XP when you die - lose levels? [Archive]

Serric

11-04-2007, 03:39 PM

Angelos

11-04-2007, 03:57 PM

you dont lose lvls -.-'

Serric

11-04-2007, 03:59 PM

I was told different - by someone who was 1/2 way through lvl 24 but kept dying, then was back to lvl 23. Can anyone else confirm this?

Divinations

11-04-2007, 04:02 PM

In fact you actually do lose levels.....

justin101

11-04-2007, 04:28 PM

*** no u dont i died like 200 times and never lost 1 lvl u all cant be serious theres no way if so then why aint it happened to me

Divinations

11-04-2007, 04:31 PM

So I guess those three times I turned level 18 was a dream.

Archaonn

11-04-2007, 04:33 PM

I think justin101 and Angelos are talking about Fiesta.

TheCaptain

11-04-2007, 08:55 PM

ive lost lvls many times and i cant stand it i hope they put a cap on it when the game is released to the public

TheJello

11-04-2007, 08:57 PM

You can lose a level. But when you level back up you don't get any new stat points and such.

TheJello

11-04-2007, 09:04 PM

This is SoS. :P

Nokt1

11-05-2007, 03:13 AM

When U die, you not only lose lvl, you lose part of money)) 10%

Serric

11-05-2007, 08:13 AM

When U die, you not only lose lvl, you lose part of money)) 10%

Is this a suggestion or a fact? A little confised here.

I wouldn't mind if ppl dropped items/gears/kron in their inventory (not equipped gears) when they died - either instead of xp loss or with the 0% cap. Most of the other games I have played have had this feature. It sucks, but then again so does getting killed. :eek:

The only way we're going to get the 0% cap suggestion to the powers that be is to keep voting on this - so I will bump it when I can. If y'all see it's slipping, I ask you to do the same.

Thanks!

Shiryou

11-05-2007, 01:54 PM

Ok, I understand that when you die you lose a littel xp - a lot in some cases - but you can also slide back in levels as well? What??? :confused:

Is this a bug or is this as intended? I don't mind sliding back from 98% to 0% if I can't manage to stay alive but to slip into a previous level where my skills may not work and my equipped gear suddenly becomes uselss seems like bad form to me. I'm all for challenge, but that seems rediculous.

What say the rest of you?

yeah you can lose levels...for example, if you were at like lvl 16, had 4.78% exp and you died; if you lose 5% exp, you would drop down to lvl 15...

so it's intended that you lose some exp when you die...

When U die, you not only lose lvl, you lose part of money)) 10%

you lose money too?...I never really noticed that...

CruxisMithos

11-05-2007, 02:01 PM

I think exp loss is ok but if that causes a down level, thats bs...You should just leave it at 0 exp

TheCaptain

11-06-2007, 01:38 AM

When U die, you not only lose lvl, you lose part of money)) 10%
yea thats wrong sorry but you must be playing the wrong game i have died plenty of times and have never lost any money

brucequy

11-06-2007, 01:48 AM

well if u level and die without making any exp u still don't delevel u just lost nothing and u don't lose gold

Trashknight

11-06-2007, 04:03 AM

well if u level and die without making any exp u still don't delevel u just lost nothing and u don't lose gold

You die, you loose 7% exp, no matter what level, if its early on level 60 or not. You have less then the cost; You pay with de-level, even if you are level 35, 0.00% exp. You go back to level 34, 93.00% exp.

It doesn't matter if you accumulate, or re-accumulates exp; you always pay the price.

There is no Kron-loss unlike Diablo 2 in this game. You only pay with exp per death, unless an acolyte resurrects you.

---------------
Monda- Predictor lv 51
Leuda- Fighter lv 23
Tosda- Magician lv 21

Serric

11-06-2007, 07:59 AM

Still trying to determine, once and for all, if this is what OutSpark intedned for SoS. If yes, fine. If no, a fix would be nice.

