My turn to voice my opinion

[ryan_3701]

Ok, I know it costs money to support the servers and pay all you OS employees. BUT COME ON!! Are you serious! Do i trully have to pay soooo much money for SC items?? Ok, now you boasted of having 2,000,000 + players! YAY! congrats! now if everyone of us idiots bought just $1 of SC you have already made 2,000,000+ on this game and I know it did not cost that much to produce this game, nor that much to run it. Now i know that not all those players buy SC. But look at the number of people wearing SC clothes or riding SC mounts and you will see the $$$ building up for OS.

Well, since you have already turned a profit OS how about giving us paying customers a little more for our dam money. How about for the same price i pay for a 30 day xp card... how about you make that a 60 day, or god forbid a 90 day. How about making more permanent items that are actually as good as the limited ones so that i dont feel like i am wasting my money at the end of the day. Look at my records and you will see that i have spent more money on this dam game then i have spent on all the games i have ever owned in MY ENTIRE LIFE! But besides my great friends and the rest of the community, what do i truly have to show for all that money? For that money i could have bought stock in your company and at least then i could see some positive come out of my investment.

Why am I so stupid to keep playing this game and paying the outrageous prices for something that will expire and leave me with nothing? I think you truly need to think about your prices more closely and seriously make huge reductions. I truly believe that you would make MORE money if you severely lowered the prices so that even the people who cant buy much SC could regularly get stuff. Considering that you are selling fake items that have no real value at all, and are only bits on a server somewhere you could maybe sell them cheaper. I mean seriously, if everyone could buy a 30 day xp card for $1 then you could potentially have another 2 mil from one SC item. Like WOW! just one item! Woot!

Also, here are some suggestions...

~Make a permanent Crit suit that has real crit! Like sell me a suit that has 7% crit for the same price as the 30 Day! Woot! Or if you cant let go of the cash flow the 30 days bring in, then give me a 60 day or even that 90 day for the SAME price as the 30 day. Now that would be nice as a customer to see.

~Make a party warp item. What i mean is whoever is carrying this item would be able to summon the other party members to him. This should be allowed for all areas as long as all the members of the party are within the level limits of the map or dungeon. Make it have a 1 hour cool down. This could be very useful for party grinding and make it more enjoyable for us to level because we can get to and from the spot easier.

~Reconsider you enhancing in this game. It is way too expensive and a completely unfair system. You say you do it this way to make the items more rare, but they are not rare at all. There is a +9 in almost every shroom store in the game. So your argument for it to be rare is null. How about instead making material based that you get as drops. And you have to pay SC for the "tools" to merge or enhance these materials to your weapons. Sell a hammer, forge, and anvil in the store so we can just automatically enhance the weapons. Make the materials drops and/or things you have to make with your production skills. Make the materials rarer as the + level gets higher. Make each type material level based, like you need this item to make your weapon +1, this item to make it +2... etc. Hey, its just an idea. Any other system is better then a random system. I just dont think it is worth the amount of money you need to spend to get to +9. RETHINK THE SYSTEM!

~Just overall, I would like to get more for my money. I am a constant customer. I have faithfully bought SC. I just want to get a lot more for my money. It is the only fair thing to do.

~Allowing us to have more permanent personal storage would be really sweet too. Maybe, buying another iron case could give us another 2 pages of inv space :D It would help for us Comper/Decompers ;p

[missdeena]

i thought iron case did give u 2 extra pages making a total of 4 pages in all

[ahtai]

i thought iron case did give u 2 extra pages making a total of 4 pages in all

yes but not enough need 6 pages if you do production. And the other version have 6 pages. :mad: Implement it.

[ryan_3701]

i thought iron case did give u 2 extra pages making a total of 4 pages in all

I did mean 2 additional pages on top of the 4. Sorry, should have been clearer. :confused:

[missdeena]

oh im with you.....then they should make a perm extra 2 slots for town storages

[Plushii]

~Reconsider you enhancing in this game. It is way too expensive and a completely unfair system.

uhhu =D

a T4 item +9 will average cost you 40 dollar.
(I was very unlucky and had to spend over 60 dollar for a lvl 86 hat)

Now T5 items :D
My guess is around 100 dollar to get a T5 item +9

[DF001]

A swimsuit on this game is 5$. I believe I could buy a swimsuit for 5$.

[bigj3234]

I would totally buy another Iron Case to get 6 pages on my decomp char. I would also buy a permanent box to increase storage.

In general, items seem to cost too much, but I really only buy house and tycoon, with the recent habit of crit suits, and like, 6 liberty mounts lmao.

This game is fun for me w/out extenders, cookies, charms, cs pots and the like.

[zipiouch]

im kind of mad at the essentials T.T

[ahtai]

Actually I like extender more expensive, people will need to start putting END stat and less heart attack for us clerics.

[ryan_3701]

I'm changing my thought on the enhancing thing... screw it, dont change the system if you dont want to... add a 100% to +9 item... Make it a flat fee to +9 a weapon.

Like for...
T1 weapons pay $5
T2 weapons pay $8
T3 weapons pay $12
T4 weapons pay $18
T5 weapons pay $25

I would rather pay the flat fee and get my item to +9 automatically, then buy 50-60 dollars worth of eyes, miles and whatever and HOPE it makes it to +9 by then. I know then there is a max amount i would have to pay for ONE!!!!!! weapon in a game!

[Stacey]

I thought that iron case would also give us extra slots in our vendor, too. Apparently not, and I felt ripped off. I guess I should've read in between the lines or asked someone first. >.< XD

As far as the enhancing goes, yes it would be nice if it was cheaper to enhance. Just about every I see has a +9 now-- It's not rare anymore and I must be the only one who doesn't lol. But unfortunately, I don't think they'll increase the chances. It's all about the $$$ But I do like their effort for trying to communicate more with us.

[Dthugtherealist]

Auto +9 would be nice just get one enhancement stone put in the wep and bam +9 :D Also increase the in game chances to like 50% so at least some one can have all +6 gear or something. As for enhancing yea it is too expensive I probably won't ever make a +9 for my self until I get a job ~_~ like for a fighter 5-7+9's is like 150$ w.t.f.???? (just estimating xD).

