying everyone couldn't.

[Asheer]

OK... Guys it's time to cool down because i sense incoming close up for this thread(and not from the hands of CLs to be honest).

[Jsonthegreat]

Your post in it's entirety, minus one part of a sentence was intact. Were I silencing your opinion this entire thread, and other similar ones would be gone. I'm actually here discussing matters with you as peacefully as I can, trying to clear up misconceptions, and get an understanding of your viewpoints.\

LORDALDEN DO YOU EVEN WORK FOR OS? Answer this.

[xNimue]

That's the main reason why I disagree with that arguement based tactic, which I've already brought forth a counter-arguement for long before you asked me my level.

If a single user uses no SC and can level in the 9x+ range, then by virtue of that the 'necessity' for SC in those levels is no longer a 'necessity' but a high priority desire on the part of the user.

Alden, do you know how much exp is needed to hit 105? From 104 to 105 you need 950 mil experience. And remember, that's not counting the exp you need to hit 104, 103, 102, 101, 100. Have you seen the exp these mobs give you without exp card? No, you most likely haven't. And you're welcome to disagree with my 'argument based tactic' or whatever the hell you call it, but I'm still just going to say you don't have the experience to talk about levelling at 9x.

[lordalden]

\

LORDALDEN DO YOU EVEN WORK FOR OS? Answer this.

CL's are Volunteer's. I merely bring it upon myself to actually discuss matters with you guys in which you are concerned, and bring it to Outspark. I'm very persistent about it, too.

Alden, do you know how much exp is needed to hit 105? From 104 to 105 you need 950 mil experience. And remember, that's not counting the exp you need to hit 104, 103, 102, 101, 100. Have you seen the exp these mobs give you without exp card? No, you most likely haven't. And you're welcome to disagree with my 'argument based tactic' or whatever the hell you call it, but I'm still just going to say you don't have the experience to talk about levelling at 9x.

I understand completely, but I consider myself a man of logic, and the odds of one person out of a great many accomplishing a difficult feat(the majority vote among the community is in a general consensus for 9x+ being difficult without SC items, rather than the more understandable 1xx+) is far greater than every last one being 100% unable to do so. I'm not inclined to believe the latter, but I will accept it if it comes to be.

[akariii]

i my self quit my 91 lvl fighter cos i cant lvl it without using sc is impossible to do so i will not spend 100$ on this game to lvl is ridiculous .

[Jsonthegreat]

CL's are Volunteer's. I merely bring it upon myself to actually discuss matters with you guys in which you are concerned, and bring it to Outspark. I'm very persistent about it, too.

Quit acting like your some big ear or hope for understanding between the players and the OS! Your a joke !

[EchoSound]

Alden, do you know how much exp is needed to hit 105? From 104 to 105 you need 950 mil experience. And remember, that's not counting the exp you need to hit 104, 103, 102, 101, 100. Have you seen the exp these mobs give you without exp card? No, you most likely haven't. And you're welcome to disagree with my 'argument based tactic' or whatever the hell you call it, but I'm still just going to say you don't have the experience to talk about levelling at 9x.

Hey. He may not know what it's like in the higher levels (assuming), but he does know what it's like to play the game without SC when quests weren't even enough to give 50% of a level. Hell, just by the comments he's given it seems he remembers BEFORE SC was even introduced. Which only leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea just how bloody hard that time was for ALL fiestians. Its the exact same equivalent as getting those higher levels now using SC. So... please. Stop with that crappy argument?

[DF001]

I wonder who the OP thinks that he is to tell us what we should do.

[pipdy0719]

come on. u played until 59 cap BEFORE SC was released as u said. DUDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CS NOW JUS SO U KNOW. we gamers, played until lvl 9x. and next to the primary os staff, we, know how the games run. cos we're in it, we experience all the issues what's happening in game. that's the reason why we complain and voice out our opinions. and WHY WE ASK FOR UR LVL? cos lvl 59 cap is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM REACHING 105 CAP jus so u know. and yes its true every game doesnt get easier in higher lvls WHICH FORCES PPL TO BUY SC ITEMS. and os staff knows WHAT ITEMS ARE NEEDED IN GAME and u point those things out as A NEED by raising the prices- thus gaining funds. dont u think its a better perspective if OS puts back "normal" prices and gain customers for its "affordability" (sigh) rather than losing customers and making up for the loss by increasing the prices. come one we know its business.