Along these notes, I think an (additional) bug is allowing mobs that are, for all sense and purpose, dead, get in a final strike before they expire. I often take the risk of fighting things stronger than me (pale red-named at most) for a little more xp and reward - but when they are hitting me for 50 hps a pop (I have only 349 to start with) and I have them stunned with blindsight, they have like 10% hps, take them down with some strong striked but they still get that last shot in *right* as they expire, regardless of the fact they have no health. Luckily this has not (yet) resulted in my death by when they hit fo so much, there is the strong possibility this glitch can cost me xp and drops.

Has anyone else experienced this?

silly812

11-06-2007, 09:52 AM

Serric

11-06-2007, 09:58 AM

I"ll make it clear~

When you die and if you barely just leveled, YES you can DELEVEL!! BUT if I remember correctly you can still use your newly obtained skill (and possibly equipment, I never really checked that out)

You do NOT lose any money when you die, I've died a lot in a short time one time and I have not noticed a change in my money!

Even if you did lose money, which I agree that I haven't noticed this to be the case, that would be preferable to losing levels LOL

Ok - who wants to test out the deleveling and still using your skills/equipment issue?

Serric

11-07-2007, 08:44 AM

Bumppity :D

YuenSan

11-09-2007, 01:03 AM

It's already bad that u lose exp (going back a lvl if at the beginning) + money, u don't need to lose another whole lvl on top of that.

niarf

11-10-2007, 12:45 PM

I confirm it, you lose lvl but you can still use the gear you wear... luckly

xtrimmm

11-13-2007, 02:59 AM

I've lost levels a few times already.. it is confirmed that you can lose levels if u die..

davisf18

11-13-2007, 08:55 AM

haha ive had times when im fighting really hard monsters and had just turned a new lvl and i die then have to get that lvl all over again 3 or 4 more times! lol

ginsipol07

11-14-2007, 08:54 AM

its ok to lose money...but 6% of exp is not good :(

even..lvl down is not good too

rustymiller

11-15-2007, 12:33 PM

Whether you do or don't, its still a bad move for any game. It just creates frustration, why have to re-do what you've already done, its pointless, because you're not really getting anywhere. If that does happen often enough to me, I won't stay with the game, I just don't like the idea of that happening. Sometimes you can't help it if you die, it might be a bit harder than usual, why have a punishment for dying, if in some cases you can't help it? Thats sounds a bit unfair. The rest of the world is unfair, why follow the trend? This world is crazy, and it sounds like in the game worlds, some of it is being inputted into it. That frustrates me, and I don't like it at all. But I can't do nothing about it. So be it, it is what it is.

Ark_Vel_Zangers

11-15-2007, 07:24 PM

Simple answer. Stop dying and you won't lose levels. lol.

Astarael00

11-15-2007, 08:57 PM

Ok - who wants to test out the deleveling and still using your skills/equipment issue?

Did it already.

Skills stay and can be used, gear stays and can be used, and stat points stay and can be used. The only thing that changes is your exp bar, and the number beside "lvl."

On relevel, again, the only thing that changes is your exp bar and the number. You don't have to relearn skills (or even re-hotkey them), you don't have to re-buy/equip gear, and you don't have to (or, can't) redistribute stats.

I've also never noticed a change in money, but then I haven't been checking; there is definitely no loss of items.

Hopefully that cleared a few things up.

As for my opinion:

I don't mind all that much. The exp loss can be a bit steep, but the only time I've really died multiple times in a row (read: taken on ridiculous red cons solo) was during this recent War event; and I'm 99% sure they locked exp levels anyway.

blackmagepwns

11-17-2007, 08:17 PM

ok if noone else will i will
YES if you are low on exp (say 0.01 to about 5.0) yes you will lose a lvl but it is easily regained, it happened to me atleast twice, its not a big deal.

blackmagepwns

11-17-2007, 08:19 PM

oh and if you have equipment equiped on that lvl (say armor of accel. at lvl 25, knocked down to 24) you still have your equipment equipped, as again it happened to me, just dont unequip and you should be fine.

nilysa

11-17-2007, 08:30 PM

I have died several times and i didnt actually lose levels. I got level 33 and 10 mins later i died..lost level 33 but i was like 4% away from getting level 33 again..as many times as i have died i have never lost a whole level. was only a few % that i lost. not really a big deal.

