Enchantment System is So Poorly Made

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Who agrees with me? Why cant you take your favorite weapon, and make it glow, and spark without worrying that it will be destroyed when you try? Its so messed up in my opinion instead of your item getting destroyed there should be other penaltys like the item is removed of all enchantments instead of being broken.

Last if your going to keep it as it is there should be a experiance level that goes along with it, such as if you succesfully complete an enchantment you have an enchantment level that goes higher, thus reducing the chance that the item is down graded or destroyed.

[Summit]

Well the cash shop has items to help if you cant afford it..well sorry but ya.. either that or spend hours farming money to try and get your weapon to look spiffy..

[Angelos]

without the destruction of the weapons then a lot of ppl would have a +7,+8,+9 and so on. Which wouldn't make them as rare.

plus, if you want to improve your chances of upgrading, buy a red mile from the item store.. ^^

[Summit]

Also i think the miles are trade able... so buy them off players?

[Garvin2000]

Also i think the miles are trade able... so buy them off players?

nope...nuff said :D

[curly-112]

i think it is fine because of what angelos said :)

[nerdzo]

however my heart shatters when my +6 breaks </3 wahhh T.T *superglues back heart*

[Archaonn]

It's fine how it is, you take the risk of enchanting you take the consequences too.

[SpeedBurner]

My heart shatters into a million pieces when upgrading to +2 fails. >_>

[Cyrogen]

I just exploded a +5 Horseman hammer, but I don't mind, it was taken into consideration, I still have my +6.

I always enhance with 2 items, never upgrade the highest of the 2 items, always upgrade the lowest. If one gets destroyed you still have the higher of the two. Might cost extra on stones, but if I get a item to +9 then I'll have a +8 I can sell *shrug*.

eg 1st to +1, then 2nd to +1, 1st to +2, then 2nd to +2 etc. When one gets destroyed, buy a 2nd & catch the 2nd one up, then continue leveling them both in steps.

I don't do much enhancing at the moment, but I still have my +6 Horseman's hammer, seems like a good method to me.

[daggrr69]

Whatever dude the system is fine how it is

[aznboy28956314]

it's not poorly made, it's fun. It's like gambling your weapon, just risk it. If you are scare to risk your enhancement, the enhancement will probably fail, if you are not afraid to risk it, enhancement will probably be successful. I risk it all the time, but sometimes I run out of money from risking enhancements lol.

[Nerria]

Whatever dude the system is fine how it is

No it isn't. Breaking an item on a +1 with a B.Elrue is broken.

I don't want to complain here, I know it is a gamble and I know you on't need these +'s to play... but I've blown probably a half a gold so far aiming for a +9 weapon which is level 1.

Obviously something is messed up since more than half of my items break at +3 and the general area of moving to Lixes. I've been enchanting forever and I've seen specific patterns, I've seen totally random things, I've had so many '***' moments I can't count them anymore.

The system is not fine, it is broken. At least put a +3 safe cap on for tier 1 weapons or something, because blowing out 500 silver for a level 1 weapon is just ridiculous. Just think about 60 weapons which cost almost 500 silver a piece!

Again though - the enhancements are hardly needed for normal game play - but the system is obviously not fine. It is 100% gamble, it should have some safe cap on items OR they need to put in protection stones for the CS. Because those Red Eyes don't work very well for me so far...

And the CS was my last hope to fix this system.

[Atmor]

It is never guarenteed. No matter what you use no matter how many blessed stones or red miles you use there will always be a chance that it will break. Now I believe you may just be incredibly unlucky or something, because I almost never break anything before I try to lix it. While I have never tried for any plus 9s I know how hard it is to get to +6. I only have one set of +6 equipment and I use it over and over for my farmer. I constantly go to lvl 13 or so and so I have a set of armor and weapons that go with him all +6. Did it take me a long time and alot of money to get this, yes. I believe that the reward far outweighs the risk, and it outweighs the risk even more at higher levels because you are more likely to have that equipment longer. In anycase don't whine to us just because you are annoyed at losing all the stuff you seem willing to risk. If you don't think the risk is worth it, then don't try to enhance. I am sorry if this seems cold or callous, but it is what it is, the truth.

