Lets have a little chat about the events.

[Horinia]

To start, this isnt really a rant persay. More along the lines of something I just cant wrap my head around.


Ok, so OS puts up in thier little news-letter, as vauge as it is I guess thats what they think a newsletter should be, that there wil be more GM interaction with us in the game.

Cool, I'm down with that. Maybe they can help keep things funner and more stable.

So in they stride today doing an event. Hmm /sarcasm "I wonder what kind of event this will be?" /sarcasm

Why lookie there, yup yet another moster spawning event.

Its in OX, nice no shops getting killed. But seriously, is that really all they can come up with? And for kickers its just the same opld mobs we've seen hundreds of times, in quantity though.

Look when Fiesta first rolled out, the events you guys did like Cypher, or hiding around the world giving out clues. In a shop with premium items the winners could buy, THAT stuff was fun.

Now every single event is just you, lagging us to death with no imagination, hitting the spawn button over and over.

What in the world possibly makes you think that WE think thats fun?

And for kickers, you dont even spawn fun mobs. What about Dungeon Cornelius (yes I know Hela is on the dont spawn list, I'm fine with that), or maybe some 100 KQ mobs, maybe some Henneath NPC's.

Instead of focusing on quantity, how about quality? Or better yet how about coming up with something thats TRUELY fun. Sure not EVERYONE can participate in something like cypher. Im sorry you dont just get to stand there and randomly swng at things. Events should make people go out of thier way to play. To activly participate, to test yourself in ways that dont involve a buncha mages AoE'ing the zone.

We get enough of that in KQ's and 9x+ thank you very much.

If the GM presense is really going to increase. And thier interaction with us will go up, how about putting a little work into it. Its not like your haveing to repave a highway. Your at a keyboard. Use the "game/program/concept skills" that landed you this job.

Put a little heart into it and maybe you will see our opinion of OS will start to rise a bit. After all, is'ntthat kind of the whole reason you exist? To bridge the community and company in game? Cus you sure dont fix bugs and have admitted that for sometime lol.

[ShonenHero]

"Fight a Boss" events are easily done because all they take is a GM to spam a certain quantity of a certain monster in that area, they`re the easiest to hold, people like them (If their PCs can stand the lag) and when they end, people can pick up stuff from the ground. It`s not a big deal, but it`s still for free

The "People ike them" is a fact, because people like them, you can see it in the event itself. People who go to the event, like it, and they have a good time. Today, you were the only one complaining in normal chat, so that everyone could hear you. When they didn`t summon the Cornelius you wanted so much, you started talking about how mediocre the events are, even after they told you they couldn`t summon him, like they told others they couldn`t summon Helga. It`s not that they didn`t want to, they couldn`t, and there`s gotta be a reason for that. It`d be childish to assume they didn`t summon the Cornelius because they "Didn`t want to" after they told you they couldn`t

Other events, like Cypher, take much more planning than the one mentioned above, and can`t be done in the spur of the moment. True, it`s been a while since one of those has been held, but start complaining about it in shout in the middle of a Fight the Boss event is just plain rude. Instead of sitting there yawning and saying that "You had seen that stuff thousands of times" get out of OX and go do something else

Right now, coming out from a period where no event was held whatsoever, I`d rather take quantity over quality, also

Regarding your last comment, where you tell GMs to "Put a little more heart into it", maybe you should be the one to put a little more faith into it and appreciate what they do instead of shooting them down every chance you get, because if I was a GM and I read this post you just made, I wouldn`t wanna do an event for YOU to have fun in it

This is the game you play, so play it with a smile, dude

[Horinia]

I dont remeber seeing at anytime them saying they couldent summon him. If i missed that in the spam, then ok cool.

Its not because I dont "get what I want" that I dont like them, its because plain and simple they are just not fun.

We get to do that AoE thing all the time in KQ's and grinding. Anyone who goes to gargs knows this.

Mass killing of mobs is not fun. Events should be fun.

I used to have fun on the monster spawn. But after #500,000,000 of the same old thing, its lost its luster.

For the little guys, and the new players thats fine. But thats ALL the events seem to be geared to, with high levels taking away the challenge. 7-8 9x mages come in , aoe , boom dead mobs.

If they want to stick to that same plan, and not put work into it, fine. Im not going to try to sound elitist, it may come out that way, but after 90, WE GET BORED. If theres an event I still get a little excited at first, untill it happens. I wanted the change in routine. But I come to find its the same thing everytime, with the same mobs.