MiseryIndex

11-18-2007, 07:19 PM

Unholy-Aura

11-21-2007, 02:01 PM

Ok, I understand that when you die you lose a littel xp - a lot in some cases - but you can also slide back in levels as well? What??? :confused:

Is this a bug or is this as intended? I don't mind sliding back from 98% to 0% if I can't manage to stay alive but to slip into a previous level where my skills may not work and my equipped gear suddenly becomes uselss seems like bad form to me. I'm all for challenge, but that seems rediculous.

What say the rest of you?

I can't take it anymore if you cry about losing levels go try tibia for a year or something and then tell me what you thinked about it.
there you lose "weapon skill"magic level"back pack" & Level

Its the best to go -1 level it makes all the noobs cry and quit.

Claiomh.Solais

11-21-2007, 02:47 PM

Honestly. I think losing levels for ANY reason is a little stupid. Maybe there should be "effects" where your level is "downed" because you died. And you have to cope with that "downed" level for say.. 5 minutes? Or whatever. But to lose a level until you regain it thats pretty stupid.

Also I find this would be impartially unfair to mages because they have a low defence.

Actually, the whole level down doesn't take from your stats/equip/etc. So, the deleveling doesn’t really have any effect. It’s basically the same as dying on any other moment, you lose some exp and that’s it.

Look at it this way (the following is just a basic example). If my char is lvl 3 and has 210 of total exp (with 100 that he needed to reach lvl 2 and other 100 that he needed for lvl 3) and now dies and loses 10 exp, he would have 200 exp and still be lvl 3. Now if he dies again, he would have 190 exp and that’s all there is to it. Sure, you don’t have the required exp for lvl 3 so you lose that lvl, but since you don’t lose the bonuses from that lvl up nor the equipment nor anything, it doesn’t make a difference whether you lose a lvl or not trough the lost exp of dying.

Hope that makes sense :p

Serric

11-21-2007, 02:54 PM

I can't take it anymore if you cry about losing levels go try tibia for a year or something and then tell me what you thinked about it.
there you lose "weapon skill"magic level"back pack" & Level

Its the best to go -1 level it makes all the noobs cry and quit.

o.0 What?

If you 'can't take it anymore' then don't bother posting anything. Especially if what you have to post isn't constructive or helpful to the topic in any way.

Keans

11-21-2007, 03:49 PM

Well I don’t think I would mind the exp loss, I mean that’s what recuperation and sometimes teleportation items are for, even tho I don’t like wasting to much money on them. -_-;;

But if the % drop is a set number that would be quite a bother, especially if you reach a high level where you only get .01 from a mob. For example after training for an hour or two you finally get that 5% you wanted, the for some unlucky reason you died, you lost 7%.... That would really be very depressing. After all it’s a game, you will always die, some more than others.

It would be cooler if the exp loss went in hand with your level, but then again I guess I shouldn’t be worrying about it till get to said high level. XP

Anyways I don’t see the level going down as such a bother if your stats equip and skills stay the same, it’s the same as just the exp going down. What it does mean is that just because you’re at 0.00% it doesn’t mean you can go on a rampage and challenge that big red and angry monster.

MiseryIndex

11-21-2007, 05:21 PM

Whats the point of losing such a small ammout of experience points then if you can gain them back almost instantly?

Claiomh.Solais

11-21-2007, 05:33 PM

Whats the point of losing such a small ammout of experience points then if you can gain them back almost instantly?

On the low levels, it' doesn't really matter to die. On the higher levels, it hurts (of course, on the higher levels it's also harder to die as long as you’re careful enough.) Also, on higher levels you should have an acolyte that can revive you, so you don’t lose exp :p (yup, acos get a reviving skills and if they use it, you don’t lose the exp)

Atmor

11-21-2007, 05:53 PM

Let me start by saying that I have not played SoS yet but I look forward to it. Now as for losing levels when you die I think that is wrong, but I do understand the need for the experiance loss, therefore I have no one opinion on this matter. I would like there not to be a level loss of anykind when this is open to the general public next month, but instead when you die if you can't pay the normal % out of your current level that you just go all the way down to 0%. I also believe that if you lose the level though, that you also lose the ability to use any skills requiring a level or more above your current displayed level, along with all equipment being removed automatically that you would not be able to equip at your new level. This is only fair otherwhise if certain things such as events or whatnot require you to be a certain level, you cannot just die a few times to get into said event, but still be able to use skills that you normally couldn't. So obviously some aspect of this needs to be fixed.

