Archers are way underpowered...................................... ...................

[lysol_attk]

Why are archers so underpowered, yeah we can kite but all you other classes(Besides mage) can easlily have so much more hp than the damage we could deal, But archers have terrible HP as well, and you mages make up for it with all your high damage skills, yeah sure we have dexterity for evasion but it doesent help as much as you say it does, and all you fighters have all the power skills, def and hp you need plus more and clerics are meant for dealing large damage because you have all the healing skills you need to survive for a long time so no need for any of you other classes to complain as far as I see but everyone who likes the archer alot seems to wonder the same thing...

[kraisen]

Why are archers so underpowered, yeah we can kite but all you other classes(Besides mage) can easlily have so much more hp than the damage we could deal, But archers have terrible HP as well, and you mages make up for it with all your high damage skills, yeah sure we have dexterity for evasion but it doesent help as much as you say it does, and all you fighters have all the power skills, def and hp you need plus more and clerics are meant for dealing large damage because you have all the healing skills you need to survive for a long time so no need for any of you other classes to complain as far as I see but everyone who likes the archer alot seems to wonder the same thing...

It seems like you're just pointing out the bad sides of archers. How about the fact that no other class can solo a single room so fast that we get begged for parties?

How about the fact that we can tank with evasion?

How about the fact that we're more FUN?

[Orchids_Mantis]

Why are archers so underpowered, yeah we can kite but all you other classes(Besides mage) can easlily have so much more hp than the damage we could deal (1), But archers have terrible HP as well, and you mages make up for it with all your high damage skills (2), yeah sure we have dexterity for evasion but it doesent help as much as you say it does, and all you fighters have all the power skills, def and hp you need (3) plus more and clerics are meant for dealing large damage because you have all the healing skills you need to survive for a long time (4) so no need for any of you other classes to complain (5) as far as I see but everyone who likes the archer alot seems to wonder the same thing...

1) Archer skills are PvE based, not PvP based. If you want to be a PvP class, either ask to lose kiting skills to gain more attack skills, or change classes

2) Mages make up for lack of hp with high damage skills that are mainly used standing still....how?

3) Fighters are supposed to have high hp and aggro-gathering attack skills. They were designed to be tanks. Archers have low hp because they have the ability to kite and dodge more than other classes

4) Clerics are not meant for dealing large amounts of damage. Cleric attacks suck, they have fewer skills than archers for attacking and even those suck. Yes they have heal, but clerics are worse at PvP than archers and worse at solo PvE than mages (which are terrible for solo PvE); so you're just completely wrong on that count.

5) No need for any other class to complain...except mages, who with their lower def, lower eva AND lower hp, have to stand still to cast and/or use almost all of their decent attack skills; and clerics, who suck at soloing period compared to other classes....



So what I see is another thread about how archers are underpowered with no real reasons as to how they are underpowered. So I am guessing what happened was you went into an abyss and couldn't kill anyone so you came here and made this.

[lysol_attk]

It seems like you're just pointing out the bad sides of archers. How about the fact that no other class can solo a single room so fast that we get begged for parties?

First of all No one "Begs us for parties" because theyd rather have mage for aoe damage most of the time

How about the fact that we can tank with evasion?

My *** its a 1 in 10 chance with full evasion

How about the fact that we're more FUN?

Its fun how most of the archers agree with me about us bieng under powered

[darthnish]

d00d you n00b

[Orchids_Mantis]

Its fun how most of the archers agree with me about us bieng under powered

Hm..a class saying it wants more power...that's as surprising as a politician wanting to stay in office

[darthnish]

quite honestly the most annoying ooponent i've met in pvp on my alts is a DEX archer, both my fighters either being full END or full STR have a very hard time landing a stun, and even if we do killing the archer is harder, epseically if pots are invlovled, so most of the time i just put on a 1h and shiled and go afk, they may not be able to kil me, and the same goes for me.

[zipiouch]

archers arent underpowered ._. maybe its just the way YOU use them lol

the rest of us arent complaining xD cuz we KNOW how 2 use em lol

[sk8r_dude]

*Sigh*






Clerics ftw
End of story

[byron007]

Yes they are.

[TwinBlade887]

Why are archers so underpowered, yeah we can kite but all you other classes(Besides mage) can easlily have so much more hp than the damage we could deal, But archers have terrible HP as well, and you mages make up for it with all your high damage skills, yeah sure we have dexterity for evasion but it doesent help as much as you say it does, and all you fighters have all the power skills, def and hp you need plus more and clerics are meant for dealing large damage because you have all the healing skills you need to survive for a long time so no need for any of you other classes to complain as far as I see but everyone who likes the archer alot seems to wonder the same thing...

Really, it depends on how you look at it. PvP-wise, maybe a bit from lack of PvP skills(though Clerics fall short here as well).

PvE-wise however, Archers have it pretty easy 51+ which is not hard to get to at all with all this new content for lower levels(>.>).

Archers do not have terrible HP, if you think it's low, get some END gears. At the very least, our HP is enough to be able to solo kite an entire room in abyss. In fact, many would probably agree that Aarchers are very effecient solo AoE'ing.

Fighters and Mages may have very powerful moves, but most aren't nearly as effecient in soloing. A Fighter must always be in range to be hit in order to attack at all; a Mage must keep his or her distance so they won't be squished.

Your rant mostly rotates around PvP. An Archer's damage comes from their power of mass DoT damage. If you want to PvP someone, I suppose getting SC items is one of the only ways.

[emonicarcher]

archers only are underpowered designed on builds/empower and the person playing them for example

pve is easy for archer 51+ as long as u know how to run without stopping like some archers do xD

pvp is way different its not easy to pvp as an archer the best way i could prob think of other then SC items is max power and cd on power and aimed shot if u have the right build power shot can be an amazingly powerful skill i sugjest u follow dolly's guide for empowerment builds and such

archers have there own power just not pvp wise ;D

[TITLE]

Ironic thread...

Tell me why archers pull aggro much better than other classes? Oh that's right, archer's aren't underpowered...

[darthnish]

well in pvp we are :3

[TITLE]

well in pvp we are :3


Prove it! =O

[skysparkle]

i love pvp on my archer and shes not even a dex build :p ........no not +9ed either :D

[Orchids_Mantis]

Archers are the only class with attacks that IGNORE (that's right, complete bypass of) +9 or statted armor. So whereas clerics and fighters have to try to work through it, and even mages have to try to burn through any SPR gear; certain archer attacks will always deal the same damage regardless. This makes them the only class that can stand up to full +9 set +9 weapon cookied scrolled up players in the abyss with a hope of winning; other classes -if you assume they too have +9 weapons and armor to stay alive- don't deal enough damage after all the cookies scroll and added defense from refining to do wipe out all the hp before they have a chance to recoup.

[chemical-a]

Archers are so not underpowered. When I used to do MD they would hit so much on the monsters and take aggression from just their DOT's. I have fought some deadly archers, most of which are +25 SPr with the rest of their points on DEX. Maybe you just have not put your points at the best possible option. They may not be PVP material always but their ability to kite makes them wanted for quests and abyssal parties.

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[darthnish]

dude, my DoTs barely dent any extended class(exept mages) my lvl

[shoha94]

U Crazy dude archers are so cool. As a mage i miss archers a lot. :D Archer FTW

[darthnish]

yea er its great that you miss a lot, really saves me stones. but it would be awesome if you DIED as well >.>

[defcom]

dude, my DoTs barely dent any extended class(exept mages) my lvl

I can agree with the quote above.....

And to add to that, some mages won't need to be extended to take an archer out. I've faced mages around my own lvl (non-SCed duel) and their skills alone are enough to win a 1v1 encounter if they use them strategically. Other than that, Archers are usually able to beat mages with their combined DoTs and reg attack.

Against another Archer of equal mastery of their char...its pretty even unless one person has a better build for PvP or just plain old better equip. Against the 2 melee classes....you're really gonna have to work for your win, unless the opponent just doesn't know what they're doing.

In the PvP aspect of the game....Imo, Archers are mediocre. They can certainly do some damage and kite to survive, but they have no defensive skills until late IG (also to mention, those def skills are currently unempowerable). If you ever have to go against a Fighter/Mage late IG levels, you're gonna get hurt BAD when they land a shot or open up with their own status effect skills.

I may even go further and say Clerics are a notch above Archers late IG level.

Why?....cuz even if you can't kill fast, you can at least survive, given the fact that you have 3 different methods of healing yourself (Spam healing skills, use stones, use pots and if you don't die = no win, but also no defeat).

To be able to survive waves of skills spammed onto you, until the person just gets tired of attacking, is pretty funny and satisfying. Having to rely on Opponent Misses (which dodging is really random) is not as reliable. I would trust more on a cleric's ability to spam heal than an Archer's chance of dodge for survival.

For PvE....i'd have to say that at lv 51+ leveling is great for an Archer. At 75, it gets even better now that you have Piercing Shot AOE. But what about 9x and beyond? Well, the mobs in abyss hit much harder....so does the mobs outside of abyss. If you do not have +9s and you don't have the ability to afford SC items to help you level (Ie. extenders, teva, charms, crit suits) your "Easy Solo Leveling" is a load of BS.

Compared to other classes....Archers have it better than mages and clerics when it comes to Soloing. But take into account partying in the late IG levels....you'll see a lot of parties fill up when you have a cleric/mage present and/or fighter to tank. Hence...you'll see why mages take priority over Archers in long Grind Parties.

