Are there still GL's?

[savaro]

i play around 5hours a day weekend 8hours a day and last time i saw a GL on eptih is 3months ago i think (GL [asp]) last time on any server was opening on cypion.

so my question is are there still GL around?

[lenore_lurks]

Nopes.

10char.

[Jsonthegreat]

man im sorry 2@

[Andromeda]

The GL program was scrapped after some unpleasantness both with the community and the GLs themselves. It was for the best to get rid of the GLs as there were alot of complaints about them.

[Tamlinari]

They are all gone as far as I know.
Patched out.
That was a really bad idea to begin with.
Some of them became abusive and out of control running around and asserting themselves on other players and particularly on players who had some bad interactions on a particular GM.

I myself got put in jail by a particular GL for not doing anything other than not immediately responding to the GL when he asked me a question.

You really can't entrust anyone with that kind of authority and that kind of power and expect them not to be abusive with it unless they are a direct employee of Outspark and getting a paycheck from them.

[yohannbiimu]

i play around 5hours a day weekend 8hours a day and last time i saw a GL on eptih is 3months ago i think (GL [asp]) last time on any server was opening on cypion.

so my question is are there still GL around?

Sorry if I'm sounding ignorant about this topic, but what is a "GL?" Is that sort of like a "Gestapo" patrolling the game, looking for folks to arrest for any reason?

[Tamlinari]

Sorry if I'm sounding ignorant about this topic, but what is a "GL?" Is that sort of like a "Gestapo" patrolling the game, looking for folks to arrest for any reason?

It is an abbreviation for "Game Leader".
Yes, that is exactly what it was, a Gestapo or Stasi type force.
And they were given all of the powers of a GM too.

Level 150
Maxed out Armor and Weapons.
The ability to be invisible.
The ability to summon any kind and any level of mobs.
The ability to teleport instantly to any map and the ability to teleport any player to them.
The ability to put a player in jail or ban them completely.
And the Outspark staff would support any decision that they made and make excuses for their bad behavior even though they were not Outspark employees.

[cercia]

GL = Game Leader.

They had the ability to spawn mobs, jail/teleport/disconnect players (this includes teleporting players into KQs they normally couldn't be in), and were at level 100 in their class. All of their names were 3 letters, so you couldn't impersonate one.

They held several events, including "Fight a Boss," "Find the GL," "War the GLs," etc.

Edit: Also, I had no trouble with them whatsoever.

[yohannbiimu]

Okay, I remember those events. Sounds like something that could promote serious problems with regard to abuse of authority, which it no doubt did.

(That said, I've often imagined what a laugh-fest it would be to be able to join a KQ as a lvl 50 that is like 20-levels beneath me...)

[endlessly_unwielding]

It is an abbreviation for "Game Leader".
Yes, that is exactly what it was, a Gestapo or Stasi type force.
And they were given all of the powers of a GM too.

Level 150
Maxed out Armor and Weapons.
The ability to be invisible.
The ability to summon any kind and any level of mobs.
The ability to teleport instantly to any map and the ability to teleport any player to them.
The ability to put a player in jail or ban them completely.
And the Outspark staff would support any decision that they made and make excuses for their bad behavior even though they were not Outspark employees.



they were only level 100.
they did not have the ability to ban, only the ability to point out to OS staff when someone was doing something bad. They also had to provide screenshots, and OS had to look into it.

:rolleyes:

and they didn't abuse their positions, everything they did was closely monitored. They only lost their GL positions because OS decided to remove them. Plain and simple.

[Tamlinari]

they were only level 100.
they did not have the ability to ban, only the ability to point out to OS staff when someone was doing something bad. They also had to provide screenshots, and OS had to look into it.

:rolleyes:

Ok, I may be wrong about the level but that is the level that all GMs are capable of and the GLs had full GM powers.
I know because I got into enough debates with Dakkon about the GLs in my private messages.
They did ban people too and Dakkon had to go back and undo some of what they had done.
ASP and NEI did ban people and often it was on a whim.
And summon Mobs that stomped on shops even though the staff at Outspark said that they did not have the power to do any of that.

My dislike and strong criticism of the GL project is how I really got on Dakkons bad side so I do know a little bit about it.

Personally I hope that Outspark learned a lesson from that and will never try to repeat it.

I know that they were nice to some and some people liked them but they were also abusive with their powers.

[endlessly_unwielding]

being a person that reported several people to GL Nei, I saw how he handled every situation. Never once was it ever handled as an instant ban, never once did he step out of line and say "I'll handle it." He replied promptly with "I'll make sure this reaches the right people," and at most, even with people cursing in his face, he simply booted them from the server -- which all GMs have done to at least one person.

For instance, Nei came to a Helga Raid in Teva once, long before the 89 cap, when no one could kill it. He helped everyone kill it (Fox showed up afterwards), but at the time Helgaits weren't allowed to be out. As it happened, though, of course everyone jumped to grab the blues and Helgaits that fell. Someone was keeping very quiet and wouldn't hand them over. Nei did not instantly start throwing around his GL Position to say give it back or else, he got CSR Joker to come in and handle the situation.

[mario6156]

I would have to say the GLNei was the most helpful then any other gm/gl i have ever meet. Gls were on more often then gms and talked way more then gms outside of events. I would have to say they made the game more enjoyable to me!!

I can also remember talking to the gls and i made a comment "that gls are more fun and helpful"
then one gl replyed by saying "we actually know how to play fiesta".

[DF001]

Lol. A GL called CSR Joker and he ended up jailing me because I said that the GL wasn't helping.

[cercia]

being a person that reported several people to GL Nei, I saw how he handled every situation. Never once was it ever handled as an instant ban, never once did he step out of line and say "I'll handle it." He replied promptly with "I'll make sure this reaches the right people," and at most, even with people cursing in his face, he simply booted them from the server -- which all GMs have done to at least one person.


I had this same sort of experience with Asp, and for a brief time, Eve.

[Tamlinari]

Maybe they did reign in the arrogance a bit and started playing by a different set of rules after they were admonished by CSR Joker but Outspark was flooded by complaints about them and like Andromeda said earlier, that was the reason why the GL project was supposedly ended.

I don't think that any game needs anything like that because the regular players are just as capable of reporting bad behavior as any GL and the CSRs are better at dealing with it and no GM powers bestowed upon a select few crony players is necessary.