Whether you do or don't, its still a bad move for any game. It just creates frustration, why have to re-do what you've already done, its pointless, because you're not really getting anywhere. If that does happen often enough to me, I won't stay with the game, I just don't like the idea of that happening. Sometimes you can't help it if you die, it might be a bit harder than usual, why have a punishment for dying, if in some cases you can't help it? Thats sounds a bit unfair. The rest of the world is unfair, why follow the trend? This world is crazy, and it sounds like in the game worlds, some of it is being inputted into it. That frustrates me, and I don't like it at all. But I can't do nothing about it. So be it, it is what it is.

As for you rustymiller, experiance loss is there to encourage you to learn from your mistakes and not constantly die. I agree that sometimes you can't help dieing, such as when you encounter something that you believe you can handle but were mistaken, or if something larger simply aggros you, the experiance loss may help you to learn your limits, and respect them.

Please no one take offense to what I say, I am just trying to help.

MiseryIndex

11-21-2007, 06:02 PM

So you lose like 10.000 xp if you die at level 50?

zemigon

11-23-2007, 08:50 AM

i lost a level several times but i still could wear my equipment

Claiomh.Solais

11-23-2007, 09:07 AM

So you lose like 10.000 xp if you die at level 50?

Considering the amount of exp lost is a %, that could be so. Still I don’t know what kind of relation is there between gained exp and lvl, but most likely it’s not lineal. The example I gave was just that, an example, I completely made up the numbers.

MiseryIndex

11-25-2007, 12:55 AM

Then that kind of is annoying. But I'll get used to it, the penatly for dying on Nostale simply makes items from stores cost 500% what they originally they were.

ryuchi

11-25-2007, 03:02 AM

Well losing Exp. isn't the problem.....it's delvling thats annoying

example*
you just lvled an before you can even get 1% you die for whatever reason
an then you delvl.....ok your mad.....so you go back, train, and relvl then some
assf*** decides to bring like 10 aggros right to you just for fun...then you die
and delvl again

At this point I just want to quit!.

Well...you only lose exp. an delvl....you still get to keep whatever spell or equipment you gain....
but it's still annoying and make it that much harder to reach a new lvl

sorry random rant lol X3

MiseryIndex

11-25-2007, 03:11 AM

You are...however correct.

SPDgonzales

11-25-2007, 04:20 AM

i will really suck if you lose levels or experience when you die in ANY mmorpg:(

Claiomh.Solais

11-25-2007, 08:22 AM

You people don't really seem to understand my point -.-u

When you die you lose exp. THAT's IT.

Yes, If you lose enough exp you do lose a level, but seeing as you don’t lose any of the bonuses from gaining a level in the first place, it can be considered the same as keeping the level and having a negative % of exp till you get what you lost back. That’s it. Get it now?

MiseryIndex

11-25-2007, 08:32 PM

It's just meant to make it take longer to level again.

Euphie

11-26-2007, 11:05 PM

Whenever I go down one level, my skill continues to work. . _.

I don't think loosing a level and having a skill already in your list would block you from using it.

Well... And this is a game, you need to loose level to make things more balanced. . _. Kind of.

You can't always stay the same. Or else what the heck. No one would care about dying.

If they go somewhere hard, they'll continue to go back and get even more EXP after dying.

Then die again.