[lysol_attk]

dude, my DoTs barely dent any extended class(exept mages) my lvl


Exactly to be honest forget about everything else, but as an archer all it would be nice to see is an increase in the dot maybe even if its only by 5-10 for each dot skill, jsut an increase would be nice followed up by/or longer dot limit that it deals damage

[darthnish]

Compared to other classes....Archers have it better than mages and clerics when it comes to Soloing. But take into account partying in the late IG levels....you'll see a lot of parties fill up when you have a cleric/mage present and/or fighter to tank. Hence...you'll see why mages take priority over Archers in long Grind Parties.

tis true, this is why i quit my archer, i checked my sc lsit the other day, i realsied i had used 9 touch cookie packs and 17 stacks of 20% charms to gain 3 levels, no more sc spending on ewo from me.

[defcom]

tis true, this is why i quit my archer, i checked my sc lsit the other day, i realsied i had used 9 touch cookie packs and 17 stacks of 20% charms to gain 3 levels, no more sc spending on ewo from me.

;-; What! Noooo...Ewo you can't stop being an Archer. I take back my previous post >.< ....tis all false!!! It'll be another lonely day if I see no other archers in the higher maps (sits in emo corner)

Anyways, I do not think Archers are completely "underpowered". My theory is that our character class is not made to specialize in PvP dominance like a Fighter and maybe the Mage. Archers are like average in PvP as opposed to Clerics which can't really kill fast at all.

Now this sucks that we aren't UBER at PvP, but what concerns me even more is that the demand of Archers for PvE partying purposes (late IG levels) are becoming 2nd thought. Since our DoTs are only really used to the fullest over a longer period of time....our DoT damage does not compare well to a mages AOEs with nova/inferno initial M.Dmg + tick M.Dmg.

This causes the role of an Archer in a party to be limited to either just Kiting AOE dmg the mob altogether or act as a mob puller, so that the main force destroys the mob

The 1st role is often seen in the lv50 abyss when everyone wants the archer to mass NM AOE mobs for exp. This leaves other party mems who are not Archers/Clerics w/o a vital role in a Kite Session. Later on IG, the demand for Kiters decrease as Mages get their Nova/Inferno. With a party grinding, it is more effective to take a stationary combat, instead of kiting, so that all pt mems (regardless if they're archers or not) are able to spam skills equally during the grind.

The 2nd role is most likely seen in parties with a Fighter to tank and a mage to Nuke. Archers can drop DoT dmg to multiple enemies, weakening them, and drawing them to the main force. This is a great adv if you have an Archer pull.

Ok...so I can see why kiting has less demand later on, but even so the Archer's 2nd role as mob puller is becoming less useful as other classes can do the same. Don't get me wrong, Archers are great Pullers but this role can easily be filled by any other class.

Ex- Fighters/Cleric getting on rider luring mobs, Mage MB kiting specific mobs.

[nekurayorusachi]

The only way they can be underpowered is in pvp since after lvl 70 most classes like mage fighter or cleric would have +9 armor,so it would be harder to kill people your lvl , thoguht it doesnt mean were not completely powerless in pvp ive seen a few great archers :) . but lvling wise they are not underpowered at all, they can mob wtih ease and with their run aoe makes it much easier and faster to solo then any other class.

[KungFuHobo]

Fail.

The only thing I ever wanted on my archer was for my DoT's to do Higher DPS over a shorter ammount of time, but eh- wat'cha gonna do?

Archers are awesome o:
It just depends who is playing the char ._.;

[Krozz]

How'd you do that? :o No ones saying you're just whining OR that you fail at playing your class, even though they have no idea of how good you may or may not be.

Now, as for why I believe archers AREN'T underpowered

1.) Can kite AoE. This is amazing for soloing, giving archers a huge edge over mages.
2.) DoT. If your DoT hits, nothing stops it or slows it down. It's gonna to the same ammount of damage no matter how many def charms they layer on. Sure it's not massive, but it can put the hurt on Str fighters and all mages, with their low hp and all.
3.) Evasion. Since classes tend to use their highest damaging weapons, (and thus have lower aim) for PvP, evasion is EXTREMELY helpful. Even with just a couple misses per fight, that can be hundreds of damage that's prevented, which is massive.
4.) Can't be kited. This means that mages can't run away when they realise they can't touch you.

So, archers may not have the highest damage, but the way they're made they're pretty much designed to do 2 things. Solo and kill mages. Not a bad hand be dealt, what with everyone claiming that mages = gods.

[tempacc]

dude, my DoTs barely dent any extended class(exept mages) my lvl

Thus proving that it's the cash shop that is overpowered, not the class. Moving on.

[Kurayamiblack]

1) Archer skills are PvE based, not PvP based
This is true, but I personally believe it shouldn't be this way. IMO, all classes should have some sort of reliable PvP support, even if it's not a whole lot. I've said it a million times and I'll say it once more, Archers need Entangle at an early level with a 5 second effect. While Archers solo like a dream in PvE, it almost seems like you're not allowed to go into PvP without Spark Cash. If you complain about it, the first thing people bring up is your PvE greatness but the way I see it, no class should have to be restricted to just PvE/PvP. I'm not asking to make Archers godly, by all means the Fighter can keep that title but it would be nice if I didn't have to spend $25 worth of SC stuff just to keep up.

I found that END mages tend to have a much easier time soloing than most other mages and still do decent in PvP with the right gears, so it's not unheard of to have a mage that can solo well in PvE, it's just that almost nobody ever approves of an END mage over an INT mage so the general public excells at PvP and needs a party for PvE. But my point is that even after straying away from the PvP build (INT), for a more PvE based style, they still hold up in PvP with moves like Drain Mind and the eventual ability to kite with Magic Blast, not to mention the occasional Mana Burn gets a kill on the unsuspecting once in a while, then you get Stifel. But For Archers, if you don't go DEX, you don't go PvP... at all (as far as I've seen). Almost every Fighter build can do both PvP and PvE, Mages can sacrifice some PvP for PvE, but Archers are the only class that IMO have to completely give up on PvP if they decide to do an unusual build and that doesn't seem right. Every class should have at least 1 good PvP skill, preferably a Debuff like Stun, Entangle, Fear that doesn't directly affect HP but sets the opponent up.

Now Clerics... I don't know what to say about them. They solo PvE well from what I've seen, they just don't kill very fast so overall they're the least effective and in PvP, well... I'm an underpowered Archer and they still don't kill me often. Clerics get it real bad. No repect either. Everyone wants a buff, and they thing the only thing you're good for is healing them, because according to them, if you take your own safety as more important than theirs, you're doing it wrong... whis is BS IMO because Clerics can still tank and if you die they can Rev you but when they die, they can't rev themselves. I think Clerics need a solid PvP skill more than archers but IMO, all classes should have a PvP skill that's strategy based rather than power based (which seems more like an Archer's job above Fighters and Mages, but...)

[darthnish]

How'd you do that? :o No ones saying you're just whining OR that you fail at playing your class, even though they have no idea of how good you may or may not be.

Now, as for why I believe archers AREN'T underpowered

1.) Can kite AoE. This is amazing for soloing, giving archers a huge edge over mages.
2.) DoT. If your DoT hits, nothing stops it or slows it down. It's gonna to the same ammount of damage no matter how many def charms they layer on. Sure it's not massive, but it can put the hurt on Str fighters and all mages, with their low hp and all.
3.) Evasion. Since classes tend to use their highest damaging weapons, (and thus have lower aim) for PvP, evasion is EXTREMELY helpful. Even with just a couple misses per fight, that can be hundreds of damage that's prevented, which is massive.
4.) Can't be kited. This means that mages can't run away when they realise they can't touch you.

So, archers may not have the highest damage, but the way they're made they're pretty much designed to do 2 things. Solo and kill mages. Not a bad hand be dealt, what with everyone claiming that mages = gods.


um dude, 9x lvls, try soloing mobs that have the ability to 2 hit you, especially when you lag o so much <3

[darthnish]

;-; What! Noooo...Ewo you can't stop being an Archer. I take back my previous post >.< ....tis all false!!! It'll be another lonely day if I see no other archers in the higher maps (sits in emo corner)



nuu kitsu dont worry there will always be some high lvl archers around and have you seen the archer class in aion? 8D tis the best skill set i've seen in any mmo game!

[Moxxie]

Imagine solo grinding at TR at lvl 72 without sc at all

[TwistedFreak]

Why are archers so underpowered, yeah we can kite but all you other classes(Besides mage) can easlily have so much more hp than the damage we could deal, But archers have terrible HP as well, and you mages make up for it with all your high damage skills, yeah sure we have dexterity for evasion but it doesent help as much as you say it does, and all you fighters have all the power skills, def and hp you need plus more and clerics are meant for dealing large damage because you have all the healing skills you need to survive for a long time so no need for any of you other classes to complain as far as I see but everyone who likes the archer alot seems to wonder the same thing...


*looks at profile page.....notice archer only lvl 47.......laughs*

stop ya whining and actually get your archer to lvl 51 b4 u complain abotu being them being underpowered.

archers are in no way unpowered, we pull agro of most ppl with ease, we can pvp very well if played right and to quote:


we do its called kiting

archers r lvling gods if they were pvp gods too no one would play any other class

cleric have way more to complain about in pvp than archers do

read the quote skysparkle sums it up perfectly :)

archers are a gr8 class for lvling not gr8 in pvp yes but we can still kill in pvp and enjoy it enough and even win pvp kq's if u learn to play yoru character right and to your builds best abilities, learn the weakness of other classes and use it against them.

learn to play your class better, actually get yoru archer high enough to find out just how gr8 they are. and stop whining ><

no 1 plays archers in games for pvp anyways mages and fighters always the dmg class in game if u want to deal loads of dmg.


sry if this sounds harsh but so many of these threads about lately and archers are not underpowered at all.