The events used to be truely epic. Remember running around with Steams clues, trying to be the first to find his store and buy yourself tha prize? And it was a good prize, an awesome prize, you held your head up high when you got it. And you were left with a feeling of success, and talked about it for months.

Thats an event. Something that leaves the feeling like that. Im not saying do it everytime, but no matter what, you have to admit every one in the last 6 month has been a letdown.

People do like them yes, but not everyone. Did I complain. You betcha. And I am not ashamed of that. When I hear "Event" i haer "Event". The sound of something interactive, fun for all, and something that you look forward too and get satisfaction out of.

If others like it the way it is fine. But I know for 100% fact that probably 3/4 of the people hate these standard stereo-typical events. Most dont even show. You think that the 100 people that DID show up represnted the majority of the community? I beg to differ. Thats the minority in fact. And while they should not be ignored, neither should everyone else. Im not saying my idea is the only idea and im right and everyone else is wrong. Im just pointing out what I know many people have said, and what many will continue to say if this trend keeps up.

[A_geezy]

I think it's fun.

In fact my favorite time of day is when I get to lure mobs into shops

Too bad they don't do them in Eldi as much, they were a lotta fun :)

[SKiNG]

To start, this isnt really a rant persay. More along the lines of something I just cant wrap my head around.


Ok, so OS puts up in thier little news-letter, as vauge as it is I guess thats what they think a newsletter should be, that there wil be more GM interaction with us in the game.

Cool, I'm down with that. Maybe they can help keep things funner and more stable.

So in they stride today doing an event. Hmm /sarcasm "I wonder what kind of event this will be?" /sarcasm

Why lookie there, yup yet another moster spawning event.

Its in OX, nice no shops getting killed. But seriously, is that really all they can come up with? And for kickers its just the same opld mobs we've seen hundreds of times, in quantity though.

Look when Fiesta first rolled out, the events you guys did like Cypher, or hiding around the world giving out clues. In a shop with premium items the winners could buy, THAT stuff was fun.

Now every single event is just you, lagging us to death with no imagination, hitting the spawn button over and over.

What in the world possibly makes you think that WE think thats fun?

And for kickers, you dont even spawn fun mobs. What about Dungeon Cornelius (yes I know Hela is on the dont spawn list, I'm fine with that), or maybe some 100 KQ mobs, maybe some Henneath NPC's.

Instead of focusing on quantity, how about quality? Or better yet how about coming up with something thats TRUELY fun. Sure not EVERYONE can participate in something like cypher. Im sorry you dont just get to stand there and randomly swng at things. Events should make people go out of thier way to play. To activly participate, to test yourself in ways that dont involve a buncha mages AoE'ing the zone.

We get enough of that in KQ's and 9x+ thank you very much.

If the GM presense is really going to increase. And thier interaction with us will go up, how about putting a little work into it. Its not like your haveing to repave a highway. Your at a keyboard. Use the "game/program/concept skills" that landed you this job.

Put a little heart into it and maybe you will see our opinion of OS will start to rise a bit. After all, is'ntthat kind of the whole reason you exist? To bridge the community and company in game? Cus you sure dont fix bugs and have admitted that for sometime lol.

You have valid points. It's something the GMs are working on. Coincidently, one of the next projects the GMs have are to join up in teams (Straega, Kae vs Tokara, Nekopon) and create an event that is hopefully fun for all. Then we will request a vote on a poll for who created the better event.

But to be fair to the current GMs, they are still learning all the capabilities within the game. I personally requested that they "play safe" until they are more comfortable with expanding their powers (blame me). Mistakes can and will happen (right Kae?). And to their defense, yes it IS like repaving a highway. Out with the old, in with the new. They obviously have to meet expectations with the likes of previous GMs (Steam/Dakkon).

[Horinia]

See, thats what I wanted to see.

You have no idea how glad I a to see you actually have a plan, not just "working on it".

Thats awesome and I cant wait for it.

Im not trying to be a stick in the mud, but I know I wasnt the only one that felt that way, and now that we see staff are actually going to work and take time for something good it bring a feeling of a joint effort of community and company.

Kudos to that.

One or two suggestions, of course disregard if you'd like.

Come up with more then one maybe, so they can be wswitched up.

See if the community maybe can make full event suggestions. I know I had one about porting a guild to an instanced zone or something and pitting the Guild as a whole against some bosses. Sorta like Helga but as a guild only event. Not fair t all but for he winners of a contest. I duno, ideas like that if they are fiormed.