[Nerria]

It is never guarenteed. No matter what you use no matter how many blessed stones or red miles you use there will always be a chance that it will break. Now I believe you may just be incredibly unlucky or something, because I almost never break anything before I try to lix it. While I have never tried for any plus 9s I know how hard it is to get to +6. I only have one set of +6 equipment and I use it over and over for my farmer. I constantly go to lvl 13 or so and so I have a set of armor and weapons that go with him all +6. Did it take me a long time and alot of money to get this, yes. I believe that the reward far outweighs the risk, and it outweighs the risk even more at higher levels because you are more likely to have that equipment longer. In anycase don't whine to us just because you are annoyed at losing all the stuff you seem willing to risk. If you don't think the risk is worth it, then don't try to enhance. I am sorry if this seems cold or callous, but it is what it is, the truth.

The problem lies in the upper levels when items cost 100 silver a piece and you need tier 2 Stones and you need tons of it AND your items get a lower chance of success. Plussing gear at low levels is easy, cheap, and not as effective but it's worth it - especially for my farmer. Just trying to get those last +2. xD

Obviously it is a risk - but it is too much of a gamble to compliment that risk. Sure, it should be very risky to get a +9 item. But you shouldn't have to worry about getting even a simple +3. That should and would be fair to everyone... or at least increase the chance of enhancing at the lower tiers or plusses.

Then again - as I've said numerous times - you don't 'need' to enhance your gear to play but it is a great addition which is to much of a pain for a casual player to get.

I have the resources, I don't care that I've burned half a gold (ok, I care a lot lol) but the fact is the system isn't very fair to players who aren't millionaires. Especially for simple, as I've said, +3.

Seeing as you are possibly replying to me since I said how much I wasted - I was not whining. I was stating a fact to prove the the system is... in crude terms, whacked.

But hey, you're entitled toy our opinion. I just think the players should be able to protect their weapons by paying or get a small +1 bonus without worry. People are afraid to try to plus an item because skills and armor and weapons bare already cost tons of silver. And I feel for them... it is just awkward that this game doesn't have a safety cap.

And now I'm rambling on... oh, if you weren't replying to me about the whining part, forgive me about throwing that at you like that. You didn't quote anyone though and it was a bit confusing. :p

[Summit]

Enchantment is like playing the slots you put the money in over and over noones forcing you too yet you still do after the numerous losses. think of it that way and shrug it off.. ya its a bit of a pain to even get +1 for some people but it isnt like anyones holding a gun to the back of your head yelling ENCHANT NOW OR LOSE YOUR LIFE now are they? ...well i'd hope not. you put the item in you put the stone it isnt real life money sure its annoying you lost a good chunk of your pixelated savings but this isnt the end of the world if you really care about echanting that much you can spend time farming. -shrugs- if you ask me its something to not even bother with till you hit the current level cap and by than (if you dont blow with saving money) you should have endowed yourself well enough on savings to take a little grinding break and try your luck at the slot machines called enchanting.

[cryragon]

Well, enchantment system is practically made to milk money from the player base.

I think I've said this a few days ago in another thread; it's just a matter of time before Outspark released Perfect Red Eyes, Perfect Blue Mills, and Gold Nines. Those cash shop items if combined together will make the whole enchanting process like a child's play.

Tough life awaits if you don't have access to Fiesta Shop in the near future.

[Semaj]

Well, enchantment system is practically made to milk money from the player base.

I think I've said this a few days ago in another thread; it's just a matter of time before Outspark released Perfect Red Eyes, Perfect Blue Mills, and Gold Nines. Those cash shop items if combined together will make the whole enchanting process like a child's play.


i didnt think you could combine those (donno, never bought one), but i didnt believe youd be able to put multiple stones like that in at one time....

[Garvin2000]

i didnt think you could combine those (donno, never bought one), but i didnt believe youd be able to put multiple stones like that in at one time....

you can put multiple cash shop stones at the same time.