[TITLE]

Someone needs to redefine the Archer class.

[lysol_attk]

agreed defcom

[FlaredanceR]

Pfft... the only thing I think is wrong at all with archers is the fact that we have about half as many skills as any other class. Heck, after lv 40 the next new skill isn't till what, 50? But it really doesn't matter. If you can USE an archer correctly, then nothing should be wrong.

[aiken333]

Wield a speed scroll and you won't be underpowered XD

[BloodMage78]

Imagine solo grinding at TR at lvl 72 without sc at all

Lol for me it was impossible and led to my break form apoline. It was hard to grind there. i died with a buff and scrolls. Didnt have any +9's tho. All gear has lots of end/dex on it tho.

Now that ive been back. Sc pots/charm/extenderes work wonders. Although now that ive tried 9x abyss, i prefer 9x over TR

[tempacc]

Someone needs to redefine the Archer class.

Working on it. ;)

[defcom]

Okay, to say we're "underpowered" is a strong word to describe the Archer community. I can agree with some of the OP's points but if I were asked to describe it, I'd say we're "limited" in what we can do.



learn to play your class better, actually get yoru archer high enough to find out just how gr8 they are. and stop whining ><

no 1 plays archers in games for pvp anyways mages and fighters always the dmg class in game if u want to deal loads of dmg.

sry if this sounds harsh but so many of these threads about lately and archers are not underpowered at all.
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Ok I can agree with what you're saying to a certain extent. Most games do set close combat or Magic classes to be the likely candidates for PvP (Massive dmg from afar + massive dmg up close).

For Fiesta Archers its more like:
We spam our skills > find out that we don't do enough to tip the outcome of battle > kite to keep distance from melee attackers.

Against other ranged classes...its a slug fest to see who can outshoot the other.
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When you talk about playing a character class better, do you mean:
--> Planning out which skills to use at the appropriate moment
--> How to build your character towards an end goal
--> Acquiring and planning your equip choices

Now you could consider all of the pts above, but even if you've developed your techniques to become the Master of Fiesta Archery, theres only so much you can do with what inherently given to you.
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If you've ever tried being an Archer in the late IG levels...you'll notice that it takes every bit of focus to survive w/o the heavy use of SC. Due to the fact that Archers have no Defensive Status Effect Skills until lv100, we are Inherently at a disadv in PvP. We don't have the blessing of being able to stun, stifle, fear, sp drain, lower att spd--dex--dmg debuffs, slow travel spd against an opponent. The skills mentioned above, all contribute to disrupting enemy function and making survival or victory more feasible.

In PvE, you'll see Archers do wonders. Then you reach Lv9x +. At that point and beyond, you should be very concious that you don't bite off more than you can chew. You won't see many Archers soloing mass armies behind them, unless they have the help of SC leveling items or are decked out with +9s.

So the whole notion of Archers being PvE Dominators, it is true to a certain extent. In the lower levels, you can get away with not having to spend on much, if any, SC to keep yourself alive and well as you train. Like when you can go into the abyss 6x and have the whole large room of Orcs kited to death into a massive trail of dead bodies.

Now I dare you to try to do the same thing in the 9x abyss/dungeons w/o SC and try to grab a mob = to the quantity of what you'd see inhabit a whole large room in the 60 abyss. I'd like to see an Archer do that and kite everything to death w/o dieing. Yeah we may be better off than other classes at soloing, but it comes at a high price. To have to rely on paying up big (IG money or IRL $$) to efficiently solo is NOT a wonderful determinant of "PvE Dominance".


**Sorry for the wall of text. This post is not intended to sound mean or condescending. I am posting with the intent to bring in a new or otherwise different perspective to this Topic.

[xxzachxadauchixx]

The term UNDERPOWERED is definitely not the correct term to use when in reference to any of the classes. Fiesta has attempted and succeeded at balancing the power between the classes - well better than on most of the MMORPGS that I have played. I don't think that Archers are underpowered at all.

I recently started playing and my main at this moment is only a level 41 archer and as an Archer I'd like to say: "No we are no 'underpowered" and "No, we are not limited." The archer class is actually one of the BEST classes in a case of Player Versus Player or Player Versus Environment. DEX is our key to success - why? I'll tell you why. Dexterity gives us the advantage because it boosts up our evasion and our aim. With really high DEX we are able to land a hit almost ALWAYS, except when there is a really big gap between levels or stats. You also seem to forget how evasive archers really are - I agree our defense isn't good but chances of us getting hit isn't even 65% if you ask me.

Did I forget to mention how we get three Damage Per Second Skills (DPS) before we even reach level sixty? Take in to account that when you empower a skill and grow levels, slowly but surely the empowerment also increases in strength. That combined with our DPS skills, combined with our aim stats creates a deadly foe. We have the ability to cause our enemies continual effective damage over a period of time and still attack them from a distance.

How can a fighter kill you if he can't even reach you? How many times can a cleric heal themselves and stone until all the damage we deal adds up? It's not the class that is 'underpowered' but the person who fails to use the class properly.

:]<3

[hyutten]

<---I've recently been playing my archer over the past three weeks. Im in my 5xs. During my 40s i was able to get 1st place in pvp kq, without even buffing several times. And I'm not trying to brag, but gettin the pvp ideal outa the way. Before you get to mist, kitin one by one can be rather slow, but the second you get to 51 everyone will beg you to kite for them. Archers are perhaps the greatest PvE class, and can be a large problem except for clerics (like really good ones). For pvp simply ignore all the gears and builds, and pretend you got whites on and you havent decided to put in any free stat points.. Skill builds make an archer stronger or weaker, the key is in that, as well as knowing when to use your skills and to the fullest extent (Kite your moves that you can kite, since it just makes your chance of survivable all the more possible. Archer are not underpowered, as long as you can make them the least bit good

[prasss]

The term UNDERPOWERED is definitely not the correct term to use when in reference to any of the classes. Fiesta has attempted and succeeded at balancing the power between the classes - well better than on most of the MMORPGS that I have played. I don't think that Archers are underpowered at all.

I recently started playing and my main at this moment is only a level 41 archer and as an Archer I'd like to say: "No we are no 'underpowered" and "No, we are not limited." The archer class is actually one of the BEST classes in a case of Player Versus Player or Player Versus Environment.

... You know all classes are balanced throughout all levels but you're only lvl 41.. ok

[defcom]

I recently started playing and my main at this moment is only a level 41 archer and as an Archer I'd like to say: "No we are no 'underpowered" and "No, we are not limited." The archer class is actually one of the BEST classes in a case of Player Versus Player or Player Versus Environment. DEX is our key to success - why? I'll tell you why. Dexterity gives us the advantage because it boosts up our evasion and our aim. With really high DEX we are able to land a hit almost ALWAYS, except when there is a really big gap between levels or stats. You also seem to forget how evasive archers really are - I agree our defense isn't good but chances of us getting hit isn't even 65% if you ask me.

Did I forget to mention how we get three Damage Per Second Skills (DPS) before we even reach level sixty? Take in to account that when you empower a skill and grow levels, slowly but surely the empowerment also increases in strength. That combined with our DPS skills, combined with our aim stats creates a deadly foe. We have the ability to cause our enemies continual effective damage over a period of time and still attack them from a distance.

How can a fighter kill you if he can't even reach you? How many times can a cleric heal themselves and stone until all the damage we deal adds up? It's not the class that is 'underpowered' but the person who fails to use the class properly.

:]<3

Ok I bolded the text that I'm gonna respond to:

As for boasting about our evasion, yes we do have better evasion compared to other classes. For mobs in this case, you stand a good chance to dodge in PvE if you are high dex. The problem with evasion is that we don't have a clear forumula to determine our dodge success.

Even if you are full dex, sporting some of the highest evasion, you may go into a fight PvE/PvP and end up taking a whole string of attacks in one instance, whereas in another, you might not even get touched. Yes, you are more likely to dodge given that you are high dex, but when you reach the later levels and have to face opponents with better equipment and higher aim, your chances to dodge becomes less reliable.
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As for the 3 DoT skills, it is very effective against opponents with low hp such as Mages and sometimes other Archers. Against a cleric, you're not gonna take them out unless they lag, are much lower level than you, or have the worst equipment one can have. It may be easier to take out clerics at the lower levels, but once they get to around Lv60+, when their def, and healing skills increase....you're not gonna be able to take them out. They'll just spam heal, rejuv, restore, invinc, stones, hp pots, cure, and/or shroom in the process. Believe me when I say.....Archer vs Cleric is annoying and almost endless.

Against Fighters, you'll have to stick the 3 DoTs on them in order to take full adv of your poison. Fighters in the 9x levels have around 4-5k HP unextended. If they use one stone, they'd recover just about half of their hp, not counting the use of potions. But you have to ask yourself....is it worth stopping a few seconds to use Aim + Power Shot as the fighter is closing in?

I'll just say, that in the later IG levels, its not uncommon to see fighters 3-4 hit an archer. You can kite...but only for so long until you have to make a turn or reach a dead end. At that point you better be sure that the dex gives you a miss, or else you're gonna get hurt with the full skill spam of a fighter. I can assure you that most Fighters will survive your DoTs with stones alone. If you've invested empowerments on the 3 Single Target DoTs for PvP purposes, you've prob spent pts in places that could have gone into something more useful.

As for your statement "How can a fighter kill you if he can't reach you?" The answer is no, he/she isn't going to kill you if you have a Run Scroll on and the fighter doesn't. As long as you don't hit any dead ends or make too many turns you can keep your distance. If you have to face a Fighter w/o a run scroll, you will eventually be caught. In Guild Wars, you better hope that the enemy doesn't get on their rider either....cuz kiting won't save you from a Mounted Fighter.