AND YES NEW CONTENTS BRING PROBLEMS, BUGS, ETC, but patches ARE MEANT TO BE TESTED BEFORE its out. what? make us become testers? how nice of u. and cash shops increase prices every year? have u counted how many times u increased prices each year. geez.

fiesta is F2P?? or rip you off to play?

P.S. jus a lot of bull in you r posts to be honest. correct me if im wrong but isnt one of your tasks to report these issues to the "authorities"? well, just please do. cos ur arguements fail. and idk why u are making it sound as a simple matter. come on. u know what i mean dont act dumb. and idk why u keep talking as if u know EVERYTHING OR A LOT ABOUT GAME ISSUES. u dont even have the experience of lvling 9x-10x. ur arguement/ "discussion of the matter" just fails. shut it.

[xNimue]

Hey. He may not know what it's like in the higher levels (assuming), but he does know what it's like to play the game without SC when quests weren't even enough to give 50% of a level. Hell, just by the comments he's given it seems he remembers BEFORE SC was even introduced. Which only leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea just how bloody hard that time was for ALL fiestians. Its the exact same equivalent as getting those higher levels now using SC. So... please. Stop with that crappy argument?

You also don't know about 10x. Try getting to it and then you can tell me to 'Stop with that crappy argument?'

[Jsonthegreat]

come on. u played until 59 cap BEFORE SC was released as u said. DUDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CS NOW JUS SO U KNOW. we gamers, played until lvl 9x. and next to the primary os staff, we, know how the games run. cos we're in it, we experience all the issues what's happening in game. that's the reason why we complain and voice out our opinions. and WHY WE ASK FOR UR LVL? cos lvl 59 cap is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM REACHING 105 CAP jus so u know. and yes its true every game doesnt get easier in higher lvls WHICH FORCES PPL TO BUY SC ITEMS. and os staff knows WHAT ITEMS ARE NEEDED IN GAME and u point those things out as A NEED by raising the prices- thus gaining funds. dont u think its a better perspective if OS puts back "normal" prices and gain customers for its "affordability" (sigh) rather than losing customers and making up for the loss by increasing the prices. come one we know its business.

AND YES NEW CONTENTS BRING PROBLEMS, BUGS, ETC, but patches ARE MEANT TO BE TESTED BEFORE its out. what? make us become testers? how nice of u. and cash shops increase prices every year? have u counted how many times u increased prices each year. geez.

fiesta is F2P?? or rip you off to play?

P.S. jus a lot of bull in you r posts to be honest. correct me if im wrong but isnt one of your tasks to report these issues to the "authorities"? well, just please do. cos ur arguements fail. and idk why u are making it sound as a simple matter. come on. u know what i mean dont act dumb. and idk why u keep talking as if u know EVERYTHING OR A LOT ABOUT GAME ISSUES. u dont even have the experience of lvling 9x-10x. ur arguement/ "discussion of the matter" just fails. shut it.

uuh,, what?

[EchoSound]

You also don't know about 10x. Try getting to it and then you can tell me to 'Stop with that crappy argument?'

Maa. Grinding is still grinding no matter the level or exp needed. And so what if I don't know what 1xx is like - does that mean that I don't understand it at all? No, because I've been where you are at much harder times. It took me nearly three months to get to even 30 when fiesta started OB. Back then SC wasn't around, and all we had was Uruga and AEW for the hardcore grinders. There was no abyss. There was no crit suits or exp cards. There was no extenders or charms. Hell, there wasn't even a beauty coupon back then. The cash shop was just a pretty show of emptiness and "coming soon".

So please. Don't say "you don't understand" because its' obvious that it's you who doesn't understand. :/

[michchar]

Pffffft You guys first say "how are we insulting Lordalden" then next moment you start typing in all caps, challenging him and all that kind of stuff. Guys, I know you are frustrated with the rising SC prices and OS progressively making the game worse and worse, but you are not getting anything done! if you dont treat him with respect, why does he need to bring your whining to OS?

And to the challenges about the xp card: it doubles your xp, effectively halving the time it takes to level (not counting quests or KQs)
If it takes about 3 months for some guy to reach the current level cap from the previous level cap (3 months is actually too high of an estimation imho) then it takes less than 6 months for the same guy to reach the level cap (cause most xp will be from repeats and xp card doesnt affect quests)

and considering some addicts got there in like 2 months, they probably could do it in < 4 months without xp boost.