About the cookie pack nobody ever really buys that for the clothes and watever else is in there they want the cookies so disassemble the pak and make the 50% charm of mights maybe 2k SC a stak. I bet the sales will be way higher I know so many people that would get like 20k SC worth of staks of 50% charm of might.

Also yea they need to lower the price of certain things or extend the time limit of it. Exp boost card price is too crazy I would buy it for that price if it was 60 or 90 days. The 30 day stuff needs to be 60 or 90 day. Also some one mention this before in another thread customizable 3 stated perm suits I think it would be a perfect idea like 25% crit/dmg/def O.o would be very nice.

[Takimi]

~Allowing us to have more permanent personal storage would be really sweet too. Maybe, buying another iron case could give us another 2 pages of inv space :D It would help for us Comper/Decompers ;p

I maxed my Comp/Decomp on only 2 pages of inventory. You're just spoiled with 4.

[Jsonthegreat]

I maxed my Comp/Decomp on only 2 pages of inventory. You're just spoiled with 4.


I'm sorry but its hard to be like you :-(

[CM_Oracle]

Yes I edited your topic title.

You're more than allowed to voice your opinions, especially when you bring constructive criticism to the table. It's listened to a lot more than blatant flaming. I like the content of your message, but have a problem with the topic title.

Thanks for your feedback though. :)

[Sepheera]

Normally duplicate threads annoy the heck out of me, but I must admit that this one time I don't mind. Maybe it's because this is an issue that concerns real money.

I'm trying to point out on every thread like this that the majority of players are either children, or young adults still in school with a limited amount of disposable income. (A recent poll demonstrated this.) So OS's raise in prices in the sc store is quite likely more than their market can bear; which will only spell trouble in the long run.

If people on any kind of budget are put in the postion of having to choose between paying an ever rising, therefore uncertain amount of money on a game every month in order to accomplish their goals and have balanced gameplay, or switch to a game with a monthly fee that gives them the same basic benefits without the extra expense every month, it's only going to be a matter of time before economic reality forces them to move on; no matter how much they love Fiesta.

When dealing with a market such as this it makes far more business sense to concentrate on making profits from bulk sales at a lower price, than risking a complete profit nose dive by alienating their already existing client base. And I don't think the game, as it exists, can attract a large enough audience with pockets deep enough to compensate for such a loss, anytime soon. Incidently, I also consider it a poor business decision to try and implement these kinds of changes when there have been a particularly high number of gaming problems lately.

[ryan_3701]

Normally duplicate threads annoy the heck out of me, but I must admit that this one time I don't mind. Maybe it's because this is an issue that concerns real money.

I'm trying to point out on every thread like this that the majority of players are either children, or young adults still in school with a limited amount of disposable income. (A recent poll demonstrated this.) So OS's raise in prices in the sc store is quite likely more than their market can bear; which will only spell trouble in the long run.

If people on any kind of budget are put in the postion of having to choose between paying an ever rising, therefore uncertain amount of money on a game every month in order to accomplish their goals and have balanced gameplay, or switch to a game with a monthly fee that gives them the same basic benefits without the extra expense every month, it's only going to be a matter of time before economic reality forces them to move on; no matter how much they love Fiesta.

When dealing with a market such as this it makes far more business sense to concentrate on making profits from bulk sales at a lower price, than risking a complete profit nose dive by alienating their already existing client base. And I don't think the game, as it exists, can attract a large enough audience with pockets deep enough to compensate for such a loss, anytime soon. Incidently, I also consider it a poor business decision to try and implement these kinds of changes when there have been a particularly high number of gaming problems lately.

I completely agree with you. I have a decent job and i have a little bit of expendable cash to spend every month. For a while there i was buying a ridiculous amount of SC which made no sense to me once i pulled back from it and realized i was being an idiot. Now i am on a monthly "budget" of SC because i truly do love this game for some ungodly reason. Even though i have many many better games in my possession or within reach. I know mainly it is the community and my friends/guildies, but i dont spend ALL my time chatting considering i have a 93 mage ;p So its not a bad game if they can keep up on the bug fixes ~like my = not working for my hot keys and you guys telling me its my setting lmao! even though it works for everything EXCEPT for your in game hot keys see... ========= <---- working = key :D~ and keep adding content that would make the game interesting. PM we can discuss some ideas to keep this game fresh for goodness sake.

Anyways, as i was getting to, I would just like to get more for the money. I cant raise my budget so i can get the same stuff i get EVERY month. And with your price changes i would have to do that. That is not fair to me as a customer to do that, especially when your "product" is only code on the server and is not costing you anymore money now that its there. Blah blah with the running costs and development costs... thats just crazy talk... you know you have made a tom off this game. GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE! Seriously, hook a gamer up. I am NOT talking about 20% some random item every week either... thats not a deal. How about completely slashing you prices across the board. How about making the essential items i buy more affordable almost along the lines of a subscription charge... you know being able to get my extenders/xp cards/rations etc. for like 15-20 dollars a month. not $80...

Ok lets break down the things i include in my budget... (no enhancing included)
Charm bundle: 3081
xp boost 100%: 16285 (seriously! $23 just for this???)
Hp/Sp extender 50% (30 days): 7245
Hunters war rant (30 days): 5245
Tough cookie pack (assuming i only need one for the month): 4895
Storage pack (gotta have the tycoon and extra storage): 3675
Leveling Pack: 8745
Rations (if i need them ~ i try not to use my mount for everything): 1680
Mighty Helm (30 days): 1745
Invisible Suit (30 days... hey im a mage any extra def is always taken by me :D): 2545

Grand total: 55141 SC
Total Cost USD: about $78 per month!!! wow i am an idiot!

Is it truly necessary to have this stuff be so expensive??? Like i said i buy the stuff because i have the extra money every month... and if i sell a drawing! Watch out SC stocking up! lol I just feel bad for the people who cant afford it. The people who would love to have Teva or an XP boost card and cant afford it! They want to spend their money with you but you make it nearly impossible for them to do that effectively.