[TITLE]

Ok I bolded the text that I'm gonna respond to:

As for boasting about our evasion, yes we do have better evasion compared to other classes. For mobs in this case, you stand a good chance to dodge in PvE if you are high dex. The problem with evasion is that we don't have a clear forumula to determine our dodge success.

Even if you are full dex, sporting some of the highest evasion, you may go into a fight PvE/PvP and end up taking a whole string of attacks in one instance, whereas in another, you might not even get touched. Yes, you are more likely to dodge given that you are high dex, but when you reach the later levels and have to face opponents with better equipment and higher aim, your chances to dodge becomes less reliable.
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*Not the best formula around, but it's better than nothing*

Try Aim ÷ Evasion = .Xxx x 100
Subract +xx.x% from Freestats in Evasion to Xx.x%

Ex. of Avg. lv50 Fighter(+55STR) VS lv50 Archer(+50DEX/+5whatever)
*Note the aim and evasion are just random figures I popped in to give a general idea*

320(aim) ÷ 470(evasion) = 68.1% (chance to get hit) or 100 - 68.1 = 31.9% to dodge.
31.9% + 10.0%(from Freestats) = 41.9% to dodge.

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41.9% sounds big right? Well that's what it looks like with just the build, excluding scrolls, buffs, or benefits to do with DEX. Throw in a fighter's Immobilize and that 41.9% will fall greatly as well as a aim scroll.

But level 50 is nicer than 91+.. once there we're talking 1k aim VS 1k evasion which is.. well, you should know.

Again, this isn't a solid formula yet it's better to see something than nothing.

[zetsu5]

archers arent underpowered ._. maybe its just the way YOU use them lol

the rest of us arent complaining xD cuz we KNOW how 2 use em lol

Ya Thats True, its not the character but the person who uses it... Try and lvl up to atleast a 100 and see if U are "UNDERPOWERED" Dont complain cause im a cleric that deals only a x00 dmg per hit and archers the same lvl or lower than my lvl can deal at least 4x the dmg I get per hit...

[93rawr93]

What?! What a crazy thing to say. I made a fighter, cleric and a mage before making an archer and when I made it I was like BEST CLASS EVER VAROOOM UP THE LVLS. There's a technique to being an archer and you need concentration to do good. At lvl 70 you can kite the entire tr main room with just a speed scroll for 2% per mob. Compare that to fighters, clerics, and mages all partying at lvl 70 and killing 1 thing at a time. We're super duper ninjas if you can handle your archer properly. I have +9 max end armor too and I usually end up tanking things but it all depends on your build :D

[defcom]

What?! What a crazy thing to say. I made a fighter, cleric and a mage before making an archer and when I made it I was like BEST CLASS EVER VAROOOM UP THE LVLS. There's a technique to being an archer and you need concentration to do good. At lvl 70 you can kite the entire tr main room with just a speed scroll for 2% per mob. Compare that to fighters, clerics, and mages all partying at lvl 70 and killing 1 thing at a time. We're super duper ninjas if you can handle your archer properly. I have +9 max end armor too and I usually end up tanking things but it all depends on your build :D

Well I can definitely agree with you there....run scrolls are SOO very helpful to an archer. It ups your chances of survival by 10-fold. But anyways in PvE Archers are Superb at lvling if you have the the equipment and/or SC items to back you up.

W/o the extra enhancement bonuses that come from +9 armors and weapons or the help of SC, lvling becomes much more tedious and challenging when you get to the higher levels. If you're fortunate to afford a whole +9 set of equipment, then you're going to breeze through so much more easier than without.

However, when we're talking about gameplay as an Archer:
To have to rely on SC to enh everything or to make oneself a killing machine offsets the game's natural challenge factor. As anyone with the $$$ can easily say that they "own or pwn".

If you're an Archer, just try to duel the other 3 classes in the late IG levels. You'll see theres not a lot of Archers dominating the PvP aspect of the game. As for PvE later IG, it isn't a walk in the park with massive gains like people say it is. Now don't get me wrong...archers have it better when it comes to soloing mobs in comparison to other classes.

Even so I'll say it again....you won't see many archers late IG levels mobbing huge armies like you use to see in the mid levels. This is b/c later IG mobs have both higher hp/aim and the ability to take chuncks out of you. So the Archer's "PvE Dominance" is true only to a certain extent.

[byron007]

Archers are seriously underpowered...

I mean, our damage SUX, like, look at the hellgaits:
Mage HG: Own
Fighter HG: Really own...
Cleric HG: even they own...
Then Archer hgs: Wow, a HG bow gives me 2k+ damage!! and Zomfg, a HG xbow has what, 3.7kish damage? -__-;

Then pvp:
Archer vs Mage: If the mage's aim/def really sucks, then the archer wins, unless his mg def is really low.
Archer vs Archer Depends on who has more def/dmg, bow or xbow, builds and who spams their aidz better.
Archer vs Cleric -Buys tons of crit s**** and prays for lags- Also, a lvl 95 archer with HG bow+NS+Crit****t, Couldn't kill my lvl 7x cleric who has just a +9 Shield, sad eh?
Archer vs Fighter EVA is kinda useless against fighters, I mean: 1 immo and a stun...and 1313124989852 -rolls- SPLAT. Now, sure, we could like -run and spam aidz till they die- But Most fighters my lvl, dude, u can run as far away as you want, it's just a waste of stones for both classes, lol.

Our DoTs:

Well, they suck too xD.
btw we're missing some NS upgrades: http://www.fiestaonline.net/guide/listSkill.asp?classType=3
Example (95 archer): Veno lvl88 (77 DoT), PS lvl95 (84 DoT) and NS lvl91lvl83 (72 DoT)
That would be: 77+84+72 = 233 (I btw might be wrong about this, I suck at math)
So that's, 233 DoTdmg (if all dots stack), + let's say, 210 normal damage = 443 damage..
A mage would die by this DoT-damage, unless some certain skills aren't on cd.
A fighter would just waste his stones. Try kiting a 8k HP fighter whose stones heal, like what , 2/3k? (I know fighters with 8k+ HP who I can't even kill when they stone while shrooming O_O)
A cleric would just, well y'know: *Cures and laughs*, : DD haha that archer, *heals again* ..damn I'm wasting mah stones*
And, don't we all love those resistance necklaces T.T.

Why Archers suck in pvp: Our sucky damage, our sucky DoTs, Hgs don't miss us, Eva is useless against fighters (Immo), our weak skill damage, Aimed/Power shot (the only skills that actually have some decent dmg) cast time sucks, and the list goes on and on~ x.X;

So yeah, Archers are underpowered. We suck in pvp. We do rock in pve though, well not always, mages easily outdmg me in parties, but solo, we own. =P

[boomdude111]

PvP wise archer's are underpowered, and tbh, even PvE wise

Before I post, yes I have an archer, it's lvl 100 and I have been playing for a little over a year now.

Now, the reason archer's are underpowered is simply because they are based on chance. Facts are archers mainly rely on their evasion or their crit, both of which with sc don't even matter. Now PvP wise look, tell me when a fear or stifle doesn't work, oh wait, there is a 100% chance that they success. Compared to fighters we have lower damage and defense so we are weaker, thats just the facts. Our main attack is our DoT's correct? How come there are necklaces that help them be resisted, as well as pots, and monsters that aren't even affected by them? With the new necklaces and proper buffs, there is even a 100% chance of having resistance, that said what's the point of even having DoT's anymore? And my archer went ranger, so yeah i have hide and binding, but unlike fear and stifle, half of the time my skills fail, there is a percent chance that they succeed. Evasion and Crit both work on percents, so there is a chance you will win and a chance you will lose, other classes don't have to worry about that, less chance involved.

Don't get my wrong, I love my archer, and lvling wise they are the best class in the game, and imo even the best at making money, they are a blast to play and I enjoy playing my archer over my fighter, but at the same time facts are facts.

[byron007]

Our main attack is our DoT's correct? How come there are necklaces that help them be resisted, as well as pots, and monsters that aren't even affected by them?

Yeah, I don't get that either, it's so @#@#@$'d up. Most of the time my DoTs get resisted now that many are using the lvl 95 Blessed necklaces.


And my archer went ranger, so yeah i have hide and binding, but unlike fear and stifle, half of the time my skills fail, there is a percent chance that they succeed.

Wow, dude are you serious? That's just sad. Both hide and entangle have a chance that they succeed? Woot, another reason to not lvl to 100 :P

So, our DoTs suck, our dmg sucks, Eva is useless, our skills have a change to fail. Lol, why did I even make an archer x.x;

[TheCompanions]

I Do agree with byron and boomdude...
Thats Why I don't Play my Archer Till they get fixed ._.
mage ftw~

[defcom]

Yeah, I don't get that either, it's so @#@#@$'d up. Most of the time my DoTs get resisted now that many are using the lvl 95 Blessed necklaces.

Wow, dude are you serious? That's just sad. Both hide and entangle have a chance that they succeed? Woot, another reason to not lvl to 100 :P

So, our DoTs suck, our dmg sucks, Eva is useless, our skills have a change to fail. Lol, why did I even make an archer x.x;
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OMG....I'd hate to add onto your long list...but also heard that Ensnare, Blind Shot, and Disarm are unempowerable. Thats the last bit of info i heard about Archer skills. And yes I agree with you guys that right now....Archers are falling behind when it comes to getting some much needed fixes.