[lordalden]

Pffffft You guys first say "how are we insulting Lordalden" then next moment you start typing in all caps, challenging him and all that kind of stuff. Guys, I know you are frustrated with the rising SC prices and OS progressively making the game worse and worse, but you are not getting anything done! if you dont treat him with respect, why does he need to bring your whining to OS?

And to the challenges about the xp card: it doubles your xp, effectively halving the time it takes to level (not counting quests or KQs)
If it takes about 3 months for some guy to reach the current level cap from the previous level cap (3 months is actually too high of an estimation imho) then it takes less than 6 months for the same guy to reach the level cap (cause most xp will be from repeats and xp card doesnt affect quests)

and considering some addicts got there in like 2 months, they probably could do it in < 4 months without xp boost.

Despite any disrespect seen thrown at me(of which I don't consider much here to be that), I regard all input equally. Just figured I'd throw that in there before too many people think criticising me means I won't consider and pass on your ideas.

[Plushii]

Fiesta is to good to quit.

Unfortunally OS fails.
They could let their players know how they do things, let players have input, just interact with us.

They ignore us.

[pipdy0719]

uuh,, what?

im quoting lordalden. this has nothing to do with u too. if u dont understand then stop quoting my post. probably too young for u to understand too.

[Jsonthegreat]

Despite any disrespect seen thrown at me(of which I don't consider much here to be that), I regard all input equally. Just figured I'd throw that in there before too many people think criticising me means I won't consider and pass on your ideas.

Can we pass along our ideas without you doing it for us?

[lordalden]

Can we pass along our ideas without you doing it for us?

Of course. I'm probably just a great deal more persistent.

[saru_watari]

I'm sorry, could you please enlighten me what this "good thing about the game" is?

That they actually provide the game for you to play. You'd become completely isolated in your room for months had they just deleted the game.

[Daevor]

Maa. Grinding is still grinding no matter the level or exp needed. And so what if I don't know what 1xx is like - does that mean that I don't understand it at all? No, because I've been where you are at much harder times. It took me nearly three months to get to even 30 when fiesta started OB. Back then SC wasn't around, and all we had was Uruga and AEW for the hardcore grinders. There was no abyss. There was no crit suits or exp cards. There was no extenders or charms. Hell, there wasn't even a beauty coupon back then. The cash shop was just a pretty show of emptiness and "coming soon".

So please. Don't say "you don't understand" because its' obvious that it's you who doesn't understand. :/

LOL, this very post of your's demonstrates your lack of understand. Allow me to explain.

How many (yellow, orange or red) mobs that you can party-AoE, at your golden level of 30, do you need to kill to gain 1% towards level 31?
Now, do a little research (you didn't think I was going to spoonfeed you? :p) and find out how many mobs you need to kill at, say, level 98 to gain 1%, and what the chances are of dying due to utter boredom/lag/other glitches before you even gain 1%. See my point? (If not, think about this some more, and if you still don't get it, ask a few 9x+ players).

That they actually provide the game for you to play. You'd become completely isolated in your room for months had they just deleted the game.

Nope, we'd find another game whose attraction isn't just its 3d chat room aspect...

[ninja_frogz]

If I had the money, I'd be paying for a game that requires monthly payments as everyone would b equal. None of this buying a load of shop items for an advantage over others who cannot purchase them. :3

A game like that would require more skill as everyone would hav to start from scratch with the same resources. Unlike Fiesta, where ppl can buy sc items to convert their real life money into game money or buy items like charms and outfits for stat advantages...


Wat's WOW like?!

[Jsonthegreat]

Of course. I'm probably just a great deal more persistent.

Who are you, to say you are any more persistent than any of us! We are doing our best to make this game a better place! Please stop patronizing us and simply let us vent our frustrations!

[lordalden]

Who are you, to say you are any more persistent than any of us! We are doing our best to make this game a better place! Please stop patronizing us and simply let us vent our frustrations!

Probably was the key word. I'm giving plenty of room for myself to be wrong, and if I am, then I humbly apologize. I never attempt to patronize, nor is it my objective to do so indirectly.

[Jsonthegreat]

Probably was the key word. I'm giving plenty of room for myself to be wrong, and if I am, then I humbly apologize. I never attempt to patronize, nor is it my objective to do so indirectly.

You didn't sound like you we're giving yourself "plenty of room" to be wrong advice when you made this comment.