It's liek plane :ASLDJASODMOADSJFIIIIIKL. . _____.

graga

11-29-2007, 05:50 AM

one VERY simple solution to this problem..... STOP GETTING KILLED

Sure there is always a monster out there that will hand your **** to you on a silver platter, but theres no need to even try to fight them. Sure killing weak as hell monsters is long and tedius, but think of the advantages. one would be VERY LOW death rate (only way you could die is by letting 5 monsters hit you for a while) and easy kills, and finally alot of drops (not the best kinds but you can still make alot of extra cash off it)

Following this playing stile may take more time. but you sures hell wont die and lose your hard earned exp. and you will be MAKING MONEY since you wont be spamming your pots.

MiseryIndex

11-29-2007, 06:07 AM

You don't have to scream it. And basically you added nothing into the conversation.

Horforia

11-29-2007, 07:31 AM

so you all are saying that if you are at a level, then you should never lose that level. I can see where you are coming from: you trained to gain that experience and knowledge, why should you lose it? arent we suposed to learn from our mistakes?

the only problem is that if there is no punishment for death, there will be noobs running around the hardest parts of the world just not careing if they die cause they lose nothing from it.
plus there will be people who will get to a high level then just stay there forever, and it will be very hard to catch up to them for the top ranks, or if they are PAing, it would be hard to pk them, cause if you do, they dont lose enough to matter, so they can just keep PAing, sucure in the knowledge that since they already have 0 exp for that level, they have nothing to worrie about losing stuff.

as much as i hate the 10% of full exp loss they have in tibia, it would be even worse to have it the way some of you are sugesting.

Serric

11-29-2007, 09:05 AM

You don't have to scream it. And basically you added nothing into the conversation.

Not true - he said stile ^_^

so you all are saying that if you are at a level, then you should never lose that level. I can see where you are coming from: you trained to gain that experience and knowledge, why should you lose it? arent we suposed to learn from our mistakes?

the only problem is that if there is no punishment for death, there will be noobs running around the hardest parts of the world just not careing if they die cause they lose nothing from it.
plus there will be people who will get to a high level then just stay there forever, and it will be very hard to catch up to them for the top ranks, or if they are PAing, it would be hard to pk them, cause if you do, they dont lose enough to matter, so they can just keep PAing, sucure in the knowledge that since they already have 0 exp for that level, they have nothing to worrie about losing stuff.

as much as i hate the 10% of full exp loss they have in tibia, it would be even worse to have it the way some of you are sugesting.

What I am saying is you should lose xp, possibly some money and maybe some unequipped items - however, you should NOT lose levels. Granted, taking on mobs equal to or stronger than you is a risk, and risks carry both rewards and penalties. As for high-lvl players, not much is going to stop them from being there, but perhaps this as an alternative (and I KNOW people will gawk at this but hey, I'm a rabblerouser):

Characters beyond lvl 50 run the risk of losing at least 1 EQUIPPED item upon death. Say a 1/20 chance per death. The item would be left on the ground to either be picked up by a friend, a passerby or, heaven forbid, it will simply disappear. Even bonused items.

That may provide sufficient risk, no? And still we don't need to lose levels.

Zyfe41

11-29-2007, 02:43 PM

That happens to me a lot, I was in the CBT. It happens, and I agree with Serric. Why should we lose levels when we die!?

graga

11-29-2007, 09:28 PM

losing a level when you die is your consequence for letting your self die. Kind of like a warning, if you don't want to lose your levels, then learn to go to a lower area and spend that extra hour to level(also meaning you DON'T die. and make decent cash off the loot. Plus not many potions will be used).

nuffsaid.

ryudo437

12-01-2007, 08:28 PM

weird when i turned 31 i tried killing lamp lava n died. I dont even hav any XP n it says " U hav Lost 0 XP " i didnt even go back to 30

redshadow45

12-02-2007, 08:13 AM

Obt Obt Obt Obt Obt Yay

Unholy-Aura

12-02-2007, 10:51 AM

o.0 What?

If you 'can't take it anymore' then don't bother posting anything. Especially if what you have to post isn't constructive or helpful to the topic in any way.

So you think your whine helps the community anywhere?
Just stop die and take it like a Computer Nerd, or a whimp.

Serric

12-02-2007, 03:27 PM

So you think your whine helps the community anywhere?
Just stop die and take it like a Computer Nerd, or a whimp.

Hmmm....