What I also don't understand is, if fear/deva is empowerable, why can't our Ensnare/Disarm/Blind Shot be? Seriously, we all know how awesome deva is for a fighter. We all know how awesome fear is for a mage. Heck, both skills when caste gives a huge adv to the player and lasts quiet a while. But then we look at the Archer's new line up of skills. Our Blind shot lasts like 3 secs, then we have Ensnare, and Disarm, which I'm not too sure about. But I'm hearing that if you hotkey your weapon that completely fixes it. On the other hand, I've heard that Hide works wonders.
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>;O i mean....c'mon now. Blind shot makes your screen grey out but it doesn't stop the player from attacking or healing (they just can't see for a measely 3sec) Believe me, I've had blind shot caste on me and it really didn't last long enough at all. In fact, if an archer was dueling me and casted blind shot from the start, I'd immediately proceed with spamming my skill set and hitting the keys for stoning and hp potting and I'd be fine. Those 3sec where you can't see your screen isn't scary at all b/c its effect is short-lived. On top of that, as of now, theres no way of lengthening it through empowerments. It's CD is also pretty long.

Then you have ensnare, ok thats probably one of the better skills to have as an archer (most useful against fighters or fleeing opponents). Now even though I hear its still unempowerable and it doesn't last nearly as long compared to Deva/Fears durations, it is still useful in that you can caste it and make sure that a melee class doesn't get near you. Its also useful so opponents can't flee or chase you some more. Ok now thats not bad....The down side to it is that skill still doesn't stop the opponent from attacking you. If you're a mage/archer you'll be fine retaliating. Now agaisnt a Fighter, you better be sure to caste it while the fighter can't reach you, cuz it'd be an absolute waste of the skill you caste it too late and the fighter devas you while in weapon's reach. By far ensnare is a good skill to have, though it needs fixing.

Then we have disarm, which archers are supposed to get later when they choose to be Sharp Shooters. You would think that this works like half-hearted stun, where if used on an opponent, they won't be able to attack you
but still be able to run. This isn't the case....you merely unequip the opponent's weapon, which appears back into their inventory. All they have to do is hotkey their weapon and its fixed. Now i'm not sure if its supposed to be like this.....my original thought was that it would disable the opponent's weapon use for a certain amount of time, but then again it turned out to be something way different.

Ok the last skill to be discussed is Hide....that IMO is the best thing they gave us out of all the skills....though its only limited to the Ranger class. That is the only skill in which we can use to sneak past or escape harm. Now the skill doesn't gaurentee that you'll go unscathed but if you caste it the opponent loses target of you, until you remove it yourself or you attack/get attacked by something. Either way, this is a great tool to escape if you use it at the right time.
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Now I've been trying not to use the word "underpowered". Cuz people will just say "no Archers are not....yadi-yadi-yada" Now it might just be that they are sharing their experiences as Archers from lv1-51 and then lv51-75.

Those levels are greatest times for an Archer, cuz mobs and other players in PvP are still capable...but not so strong that Archers are left in the dust. So yeah.....you guys can have your lovely days then...but when you step out of it into the lv90-100, you'll see for yourself just how hard mobs hit you in the training grounds and just how hard it is to go against the other 3 classes in a duel. Not only are you gonna get more damage done to you, but mobs and opponents will have weapons or stats that'll make your evasion not nearly as reliable as it was in the lower levels.

And yes "It depends on who's behind the archer + If you know what you're doing then you'll be awesome + if you built your Archer right then you'll be fine".

Well I hate to break it to you guys....even if you follow the best strategies to being an Archer, that alone won't help you defeat the other classes that are doing the same thing and utilizing their best strategies as well. If it takes you SC or enhancing all your equipment in order to level the playing field against fighters/mages and to even get a decent chance to take out a cleric...theres a serious problem.

So yeah....you can say Archer's are lvling PvE Dominators...but how long will that idea last when you reach the late lv.8x-9x? Or better yet, how much SC are you willing to spend on Tevas, Exp Boost Cards, Extenders, and Red/Blues in order to make yourself capable of kiting mass #s of enemies or dueling other characters?

[byron007]

I heard entangle can be empowered, but both disarm and Blind Shot can't.
Entangle lasts 7-8sec when empowered, and I heard Hide has a 8min duration without any empowerments. Blind Shot doesn't last long enough at all, and I also thought disarm would do something more than just unequipping your opponent's weapon. And I totally agree with the whole SC thing Kitsune, it's not just strategies that you need.

[luckthebest]

archers are not underpowered. i love playing as them.

[Moxxie]

Lol archer's base eva should be even higher

[byron007]

archers are not underpowered. i love playing as them.

Go lvl your archer to the 9xs :P


Lol archer's base eva should be even higher

Agreed, I know fighters lvl 95+ who have 1.1k EVA base. The difference in EVA on lvl 95 gears between Archers and Fighters is 9 EVA Like, w t f T.T? Either fix our EVA or give us that EVA boost thingy from the Korean version D<

[dieeid-tcs]

Go lvl your archer to the 9xs :P



Agreed, I know fighters lvl 95+ who have 1.1k EVA base. The difference in EVA on lvl 95 gears between Archers and Fighters is 9 EVA Like, w t f T.T? Either fix our EVA or give us that EVA boost thingy from the Korean version D<

Yep fighters are supposed to tank the damage not to evade it!!!

[byron007]

Yep fighters are supposed to tank the damage not to evade it!!!

Exactly, their hp/def and even their mg def rocks at 95, and well, their EVA does too >.>;, Gladiators already stole our Nature's speed skill (Violence) and can use long rate skills (toma/dash) I'm thinking Fighters are becoming the new archers lol :3. I already feel useless in a party, all we do is take away exp, lol, at least that's how I feel. Kinda the only thing we can do is praying for some fixes, but well, yeah that's likely never going to happen anyway.

[SweaterMittens]

When you disarm someone with a full inv. they just take the dmg but not the effect :/ So disarm can be easily countered with the hot key placement and the full inventory.

also I have no idea what slow shots purpose is other then killing lvl 20's.

[Orchids_Mantis]

Go lvl your archer to the 9xs :P



Agreed, I know fighters lvl 95+ who have 1.1k EVA base. The difference in EVA on lvl 95 gears between Archers and Fighters is 9 EVA Like, w t f T.T? Either fix our EVA or give us that EVA boost thingy from the Korean version D<

are you comparing a fighter with dex to a str archer? At level 36; archers have like 100 more aim/eva than fighters; so it seems unlikely that archer dex would fall off like that -or that fighter dex would increase so rapidly.

[byron007]

are you comparing a fighter with dex to a str archer?

I was comparing a fighter with dex to an archer with dex, lol =D

so it seems unlikely that archer dex would fall off like that -or that fighter dex would increase so rapidly.
Lvl95 blues evasion:

Mage: Boots 84, Pants 110, Armor 131
Cleric: Boots 97, Pants 126, Armor 156
Fighter: Boots 114, Pants 148, Armor 184
Archer: Boots 117, Pants 152, Armor 186

^-- That's what I was talking about


also I have no idea what slow shots purpose is other then killing lvl 20's.

Lol.

[Moxxie]

Why does piercing shot's disease dmg hit every 3 seconds? -_________________-

[Kurayamiblack]

Why does piercing shot's disease dmg hit every 3 seconds? -_________________-

Probably because it's raw casting damage is so much higher than Nature's Mist.

off of shakey memory alone, Nature's Mist stops upgrading somewhere near the lat 7x or mid 8x area and never breaks 1000dmg but Piercing Shot breaks 1000 at I think the 8x area or so and then keeps going. You'd have to max the power on Nature's Mist to even compete and I think it's dmg is still less than the base for Piercing Shot... I'm honestly starting to regret increasing Nature's Mists power as I've realized Mist exceells in poison damage where as Piercing excells in impact damage and still does some poison damage =/

[keratzoman]

If the topic creator hasnt realised,archers are the only effective class to kill mages.>.> ,killing the most dmg dealing class easily apparently means you ARENT that underpowered..

[elizacasey101]

omg a lvl 55+ can kill me like 2 hit n im lvl 59 archer is the most 1 ever kill me n then mage then fighter n last cleric they never kill me lol anyway archer r to powerfull

[Kurayamiblack]

*Asks Captain Picard if I can borrow the Enterprise's Universal Translator to convert the above post into something I can grasp*

[boomdude111]

if the mage is smart, at lvl 100+ they can't really be beaten, chain fear, then stilfe, then ice field....ya, gl on that ._.

[defcom]

Yeah I'm not too afraid of mages all the way up to the 6x range. Once you get 8x and beyond...mages are armed with skills that can and will take you out. It might have been easy for you to take on mages in the early to mid game levels, but later IG they are a force to be reconed with.

[Antony_Aravind]

I nvr and ever will accpet this no class is UNDER POWERED or OVER POWERED

choose right build and tatada ur the ruler

pvp builds :

archer: 50 dex 25 spr rest str
cleric: couldnt suggest a build yet tho if u want to kill ppl 25 spr rest str if u dun wat to be killed full end or 50 dex and rest end
Mage: 25 spr 50 dex rest int or 25 spr rest int
Fighter: really u can see no non sced fighters who can really pvp out there
if non sced 50 dex 25 spr and rest str if 2h and end if 1h if sced watever build u choose we dun care coz sced fighter and mages are undefeatables unless mobbbed by 3 fighters or mges of their own lvl

Pve builds :

Archers : full dex or dex 50 spr 25 rest str
Cleric : I recommend full end here coz im a pve cleric on my main
Mage : 25 spr 50 dex and rest int here too im experimenting on this on own mage
Fighter: 25 spr 35 dex ( not sure) and rest str if 2h or rest end if 1h

[boomdude111]

not to be rude antony, but first off, clerics aren't a pvp class in the first place, if they can kill someone then i feel bad for whoever they kill. Second, i am a 0 dex archer because as i stated in my first post in this thread, dex is based on chance, therefore the extra evasion it gives is pretty much completely useless. I am a str/spr archer and hit like a mac truck, i have some decent gears that let me take a few hits in 1 v 1's and i've solo kited every mob, tanked every boss/kq. People fear my dmg, mainly because not many archer's on my sever have my build and the gear to back it up, i would much rather rely on dmg/def that is based on something other then chance.