Of course. I'm probably just a great deal more persistent.

Your just blowing everybody off, and you dont even work for OS!!! !

[xNimue]

Maa. Grinding is still grinding no matter the level or exp needed. And so what if I don't know what 1xx is like - does that mean that I don't understand it at all? No, because I've been where you are at much harder times. It took me nearly three months to get to even 30 when fiesta started OB. Back then SC wasn't around, and all we had was Uruga and AEW for the hardcore grinders. There was no abyss. There was no crit suits or exp cards. There was no extenders or charms. Hell, there wasn't even a beauty coupon back then. The cash shop was just a pretty show of emptiness and "coming soon".

So please. Don't say "you don't understand" because its' obvious that it's you who doesn't understand. :/


LOL, this very post of your's demonstrates your lack of understand. Allow me to explain.

How many (yellow, orange or red) mobs that you can party-AoE, at your golden level of 30, do you need to kill to gain 1% towards level 31?
Now, do a little research (you didn't think I was going to spoonfeed you? :p) and find out how many mobs you need to kill at, say, level 98 to gain 1%, and what the chances are of dying due to utter boredom/lag/other glitches before you even gain 1%. See my point? (If not, think about this some more, and if you still don't get it, ask a few 9x+ players).


Let me give you figures of grinding at 9x at the black bears spot in Alberstol Ruins, which will be one of the main AOE grind spots when more people hit 95+. Each bear gives you around 20k in duo at 9x WITH an experience boost card. Now, from 99 to 100 you need around 300 million exp to level. Doesn't sound so bad right? Now, if you divide 300 million by 20k, the number you get is 15k. You have to kill 15 thousand black bears to level. And, if you've gone to that site and tried to aoe, you know that they hit very hard.

Now you should know that as you level the experience you gain from the bears decreases. At 104, the bears only give 16k and you need 950 million to level. So that means you have to kill 59,375 black bears to level and on average you can only really pull 16 bears per pull. That's 3,711 pulls to level. Then once you've pulled all those bears you need to kill them. Uncookied, unextended mages cannot kill that many bears without dying in three seconds, no matter what your defence or how much damage you do uncookied.

Now, think about doing that without an experience boost. That means you have to kill 118,750 black bears to level from 104 to 105. Think about how many black bears you have to kill in total from 91 to 105.

You may understand grinding, but you don't seem to understand the amount of grinding that is required.

[lordalden]

You didn't sound like you we're giving yourself "plenty of room" to be wrong advice when you made this comment.



Your just blowing everybody off, and you dont even work for OS!!! !

If you feel uncomfortable with what I do or otherwise, I encourage you to submit a CSR Ticket regarding my status and how I present myself. I willingly accept punishment, and demand it to be fair to those concerned with my activities.

Also, I've never blown off any individual. I've never once given thought to consider lacking regard for the suggestions, feedback, or criticism others have. I seek to improve upon it if it can be improved, and rough out edges.

You're more than welcome to spend time looking through my post history if you feel I'm telling you a lie though.

[pikafanisvocal]

There's a limit to what the community leader can do. Sure, he can pass on whatever everyone thinks are issues to his higher-ups, but ultimately the higher-ups are the ones who decides what direction the game is going; and in this case, south.

If anyone wants to complain/suggest/speak/whine directly to Outspark, it's called SUPPORT; they gave you a contact form. Stop whining to the innocent and totally unrelated parties, in this case Lordalden. He's kind enough to lend a listening ear, and he sounds to me like he is sincere about passing on what we think and feel Fiesta should be.

But ultimately, if the decision-makers for Fiesta decides NOT to follow the suggestions that the CL gives, then the ones we should target are them, not the messengers.

Blame the right people for the right thing. No use blaming the broom for not cooking your food.

[Jsonthegreat]

If you feel uncomfortable with what I do or otherwise, I encourage you to submit a CSR Ticket regarding my status and how I present myself. I willingly accept punishment, and demand it to be fair to those concerned with my activities.

Also, I've never blown off any individual. I've never once given thought to consider lacking regard for the suggestions, feedback, or criticism others have. I seek to improve upon it if it can be improved, and rough out edges.

You're more than welcome to spend time looking through my post history if you feel I'm telling you a lie though.

If I feel uncomfortable? Your a joke Alden.... OS is in a Crisis and you jumped on your computer without pay and decided to save the day in the name of OS!!! hA...