Would you be inerested in player suggestions, not just opinions? Or are you going to conceptualize these yourselves?

[tronkeee]

[QUOTE=Horinia;2546081]See if the community maybe can make full event suggestions. I know I had one about porting a guild to an instanced zone or something and pitting the Guild as a whole against some bosses. Sorta like Helga but as a guild only event. Not fair t all but for he winners of a contest. I duno, ideas like that if they are fiormed.
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How about porting several guilds to an instanced zone and they can all take on the gms?

[crystaleyes]

You have valid points. It's something the GMs are working on. Coincidently, one of the next projects the GMs have are to join up in teams (Straega, Kae vs Tokara, Nekopon) and create an event that is hopefully fun for all. Then we will request a vote on a poll for who created the better event.

But to be fair to the current GMs, they are still learning all the capabilities within the game. I personally requested that they "play safe" until they are more comfortable with expanding their powers (blame me). Mistakes can and will happen (right Kae?). And to their defense, yes it IS like repaving a highway. Out with the old, in with the new. They obviously have to meet expectations with the likes of previous GMs (Steam/Dakkon).

<3 SKiNG
And the new GMs are still... well "new"
Just about everyone's seen neko around because she's on the forums quite a bit, however the other GM's are often MIA.

Maybe have them post a get to know you GM's interview thingy? Like have people ask them questions they can answer too, so we get to know them as people? ^^''
(I know the blog was doing some interviews a while back, but I don't know if those are still going on, they weren't advertised well)
Hey who knows, maybe you can make that into an in-game event somehow ^^

And I don't think it was a mistake to have them play it safe.
Last thing you want is for them to make a horrible first impression on the players x.x
See, thats what I wanted to see.

You have no idea how glad I a to see you actually have a plan, not just "working on it".

Thats awesome and I cant wait for it.

Im not trying to be a stick in the mud, but I know I wasnt the only one that felt that way, and now that we see staff are actually going to work and take time for something good it bring a feeling of a joint effort of community and company.

Kudos to that.

One or two suggestions, of course disregard if you'd like.

Come up with more then one maybe, so they can be wswitched up.

See if the community maybe can make full event suggestions. I know I had one about porting a guild to an instanced zone or something and pitting the Guild as a whole against some bosses. Sorta like Helga but as a guild only event. Not fair t all but for he winners of a contest. I duno, ideas like that if they are fiormed.

Would you be inerested in player suggestions, not just opinions? Or are you going to conceptualize these yourselves?


The only problem with player suggestions is that there's no limit to them.
The GM's know (for the most part) what can and can't be done in-game, whereas the players will come up with suggestions that may or may not seem crazy, but most end up being not doable because they don't know the parameters of the game.

A lot of things players suggest would involve like new content (special maps/monsters) or some kind of rule change (like say they wanted to make all the servers pvp everywhere for a day), all of which would require help from the game's developers (Onsonsoft) which would take time. Quite a bit, I'd imagine.

If a GM is suggesting an event idea, they have a decent idea that it can be done, and maybe is already being worked on, so it can be implemented much faster.

Anyways, just my thoughts ^^.

[Angels]

I just thought i'd point out that past Gm's Were around when it was closed beta and they were allowed to make accidents because they needed to test the servers to their full capabilities ;) In such they got expereince doing these events and im pretty certain its not like you have a basic click to spawn button on the gm's clients but usually with these things it involves alot of command entering to spawn stuff.

Personally i never expect Gm's to be around much but when they are i know there taking the time to come see us all and im pretty sure they need to have fun too because im sure there busy working on those bug fixes when at work ( I hope XD)

All in all, Keep up the work gm's and hopefully will see better and
well..... more complicated events in the future ;).

[fireyair]

You have valid points. It's something the GMs are working on. Coincidently, one of the next projects the GMs have are to join up in teams (Straega, Kae vs Tokara, Nekopon) and create an event that is hopefully fun for all. Then we will request a vote on a poll for who created the better event.

Is this for real? That would be awesome.


Peace:cool:

[Jsonthegreat]

I just thought i'd point out that past Gm's Were around when it was closed beta and they were allowed to make accidents because they needed to test the servers to their full capabilities ;) In such they got expereince doing these events and im pretty certain its not like you have a basic click to spawn button on the gm's clients but usually with these things it involves alot of command entering to spawn stuff.

