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omega_cloud9
07-15-2009, 11:24 PM
This might not be that important but.. just a small rant. :X
The cool down of this move has been too long, for a long time. lol, im not sure if anyone tried to make a petition or something for this, but i think it would be a good idea to lower the cool down of whirlwind to the same cool down as Precise attack and Accurate Strike, Or at lease make it to 1 min. 3 Min is rediculous for a move that doesn't do alot of dmg, just looks kinda dope. I understand the 3 min cool down on Vitality, but on something like this? lol. If the Korean Makers made it this way, then i guess there's nothing we can do. But i want to hear our community of warriors, opinions.
~Thanks.
EDIT: I should of have placed this suggestion in lordaldens thread. (Which i only saw just now~fail.)
ShonenHero
07-15-2009, 11:27 PM
Whoa, I completely agree with this, as in: Whirlwind isn`t a really useful attack, and it has a cooldown that makes it completely useless
Changing its name would be awesome, too
Japanese culture taught us that spirals are supposed to be extremely awesome, so, let`s make this spiral something that lives up to its name!
Ciocolajs
07-15-2009, 11:33 PM
Fighters most useless atk skill since its FREAKING 3 MIN LONG to use again ._.. And not to add the low atk dmg it does -.-. Would be alot better with less CD = Soloing becomes easier for fighter >;O
omega_cloud9
07-15-2009, 11:37 PM
Not to mention, this will also make soloing a lot less boring to do lolz, i mean come on? Mages got Nova's, Inferno's, at the same lvls. And I don't think you can get bored easily of that. xD
irishscorpion
07-15-2009, 11:40 PM
First of all, wrong section for this to be posted in IMO
Second of all, (and Im biased, ill admit it) but fighters really shouldnt have ANYTHING to complain about.
All your skills can negate the animation. Enough said right there.
mehe25
07-15-2009, 11:42 PM
Well every class has useless skills. How come fighters can't deal with it?
Edit:I'm looking at your skills and they all appear to be useful except for Whirlwind. Well that's just one, you still have the other bagillion XD
Edit: Clerics got trip and bleed, archers got gay natures speed, and mages get lightning skills that don't do much.
omega_cloud9
07-15-2009, 11:44 PM
It does little damage anyway, idk what's with you other classes and your problems? lol
drigr_x
07-15-2009, 11:58 PM
Okay. So you want another skill to face roll...? At least you HAVE an AoE that does damage -.-" And us clerics and our AoE heal.. Well its got a default 30sec CD... Even when I have it fully empowered on CD (yes I am skill emp'd for support and doing as much as I can to make heals more useful) it will still have a 21.5sec CD. Or a 20.5. Still its over a 20 sec CD on my ONLY AoE and one of my favorite skills cause it allows me to heal the whole PT without taking focus off the tank.
pikafanisvocal
07-16-2009, 12:23 AM
Whoa, I completely agree with this, as in: Whirlwind isn`t a really useful attack, and it has a cooldown that makes it completely useless
Changing its name would be awesome, too
Japanese culture taught us that spirals are supposed to be extremely awesome, so, let`s make this spiral something that lives up to its name!
Uzumaki. Reminds me of the horror movie.
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 12:29 AM
Ouyt of the ones who said yes 3 are fighters and the rest have char info private or have a private profile >.>
irishscorpion
07-16-2009, 12:31 AM
Ouyt of the ones who said yes 3 are fighters and the rest have char info private or have a private profile >.>
Everyone who said yes has a fighter as their main...i can guarantee that
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 12:36 AM
I'm sure they do. Like I said... Just another of the 102 skills to face roll...
FlashBoom
07-16-2009, 12:43 AM
yes whirlwind should be 5sec cd so fighters can solo aoe!
devastate needs to be 5sec cd too, the cd for deva is WAY too long!