The community as a whole would love to see the bugs fixed right away... emergency maintenance sucks to have but if i come back to the game after a couple hours of waiting and the bugs are gone! I'm in luv wit an OS! You know bugs like marriage summons CD not being 5 seconds but 1.5 hours or whatever it is now! WHOO!! better hope my IG wifey doesnt need a summon somewhere within that time! Or how about gate DC... or lag... or KQ dc on loading screen... or SC items not working (oh wait my bad you do fix those pretty fast never mind)

I would prolly spend my budget faster if i could get more stuff with it. But at this point i have to go through my little shopping list and cut it in half. OMG! I forgot, im gonna be 95 soon that means im gonna have to probably charge about $150 to enhance my 95 gears and my 96 hat!! *bangs his head against the keyboard* why am i so dumb??? I can buy 3 games for that and have everything INCLUDED in them! That is considering i just enhanced an 85 BK and it took about $50! So if i get that same luck again... that will suck... I may just officially quit the game and then you can kiss about $150 a month good bye.

Just as a friendly disclosure to the people who think i may not have a right to complain... Since 9-8-2008 i have spent (estimated cause my calculator skills might be off from adding from my transaction screen) about $2180 on this game. So, i would think that gives me EVERY right to DEMAND more for that money! I am 32 years old and i am a huge gamer and i dont mind spending money on a "hobby" especially since i have it. But i would also like to see more from my investment. I would like to see more Permanent items in my inventory. I would like to see MORE INVENTORY SPACE! Seriously, i truly did not realize i spent so much *sighs* I guess when you are addicted you are crazy! pfft... 2180... my gawd *** was i thinking *starts looking for a new game* I think i am outta here unless things change...

Nice knowing the lot of ya...

*walks away shaking his head* are you serious ryan... *** were you thinking you idot *starts mumbling incoherently* stupid.. OS... Rip off... ***...

[veriante]

Hm... since my thread and my opinions had been deleted from the thread, I am going to use this opportunity Ryan provided to voice my opinions.

The amount of SC we are required to spend in order to fully take advantage of the game is becoming ridiculous. I voiced the opinion in a thread calling for other players of the same mind frame as mine petitioning through refusing to buy SC until the game becomes worth it. My thread, as you may realise, has been deleted. I haven't received an explanation as for why it was deleted or... any sort of response.

I am okay with spending money for entertainment. I really am. God knows how much I spent on this game and until recently, quite happily too. Then the lag and ridiculous customer services started and now I'm finally for the first time, starting to think this isn't worth the amount of money i'm spending per month. So, the question comes to this...

why doesn't OS make it worth our money? why don't they make the game worth spending 7k just to be extended? I am happy to be spending that much if i can actually play it... considering the lag and amount of dc, i can't actually even play comfortably.

Fix that and I will be happily splurging SC on myself!

and STOP SILENCING OUR OPINIONS just because you don't want to hear it!

[YoshimaruOrona]

yes but not enough need 6 pages if you do production. And the other version have 6 pages. :mad: Implement it.

Lolwut?

If you need more space, do the following:

~Make more alt characters to hold space (if you have less than 4 atm)
~Put your alts that you aren't leveling in a guild and use the guild storage for extra space
~Get iron case on those alts if the space STILL isn't enough

Personally, I've had 4 chars (2 pages on each) and my storage for the past 16 months. I've had space issues, but never "needed" to expand my invo or storage. And no, I haven't tried using guild storage for extra space yet.

Maxed decomp, t3 scrolls, t3 pots, t4 composition, and t2 stone.

And you guys can't handle 4 pages, because of alchemy? Come on now.

[GM_Nekopon]

We're not silencing you. Talk, we're listening.

[veriante]

We're not silencing you. Talk, we're listening.

lol thanks Nekopon...

but having your threads deleted without a warning or a reason being provided feel very much like silencing, especially since there was no insults or completely rude behaviour etc going on in the thread as far as i saw it before it disappeared.

[Plushii]

After reading this thread I think I might have spend 2000 dollar or more as well in a year o.o ...ummm yeh this has to stop ^^;; Tell Silky to lower the sc prices please, he's in charge ne? it's getting rediculous. People will buy sc, but when the prices raise to high they'll quit.

[A_geezy]

Ok, I know it costs money to support the servers and pay all you OS employees. BUT COME ON!! Are you serious! Do i trully have to pay soooo much money for SC items?? Ok, now you boasted of having 2,000,000 + players! YAY! congrats! now if everyone of us idiots bought just $1 of SC you have already made 2,000,000+ on this game and I know it did not cost that much to produce this game, nor that much to run it. Now i know that not all those players buy SC. But look at the number of people wearing SC clothes or riding SC mounts and you will see the $$$ building up for OS.

Well, since you have already turned a profit OS how about giving us paying customers a little more for our dam money. How about for the same price i pay for a 30 day xp card... how about you make that a 60 day, or god forbid a 90 day. How about making more permanent items that are actually as good as the limited ones so that i dont feel like i am wasting my money at the end of the day. Look at my records and you will see that i have spent more money on this dam game then i have spent on all the games i have ever owned in MY ENTIRE LIFE! But besides my great friends and the rest of the community, what do i truly have to show for all that money? For that money i could have bought stock in your company and at least then i could see some positive come out of my investment.

Why am I so stupid to keep playing this game and paying the outrageous prices for something that will expire and leave me with nothing? I think you truly need to think about your prices more closely and seriously make huge reductions. I truly believe that you would make MORE money if you severely lowered the prices so that even the people who cant buy much SC could regularly get stuff. Considering that you are selling fake items that have no real value at all, and are only bits on a server somewhere you could maybe sell them cheaper. I mean seriously, if everyone could buy a 30 day xp card for $1 then you could potentially have another 2 mil from one SC item. Like WOW! just one item! Woot!

Also, here are some suggestions...