[redone111]

not to be rude antony, but first off, clerics aren't a pvp class in the first place, if they can kill someone then i feel bad for whoever they kill. Second, i am a 0 dex archer because as i stated in my first post in this thread, dex is based on chance, therefore the extra evasion it gives is pretty much completely useless. I am a str/spr archer and hit like a mac truck, i have some decent gears that let me take a few hits in 1 v 1's and i've solo kited every mob, tanked every boss/kq. People fear my dmg, mainly because not many archer's on my sever have my build and the gear to back it up, i would much rather rely on dmg/def that is based on something other then chance.

Boomdude is cool :cool:

Dex is better though :p

[Antony_Aravind]

not to be rude antony, but first off, clerics aren't a pvp class in the first place, if they can kill someone then i feel bad for whoever they kill. Second, i am a 0 dex archer because as i stated in my first post in this thread, dex is based on chance, therefore the extra evasion it gives is pretty much completely useless. I am a str/spr archer and hit like a mac truck, i have some decent gears that let me take a few hits in 1 v 1's and i've solo kited every mob, tanked every boss/kq. People fear my dmg, mainly because not many archer's on my sever have my build and the gear to back it up, i would much rather rely on dmg/def that is based on something other then chance.

Yes clerics arent a pvp class xD but I have killed lvl 8x mages wen I was 8x so u can say clerics are toaly un pvped nxt ummm are an sced archer? If yes then that build is not applicable to u :P

[byron007]

Sooooooooooo, we are underpowered.

[lysol_attk]

wow i didnt know this thread was still being posted on 0.o lmao

[Moxxie]

o_o

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[blazedaces]

not to be rude antony, but first off, clerics aren't a pvp class in the first place, if they can kill someone then i feel bad for whoever they kill. Second, i am a 0 dex archer because as i stated in my first post in this thread, dex is based on chance, therefore the extra evasion it gives is pretty much completely useless. I am a str/spr archer and hit like a mac truck, i have some decent gears that let me take a few hits in 1 v 1's and i've solo kited every mob, tanked every boss/kq. People fear my dmg, mainly because not many archer's on my sever have my build and the gear to back it up, i would much rather rely on dmg/def that is based on something other then chance.
Dude... there is no such thing as chance when it comes to a computer.

It's psuedorandom, and it repeats, so when you a mob misses you 1/3 times, on average it misses you 1/3 times, or that out of 100 hits thrown at you, only 30 will hit you.

It really doesn't matter all that much if you can't rely on a miss every single time, you're not going for that, you're going for average damage you can take over time. When 10+ mobs are on you, or especially when you're kiting with tons behind you, it's not about that single hit getting you or not, you don't put points into dex so you can tank the boss, but you do it so on average you get missed a lot more, can carry a lot more mobs without using pots, and saving on stones...

And if you actually think of it like that, instead of tracking it's reliability hit-per-hit you realize that it's the exact same thing as the END stat in another class. You're able to take more mobs on you at once, heal without using pots more, and using less stones in general.

That's what it's all about. This nonsense about "chance" is simply a misunderstanding of statistics and computer programming. Sorry to break it to you like that.

-blazed

[Antony_Aravind]

rightly said

pvp as well as pve archer need 50 dex in build copulsorily if u ask me

its so useful

[Andrewm]

honestly, i love bieng an archer, the only thing i dont like is that i can never get a party =p, but its all good, i mean people do like all this math and were they calculate everything an turns out that when your level 126 an archer get hit more by 2 dmg, omg there underpowered, blah blah blah. i think archers and every other class have thier own advnatage, and besides, archers are the coolest :cool:

[Dthugtherealist]

As a fighter going through pvp and pve and even seeing my friend hit lvl 100 to be the 1st sharpshooter on Bijou and him telling me he had to charm 12 hrs. a day for a week to get to 100 yea I think Archers are underpowered.
If your not full +9 with end/dex gears and 50dex in build or scrolled out and charmed to the teeth your gonna get hurt like hell. Some people got their own way like boomdude he said he's an "unusual archer" to many people cuz of his tactics thats how he goes about his thing.

Fighters will catch you period if you try to kite them in war if they find out your using this strategy to lure em to enemies they will just ignore you and go kill someone else simple fact. Archers got a raw deal as a DD class solo gods of pve suckish at pvp and that aint right imo I would like to see Archers be like the archers in the Korean version same with mages if it was like this people woudn't wanna be doing pvp no more cuz it would be too even too balanced.

[Moxxie]

Archers need:

More HP and SP stones and make it heal a wee bit more
More base EVA
More base EVA in gears
Prolly a "Dodge rate" in archer armors that works like the "Block rate" in sheilds


but too bad that OutSpark has to follow the Korean version

[Antony_Aravind]

Archers need:

More HP and SP stones and make it heal a wee bit more
More base EVA
More base EVA in gears
Prolly a "Dodge rate" in archer armors that works like the "Block rate" in sheilds


but too bad that OutSpark has to follow the Korean version

both are not needed coz they have a lot already

and i have done 2/10 hit on a archer with my bk mace and she said she had 50 dex in build
so i personally think archer dont need anymore eva

secondly archers are the most trickiest class to play
Choose the perfect build and get the right gears noone can stop u frm being a lvl maniac

[Dthugtherealist]

Archers need:

More HP and SP stones and make it heal a wee bit more
More base EVA
More base EVA in gears
Prolly a "Dodge rate" in archer armors that works like the "Block rate" in sheilds


but too bad that OutSpark has to follow the Korean version

I think this dude is right why should archers best defence per say work by percentages when fighters get to dodge block and have generally high def to begin with?

[fireyair]

I think this dude is right why should archers best defence per say work by percentages when fighters get to dodge block and have generally high def to begin with?

DEX doesn't work by percentages.


Peace:cool:

[Dthugtherealist]

DEX doesn't work by percentages.


Peace:cool:

well whatever way it works lol all I know if you gotta certain amount of Eva your opponents depending on their aim gotta certain chance to hit or miss.

[fireyair]

well whatever way it works lol all I know if you gotta certain amount of Eva your opponents depending on their gotta certain chance to hit or miss.

So what's the difference between the attack losing 30% of its power (END), and 30% of the attacks missing (DEX)? See, fighters aren't THAT disproportionately better than archers. Of course, there is a problem: Fighters have more HP than archers. This causes the entire momentum to shift over to a fighter's side. To combat this, an archer has DoTs and, more importantly, after level 51, an unlimited chain cast, if the attacks are set correctly. Archers can overwhelm opponents very easily. You can even take down an opponent 15 levels higher than you if you know exactly when to attack.


Peace:cool:

[Dthugtherealist]

So what's the difference between the attack losing 30% of its power (END), and 30% of the attacks missing (DEX)? See, fighters aren't THAT disproportionately better than archers. Of course, there is a problem: Fighters have more HP than archers. This causes the entire momentum to shift over to a fighter's side. To combat this, an archer has DoTs and, more importantly, after level 51, an unlimited chain cast, if the attacks are set correctly. Archers can overwhelm opponents very easily. You can even take down an opponent 15 levels higher than you if you know exactly when to attack.


Peace:cool:

That is pretty awesome I wish archers actually learned how to do this and stop complaing then =/ Title has some Eva miss/hit ratio formula but I don't remember it off the top of my head D:

[Antony_Aravind]

So what's the difference between the attack losing 30% of its power (END), and 30% of the attacks missing (DEX)? See, fighters aren't THAT disproportionately better than archers. Of course, there is a problem: Fighters have more HP than archers. This causes the entire momentum to shift over to a fighter's side. To combat this, an archer has DoTs and, more importantly, after level 51, an unlimited chain cast, if the attacks are set correctly. Archers can overwhelm opponents very easily. You can even take down an opponent 15 levels higher than you if you know exactly when to attack.


Peace:cool:

IF u ask me an archer cant kill other class( if the other class really has low Hp then yes) :P -no offece- I personally experimented this wen i removed all m armor and was just spam healing a 9x archer with a +9 Bk couldnt kill me for 8 min X_X

but I would say u can make archersthe toughest class to be killed also just by boosting their eva basically a normal fighter or mage s aim will be 1.1k max with a hg 1h or staff and we have mostly axe users and so if u have goood 50 pts in dex and 45 +dex gears im damn sure no fighter or a mage can kill an archer

[Moxxie]

both are not needed coz they have a lot already

and i have done 2/10 hit on a archer with my bk mace and she said she had 50 dex in build
so i personally think archer dont need anymore eva

secondly archers are the most trickiest class to play
Choose the perfect build and get the right gears noone can stop u frm being a lvl maniac

Roy pointed out that in 95 blues, fighters almost have the same eva base as archers

[Antony_Aravind]

Roy pointed out that in 95 blues, fighters almost have the same eva base as archers

I nvr checked that Ill check it wen I play tho :P
But after U hit prestige class I heared ranger ase eva increases like heall and its even difficult to get a hit on them

[XelveX]

I nvr checked that Ill check it wen I play tho :P
But after U hit prestige class I heared ranger ase eva increases like heall and its even difficult to get a hit on them

I wanna correct this cause it actually took me a long time to understand it >.<
Sorry.