[/sarcasm]
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 12:47 AM
Haha. The fact that they can do a lot of damage with an axe paired with their high HP makes it to where they don't really need an AoE to solo efficiently. Even though they want it anyways.. Make mages obsolete too.... My not?! Ooooo!!! Let them heal and poison! There goes clerics and archers...
resigood
07-16-2009, 12:51 AM
i voted yes
its a waste of time using, cooldown too long, damage too low
devastate is better than this, just put all mobs in front of u and u can aoe more effiecntly with an added stun affect and lower cooldown
basically who needs whirlwind attack when you have devastate?
make it more useful please
irishscorpion
07-16-2009, 12:54 AM
i voted yes
its a waste of time using, cooldown too long, damage too low
devastate is better than this, just put all mobs in front of u and u can aoe more effiecntly with an added stun affect and lower cooldown
basically who needs whirlwind attack when you have devastate?
make it more useful please
ORRRRR! make deva less spammable! that would make whirlwind more useful! now there is an idea..
Odrioll
07-16-2009, 01:24 AM
I see some mages complaining... Do you know that 9x/10x mages skills are WAY more scary than fighter's ones ? I mean, look at the unconscious skill Oo. In 15sec u can not do anything but wait for death, and the CD is like 30seconds or 1min... So I don't think mages have the right to complain about deva now.
For Whirlwind, I don't consider it as an AOE skill as you can use it only every 3-4 aoes. The power is low, ok let it be. But I think the CD should be shorten a bit, from 3min to 1min or so. in huge aoe parties, it will make the tank keep agro a bit longer, which would be appreciable.
But this is a detail actually.
Fighters have been doing good without this skill so this is not so important :D
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 01:28 AM
I see some mages complaining... Do you know that 9x/10x mages skills are WAY more scary than fighter's ones ? I mean, look at the unconscious skill Oo. In 15sec u can not do anything but wait for death, and the CD is like 30seconds or 1min... So I don't think mages have the right to complain about deva now.
For Whirlwind, I don't consider it as an AOE skill as you can use it only every 3-4 aoes. The power is low, ok let it be. But I think the CD should be shorten a bit, from 3min to 1min or so. in huge aoe parties, it will make the tank keep agro a bit longer, which would be appreciable.
But this is a detail actually.
Fighters have been doing good without this skill so this is not so important :DIsn't sleep a branch specific 10x skill though? And yet deva is like.... 4x..?
irishscorpion
07-16-2009, 01:33 AM
Isn't sleep a branch specific 10x skill though? And yet deva is like.... 4x..?
exactly my point. back to what i said before...fighters have no right to complain about anything....anything....i repeat...anything.
ahtai
07-16-2009, 01:41 AM
For me I think Whirlwind is very useful. Whirlwind + Mock + Deva I can successfully hold too robber in Spider pinned on my fighter and take the aggro off mages. I don't think I need it any stronger unless I want to hold all 4 robber like my mage did all the time, but than you will only need 1 fighter per spider is very enough and the rest of fighters can all go leech.
Frankly I think fighter have the most skill compare to all other clases.
irishscorpion
07-16-2009, 01:44 AM
Frankly I think fighter have the most skill compare to all other clases.
And that is wrong...mages are skill based attackers...mages should have more skills than any class
azure-balmung
07-16-2009, 01:57 AM
Whirlwind isn`t a really useful attack, and it has a cooldown that makes it completely useless
Japanese culture taught us that spirals are supposed to be extremely awesome, so, let`s make this spiral something that lives up to its name!
Gurren Lagann reference nice lol.
On topic, The skill really is useful only in a group of mobs, or when your nearing the end of a fight, either way it only really does damage mixed with vitality, or if it crits. Like Shonen said, -points at quote-
Overall Whirlwind is quite useless, correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean it's highest damage with vit and a crit at around level 80 is what? 800?
-Just adding my opinion on this-
ahtai
07-16-2009, 02:06 AM
And that is wrong...mages are skill based attackers...mages should have more skills than any class
Well I am not counting some mage skill that have no use to PVE. If I count PVE useable skill, fighter have more.
Like dispell is nice skill but.... you do not attack with it.
Purge, no use against any mob
Mana Burn, well the mob still attack so it is just wast of sp to use it
Life tap, well very good luck use it while hitting a mob
There is 4 skill in number but not much use. And fear I say it is 50% useful skill.
So when I line up the hot key on my fighter and mage; fighter got more keys than mage.
mehe25
07-16-2009, 02:07 AM
i voted yes
its a waste of time using, cooldown too long, damage too low
devastate is better than this, just put all mobs in front of u and u can aoe more effiecntly with an added stun affect and lower cooldown
basically who needs whirlwind attack when you have devastate?
make it more useful please
If it's a waste of time then don't use it in the first place.