~Make a permanent Crit suit that has real crit! Like sell me a suit that has 7% crit for the same price as the 30 Day! Woot! Or if you cant let go of the cash flow the 30 days bring in, then give me a 60 day or even that 90 day for the SAME price as the 30 day. Now that would be nice as a customer to see.

~Make a party warp item. What i mean is whoever is carrying this item would be able to summon the other party members to him. This should be allowed for all areas as long as all the members of the party are within the level limits of the map or dungeon. Make it have a 1 hour cool down. This could be very useful for party grinding and make it more enjoyable for us to level because we can get to and from the spot easier.

~Reconsider you enhancing in this game. It is way too expensive and a completely unfair system. You say you do it this way to make the items more rare, but they are not rare at all. There is a +9 in almost every shroom store in the game. So your argument for it to be rare is null. How about instead making material based that you get as drops. And you have to pay SC for the "tools" to merge or enhance these materials to your weapons. Sell a hammer, forge, and anvil in the store so we can just automatically enhance the weapons. Make the materials drops and/or things you have to make with your production skills. Make the materials rarer as the + level gets higher. Make each type material level based, like you need this item to make your weapon +1, this item to make it +2... etc. Hey, its just an idea. Any other system is better then a random system. I just dont think it is worth the amount of money you need to spend to get to +9. RETHINK THE SYSTEM!

~Just overall, I would like to get more for my money. I am a constant customer. I have faithfully bought SC. I just want to get a lot more for my money. It is the only fair thing to do.

~Allowing us to have more permanent personal storage would be really sweet too. Maybe, buying another iron case could give us another 2 pages of inv space :D It would help for us Comper/Decompers ;p

Oh noez! the wall of redundant babbling text is crushing me :rolleyes:

[xNimue]

Oh noez! the wall of redundant babbling text is crushing me :rolleyes:

Oh noes! A person with nothing better to say!

[CM_Oracle]

lol thanks Nekopon...

but having your threads deleted without a warning or a reason being provided feel very much like silencing, especially since there was no insults or completely rude behaviour etc going on in the thread as far as i saw it before it disappeared.

Threads typically don't disappear without good reason.
What you may feel like was no insults or completely rude behavior may not be how we see.
Or it may have been trending that way, or possibly erupted into flames that you didn't get a chance to see. (I'm speculating here)

If we wanted to silence you guys, we'd set the forums up to where every single post had to go through a moderator before it was posted and we'd severely limit your posting rights. Meaning you wouldn't be able to create new threads, etc.

Instead we let you guys express your opinions, good or bad, and we respond. We are listening, hence Neko's and my presence in this thread.

[caliab]

Why am I so stupid to keep playing this game and paying the outrageous prices for something that will expire and leave me with nothing? I think you truly need to think about your prices more closely and seriously make huge reductions. I truly believe that you would make MORE money if you severely lowered the prices so that even the people who cant buy much SC could regularly get stuff. Considering that you are selling fake items that have no real value at all, and are only bits on a server somewhere you could maybe sell them cheaper. I mean seriously, if everyone could buy a 30 day xp card for $1 then you could potentially have another 2 mil from one SC item. Like WOW! just one item! Woot!

Also, here are some suggestions...
~Reconsider you enhancing in this game. It is way too expensive and a completely unfair system. You say you do it this way to make the items more rare, but they are not rare at all. There is a +9 in almost every shroom store in the game. So your argument for it to be rare is null. How about instead making material based that you get as drops. And you have to pay SC for the "tools" to merge or enhance these materials to your weapons. Sell a hammer, forge, and anvil in the store so we can just automatically enhance the weapons. Make the materials drops and/or things you have to make with your production skills. Make the materials rarer as the + level gets higher. Make each type material level based, like you need this item to make your weapon +1, this item to make it +2... etc. Hey, its just an idea. Any other system is better then a random system. I just dont think it is worth the amount of money you need to spend to get to +9. RETHINK THE SYSTEM!

~Just overall, I would like to get more for my money. I am a constant customer. I have faithfully bought SC. I just want to get a lot more for my money. It is the only fair thing to do.

~Allowing us to have more permanent personal storage would be really sweet too. Maybe, buying another iron case could give us another 2 pages of inv space :D It would help for us Comper/Decompers ;p

I'm changing my thought on the enhancing thing... screw it, dont change the system if you dont want to... add a 100% to +9 item... Make it a flat fee to +9 a weapon.

Like for...
T1 weapons pay $5
T2 weapons pay $8
T3 weapons pay $12
T4 weapons pay $18
T5 weapons pay $25

I would rather pay the flat fee and get my item to +9 automatically, then buy 50-60 dollars worth of eyes, miles and whatever and HOPE it makes it to +9 by then. I know then there is a max amount i would have to pay for ONE!!!!!! weapon in a game!

*claps* Thank you for making points I've thought about myself.
I love Fiesta. I wouldn't have spent nearly two grand over the course of a year on this game if I didn't (I assume $2,000 because I got tired of counting up my transaction history after $1400). I don't mind the prices currently in the cash shop. Not the nicest, but I don't mind.
The ONE thing I am very upset by however is the Enhancement process and I think your flat-rate idea is very good.

Cash shop items are used to either save time in-game (exp boost, teva, mounts), increasing ability to make more in-game currency (shop expansion, kings touch and war rant), be stronger (crit suits, charms, pots, extenders, pets), or aesthetics (normal suits, beauty coupon, gender change).
Enhancements however drive me crazy! Some people get "lucky" and can escape enhancing t4 after only spending $40 and how does enhancing costs balance that? By someone else getting "unlucky" and having to spend $60 or more. :( Real fair. I am SOOOOO willing to spend more money on a flat rate type of deal than have to take the risk of being "unlucky." People would then have a sense of relief that what they spend at a set price (100% Upgrade) is what they are going to get.

My stance on the price however is different from yours. I'm not concerned with t1-t3 at this point but I will say...I would be willing to buy a flat-rate enhance to +9 item at t4 for $40 or even $50 so long as it takes away from the guessing game. "Luck" a.k.a taking a gamble is a business ploy. Customers so engrossed in the "maybe this next try will work" mentality that they don't even realize how much money it adds up to in total. I don't blame OS for doing it. I'm merely BEGGING they take mercy and let me give them a ton of my money in a non-gambling way.