[TheRedeemer]

when i had level 1-15 weapons they didn't cost too much so i didn't care if they got destroyed so much but when i reached lvl 20 and found out lvl 20 axe is 6s i decided to only use blessed elrue lix and xir so it wouldn't get destroyed

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

We have a really close race lol.

[HËLLÐËVÎLWØLF]

i lost my wep when i was trying to make my axe to go+9 when it was +8:(

[cb2000a]

Anyone know what the percentage of failure is at the different levels of
refining?

[Summit]

Anyone know what the percentage of failure is at the different levels of
refining?

no % its random i dont know why people COMPLAIN YOU DONT HAVE TO ENHANCE FFS -_- anywho...you take the risk you lose oh well your fault not the games...quit whining people its just PIXELS!

[stainboy]

when i had level 1-15 weapons they didn't cost too much so i didn't care if they got destroyed so much but when i reached lvl 20 and found out lvl 20 axe is 6s i decided to only use blessed elrue lix and xir so it wouldn't get destroyed

hey dude, blessed stone has more success rate than normal stone, but whose success rate is NOT 100%

[stainboy]

i lost my wep when i was trying to make my axe to go+9 when it was +8:(

that's horrible, hope you guy will have some good luck next time:)

[stainboy]

Anyone know what the percentage of failure is at the different levels of
refining?

Definitely the higher level equipment has, the more failure rate you will risk.

[aegrimonia]

Who agrees with me? Why cant you take your favorite weapon, and make it glow, and spark without worrying that it will be destroyed when you try? Its so messed up in my opinion instead of your item getting destroyed there should be other penaltys like the item is removed of all enchantments instead of being broken.

Last if your going to keep it as it is there should be a experiance level that goes along with it, such as if you succesfully complete an enchantment you have an enchantment level that goes higher, thus reducing the chance that the item is down graded or destroyed.

It's fine how it is.. YOU aren't the one refining the item.. the Blacksmith is..

[ikeburner]

i was terrified at first !

now it is one of my fav things to try and do

i stuck with lucky and blessed elrue's:cool: after +3

[DrNeo]

however my heart shatters when my +6 breaks </3 wahhh T.T *superglues back heart*


My heart shatters into a million pieces when upgrading to +2 fails. >_>

well, you both said something that we all feel about, but...

what if you have a +5 shield and then bought a lucky lix

Enhance -> Broken

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put anything you want instead of the stars

from that time i couldn't ever reach +5 to keep it as it is and dont take the risk

[pelmensilverwolf]

The enchantment system only seems broken until you get into it and start marking out your failures and how they go.. there is a definite, repeatable set pattern for each item... I don't claim to know the progression of every item by a long stretch, but I'm making a tidy profit enchanting the fighter buckler to +3 and reselling, and once I found the pattern, I've made a dozen without failing...

It's not as random as people think it is.. try enchanting an item, and then record where the box stops (difficult-ish) but still doable. If you guessed wrong and the item pops, leave the smith, go back, buy a new example of the item, and try again, this time selecting that finishing box.. you'll have an excellent chance of it succeeding... just another little bug to work with

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

It's fine how it is.. YOU aren't the one refining the item.. the Blacksmith is..

Well the black smith dosnt own the items he breaks! X0

[Archaonn]

Well the black smith dosnt own the items he breaks! X0

But he sells you the items....

[GeldrinHor]

I decided a while back to get my enhanced items/weapons by way of special activities...in KQs I have found (on my Cleric, which really helped) a +3 AND +4 Spiked Club (lvl 15 weaps that I couldn't even use at the time I found them) as well as lately, since I have been working Sea of Greed a bit, I have stumbled on Treasure Chests (yes, those wobbling, hoppy chests that are usually sitting right in the middle of a mob of monsters at random intervals over the islands) from which, my last one nabbed me a Lucky Xir, a random green sword (which I banked for my Ftr to use)a couple of rings (levels 7 thru 22 thus far) and Potions (5 of each HP and SP). Plus the chests I gained thru KQs have netted me a few nice things lately (after my first few KQs back before the patch getting me exactly one pair of Jelly earrings (+25 SP...for a FTR??? sigh).
I just decided to stop trying to do the enhancements myself, and work my way thru all this mess using the tools at hand and the luck of the draw (or should I say Drop) to gain additional goodies.