Kyo_Sama
07-16-2009, 02:20 AM
I guess im the only sane fighter here, but no. That skill is a support / damage skill. It's only function is to help you pull agro on mobs.
Now you all will complain about its lack of damage being insufficient. Kay well if you're a DD or even Tank build count your agro drawing skills
DD every skill gets you agro, why because mobs hate you attacking.
Tank again every skill gets you agro some MORE so than others.
point stop QQ'ing about the skill, you can empower it making it more useful.
Jobo7
07-16-2009, 02:26 AM
Deva and WW CD times should be switched IMHO.
kickedinapit
07-16-2009, 03:12 AM
WW is fail, deal with it. it doesnt do "jump out your seat and stare at the screen" good dmg anyway so its not really worth arguing about
Deva and WW CD times should be switched IMHO.
this is for u sir *slaps with a rubber glove*. you'd rethink that little statement if your squishy was dying erry pull c: *id actually like to watch that happen....curse my hate for mages :c*
edit: 4got i was still on this account :/
Jobo7
07-16-2009, 04:19 AM
this is for u sir *slaps with a rubber glove*. you'd rethink that little statement if your squishy was dying erry pull c: *id actually like to watch that happen....curse my hate for mages :c*
edit: 4got i was still on this account :/
Eh? Why not? My idea is best. It would solve the problem of fighters being powerful in pvp. Maybe not 3 min. But 1 min instead. and have WW cd the same that deva is right now. I think that would be fine :/ Maybe even deva 45 sec cd and if you empowerment it enough its 29 sec or something. Still better then deva every 6 sec :/
resigood
07-16-2009, 05:12 AM
For me I think Whirlwind is very useful. Whirlwind + Mock + Deva I can successfully hold too robber in Spider pinned on my fighter and take the aggro off mages. I don't think I need it any stronger unless I want to hold all 4 robber like my mage did all the time, but than you will only need 1 fighter per spider is very enough and the rest of fighters can all go leech.
Frankly I think fighter have the most skill compare to all other clases.
well thats its only real use lol
hold aggro better
its like a weak 3minute mock
would be nice to use it for mobbing solo though
i mean i can live with just deva, but before i even reached 60, i just couldnt wait for whirlwind attack, the spins wouldv reminded me of Zelda
so cool to use, then i saw the cooldown and retired it to the back of the skill list lol
If it's a waste of time then don't use it in the first place.
i dont use it... unless i have no other skills to spam from cooldown lol
anyways anyone can say "just dnt use it in the 1st place" or "dont buy sc if you dont like the prices" and other stuff like that
nobody needs you to tell them that jeez
wasnt even a complaint, it was opinion, which I am entitled to
omega_cloud9
07-16-2009, 05:36 PM
~Bump
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byron007
07-16-2009, 05:47 PM
No way.
10char
zipiouch
07-16-2009, 05:51 PM
Whoa, I completely agree with this, as in: Whirlwind isn`t a really useful attack, and it has a cooldown that makes it completely useless
Changing its name would be awesome, too
Japanese culture taught us that spirals are supposed to be extremely awesome, so, let`s make this spiral something that lives up to its name!
:O how about wind-styled rasengan? <3 lolz xDDD
guardian013
07-16-2009, 06:13 PM
so many people complaining badly about lowering WW or about deva lol..
the REASON most fighters are powerful, is because of our deva. if you really want to higher the CD of deva, be my guest.
i mean i love the skill and whatnot, but highering the CD would ruin not only just fighters, but most parties. you'd doom all of fiesta rofl. good luck to the manks out there IF this happens :D
and btw. there are fighter's who do not NEED deva to be strong. you just haven't met them yet if you complain about deva. they'd wipe you out without deva because they have no use of it against you.