As for the concept of lowering prices so more people would be able to buy SC and increase profit overall...here's another bonus...
How many people complain every single day on forums that the game is imbalanced especially due to charms, extenders, etc? If the prices were lowered and more people could afford to buy those charms and whatnot then PVP aspect would give skilled, usual non-sc users a chance to stand up to the PKers. If most of the people in FBZ are charmed then the only thing separating them is skills. And PVE would reap the normal benefits of buying a SC item to make gameplay easier, quicker, etc.

[YoshimaruOrona]

Threads typically don't disappear without good reason.
What you may feel like was no insults or completely rude behavior may not be how we see.
Or it may have been trending that way, or possibly erupted into flames that you didn't get a chance to see. (I'm speculating here)

If we wanted to silence you guys, we'd set the forums up to where every single post had to go through a moderator before it was posted and we'd severely limit your posting rights. Meaning you wouldn't be able to create new threads, etc.

Instead we let you guys express your opinions, good or bad, and we respond. We are listening, hence Neko's and my presence in this thread.

If you don't mind, may I PM you with a question regarding disappearing threads? It has no bearing on this thread/discussion, it was just a question I've had on my mind for a while now ._.

[Tamlinari]

I got out a calculator and I have determined that I have really spent a lot in the cash shop lately.
I have to buy a Blessing of Teva every month because I get killed by hooligans in the abyss just about every time I go in there.
Even if they are not guarding the entrance when I go in they are usually there when I try to leave.

Ok, so a Blessing of Teva every month is not too bad but then I have to buy pots of HP potions as backup because the stone count is so low for a Mage.
Then there are extenders which make my characters life as a Mage a little more manageable.

So that right there is about $50 a month.

I really hate the way they merchandise the stuff too because I can't just buy a Blessing of Teva for $10, noooo I have to buy $15 worth of spark cash to buy it.

To enhance my weapon to +9 is about another $30. (now it is more)
If I want to enhance anything else it is of course another $30 or more.

The price of a costume has gone up so I can't afford that anymore.
Luckily I have permanent outfits for my characters. (I wish that was still available) but I would like to change it every now and then.

Everything else that may be fun is priced too high now and it just keeps going up.

No wonder people aren't buying as much as they used to.

Higher Prices = Less Sales

And after all, how much does it actually cost Outspark to produce those items that are sold in the cash shop.
Nothing I think.

I have to cut back on my spending in the game too especially the way the economy is now.

[Takimi]

I'm sure your flat-rate idea is all well and grand, but what about those of use who make our living off of T4 stones? About 1/3 of my in-game income comes from selling T4 stones. This flat-rate idea basically makes stone production useless.

I'm too poor IRL to afford the Production Reset, so starting over on say, scrolls, isn't exactly available for me. And before you say start another character, my account has been around for a while, and in the beginning, I had no idea what productions really did, I honestly thought the points were shared, so I put Stones and Pots on all 4 of my characters.

On the note of raised CS prices, yes, I have to agree. We're given a "discount" (they take off like 500sc off of an item) on an expensive item. Let's use the Iron Case for example. It was 12,500 for a long time. Actually, since I can't access my past purchase history of more than a month or so, I can't tell you what I originally bought it for, but I know it was 12,500-700sc or so. It's 12,495 now. Wow, such a discount!

And why can't you gift reset scrolls? Because you want every account to buy spark cash. Isn't it enough that someone buys them? Buy them, gift them, item's STILL bought. I can tell the License Clear went down in price, but nothing else really has. If I could afford Spark Cash, I'd buy probably 5-7 License Clears to get rid of stupid licenses on my weapons added by idiots. But I can't.

And you can't gift them either. For such a cheap item, you'd think it wouldn't matter if it's giftable or not?

[caliab]

I'm sure your flat-rate idea is all well and grand, but what about those of use who make our living off of T4 stones? About 1/3 of my in-game income comes from selling T4 stones. This flat-rate idea basically makes stone production useless.

I'm too poor IRL to afford the Production Reset, so starting over on say, scrolls, isn't exactly available for me. And before you say start another character, my account has been around for a while, and in the beginning, I had no idea what productions really did, I honestly thought the points were shared, so I put Stones and Pots on all 4 of my characters.

On the note of raised CS prices, yes, I have to agree. We're given a "discount" (they take off like 500sc off of an item) on an expensive item. Let's use the Iron Case for example. It was 12,500 for a long time. Actually, since I can't access my past purchase history of more than a month or so, I can't tell you what I originally bought it for, but I know it was 12,500-700sc or so. It's 12,495 now. Wow, such a discount!

And why can't you gift reset scrolls? Because you want every account to buy spark cash. Isn't it enough that someone buys them? Buy them, gift them, item's STILL bought. I can tell the License Clear went down in price, but nothing else really has. If I could afford Spark Cash, I'd buy probably 5-7 License Clears to get rid of stupid licenses on my weapons added by idiots. But I can't.

And you can't gift them either. For such a cheap item, you'd think it wouldn't matter if it's giftable or not?



That's why I had mentioned in my post (differing from the OP's price idea) that they set the price high enough for the people willing to pay for the flat rate rather than taking a gamble...not everyone on Fiesta would be able to afford what I suggested and therefore people might still be buying the enhancement bundles and whatnot and still need all your stones you produce. Some people want prices on enhancement lowered. I want a change in the way enhancements are. I don't like spending $40-$60 and run the risk of still not getting an item to +9 which was the whole intention in the first place.
I've stopped buying enhancements altogether because the price was raised (I feel it was already at its limit) and the rate of success hasn't increased with it. So you're not getting money for your stones from me anyway so to speak or the few others who have stopped buying enhancements from the cs.

[ryan_3701]

I'm sure your flat-rate idea is all well and grand, but what about those of use who make our living off of T4 stones? About 1/3 of my in-game income comes from selling T4 stones. This flat-rate idea basically makes stone production useless.