Personally i never expect Gm's to be around much but when they are i know there taking the time to come see us all and im pretty sure they need to have fun too because im sure there busy working on those bug fixes when at work ( I hope XD)

All in all, Keep up the work gm's and hopefully will see better and
well..... more complicated events in the future ;).

One time I was talking really loudly with a friend of mine in shout and a GM was trying to talk to a young cleric in private and eating a bag of chips that they thought went good with the conversation and I guess we we're being too loud without even knowing it and the GM looked at us and was like "BE QUIET!"

[SKiNG]

See, thats what I wanted to see.

You have no idea how glad I a to see you actually have a plan, not just "working on it".

Thats awesome and I cant wait for it.

Im not trying to be a stick in the mud, but I know I wasnt the only one that felt that way, and now that we see staff are actually going to work and take time for something good it bring a feeling of a joint effort of community and company.

Kudos to that.

One or two suggestions, of course disregard if you'd like.

Come up with more then one maybe, so they can be wswitched up.

See if the community maybe can make full event suggestions. I know I had one about porting a guild to an instanced zone or something and pitting the Guild as a whole against some bosses. Sorta like Helga but as a guild only event. Not fair t all but for he winners of a contest. I duno, ideas like that if they are fiormed.

Would you be inerested in player suggestions, not just opinions? Or are you going to conceptualize these yourselves?

Believe it or not, we read the forums ALOT... for example, I saw a post not too long ago where someone brought up an old favorite event created by Dakkon. Where users would compete in the OX field seeing who could defeat a string of monsters the fastest. We are looking into making that event more feasible with less disruptions.

So to answer you question, yes we are always interested in player suggestions.

Is this for real? That would be awesome.


Peace:cool:

Yes for real...

[Jsonthegreat]

So to answer you question, yes we are always interested in player suggestions.



Yes for real...

I want to make my own avatar.

[Angels]

Sking, you really shouldnt be up at 3am in the morning go to sleep :P Gosh you Gm's stay up late alot lol X D

As were on the idea of ideas how about a sort of monster dash i remember in cb when we had the ox arena used instead of the field since we didnt have it, that mobs would be densely spawned inside the arena with treasure chests placed at the very back of the arena, so if you wanted to get to the treasure you had to fight your way through since runnning would get you killed by range mobs :P

Dont know if you could do it again with monsters not being spawned in eldy but maybe a similar arrangement in ox field since you can't go through the main field but you could put chests behind it with mobs on either side of the field so you get a similar manner :P

[Odrioll]

For some reason I'm too nice, so I'll wait till something is actually set up for events, even after those long months without any fun events !

But there is something i can not understand ._.
When Dakkon/Steam/SnakeEyes... left, wasn't there some sort of formation given to the new GMs ? I mean, they could have left with a lot of knowledge, there are still traces of their skills, their abilities... I can get that they are willing to write their own legend, but that would have been way faster if they could have been taught essential things by u and Silky who have been here for a long time...

Maybe I'm wrong and u did that. But the truth is we don't have this impression sorry D:

[Cherushi]

To the OP, I think you as an old player have a valid complaint. Maybe, GMs need to think of events depending on who their target audience is. That might help because the event you mentioned is really fun for new players, but for old... not so much since we've been to those events a lot of times. Depends on the perspective of the player really so it's not that those events are fail or really boring, it jsut so happens its boring for you, and the kind of players you belong to.

You have valid points. It's something the GMs are working on. Coincidently, one of the next projects the GMs have are to join up in teams (Straega, Kae vs Tokara, Nekopon) and create an event that is hopefully fun for all. Then we will request a vote on a poll for who created the better event.

But to be fair to the current GMs, they are still learning all the capabilities within the game. I personally requested that they "play safe" until they are more comfortable with expanding their powers (blame me). Mistakes can and will happen (right Kae?). And to their defense, yes it IS like repaving a highway. Out with the old, in with the new. They obviously have to meet expectations with the likes of previous GMs (Steam/Dakkon).

I honestly feel there are a lot of pressure on the new GMs now. Kudos to them. They became a GM at the point where players are fed up, disgruntled and well moody. Previous GMs didn't have to deal with that before. So, to all that they've done so far, I appreciate it. And posts like this are really something we players can look forward to.

Is it me, or are events no longer announce in-game? Erm, prolly I just missed it. Just a little question to raise..

I'm looking forward to what you said SKiNG, the event contest between the new GMs. I'm sure they can come up with something really creative and fun!