and i honestly agree with lowering WW CD. i actually use it as much as i can. sure it's a waste of my sp, but hey i hit a lot of things lol D:
on a unrelated side note...i think clerics should have more aoe's too :x
zipiouch
07-16-2009, 06:16 PM
i still think fighters r too overpowered x.x
maybe increase the success rate of deva by bit...keep teh rest x.x
ShonenHero
07-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Well, the reason we`re all saying this is because Whirlwind looks cool, if it didn`t look cool, we really wouldn`t be complaining about it not being useful enough. Since it looks cool, we want to use it for a definite reason, like "Okay, so here, I have to use my awesome Whirlwind..." like we do with Devastate, or Mock
That will never happen, because almost nobody "plans" to use Whirlwind. It`s more like "Oh, look, the cooldown on whirlwind finished!" *Uses it* Anywhere, anytime (Yeah sure, it hits 10 monsters around you, but if you`re surrounded by monsters, that means you mocked them or lured them, and odds are there`s a mage ready to blast them into next week, or an archer ready to poison them all, in your party)
My favourite use for Whirlwind is, after I mock a bunch of monsters for a fellow mage to AoE (For example, Gargoyles) I use Whirlwind and I imagine the damage from the mage`s AoE is actually from my skill. It`s awesome, I feel really powerful
But, yeah, basically, we would like it to be useful, because we just like the animation and the concept. And this thread is here for us to share our opinions, as in:
"Hey, wouldn`t it be cool if Whirlwind was more useful?"
And not as in:
"OMG THIS GAEM SUX OUTSPARK REDUCE THE COOLDOWN ON WHIRLWIND OR I QUIT OMFFFFGGGGGGG GM PLZ REPLY"
And, we`re just talking about Whirlwind here, for the newcomers, not about Deva, or any other skill
And, yeah, as you guys caught in the reference, be it in Uzumaki, Gurren, or Naruto, spirals are meant to be awesome (Or scary)
*Sigh* I`d pay for Mock and Demoralizing Hit to look different... I really love those skills... I KNOW, LET`S MAKE A THREAD!
Kimukai
07-16-2009, 06:45 PM
Fighters got more than enough skills to spam and what's a 3 min cooldown to that?
So now fighters wants to aoe by themselves by lowering cd on WW?
Fighters are good as tankers and DDs (single mob/boss) and now want a cd reduce on WW? So in future if it does happens, fighters will be good at tanking, single mob and aoe group mobs.
Now where's the balance if that happens. =)
EDIT:
Someone said they love the animation or looks of WW, that's why they wish to use it more often.
Well, clerics love bleed/trip description and its animation too. Do we propose to fix that skill based on "we like so we want it better?" theory?
Clerics loves aoe attacks and a weak one is all we ask for but we don't get it cos "we like so we want it better?" theory
ShonenHero
07-16-2009, 06:51 PM
Someone said they love the animation or looks of WW, that's why they wish to use it more often.
Well, clerics love bleed/trip description and its animation too. Do we propose to fix that skill based on "we like so we want it better?" theory?
Clerics loves aoe attacks and a weak one is all we ask for but we don't get it cos "we like so we want it better?" theory
Proposals never hurt, my dear~
Unless it`s a wedding proposal
Ouch
Kimukai
07-16-2009, 07:02 PM
Proposals never hurt, my dear~
Unless it`s a wedding proposal
Ouch
yea it never hurts. but it just shows how fighter is not contented with what they have.
i'll stop now because i'm getting "hotter" every min and i don't want to start the flames in this "proposal" thread. ;)
gizmonc
07-16-2009, 07:06 PM
Wow, i've seen so many mages post and cry about how powerful warriors are in PvP. Get some +9's and see how powerful they are. Mages basically control PvP unless the person they are fighting is a bajillion levels higher.
And just imagine when the new +10's come out. Hell, there goes all of the fun in PvP.
gizmonc
07-16-2009, 07:07 PM
But on topic, I don't have whirlwind, so my opinion really doesn't count.. but hell, a 3 minute cooldown for a cool looking AoE move sounds pretty dumb to me..
forumforby
07-16-2009, 07:08 PM
The issue here is, Fighters have enough spam skills as it is. With enough power.
Bueawa
07-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Good Idea.... :D
gizmonc
07-16-2009, 07:14 PM
Forumforby, unless you're a fighter, your opinion means nothing to me. Basically everyone who has said fighters are overpowered facerollers has been a mage/cleric/archer. I want to hear a fighter say that.
fxarch
07-16-2009, 07:18 PM
I have maxed cooldown on it, it reduces it by 54 seconds. 2 minutes 6 seconds. . . it's still a pretty hefty cooltime.