Seeing as A: this game is currently in beta and still open to change and B: several players of this game have a similar, of not the same, concern, then I feel this thread is warranted. I, as may of my friends and others playing this game, want to see the game succeed. This is why we were happy to partake in closed beta - to see the game, work out the bugs and help bring a quality product to the players.

I don't really see the same from you, however. So, and again, if you have nothing constructive to add then please just be quiet. I do understand people like you have this inate need to cause friction and perhaps even get a kick out of these trite comments you leave behind. That's your issue to deal with. Mine is trying to help iron out anything that can be considered a "wrinkle" in the game.

Trashknight

12-02-2007, 03:46 PM

Claiomh.Solais

12-03-2007, 02:44 PM

An alternative suggestion of a penalty could be temporary status reduction(30%?) for a set amount of time instead of losing equipment.

Otherwise we could do like in Diablo: Loose exp and gold, find the corpse to reclaim anything you wore before death within alloted time.

It's has already been stated that when loosing levels you just lose that, the exp. You don't lose the stats up from that level, nor the equipment, nor the skills. Since this doesn’t seem to be clear enough, I’ll be a little emphatic with it.

EVERY TIME YOU DIE, YOU LOSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EXP (WE WILL CALL THIS THE DEATH PENALTY). IF AT THE MOMENT OF YOUR DEATH YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH EXP TO PAY FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, THEN YES, YOU COULD LOSE A LEVEL AS THE REST OF THE EXP IS TAKEN FORM YOUR LAST LEVEL. THAT’S IT, YOU DON’T LOOSE STATS, EQUIPS, NOTHING AT ALL, YOU JUST PLAIN OLD LOSE THE SAME EXP YOU WOULD LOSE FROM DIEING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. VISUALLY IT MAY SEEM AS IF YOU LOST A LEVEL, BUT OVERALL YOU’RE JUST LOSING EXP AS IN ANY NORMAL DEATH. IS THAT FINALLY CLEAR OR SHOULD I EXPLAIN MORE?

Serric

12-03-2007, 05:56 PM

It's has already been stated that when loosing levels you just lose that, the exp. You don't lose the stats up from that level, nor the equipment, nor the skills. Since this doesn’t seem to be clear enough, I’ll be a little emphatic with it.

EVERY TIME YOU DIE, YOU LOSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EXP (WE WILL CALL THIS THE DEATH PENALTY). IF AT THE MOMENT OF YOUR DEATH YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH EXP TO PAY FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, THEN YES, YOU COULD LOSE A LEVEL AS THE REST OF THE EXP IS TAKEN FORM YOUR LAST LEVEL. THAT’S IT, YOU DON’T LOOSE STATS, EQUIPS, NOTHING AT ALL, YOU JUST PLAIN OLD LOSE THE SAME EXP YOU WOULD LOSE FROM DIEING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. VISUALLY IT MAY SEEM AS IF YOU LOST A LEVEL, BUT OVERALL YOU’RE JUST LOSING EXP AS IN ANY NORMAL DEATH. IS THAT FINALLY CLEAR OR SHOULD I EXPLAIN MORE?

::clears out his ear:: Sorry, I couldn't quite make that out. Can you repeat yourself more clearly next time?

:p

Yes, ok - that is true. I guess it's one thing if you lose a number and not the stats or ability to wear/use equipment. However, I heard that if you unequip an item that is //now// a higher level than you, you cannot re-equip it until you regain that level. Is this true?

Claiomh.Solais

12-04-2007, 05:23 PM

::clears out his ear:: Sorry, I couldn't quite make that out. Can you repeat yourself more clearly next time?

:p

Yes, ok - that is true. I guess it's one thing if you lose a number and not the stats or ability to wear/use equipment. However, I heard that if you unequip an item that is //now// a higher level than you, you cannot re-equip it until you regain that level. Is this true?

Does it really matter? It’s likely though. But c’mon, you don’t lose the whole damn level, you just go back to say, 96% of exp… so if you lost the level, just don’t de-equip things you otherwise shouldn’t be using and get the level back quickly and that’s it.