I'm too poor IRL to afford the Production Reset, so starting over on say, scrolls, isn't exactly available for me. And before you say start another character, my account has been around for a while, and in the beginning, I had no idea what productions really did, I honestly thought the points were shared, so I put Stones and Pots on all 4 of my characters.

On the note of raised CS prices, yes, I have to agree. We're given a "discount" (they take off like 500sc off of an item) on an expensive item. Let's use the Iron Case for example. It was 12,500 for a long time. Actually, since I can't access my past purchase history of more than a month or so, I can't tell you what I originally bought it for, but I know it was 12,500-700sc or so. It's 12,495 now. Wow, such a discount!

And why can't you gift reset scrolls? Because you want every account to buy spark cash. Isn't it enough that someone buys them? Buy them, gift them, item's STILL bought. I can tell the License Clear went down in price, but nothing else really has. If I could afford Spark Cash, I'd buy probably 5-7 License Clears to get rid of stupid licenses on my weapons added by idiots. But I can't.

And you can't gift them either. For such a cheap item, you'd think it wouldn't matter if it's giftable or not?



I would never want to ruin your income from in game, and my goodness dont start a new choob if you dont want to...

How about we require you still have 3 of each stone in your inventory to make it work? Then this way you may not sell them by the stacks but you can still sell some of them :D

I am more concerned about things costing so much and not ruining the in game economy. It would really have to be balanced but i still think it needs to be a different system!

[Sepheera]

I think the idea of a flat rate enhancing fee definately has it's merits. But for the sake of not upsetting the in game economy I still believe that just lowering the price of the sc items is the way to go.

People like myself, ryan, and caliab would continue to buy miles and eyes to do our enhancing just like we used to. We might grumble under our breath when we had an unlucky streak; but we accepted the pricing system the way it was before it went up, so it's illogical to think that we'd change our habits if prices went down. OS would retain their existing (or now previous, because of the price hike) enhancement item purchasers, and even pick up new ones as it became a more affordable item. All the while this would keep the in game stone merchants flush with business.

At this point I'd be satisfied if the sc prices just went back to what they were before the increase. I'd be ecstatic if they were adjusted so that they were even lower (if only slightly) than they were before the change. It's not as if what is being sold to us is costing OS any additional money to provide due to inflation; the code is already written.

And I still believe that lesser, rather than higher pricing, would be the sounder business decision to increase profits given the economic status of the market base that's involved. The fact that we all chose a F2P vs a P2P game in the first place should be indicitive of this if nothing else. No one had an investment in the game or community when we first joined, but once we did we decided that it was reasonable to also invest a bit of money.

We don't want to sit silently by, getting frustrated, until we decide that it would be more economically responsible to just move on to another game. But you can be sure that for every one of us that's taking the time to confront the issue head on, there's a multitude of others that feel the same way, and will react accordingly.

[Cherushi]

Scanned through the thread... I still can't read much >.< (lol)

The enhancement would benefit from a bit of change in its system. I know the random factor was there via game design but it's rather ridiculous and not to mention it gets worse as item level increases which can be understandable. It's okay to have random factor but at least put a limit to how much tries at least. For example a T3 item without gold stones should have AT MOST 25 tries (hypothetical number) and with gold should have at least 15 or something. It doesn't remove the random factor but at least puts your customer at ease that they won't be spending more than XXXX amount for enhancing a weapon.

^ was Ryan's idea posted in our guild forum :) (wasn't it x.x?)

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Anyways, if OS staff are reading, the main reason so many people are disgruntled is you raise prices at inopportune moments. There has been a lot of server problems lately, not to mention the latest patch brought serious bugs to the game. In the heat of all this you increase prices on stuff that people love buying from your store? What image do you intend to project from doing these things?

I'm thankful for the decrease on prices on the costumes though Q.Q (I'm a girl I can't help but enjoy them rofl) But.. but... I also understand the frustration of most other players on these price increases. Please do reconsider them. If you would be increasing the prices of your CS items, please raise the quality of your services in-game as well. I assure you, there will be less complaining if we can see that the price increase is on par with the service we get in-game. (e.g. less lag and disconnection, more in game events, staff responsiveness.. etc)

Also lack of compensation on your part. How come you do not extend or give compensation to players who have been inconvenienced by server problems and in-game glitches? Was it their fault they were stuck in one map and can't use their character there? And yet no plans of refunding the lost time on their CS items? Where is the concern for your customers in that scenario? Is it so hard to compensate your customers in that case? These little acts are yes little, but they make a difference especially for us players who want to support you and this game.

Why don't you give the player suggestions a try? If it doesn't work, fine then. But at least you did try to listen and try out our suggestions. I believe we all just want the best for everyone here.

If you do read this, thank you ^^;

PS: It's another wall of text, so if you don't like reading it don't bother even making a comment on the post. It's just rude and impolite really. ^^; But feel free if that's what will make you happy. lol.

[vukbui1987]

Holy crap, I usually think people would only spend $5-$10/month on a game at most but $2,000+!!??!?! talk about a robbery T_T. I have these "hobbies" that you guys speak of also required quite a large amount of money such as electric guitar, acoustic guitar, amps and microphone but... at least those things are (very) useful (and real). I'm not a little kid that only get $20 a month as allowance; @ $15/hour working at Kaiser as a pharmacy tech. i could afford sc if i wanted to since i'm a college student and don't have as much bills to pay but let's be real... those items are not even real (just virtue) and it's kind of like paying someone for a good imaginary time, catch my drift?

Then again, self-control need to be implement here people. No matter how good your def. or how shiny your weapons/armors are, just ask yourself this question "Do i really need this for enjoyment?" I used to pay about $70-$100 total a while back then on a game called 2moons and now i am here 2-3 years later realizing i could've used that money to buy something more useful.

Then again, i haven't spend even a penny on this game yet, and i have a lvl 67 cleric and 64 fighter.

And to OS, the U.S economy is turning into mud so at least lower the prices a bit so it can ease the stress on the people that actually wanna buy some SC.