And yes I'm a fighter. But I also play all the classes, I've gotten em to level 50 so far. Each has its pros and cons. I said yes because I'd love for them to change the cooldown, but. . . I can't really complain.
Kimukai
07-16-2009, 07:19 PM
Forumforby, unless you're a fighter, your opinion means nothing to me. Basically everyone who has said fighters are overpowered facerollers has been a mage/cleric/archer. I want to hear a fighter say that.
*can't stop myself from posting*
fighter will never believe they are over-powered.
they will just think the people/mobs they killed are weak.
it takes someone to see that there's a dirt on your face. you can't see your face unless you look at yourself in the mirror. so if u don't look in the mirror, u always think u look suave and handsome with that speck of dirt on your face. :D
gizmonc
07-16-2009, 07:20 PM
-Goes to look in mirror-...
I just took a shower too...
ShonenHero
07-16-2009, 07:24 PM
fighter will never believe they are over-powered.
they will just think the people/mobs they killed are weak.
Boy, those are harsh words, right there... I think you`re generalizing too much, the fact we`re muscular and carry axes around doesn`t mean we`re that dim
THEN AGAIN URE NOT A FITER SO U DUN MATTER LOLOLOLOL
fxarch
07-16-2009, 07:27 PM
Rofl Neo <3
gizmonc
07-16-2009, 07:28 PM
Get out of god mode and stop generalizing MY words, Shonen. I simply meant that clerics/mages/archers can't rant and say that fighters are overpowered facerollers without actually being a fighter, because they've never experienced it and they are speaking biased.
Anyways, -ditches topic-
ShonenHero
07-16-2009, 07:30 PM
Get out of god mode and stop generalizing MY words, Shonen. I simply meant that clerics/mages/archers can't rant and say that fighters are overpowered facerollers without actually being a fighter, because they've never experienced it and they are speaking biased.
Anyways, -ditches topic-
B-but I was replying to Kim because I disagree with what he says, I actually fully agree with what you said, man...
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 07:32 PM
Fighters got more than enough skills to spam and what's a 3 min cooldown to that?
So now fighters wants to aoe by themselves by lowering cd on WW?
Fighters are good as tankers and DDs (single mob/boss) and now want a cd reduce on WW? So in future if it does happens, fighters will be good at tanking, single mob and aoe group mobs.
Now where's the balance if that happens. =)
EDIT:
Someone said they love the animation or looks of WW, that's why they wish to use it more often.
Well, clerics love bleed/trip description and its animation too. Do we propose to fix that skill based on "we like so we want it better?" theory?
Clerics loves aoe attacks and a weak one is all we ask for but we don't get it cos "we like so we want it better?" theory
Yeah. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Cleric's bleed and trip should... I dunno... "Bleed"? And... "Trip"?... It would be nice if our bleed could cause some sort of bleed damage and our trip could trip(stun) for a short period of time as the name implies. Bash makes sense cause all you're doing is hitting harder.
But on topic, I don't have whirlwind, so my opinion really doesn't count.. but hell, a 3 minute cooldown for a cool looking AoE move sounds pretty dumb to me..
Okay... So 3min on a AoE sounds lame... What about NO AoE? Clerics get out first AoE at level 60 and it only heals 5 people for 800 damage. It has a 30 second unempowered cooldown. even with maxed cool down it is over 20 seconds. Also the power of it can't be empowered. It makes this skill almost worthless since it also has a cast time and your party could take more than 800damage both the skill even hits...
Forumforby, unless you're a fighter, your opinion means nothing to me. Basically everyone who has said fighters are overpowered facerollers has been a mage/cleric/archer. I want to hear a fighter say that.
Okay... So basically the only people that are allowed to have an opinion are the ones who will want the improvement? The rest of us have to shut our traps? You can't expect to ask someone if they want an improvement and have them say no.
"Hey Bill Gates, want a million dollars?"
Bill Gates "Sure! :)"
Low-Mid Class Civilian "He's already a billionaire! Why give him more when you could give it to a homless person or feed a poor family?!"