[xNimue]

There's a limit to what the community leader can do. Sure, he can pass on whatever everyone thinks are issues to his higher-ups, but ultimately the higher-ups are the ones who decides what direction the game is going; and in this case, south.

If anyone wants to complain/suggest/speak/whine directly to Outspark, it's called SUPPORT; they gave you a contact form. Stop whining to the innocent and totally unrelated parties, in this case Lordalden. He's kind enough to lend a listening ear, and he sounds to me like he is sincere about passing on what we think and feel Fiesta should be.

But ultimately, if the decision-makers for Fiesta decides NOT to follow the suggestions that the CL gives, then the ones we should target are them, not the messengers.

Blame the right people for the right thing. No use blaming the broom for not cooking your food.


We get automated responses such as:

'Dear xxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Outspark Customer Support!

Thank you for your feedback on this issue. We will pass it along to the appropriate personnel for their review. Your input is appreciated in this matter.

Regards,

CSR xxxxx
Customer Support'

And yet whilst the automated message says it'll be put for their review, we don't seem to see any improvements being made. At least, not any improvements that don't come with more problems that need to be solved.

[lordalden]

We get automated responses such as:

'Dear xxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Outspark Customer Support!

Thank you for your feedback on this issue. We will pass it along to the appropriate personnel for their review. Your input is appreciated in this matter.

Regards,

CSR xxxxx
Customer Support'

As I have said earlier in this thread, or the other one I posted in(not sure which atm), PFR's(Pre-Formatted Replies/Responses) help to mitigate time spent on making individual replies, and so help them get through things faster. Even if you get sent a PFR there is no proof floating around that the ideas don't get considered, so I'm not inclined to believe the manner of their reply impacts their viewing of the feedback.

If it's a support based matter rather than turning in feedback, that could be another story depending on if the reply sent back was for that particular topic or not, but that I would most likely assume to be a human error.

Edit: Again, your ideas not being used doesn't mean they're not considered. That's a stance that's brought up all too often. If the game was improved 100% directly by player consideration we'd have Ninja's, Naruto, Gaara, Ichigo, level 1 Hellgait's with level 200 stats and the like going around. Even if the idea isn't that wonderful, that doesn't mean it's not looked at.

[pikafanisvocal]

We get automated responses such as:

'Dear xxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Outspark Customer Support!

Thank you for your feedback on this issue. We will pass it along to the appropriate personnel for their review. Your input is appreciated in this matter.

Regards,

CSR xxxxx
Customer Support'

But you guys aren't happy with Lordalden. If automated responses ticks you guys off, and non-automated responses do the same, isn't it the community's problem rather than the individual?

[lordalden]

But you guys aren't happy with Lordalden. If automated responses ticks you guys off, and non-automated responses do the same, isn't it the community's problem rather than the individual?

They're more upset as it stands with features of the game being buggy, glitchy, or otherwise seemingly prejudiced against balanced and fair gameplay, for what it's worth in the purpose of informing. At this point I'm not inclined to believe their frustration with myself, other CL's, or the CSR system is the main point for their concern at this time.

[pikafanisvocal]

If I feel uncomfortable? Your a joke Alden.... OS is in a Crisis and you jumped on your computer without pay and decided to save the day in the name of OS!!! hA...

Fact 1 : Shameless people don't feel uncomfortable about spouting logical fallacies and ad hominems. Try to formulate an argument that isn't worse than the standards of what elementary school kids are capable of.

Fact 2 : Lordalden is attempting to contribute to Fiesta in a constructive way, i.e. providing an alternative form of communication between the community and the decision makers of Fiesta. You are attempting to insult and blame Lordalden for the failings of Fiesta, when he is simply the messenger and the proxy. If you think being immature helps solve problems, by all means, go ahead, trying to stop little kids from being little kids never work anyway, if anything they will throw the most rebellious tantrum they can cough out.

[pikafanisvocal]

They're more upset as it stands with features of the game being buggy, glitchy, or otherwise seemingly prejudiced against balanced and fair gameplay, for what it's worth in the purpose of informing. At this point I'm not inclined to believe their frustration with myself, other CL's, or the CSR system is the main point for their concern at this time.

Of course. I am also frustrated with the lack of game balance, but I know not to vent it on the people who are NOT responsible for it, you for instance.

[xNimue]

We're not venting at the CL's in particlar, I understand that Alden is trying to tame the growing anger on this forum, but we're venting to the GM's. Alden is just letting himself get in the cross fire. See the other thread regarding GM and staff responses for more details.