[SpeedBurner]

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS

Some time, probably in the distant future, the enhancement system will change. It will most likely be updated to the Chinese / Korean / Japanese build, which works like this:

+1~3 : You may lose your stone.
+4~6 : You may lose your stone, or your weapon's + level will decrease.
+7~9 : You may lose your stone, your weapon's + level will decrease, or you lose the weapon entirely.

Sounds much, much better, doesn't it?

[Tasuke]

That does sound a lot better, I'm sick of having my weapons break at +1.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS

Some time, probably in the distant future, the enhancement system will change. It will most likely be updated to the Chinese / Korean / Japanese build, which works like this:

+1~3 : You may lose your stone.
+4~6 : You may lose your stone, or your weapon's + level will decrease.
+7~9 : You may lose your stone, your weapon's + level will decrease, or you lose the weapon entirely.

Sounds much, much better, doesn't it?

That is what I want to see, and I agree with the guy above, I really hate it when your weapon breaks at 1 its so demoralizing

[SpeedBurner]

Yes, now let's start kicking the update team to move our game to this stage.

[amonty]

If u dont wanna have risk spend your money buying 'Blessed elrues'

[Exodyus]

Who agrees with me? Why cant you take your favorite weapon, and make it glow, and spark without worrying that it will be destroyed when you try? Its so messed up in my opinion instead of your item getting destroyed there should be other penaltys like the item is removed of all enchantments instead of being broken.

Last if your going to keep it as it is there should be a experiance level that goes along with it, such as if you succesfully complete an enchantment you have an enchantment level that goes higher, thus reducing the chance that the item is down graded or destroyed.

Is this your first MMORPG experience? Lol...

It's how the game is. And since it's a free-based game, it's how they'll end up making their money.
They will release an item for sale that will not allow your weapon/item to break one time. And if it fails, you will not lose your weapon/item -- only the scroll and elrune or whatever you used.

The game is free. You cant make demands and expect so much from a ßeta version game that you downloaded on your own free will.
Are you a programmer?
Can you make the game better with your talents?

The join their team. If not...
...sit back and relax. Chillllllll maaaannnnn....:cool:

[amonty]

Wow results are so similar :p

[fundude93]

i don't see why we can't give a spell to mages or something, so that they can cast a spell that will boost all damage for an entire party and make the weapons look cool



mages would be the only class for this because not many people seem to like them, and my main dude is a mage...

[soysauce2rice]

i don't see why we can't give a spell to mages or something, so that they can cast a spell that will boost all damage for an entire party and make the weapons look cool

Clerics have this spell that enhances offense and defense for either magic or physical... except your weapons don't glow.

I would like if the weapon broke but you can repair it at a fair price from an NPC, not just paying full price for another one. And yeah, +6 and higher weapons and armor will be common if they never broke. I like seeing my weapon glow, but it takes a while to get to that super shiny +6 :]

[fundude93]

yea, i vote we make it a little more often in succeeding, im geting ready to stick a nuclear missile in my computer



every time i get to +7 on my wad, one or 2 tries later, poof its +6...red miles suck...

[fundude93]

woot got my wand all the way to +9!!!!!!!




go me! go me! hurray!



i used red eyes to decrease odds of breakage on the fails, by the way, so try em

[Bystander]

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS

Some time, probably in the distant future, the enhancement system will change. It will most likely be updated to the Chinese / Korean / Japanese build, which works like this:

+1~3 : You may lose your stone.
+4~6 : You may lose your stone, or your weapon's + level will decrease.
+7~9 : You may lose your stone, your weapon's + level will decrease, or you lose the weapon entirely.

Sounds much, much better, doesn't it?
Personally, I would love to see that implemented into the game.