"You shut up! I didn't ask your opinion!"
fxarch
07-16-2009, 07:34 PM
Get out of god mode and stop generalizing MY words, Shonen. I simply meant that clerics/mages/archers can't rant and say that fighters are overpowered facerollers without actually being a fighter, because they've never experienced it and they are speaking biased.
Anyways, -ditches topic-
It's funny, because I've played all the other classes. . . and they're the same way tbh.
The only reason you people Care about the fact that fighters are 'facerollers' Is because of PvP I don't think you realize how much this game used to be geared for PvE. (I wish it still was PvE Based ._.)
gizmonc
07-16-2009, 07:37 PM
@Shonen- Er... oops.. all appologies. x.x"
Now that I feel like a complete jerk/idiotic noob, -Leaves topic-
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 07:40 PM
@Shonen- Er... oops.. all appologies. x.x"
Now that I feel like a complete jerk/idiotic noob, -Leaves topic-
Notices the second time of "-leaves topic-"
thalegend7695
07-16-2009, 07:54 PM
Before lvl 100 aoes are
Mages - Magic Burst, Frost Nova, Inferno
Archers - Natures Protection, Natures Mist, Piercing Shot
Fighters - Mock, Devastate, Whirlwind
Clerics - Rejuvalent [Idk the rest but they most likely have 2 others]
So each class has 3 aoe's based off what they do, mages do dmg aoe, archers DPS aoe, fighters tank aoe, and clerics support aoe. Kinda like the classes were made?
[Btw that was a reply to the person who said fighters dont have enough aoe's]
But I agree whirlwind should be 1min cd since its so weak, but do NOT increase the dmg or leave it 3mins. If they increase dmg/lower cd, then make stun 30secs empowered, 45 secs unempowered and do no dmg :D.
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 08:00 PM
Before lvl 100 aoes are
Mages - Magic Burst, Frost Nova, Inferno
Archers - Natures Protection, Natures Mist, Piercing Shot
Fighters - Mock, Devastate, Whirlwind
Clerics - Rejuvalent [Idk the rest but they most likely have 2 others]
So each class has 3 aoe's based off what they do, mages do dmg aoe, archers DPS aoe, fighters tank aoe, and clerics support aoe. Kinda like the classes were made?
[Btw that was a reply to the person who said fighters dont have enough aoe's]
But I agree whirlwind should be 1min cd since its so weak, but do NOT increase the dmg or leave it 3mins. If they increase dmg/lower cd, then make stun 30secs empowered, 45 secs unempowered and do no dmg :D.
I didn't know Nature's Protection and Peircing Shot were archer AoE's. I thought it was MultiShot, Nature's Mist, Blood Shot(Arrow/somethign similar)
Rejuvinate "looks" like it would be AoE but it is just a cast timed powerful heal.
Recover is the first cleric AoE and cannot have the heal empowered. It does a meager 800 AoE heal to all party members and has a 30sec unempowered CD. It also has a cast time. Invigorate and something else are also Cleric AoE's but I think they are either 7x or 8x.
Kimukai
07-16-2009, 08:00 PM
Boy, those are harsh words, right there... I think you`re generalizing too much, the fact we`re muscular and carry axes around doesn`t mean we`re that dim
THEN AGAIN URE NOT A FITER SO U DUN MATTER LOLOLOLOL
i'm not generalizing.
go ask around any fighters if they are over-powered. ;)
they will say "no".
and if for those (a handful of them) that thinks fighters are not over-powered, please make yourself an alternate and go pvp kq and guildwars.
the power of sparkcash + fighters' skills = B52 Bomber plane.
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 08:02 PM
i'm not generalizing.
go ask around any fighters if they are over-powered. ;)
they will say "no".
and if for those (a handful of them) that thinks fighters are not over-powered, please make yourself an alternate and go pvp kq and guildwars.
the power of sparkcash + fighters' skills = B52 Bomber plane.
I don't think they need SC to be a B62 bomber. Just the right build and/or +9 weapon. I think the SC makes them more like an A-Bomb.
Dthugtherealist
07-16-2009, 08:04 PM
Every class has something wrong with them. I wish all those things could be fixed Im all for giving clerics an Aoe attack why? To keep em interested in the game lots of clerics drop out nowadays its pretty sad. Now fighters......... nobody says anything about them cuz their "perfect" we got like 4 things wrong with us skill wise the other 2 are special defence wise.