[lordalden]

We're not venting at the CL's in particlar, I understand that Alden is trying to tame the growing anger on this forum, but we're venting to the GM's. Alden is just letting himself get in the cross fire. See the other thread regarding GM and staff responses for more details.

A vivid interpretation, but I rather consider myself helping you guys be heard by using the appropriate methods and trying to discuss it with you. The more I understand your point of view, the easier it is for me to ensure your feedback can be constructed in a way helpful to the game, objective to those wanting to sort it out(if it's a workable idea), and thus gets processed that much faster.

I'm not too concerned with any stray bullets that hit me though. I've got a great med plan: Kevlar. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[Jsonthegreat]

As I have said earlier in this thread, or the other one I posted in(not sure which atm), PFR's(Pre-Formatted Replies/Responses) help to mitigate time spent on making individual replies, and so help them get through things faster. Even if you get sent a PFR there is no proof floating around that the ideas don't get considered, so I'm not inclined to believe the manner of their reply impacts their viewing of the feedback.

If it's a support based matter rather than turning in feedback, that could be another story depending on if the reply sent back was for that particular topic or not, but that I would most likely assume to be a human error.

Edit: Again, your ideas not being used doesn't mean they're not considered. That's a stance that's brought up all too often. If the game was improved 100% directly by player consideration we'd have Ninja's, Naruto, Gaara, Ichigo, level 1 Hellgait's with level 200 stats and the like going around. Even if the idea isn't that wonderful, that doesn't mean it's not looked at.

Alden, you make it sound as though you are important in the struggle between OS and whats right for consumers.... for your not.

[xNimue]

A vivid interpretation, but I rather consider myself helping you guys be heard by using the appropriate methods and trying to discuss it with you. The more I understand your point of view, the easier it is for me to ensure your feedback can be constructed in a way helpful to the game, objective to those wanting to sort it out(if it's a workable idea), and thus gets processed that much faster.

I'm not too concerned with any stray bullets that hit me though. I've got a great med plan: Kevlar. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

You want to understand our point of view? I'll give you my point of view.


I was a good paying customer of Outspark. I used to invest heavily in your cash shop and despite the prices that made me flinch IRL, I still paid. However, when the bugs and constant issues continue to grow steadily worse, I reached the end of my tether.

I spent a great deal of money cash shopping out, enhancing and pretty much preparing to level my archer to cap. You may think I'm sad, but w/e. Now, I started out fine for a week or so, but then lag started affecting the game. Unbearable lag. Lag that archers cannot kite through. I tried, in vain, to level without constantly dying, losing scrolls and wasting time on my time limited cash shop items, but to no avail. I tried cookies to work through the lag, and still the same. How on earth are we meant to PLAY through that?

KQs not working, horrendous lag spikes, unbalanced gears, constant disconnecting, terrible customer service where the issues that WE want addressed are ignored. I can understand that not all of the bugs in game are Outspark's fault or within their control, but you don't seem to be pressuring OnsOnSoft enough for better quality patches. So what if there is a language barrier? Get a better translator! You're getting paid by the cash shop using customers of this game, so why aren't you using that money to invest in making your game better so that more people are likely to stay and continue spending money?

To top it all off, you increase the price of your cash shop items instead of lowering it as good business sense dictates. This is an insult to Outspark's players, and frankly I've had enough. There are better games with better customer service, better gameplay and better value for money on their cash shop items. Which is why I have quit until Outspark and OnsOnSoft get their freaking acts together. I have better games to spend my money on.

[Jsonthegreat]

They're more upset as it stands with features of the game being buggy, glitchy, or otherwise seemingly prejudiced against balanced and fair gameplay, for what it's worth in the purpose of informing. At this point I'm not inclined to believe their frustration with myself, other CL's, or the CSR system is the main point for their concern at this time.


Alden, you dont even work for outspark and you attempt to make yourself feel important. hooow does that go?

[CCL225]

You all are throwing everything at alden when he can do nothing but listen to you all. He is trying his best here.

Another point, I have to agree with OP. One thing I am sure, if you dont care, you wouldnt be angry about OS. You will just leave the game.