-Remember that there are starving kids around the world that could use that $ you people throw away for virtue items monthly!

[caliab]

People like myself, ryan, and caliab would continue to buy miles and eyes to do our enhancing just like we used to. We might grumble under our breath when we had an unlucky streak; but we accepted the pricing system the way it was before it went up, so it's illogical to think that we'd change our habits if prices went down. OS would retain their existing (or now previous, because of the price hike) enhancement item purchasers, and even pick up new ones as it became a more affordable item. All the while this would keep the in game stone merchants flush with business.
^Great points in your post. I selected this portion to address because yes, if prices were lowered back to what they were then maybe I could end my personal strike against enhancements. If they were slightly lower than before I would definitely stock up and be able to enhance more than just weapons. I bet many other users would too. My earlier posts in this thread reflected my shaky faith in the fact that maybe we could be getting true deals again :(
When I've gone to Mexico and the Bahamas and tried to buy souvenirs that were really cute, I had to haggle. Quite often it got to the point where after arguing with the merchant for a while I was so sick of the game of haggling (starting at 100 and working their way to 85 when the item was worth say, 60) that I usually said "FORGET THIS" and left. After a year (and many other users have dealt with it for 2+ years) I've been brought to the same frustrated "forget this!" point. Not quitting the game, just quitting enhancements. lol.

I'm thankful for the decrease on prices on the costumes though Q.Q (I'm a girl I can't help but enjoy them rofl) But.. but... I also understand the frustration of most other players on these price increases. Please do reconsider them. If you would be increasing the prices of your CS items, please raise the quality of your services in-game as well. I assure you, there will be less complaining if we can see that the price increase is on par with the service we get in-game. (e.g. less lag and disconnection, more in game events, staff responsiveness.. etc)
^Again good points. This one I chose to comment on. I seem to have a different idea on this. I love the costumes too. :D My backpack is full of them. But I would glady say keep costumes the way they were in order to get enhancements to the price it was before. I take a +9 over crit any day of the week (perhaps I'm biased because I'm a cleric is my crit does nothing anyway). Besides, costumes friends can gift. Enhancements can't. I'd prefer to have the item only I can buy we lowered.

Holy crap, I usually think people would only spend $5-$10/month on a game at most but $2,000+!!??!?! talk about a robbery T_T. I have these "hobbies" that you guys speak of also required quite a large amount of money such as electric guitar, acoustic guitar, amps and microphone but... at least those things are (very) useful (and real). I'm not a little kid that only get $20 a month as allowance; @ $15/hour working at Kaiser as a pharmacy tech. i could afford sc if i wanted to since i'm a college student and don't have as much bills to pay but let's be real... those items are not even real (just virtue) and it's kind of like paying someone for a good imaginary time, catch my drift?

Then again, self-control need to be implement here people. No matter how good your def. or how shiny your weapons/armors are, just ask yourself this question "Do i really need this for enjoyment?" I used to pay about $70-$100 total a while back then on a game called 2moons and now i am here 2-3 years later realizing i could've used that money to buy something more useful.

Then again, i haven't spend even a penny on this game yet, and i have a lvl 67 cleric and 64 fighter.

And to OS, the U.S economy is turning into mud so at least lower the prices a bit so it can ease the stress on the people that actually wanna buy some SC.

-Remember that there are starving kids around the world that could use that $ you people throw away for virtue items monthly!

To the first bold: I'm not a kid. Neither are some of the other posters in this thread. You can check our profiles. And here's something to consider...how many people spend thousands on videogames? How many people buy a ps3, have bought other platforms in the past, a wii, flat screen tv, games and accessories, etc. I have none of those things because I choose to use the computer as my electronic entertainment which mainly consists of Fiesta. ^^

The second bold: That offends me considering I support Heifer International, and a list of other npo's if you'd like me to PM them to you. And what do you do to support the starving kids? The one point in your post I can agree with is prices should be lowered :D

[vukbui1987]

^Great points in your post. I selected this portion to address because yes, if prices were lowered back to what they were then maybe I could end my personal strike against enhancements. If they were slightly lower than before I would definitely stock up and be able to enhance more than just weapons. I bet many other users would too. My earlier posts in this thread reflected my shaky faith in the fact that maybe we could be getting true deals again :(
When I've gone to Mexico and the Bahamas and tried to buy souvenirs that were really cute, I had to haggle. Quite often it got to the point where after arguing with the merchant for a while I was so sick of the game of haggling (starting at 100 and working their way to 85 when the item was worth say, 60) that I usually said "FORGET THIS" and left. After a year (and many other users have dealt with it for 2+ years) I've been brought to the same frustrated "forget this!" point. Not quitting the game, just quitting enhancements. lol.

^Again good points. This one I chose to comment on. I seem to have a different idea on this. I love the costumes too. :D My backpack is full of them. But I would glady say keep costumes the way they were in order to get enhancements to the price it was before. I take a +9 over crit any day of the week (perhaps I'm biased because I'm a cleric is my crit does nothing anyway). Besides, costumes friends can gift. Enhancements can't. I'd prefer to have the item only I can buy we lowered.



To the first bold: I'm not a kid. Neither are some of the other posters in this thread. You can check our profiles. And here's something to consider...how many people spend thousands on videogames? How many people buy a ps3, have bought other platforms in the past, a wii, flat screen tv, games and accessories, etc. I have none of those things because I choose to use the computer as my electronic entertainment which mainly consists of Fiesta. ^^

The second bold: That offends me considering I support Heifer International, and a list of other npo's if you'd like me to PM them to you. And what do you do to support the starving kids? The one point in your post I can agree with is prices should be lowered :D

in the bold part: i still can't believe u actually compared items such as tv, platforms to items in game that only compose of pixels and cost fiesta absolutely nothing to produced......

[caliab]

yup I did. no matter the quality or effort it's all electronic entertainment. Videogames don't interest me. TV I can watch online. I enjoy the things online gaming provides and therefore have no qualms spending my money on it. You choose to pay for what you like and I choose to pay for what I like. If you would like to further this conversation I would suggest you PM it to me instead of making this thread more off topic from the OP's original points.