WHirlwind yes make it worth empowering to the point were you can use it every min( I don't notice the dmg part cuz it does alright with me) Demoralizing hit wen you empower dmg on something it should go up every tier not just sit there. Mock and Kik ooooo are big bad taunt skills they suk like hell and need improvement. We should get a new Tier of mock and kik every 10 lvls not just have mock 2 till 90 its crazy then we gotta deal with clerics awaken which is like a mock 5.
Now I don;t know why mages/archers/clerics complain about pvp. A fighter with heavy spr gears can still get shredded by mages if you know wat your doing and how to do it. Archers Deva won't hit you if you have just 50dex in your build and end/dex gears wooo too hard ? Clerics you don;t have much attacks why are you trying to fight a fighter just to see how long it will take before you hit the ground?
All these simple things people complain about and then they only focus on the pvp aspect not the pve. People forget that if Deva didn;t have cool downs like what they have wen their fully empowered your mage archers and clerics might hit the floor pretty fast.........
Kimukai
07-16-2009, 08:05 PM
I don't think they need SC to be a B62 bomber. Just the right build and/or +9 weapon. I think the SC makes them more like an A-Bomb.
Anyway, got to thanks the fighters' for using their credit card or their parents'.
They helped to keep this game f2p.
Thank you fighters! You deserved it. Ask for anything you wants and you may probably get it if you promise to buy more SC. ^^
Kimukai
07-16-2009, 08:07 PM
should get a new Tier of mock and kik every 10 lvls not just have mock 2 till 90 its crazy then we gotta deal with clerics awaken which is like a mock 5.
Eh, awaken is nerfed (now is mock 1). Guess cleric knew who ask the developers to nerf awaken to what it is now? ;)
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 08:08 PM
*buys new sc item "Whirlwind CD decrease: Decreases the Cool Down time on the whirlwind skill to 30seconds"*
Eh, awaken is nerfed (now is mock 1). Guess cleric knew who ask the developers to nerf awaken to what it is now? ;)
I use my recover (only AoE/decent Agro holder I have) quite a lot when I tank to keep agro. If my PT lets me get one of those off and after I have spammed healed a few times I can normally keep Agro without a +9 wand in the PT. I can only imagine having all 3 AoE heals (if they don't have the same CD [Which would tick me off since I am one point from maxing CD on recover]) to keep agro since I love clanking ^^
thalegend7695
07-16-2009, 08:10 PM
I didn't know Nature's Protection and Peircing Shot were archer AoE's. I thought it was MultiShot, Nature's Mist, Blood Shot(Arrow/somethign similar)
Rejuvinate "looks" like it would be AoE but it is just a cast timed powerful heal.
Recover is the first cleric AoE and cannot have the heal empowered. It does a meager 800 AoE heal to all party members and has a 30sec unempowered CD. It also has a cast time. Invigorate and something else are also Cleric AoE's but I think they are either 7x or 8x.
Hmm your right natures protection wudnt be its multi shot, and idk the name exactly of tht 75 bleed aoe. And Rejuv is aoe.... effects more then 1 target, aoe's don't have to do dmg or anything, just effect more then 1 target like mock is
drigr_x
07-16-2009, 08:16 PM
Hmm your right natures protection wudnt be its multi shot, and idk the name exactly of tht 75 bleed aoe. And Rejuv is aoe.... effects more then 1 target, aoe's don't have to do dmg or anything, just effect more then 1 target like mock is
Umm... I'm a cleric main and have had Rejuvination for quite some time. Its single target. The only AoE heals for clerics so far are Recover, Awaken (just saw it on another thread to remind me the name) and Invigorate. One is a cast timed AoE heal. Another is an instant cast AoE heal and the third is (I don't know if its instant cast or cast timed) but it is and AoE HoT (Heal over Time)
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/deadlyrose05/Rejuvenate1.jpg-Rejuvenate-
This is your second Heal. Heals for 1.2k....but its not a fast cast like the first one.but shoot the heal is GODLY lol so abuse it as well. Tip for using this effectively is: Time your targets hp goin down then use it. Maybe cast time reduction an Sp Consumption here.