Regarding the bugs/lags/whatever, I am pretty sure they are trying out their best there, and to whatever you all are upset about/thinking about, I am sure you have your reasons too. What I would like to do now is that I hope to extend my request to everyone, stop flaming at OS, for this will affect other players, and it's not fair. Imagine after 1yr, you are still playing fiesta, but people who were affected because of your rage, people who are new, people who didnt know what was wrong and felt OS is incompetent/lazy bunch of people/whatever, and this cause a negative word of mouth for OS, and it's not very nice to do business like that.

Seriously, I have a question, did you all wish for OS to be better or just close shop?????

Because in my opinion, while you all use your way to want to make OS better, you are trying to force it to close down too.

I am sorry if the bugs/lag/whatever hits many of you, seriously, I am upset with the lag and all, but I still believe they are trying their best. You dont see GMs fooling around in Fiesta anymore do you???? It could mean they are working seriously behind the scene. Please give them the benefit of doubts.

I believe in time to come, OS will only be better due to us players. There are many other ways to feedback other than whining, flaming and complaining. =D

[Jsonthegreat]

alden is so dumb

[Aeriex]

Kay Mae.
Bye then :]

[Sybraton]

jsons petty attempts to get attention :D which hes not so continue with the insults

[Bueawa]

alden is so dumb

He does not directly work for OS, but it's his job to watch over forums, and explain to people like you, how the situation really is.

[Jsonthegreat]

He does not directly work for OS, but it's his job to watch over forums, and explain to people like you, how the situation really is.

So hes gay but on a whole newer level ? ?? :-D

[Asheer]

So hes gay but on a whole newer level ? ?? :-D

Please be carefull how you post otherwise you earn "pretty" word banned under your name.
You may ask under what rule?, i tell you... under "Staff Harassment" rule made by certain GM here.

[Jsonthegreat]

Please be carefull how you post otherwise you earn "pretty" word banned under your name.
You may ask under what rule?, i tell you... under "Staff Harassment" rule made by certain GM here.

sorry
I meant "gai" sorrrrrrrrrrrrrry!

[Bueawa]

Hm.... I hope for your sake that someone's on your account and are posting those stuff, because you'll surely be banned. Go mock of some gangsters around ya neighborhood, I'm sick of listenin to your crap.

[Jsonthegreat]

I'm not here to be an ***, I'm sorry if I came off that way, but Sir Alden has been acting as though he is your secretary to official OS.... when in fact he is a volenteer 23 year old who lives in his mothers basement.

[mighty.king]

That is still no reason to come into the forums and harass him like you continue to do so.

[Jsonthegreat]

That is still no reason to come into the forums and harass him like you continue to do so.

Okay, you are right. I am sorry Alden. I will let you piece together that parts of a man you can still find, and I will let you be. I am sorry Lance... 8-D

[alcatraz2k0]

What the OP is saying is not rocket science. I have been playing Fiesta long enough to know that the management is not great by any stretch of the imagination but I am sure the people at OS are trying their best in their varying capacities. Having said that, their best might not be good for most people, so dissatisfied customers would understandably complain as is their right.

I can tolerate people creating threads to initiate discussion on a particular issue or problem but what I find annoying is people who create threads and whine about how much OS fails or how much the game sucks. This really annoys me because most of the people who whine about everything as opposed to raising these issues in a constructive way still play the game.

Every consumer has the freedom to choose and if you have any issues with the game to the point that you are angry, dissatisfied, frustrated and so on, the solution is simple, find another game to play.

[yohannbiimu]

Stop Playing....

Seriously just quit, the never ending stream of threads that just make the forums cluttered get annoying and old...

Go play WoW or something....

Go do anything else anywhere else, just stop the complaining about everything that's wrong and think about what is good with the game.

If you can't do that just quit...


OS is loving you right now. Why don't you apply to be part of their business promotion staff? Really.

I'll bet you love our fascist Federal government rule too...

[Dragonfly77]

I like Fiesta..it's a fun game and has a great community. But the game is broken, and pointing out that a customer is not satisfied with their product is only constructive criticism. (except for whining threads that do nothing but whine. Everyone hates those)

Sure, maybe os can't do everything; they aren't the producers of Fiesta, but they're supposed to make sure the game runs smoothly and do what they can in their power. They do a pretty good job with answering to requests. We asked for an official statement of bugs and glitches, Nekopon set up a thread. Silky and Joker are haunting the forums, popping up and answering questions. They did fix a chunk of lag.

But the game is still bugged up and unbalanced. And I think patches are only supposed to fix bugs, and not make new ones. O.o