"But after you hit prestige class, I heard ranger's base evasion increases like hell and its even more difficult to get a hit on them.

[noth1n]

Just out of curiousity, what level archers do you guys have? (Fireyair and Dthug)

That aside, nerf archers ^__^

[dadictator52]

I don't really know who you were talking too .... but i'm lvl 62 archer, bijou.
And you guys are wrong, people DO beg you for parties. Onceyou hit 51 an obtain NM. People will beg you to plvl them, and clerics will beg you to pty with them in 5x abyss and maybe 6 and 4. But once mages get nova and inferno, that will be over... After a while people get used to nova and inferno, and its back to fighters...

[byron007]

-bumps-


Archers need:
More HP and SP stones and make it heal a wee bit more
Yup, our stones just suck. I'm guessing they want us to buy hp/sp sacks, or to level up to lvl 100 to get an uber amount of stonez~

Archers need:
More base EVA
Exactly!!, either give us more eva, or give us an eva increase buff thingey like in the Korean version, amen.

Archers need:
More base EVA in gears
Yup, -agrees-, And to everyone who doesn't, go look up the evasion of fighter 95 blues and compare them with archer 95 blues, dude, 9 EVA difference, we need more base EVA in gears.

So who gets the DEX increase thing, and who gets more evasion once they lvl up, SS or powerrangerzzz~?
And, and...yeah, we're still underpowered,

[whitewolf1234]

If anyone decides to read this then my point of view.

Sure archers have their own problems but so does other classes.
My archer is Pure dex atm and ppl miss like crazy on me that i just cant help but laugh most of the time. a monster chance of hitting me is 1 hit out or 4.
The only thing that bothers me is that archers cant PvP but yet other classes can kill us
(most archers can kill other classes)
But the only thing that kinda annoys me is the weapon skin.
with like 10%dmg and crit aim to it.

Just find the build that makes fits your style and go with it.

[death.777]

Why are archers so underpowered, yeah we can kite but all you other classes(Besides mage) can easlily have so much more hp than the damage we could deal, But archers have terrible HP as well, and you mages make up for it with all your high damage skills, yeah sure we have dexterity for evasion but it doesent help as much as you say it does, and all you fighters have all the power skills, def and hp you need plus more and clerics are meant for dealing large damage because you have all the healing skills you need to survive for a long time so no need for any of you other classes to complain as far as I see but everyone who likes the archer alot seems to wonder the same thing...

all ican say is check the link O.o"
http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4273

[solarwings]

Buy Charms.

[themichael]

*Semi-necros*

Ehh, as many have said before, archers are PvE Based.

Mages and Fighters are great in PvP, mages for their defensive skills, and Fighters for their stunn and phace-rolling abilities.

Clerics are better in PvP(altogether) due to their survivability.

Archers on excell in ambush and KSes, with their Speed buff and bow.



Yes we may have a Evasion( i know i do), and you may have a hard time killing us, but with our poop DMG, we will just nibble away until a phace-roller or mage can get kucky enough, to land just enough hits to do away with us.


In PvP i have conversations all the time...

Them: Wow, Nice EVA! I can barely hit you.
Me: yea, true...but It'd be nice if you died too. ._.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[BlackDragonEX]

weeeee are not undrrpowerd!

You must just suck xD, but I'd like new stuff for us though :P

And do rangers really get a big Eva increase.?
I didn't notice much just notice the 7xx hp lol

[byron007]

And do rangers really get a big Eva increase.?
I didn't notice much just notice the 7xx hp lol

Nope, just a hp/sp, mg def and def boost, no eva one D:

[themichael]

Archers are underpowered in DMG.
Archers are Underpowered in skills.
EVA in Archer gears and Stats are underpowered...

Thats is ALL there is underpowered about archers...

in most games...aarchers have an escape skill that allows them to cancel in status effect that impairs or halts their movements. skills like Fear/stun/entangle/ice/mesmerize.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[EvenSmarterChild]

Archers are only underpowered in PVP, and even then, evasion ftw. They're way up there when it comes to pve. So if you see archers as underpowered just because they aren't the best in pvp... well. Go make a fighter or mage or something. D:

[neko_play]

Making threads complaining, or stating the incredibly obvious, for a class will result in immediate flames Archer = best solo leveling class, meaning you can level up and THEN own the people that are now lower level than you, I'd like to see a different class mob 15 monsters in an abyss 2x higher and kill them all in under 2 minutes without SC enhances.

[ToshCrimson]

Archers are only underpowered in PVP, and even then, evasion ftw. They're way up there when it comes to pve. So if you see archers as underpowered just because they aren't the best in pvp... well. Go make a fighter or mage or something. D:

A huge part of this game is pvp related weather it be Abyss, free batttle zone, or guild wars at SOME point in your life your gonna have to face the music and pvp. So all archers should just quit and make fighters and mages? No I say! Archers should be balanced enough to at least stand a chance in pvp situations. Why should every other class be good in both pvp and pve while archers are left with only pve?

[themichael]

A huge part of this game is pvp related weather it be Abyss, free batttle zone, or guild wars at SOME point in your life your gonna have to face the music and pvp. So all archers should just quit and make fighters and mages? No I say! Archers should be balanced enough to at least stand a chance in pvp situations. Why should every other class be good in both pvp and pve while archers are left with only pve?

Clerics

But even clerics are better than us, altogether, in PvP. They're survivability is amazing.

Other classes cant even touch Archers up to 8x(thats all i have experience with, but I'm sure we own in tghe 9xs too) in PvE. As a result, we arent very good at PvP...at all. Instead of making us the Crafty puching bags of Fiesta, they could make us survivalist....but thats just an opinion.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Antony_Aravind]

Ill never accept archers are underpowered.

I can still see archers banging all other classes at 4x pvp kq

If they can do on 4x kq why cant they do on all others?

[themichael]

Ill never accept archers are underpowered.

I can still see archers banging all other classes at 4x pvp kq

If they can do on 4x kq why cant they do on all others?

I'll just name off a few.

Alot more HP vs. A wee bit more DoT DMG.

More +9 Gears vs. Poop archer DMG ._.

Fear/Stifle.

The EVA(in gears) vs AIM(in wepons) Gap gets smaller.





[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[TITLE]

It's true the gap between aim and evasion is smaller than it was originally developed in the Korean version. If I remember correctly, the total evasion you get from the gears is near twice as much as the aim on a weapon(such as the axe, wand, hammer) of the same lvl. Then again, I haven't looked at those in a long time. The aim could had probably been between 1700~2500 for all class at lv100+. Evasion probably neared 2.5~3k.

Archers, underpowered?.. Only in stats.

[EvenSmarterChild]

A huge part of this game is pvp related weather it be Abyss, free batttle zone, or guild wars at SOME point in your life your gonna have to face the music and pvp. So all archers should just quit and make fighters and mages? No I say! Archers should be balanced enough to at least stand a chance in pvp situations. Why should every other class be good in both pvp and pve while archers are left with only pve?


I'm not saying all archers should quit and make other classes. Just the ones that whine enough. I believe in the saying, "Don't complain if you're not willing to do something about it."

And archers, with the right gear/build, can pwn mages.

[prasss]

Anyone that says archers are underpowered can't play one, i love my wifes archer, shes excellent at it, and can kite and take 3x of what a mage can and since theres little luring involved kill in the same time, so 3x as efficient as a mage.

[schneider392]

After all the repeats at lv 80+, I'd say archers are in a ton of trouble.

And I'm finding that out for myself. :/

[howiehowie]

archers are loners after L.89

[ToshCrimson]

archers are loners after L.89

My archer has been a loner since lvl 36 :/

[kraisen]

Mine has been a loner since level 1.

Seriously

But I can't complain, thats why I made him. I'm not very social.

[Antony_Aravind]

Lol archer are the only class who could solo grinding after 9x without charms

[Moxxie]

Lol archer are the only class who could solo grinding after 9x without charms

really? :rolleyes:



After all the repeats at lv 80+, I'd say archers are in a ton of trouble.

And I'm finding that out for myself. :/

hehe :rolleyes:

[zipiouch]

Fail thread.

[themichael]

When fiesta was made OOS had the "Perfect PvE RPG Game" in mind.
Archers were designed to be the pullers.

But our pulling abilities also make us the most effecient soloing class in the game...i mean...if you think about it, kiting is only pulling to unreachable point, but monster HP is not infinite; therefore we never reach that point. The mobs just die before we get there.

O, and my archer has been a loner since about 33(when you just cant spam KQs to level)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[kangoshika]

Psst... 1 tip for you.... Posting threads that say something is overpowered or underpowered doesn't really do any good.... 90% of the posts you got back was bad lol

[gambit123]

well i would just like some more HP for the archers and damage thats about it tho idk wat else we could do for archers

[shawnpm810]

I currently have a pure dex archer in the works, and i have no problom surviving PvE SOLO. Occasionally, i ask a friend to bring a cleric or a mage along so that way things go faster when kiting mobs. AoE mages = Archers BEST friend. No questions asked.

Sure, alot of you dis-agree on the fact archers dont have a STRONG attack power or whatever. WHY dont you Pot, Cookie, and Scroll a PURE STRENGTH archer and see how long you last in PvP and PvE...hows that for a smart ---....remark?!