[ryan_3701]

Ha ha i guess this will die with all the rest of the posts out there about OS ripping us off. Ah well, i am currently trying other games so i can choose one for when my SC items run dry.

[Daywen]

On the note of raised CS prices, yes, I have to agree. We're given a "discount" (they take off like 500sc off of an item) on an expensive item. Let's use the Iron Case for example. It was 12,500 for a long time. Actually, since I can't access my past purchase history of more than a month or so, I can't tell you what I originally bought it for, but I know it was 12,500-700sc or so. It's 12,495 now. Wow, such a discount!



I bought the inventory pack about a year ago and it was originally 17,500sc. The case is now under $20 rather than $25. the recent discount was not much but try comparing to the starting price. Plus its 2 pages of inventory permanently, they can't just give something like that away. But i do agree that discounts lately are very small. Also new items seemed to be priced higher and higher when an older set giving the same benefits was cheaper.


And why can't you gift reset scrolls? Because you want every account to buy spark cash. Isn't it enough that someone buys them? Buy them, gift them, item's STILL bought. I can tell the License Clear went down in price, but nothing else really has. If I could afford Spark Cash, I'd buy probably 5-7 License Clears to get rid of stupid licenses on my weapons added by idiots. But I can't.
And you can't gift them either. For such a cheap item, you'd think it wouldn't matter if it's giftable or not?



I haven't tried gifting but i agree that you should be able to gift anything in the store. The buyer is still paying for the sparkcash so the items they gift to another shouldn't matter.

I'm changing my thought on the enhancing thing... screw it, dont change the system if you dont want to... add a 100% to +9 item... Make it a flat fee to +9 a weapon.

Like for...
T1 weapons pay $5
T2 weapons pay $8
T3 weapons pay $12
T4 weapons pay $18
T5 weapons pay $25

I would rather pay the flat fee and get my item to +9 automatically, then buy 50-60 dollars worth of eyes, miles and whatever and HOPE it makes it to +9 by then. I know then there is a max amount i would have to pay for ONE!!!!!! weapon in a game!

The prices ryan suggested are dirt cheap and unreasonable. I think they should increase the chances of enhancement but an instant +9 item is just too easy. Plus aren't enhancement systems in mmo games the same. There is a probability of success. This is a game but it shouldn't be too easy. SC makes the game easier and at high levels they are needed more but high levels are supposed to be more difficult right?

[alion4zion]

Since i've started enhancing t3, i've had the urge to flame the forums with posts regarding the idiocy of outspark.

Instead, ill say this:

Outspark...you're rich. You're making over 10 million dollars worth of revenue per year. Your game is appealing, and therefore, you decide to make more than 10 million dollars by increasing prices/making them unbearable in the first place.

Congradulations. Are you happy with yourself, admins and owners? (whom i have no idea who you are, since i never see you post in forums or ingame, let alone seeing a GM ingame)

By all means, continue to profit millions from people attempting to find refuge from the negative aspects of the real world. continue making more money than World of Warcraft, who has been semi-kind enough to offer fixed prices to buy their games, without the ability to get extenders, charms, or antyhing else to make certain players better than others (IF they have money)

Keep it up, OutSpark. We're all rooting for you. =/

[Krusnik02]

Here's a sum up of the entire thread:

LOWER THE PRICES AND MORE PEOPLE BUY! STOP BEING GREEDY!

In all seriousness, I've been playing for around 2 years or something? No idea. This game's customer service died in a hole. Glitches remain from those years ago and have never ever been fixed. New glitches remain no matter the severity when before they might have been fixed at an acceptable time. The cost of everything went through the roof. People find it more necessary to buy sc to level. Well, guess what? I'm still not buying.

[mekimchiie]

When I started playing this game, I was fine with the prices, but with the recent prices I DON'T buy SC. I used to buy it for my boyfriend as a gift, but now it's way too expensive. Can't do it.

And I'm not trying to be mean/rude/or anything bad. When CL (I can't remember which) said that OS is allowing us a reasonable amount of free speech by not forcing our posts through a monitoring thing first, a red flag went up in my mind. Now, that may be a good excuse for this forum, but the REAL reason for that is because if forums were ran that way, it would take forever (due to all our posts). Running it that way would mean more moderators and more admins which means more money/costs. I may be wrong, but I believe that is the REAL reason why things are the way they are with the forum.

[caliab]

When I started playing this game, I was fine with the prices, but with the recent prices I DON'T buy SC. I used to buy it for my boyfriend as a gift, but now it's way too expensive. Can't do it.

And I'm not trying to be mean/rude/or anything bad. When CL (I can't remember which) said that OS is allowing us a reasonable amount of free speech by not forcing our posts through a monitoring thing first, a red flag went up in my mind. Now, that may be a good excuse for this forum, but the REAL reason for that is because if forums were ran that way, it would take forever (due to all our posts). Running it that way would mean more moderators and more admins which means more money/costs. I may be wrong, but I believe that is the REAL reason why things are the way they are with the forum.

I understand why you'd feel that way but just a reminder, CLs are volunteers and not paid for moderating forums. They do it because they care about the fiesta community.

[bjzee1]

A swimsuit on this game is 5$. I believe I could buy a swimsuit for 5$.

LOL!! thats pretty true (unless you shop at hollister) :p

[vandaluske]

So I enhanced my 75 set on Cypion a couple days ago....
I spent over $120 including a 76 Mage Hat.

I hate myself so much for doing that, I was being an addict and couldn't control myself untill the whole set was +9d.

Every time I think of this I get depressed.
( this was only T3 btw)

I love the game so much.... I wish I could say the same about the company who runs it.

All we want is More for our money please.
Please put some ideas into consideration, like 60 day or 90 day suits/cards for the same price.

I wanna feel good when I spend my money in your company, Sorry but I won't be buying anymore Sc from your company after looking at my grand total and looking what I got from it.


Changes please
Regards