Anyways, my point is, as many have pointed out, from a point where GM interaction was nonexistent, what they've been doing is great so far. I'm sure it will get better soon. I've seen a lot of GMs lately around towns. It's really pleasant to see them in-game for some weird reason especially when they answer almost all of our silly/serious questions.

Cheers to the new GMs <3

Believe it or not, we read the forums ALOT... for example, I saw a post not too long ago where someone brought up an old favorite event created by Dakkon. Where users would compete in the OX field seeing who could defeat a string of monsters the fastest. We are looking into making that event more feasible with less disruptions.

So to answer you question, yes we are always interested in player suggestions.



Yes for real...

I liked this event too! Events that showcase some players who have the skill and compete on a legit event without adding too mcuh drama is really awesome to watch! :D I believe you do read the forums a lot :) Hence why we see changes happen here and there ;D

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There is something I want to point out though. Previously what made the events held by Steam and Dakkon before made so successful and memorable to players is we get to see new items and the rewards were really useful BACK THEN. The events had really special prizes.

Example: players are rewarded T2 VIT/DEF recipe. At that time when abyss wasn't released or it wasn't added to the NPCs. Another example, the arena event held by Dakkon awarded a +9 I think, which at that time was impossible. :)

This USEFUL rewards meant a lot and it motivated a lot of players to join the events. And when there's lot of people participating, it surely adds to the fun ^^

[lordalden]

To the OP, I think you as an old player have a valid complaint. Maybe, GMs need to think of events depending on who their target audience is. That might help because the event you mentioned is really fun for new players, but for old... not so much since we've been to those events a lot of times. Depends on the perspective of the player really so it's not that those events are fail or really boring, it jsut so happens its boring for you, and the kind of players you belong to.



I honestly feel there are a lot of pressure on the new GMs now. Kudos to them. They became a GM at the point where players are fed up, disgruntled and well moody. Previous GMs didn't have to deal with that before. So, to all that they've done so far, I appreciate it. And posts like this are really something we players can look forward to.

Is it me, or are events no longer announce in-game? Erm, prolly I just missed it. Just a little question to raise..

I'm looking forward to what you said SKiNG, the event contest between the new GMs. I'm sure they can come up with something really creative and fun!

Anyways, my point is, as many have pointed out, from a point where GM interaction was nonexistent, what they've been doing is great so far. I'm sure it will get better soon. I've seen a lot of GMs lately around towns. It's really pleasant to see them in-game for some weird reason especially when they answer almost all of our silly/serious questions.

Cheers to the new GMs <3



I liked this event too! Events that showcase some players who have the skill and compete on a legit event without adding too mcuh drama is really awesome to watch! :D I believe you do read the forums a lot :) Hence why we see changes happen here and there ;D

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~

There is something I want to point out though. Previously what made the events held by Steam and Dakkon before made so successful and memorable to players is we get to see new items and the rewards were really useful BACK THEN. The events had really special prizes.

Example: players are rewarded T2 VIT/DEF recipe. At that time when abyss wasn't released or it wasn't added to the NPCs. Another example, the arena event held by Dakkon awarded a +9 I think, which at that time was impossible. :)

This USEFUL rewards meant a lot and it motivated a lot of players to join the events. And when there's lot of people participating, it surely adds to the fun ^^

I don't think how long a player has been around necessarily has any bearing on them enjoying a past executed event, although I actually do agree that some of the ones I've seen many times before feel bland to me. It just depends on how fun it's made out to be by the GM and/or audience themselves.

Too often you'll tell yourself "oh this again" rather than look at it a tad differently. That's not hard to do though, I admit I do it quite a bit, so far be it for me to say you make an invalid point, I'd be a hypocrite!

Also, as to the last part about useful rewards. I would say you have a point(and earnestly believe you do), but at the same time back then there were a lot of players who went under the mentality of "oh my gosh, GM! Must do event, meet them, and/or spam them!".

Nowadays people are not as super-amazed because they've seen GM's before(for the most part), so I find that, in my opinion, you're absolutely right about useful rewards, but I suppose that could be seen in other lights too.

Giving away too many things that are 'useful' could in turn cause some players to feel their efforts to get that otherwise hard to obtain item feel trivialized, and I feel that's something to consider. 'Useful' by the way, is a term that player by player, will have a different value or meaning for, so I feel finding an agreeable common ground would also be beneficial in this regard.