Dude, If your sniveling about the fact you DIE alot...maybe you should enhance your armor, and switch to a crossbow and enhance it or just go buy the enhanced gear

[fleiscmi]

LMFAO k i currently have a lvl 90 archer in the works im gunna tell you something (currently my gears are this.. --->
(hat lvl 86 33str/42end +9)
(top lvl 90 42str 43end 11spr +9)
(pants lvl 88 43str 28end 43spr +9)
(boots lvl 84 28str 43end +9)
(BK crossbow lvl 90 50str 43end 10int +9)
(strike gold ring 40str)
(strike gold ring 40str)
(strike necklase)
(guardians wish earrings 5str 4spr +325hp +4% evasion)

ok so now knowing my gears id like to say this. my archer bace dmg with a skin and no dmg suit is 3823 and my bace def with no scrolls cookies buff or pt buff or def suit is 1505. my buil is pure str so if your wondering its 626 +(105) now with al that in mind. i only have 5258 bace hp and can only carrie 118hp stones and 110sp stones. <--- less than my lvl 50 fighter :/ that = FAIL. also my freind freaker15 is a lvl 89 fighter full godly +9 just like me only he focuses moslty on end/spr but some str in his build and this is his bace stats (1956 def/ and 4011dmg) <---- he is only lvl 89!!!!!!! he doesnt even have a lvl 90 BK witch will add like 1k or more dmg to him after he is the same lvl as me. He alreaty owns me in pvp even if i kite him around a little just imagine when he is lvl 90. i dont care what anyone says. ARCHER ARE WAYYYYY UNDERPOWERED PERIOD. he can carrei somewhere around 400 hp stones and like 290sp..... (hes lower lvl than me ppl) how are us archers supposed to grind without restoning 40000000 times..? also mages have skills such as (fear/stiphle/decreased moveing rate) fighters have skills such *** (stunn/lowered defence/lowered arrack rate/ lowered dex<---- takes away the whole point of an archer/lowered dmg... the list goes on ppl.....) GUES WHAT ARCHERS HAVE????? OOO????? (Natures speed) end of story. *** is that we cant do shyt.....! i love how godly my archer is but it still pisses me off when a lvl 85 fighter or mage drops me in pvp.... it just shouldent happen.

[TITLE]

LMFAO k i currently have a lvl 90 archer in the works im gunna tell you something (currently my gears are this.. --->
(hat lvl 86 33str/42end +9)
(top lvl 90 42str 43end 11spr +9)
(pants lvl 88 43str 28end 43spr +9)
(boots lvl 84 28str 43end +9)
(BK crossbow lvl 90 50str 43end 10int +9)
(strike gold ring 40str)
(strike gold ring 40str)
(strike necklase)
(guardians wish earrings 5str 4spr +325hp +4% evasion)

ok so now knowing my gears id like to say this. my archer bace dmg with a skin and no dmg suit is 3823 and my bace def with no scrolls cookies buff or pt buff or def suit is 1505. my buil is pure str so if your wondering its 626 +(105) now with al that in mind. i only have 5258 bace hp and can only carrie 118hp stones and 110sp stones. <--- less than my lvl 50 fighter :/ that = FAIL. also my freind freaker15 is a lvl 89 fighter full godly +9 just like me only he focuses moslty on end/spr but some str in his build and this is his bace stats (1956 def/ and 4011dmg) <---- he is only lvl 89!!!!!!! he doesnt even have a lvl 90 BK witch will add like 1k or more dmg to him after he is the same lvl as me. He alreaty owns me in pvp even if i kite him around a little just imagine when he is lvl 90. i dont care what anyone says. ARCHER ARE WAYYYYY UNDERPOWERED PERIOD. he can carrei somewhere around 400 hp stones and like 290sp..... (hes lower lvl than me ppl) how are us archers supposed to grind without restoning 40000000 times..? also mages have skills such as (fear/stiphle/decreased moveing rate) fighters have skills such *** (stunn/lowered defence/lowered arrack rate/ lowered dex<---- takes away the whole point of an archer/lowered dmg... the list goes on ppl.....) GUES WHAT ARCHERS HAVE????? OOO????? (Natures speed) end of story. *** is that we cant do shyt.....! i love how godly my archer is but it still pisses me off when a lvl 85 fighter or mage drops me in pvp.... it just shouldent happen.


What's your evasion?

[lysol_attk]

0.o i made this thread when i first started playing lol i <3 my archer now ( i still get owned it pvp tho =p)

[nick_jose]

It seems like you're just pointing out the bad sides of archers. How about the fact that no other class can solo a single room so fast that we get begged for parties?

How about the fact that we can tank with evasion?

How about the fact that we're more FUN?

i agree tank with evaision wen i was 71 tankin KKP it hit 1-3 ratio

[boo18white]

LMFAO k i currently have a lvl 90 archer in the works im gunna tell you something (currently my gears are this.. --->
(hat lvl 86 33str/42end +9)
(top lvl 90 42str 43end 11spr +9)
(pants lvl 88 43str 28end 43spr +9)
(boots lvl 84 28str 43end +9)
(BK crossbow lvl 90 50str 43end 10int +9)
(strike gold ring 40str)
(strike gold ring 40str)
(strike necklase)
(guardians wish earrings 5str 4spr +325hp +4% evasion)

ok so now knowing my gears id like to say this. my archer bace dmg with a skin and no dmg suit is 3823 and my bace def with no scrolls cookies buff or pt buff or def suit is 1505. my buil is pure str so if your wondering its 626 +(105) now with al that in mind. i only have 5258 bace hp and can only carrie 118hp stones and 110sp stones. <--- less than my lvl 50 fighter :/ that = FAIL. also my freind freaker15 is a lvl 89 fighter full godly +9 just like me only he focuses moslty on end/spr but some str in his build and this is his bace stats (1956 def/ and 4011dmg) <---- he is only lvl 89!!!!!!! he doesnt even have a lvl 90 BK witch will add like 1k or more dmg to him after he is the same lvl as me. He alreaty owns me in pvp even if i kite him around a little just imagine when he is lvl 90. i dont care what anyone says. ARCHER ARE WAYYYYY UNDERPOWERED PERIOD. he can carrei somewhere around 400 hp stones and like 290sp..... (hes lower lvl than me ppl) how are us archers supposed to grind without restoning 40000000 times..? also mages have skills such as (fear/stiphle/decreased moveing rate) fighters have skills such *** (stunn/lowered defence/lowered arrack rate/ lowered dex<---- takes away the whole point of an archer/lowered dmg... the list goes on ppl.....) GUES WHAT ARCHERS HAVE????? OOO????? (Natures speed) end of story. *** is that we cant do shyt.....! i love how godly my archer is but it still pisses me off when a lvl 85 fighter or mage drops me in pvp.... it just shouldent happen.

Ok, yes you have godly gears and to someone it would seem like you would pwn fighters lower lvl than you but you've forgotten 1 thing.... You got no dex gears making your evasion low. Low eva= getting pwned alot, I know 1st hand. I used to be an end archer and was getting hit like crazy but I switched to dex and noticed a huge difference in the ammount of times I was getting hit. Just try to find more dex stuff and you should start to notice it too. I do agree though, we could use with more stuff for pvp other than little DoTs and a skill that doesnt do much except let us attack faster. GL.

[Lelldorin]

I wish everyone would stop bashing on Archer's, I personally prefer them to any class by far. Archers are the only class that can solo AOE (efficiently at least), and we get enough hp, defense, and dexterity to take quite a few hits before we're knocked down. As far as pvp goes, archer's get the short end of the stick without question, but for pve, assuming you roll your archer well, you can become a leveling god.

[azoalosi]

(I just made a new archer, so dont blame me :p )
I was in abyys the other day with a lvl 36 fighter. i myself was 36 aswell. so i looked at his hp...983 i think. i have 1009 hp, so i said "wow, u have fail hp" (im str/dex based) so he said "stfu u stupid noob archer, u cant kill s***" and then he started hitting me, so we fought. I PWNED HIM SO BAD :cool:! and we were same lvl. then he just hit me again and again and again, and i just killed him again and again and again. the he said "lol, u suck" then i said "says the dead one" "brb u stupid noob" so he comes back with scrolls and buff. fight took a while but i still won (i dont have any +9 :o ). anyway, how can archers suck at pvp if i keep pwning this guy? is it just diffrent at higher lvls with fighter's skill spam ability? :confused:
Ps: can archers at least kill mages?

[boomdude111]

._. my archer has a higher base dmg as a str/spr archer and I switched him to end/spr gears.....with str/end and my 40str stike rings I was pushing 5143 base dmg w/o charms or pots x.x archer's aren't underpowered imo, they are by far the most fun and just gotta play em that way, to have fun. Yeah I am agains dex in archers but that's because I love my def/mdef/dmg alot more then eva xD As long as you have fun how can you be underpowered? ;)

[skysparkle]

(I just made a new archer, so dont blame me :p )
I was in abyys the other day with a lvl 36 fighter. i myself was 36 aswell. so i looked at his hp...983 i think. i have 1009 hp, so i said "wow, u have fail hp" (im str/dex based) so he said "stfu u stupid noob archer, u cant kill s***" and then he started hitting me, so we fought. I PWNED HIM SO BAD :cool:! and we were same lvl. then he just hit me again and again and again, and i just killed him again and again and again. the he said "lol, u suck" then i said "says the dead one" "brb u stupid noob" so he comes back with scrolls and buff. fight took a while but i still won (i dont have any +9 :o ). anyway, how can archers suck at pvp if i keep pwning this guy? is it just diffrent at higher lvls with fighter's skill spam ability? :confused:
Ps: can archers at least kill mages?


archers r godly at lower lvls we struggle more as we get higher fighers get deva mages get nova/ fear while our dmg doesnt increase at the same rate as the other classes we gradualy get overtaken and then left behind in pvp

[GM_Nekopon]

I'm going to close this thread now as it'd been necro'ed two days ago.
If you wish to continue on the subject, please feel free to start a new thread on the topic. Thank you!