SC items cost WAY! to much now. ><

[sneakyness]

5k+ SC for a hp/sp stone carrier ? This is getting completely insane, I think OS needs to take a close look at how much it would cost just to have a few essential things per month.... How can we continue to afford this, it's just crazy greed. ><

5k+ Hp/Sp stone carrier
3k+ Crit Suit
6.2k Teva
6.5k Exstender
15k exp boost

Add that all up just to have the average SC player, and it's costing 5x the average online game monthly subscription price....

So just common OS give us players a break, there's no way your server hosting costs + a few gm's dev's would cost you even half of what you charge for SC....

[nishant-rocks]

lol umm dude theyre way cheaper now

[joecracker]

SC items cost a lot more then they used to in general :)

just dont buy if u dont want

[A_geezy]

No they don't >:O

[joecracker]

ive been buying SC items since they made the real cash shop with crit and perfects

SC items in general are more, nothign more nothing less

you can choose to buy or choose not to, the stone carry is a bit overpriced i would have guessed 3500 max as u can spend 8xxx sc for the lvling pack and get bot and other things too :)

[sneakyness]

It's true that it's the players choice here, but you are FORCED to buy these things if you want to be anywhere near most of the others players, so everyone just thinks dam other players have it, I need it to.. But instead of this type of outlook on sc, I think we should all band together and stop buying the overpriced crud, i've been behind the scenes of many servers and I know how much bandwidth costs, the amount they seem to be pretending it costs is almost criminal... ><

[Odrioll]

Have to agree with Joe once more...

At the beginning, I could have one (T3)enhancement and buy one crit suit/hat for like 12-15k sc. I wonder who could do that now...
But for me the worst thing is that if you want to lvl within a month in the 9x, you do need a 50-100% xp card...
Not to talk about the extender and enhancement stones now :eek:

Only good thing is some prices lowered on suits, and my uber perm dakkon's suit.

That is not enough to me >_<

[kurayamiblack]

I think we should all band together and stop buying the overpriced crud

Ok, I was with you all the way up to this point.

I really wish people would stop saying "we need to stop buying this and that".

The reason I wish people would stop is because as far as I can tell, the number of people on the forums who read this won't even remotely compare to the total amount of people on Fiesta that purchase stuff from the store. I didn't even start coming to the forums until after 3 months of playing and eeven that was out of pure curiosity. Unless you're a spam bot, there's no way to accurately advertize this well enough to actually be effective and even if ou were a spam bot, more people would ignore you for spamming rather than read what you have to say 50 times a minute.

You think you need to band together and stop buying this expensive crud. But what you really need is a better idea that will make changes happen without making everyone angry in the process. I mean, don't you think there's enough anger around here already? <insert arguments about skills, balancing, SC costs, glitch complaints, and sarcasm filled personal disputes spawned by the above here>

[Cherushi]

Aww, I think it depends on how you spend. But if you are really that kind of player who grinds most of the days in a month it may seem expensive. However for a casual gamer who can only log in like weekends or something, I have seen improvement in their prices seeing they have made options like 1 day items. You just need to really choose what you need.

Anyhow, in my experience, while it seems to get out of hand at times, Outspark listens to their players. :) There may be other reasons to the price increase or release of items and their pricing however making a complaint thread isn't productive.

What I suggest you do, when there is something you want to question, and as a customer, you have every right to, explain what you think is wrong. You've done this well so far. However, what you want to do is to also convince Outspark to your views and suggestions. Complaining and just pure complaining is pointless. Want your suggestion taken into action? Give them another option. An option that NOT only benefits you, but benefits them in the long run. Like what Joe did, he posted a suggested price based on its previous price along with the leveling pack.

Otherwise, this will not be helpful at all.

For now I'm glad they made it available outside the leveling pack, because there were times I wanted to buy that pack just for hp/sp stone increase. So uhm, yes, we'll have to see how its release price will do to the customers :)

[bigj3234]

Aww, I think it depends on how you spend. But if you are really that kind of player who grinds most of the days in a month it may seem expensive. However for a casual gamer who can only log in like weekends or something, I have seen improvement in their prices seeing they have made options like 1 day items. You just need to really choose what you need.

Anyhow, in my experience, while it seems to get out of hand at times, Outspark listens to their players. :) There may be other reasons to the price increase or release of items and their pricing however making a complaint thread isn't productive.

What I suggest you do, when there is something you want to question, and as a customer, you have every right to, explain what you think is wrong. You've done this well so far. However, what you want to do is to also convince Outspark to your views and suggestions. Complaining and just pure complaining is pointless. Want your suggestion taken into action? Give them another option. An option that NOT only benefits you, but benefits them in the long run. Like what Joe did, he posted a suggested price based on its previous price along with the leveling pack.

Otherwise, this will not be helpful at all.

For now I'm glad they made it available outside the leveling pack, because there were times I wanted to buy that pack just for hp/sp stone increase. So uhm, yes, we'll have to see how its release price will do to the customers :)

That's me. I'm on every day, but I can only level for a few hours on the weekends, usually only one of the days. I'm okay with this, and I don't mind leveling slowly. I used to be highly upset at the prices, because for me, it's not worth it to buy a lot of 30-day items.

Example: EXP Boost 100%
30 Day costs 15345
1 Day costs 1535

30 1 days = 46050. So, just buy the 30 day right?

Except, I only get to use it 4 days (about) in that 30 day period. If i buy 4 1 Day cards instead I spend only 6140, saving myself 9k SC and getting to use almost all of the card, rather than 15% of the card.

Overall, I still think most items are too expensive. As a result, I don't buy them. If you think something costs too much money, then don't buy it. If you are so outraged you feel the need complain, do so, but do not ask others to feel the same outrage.

[GM_Silkypico]

I've been doing store overhauls all month and almost every single item is 5%-20% cheaper than 2 months ago.

You can check out the revised prices for Enhancement Bundles, Pets, Mounts, Leveling Bundles and more.

Giving players a break? I think I did.

[Daevor]

So after dropping the prices by 5%~20%, playing Fiesta in an enjoyable manner is still 3~5 times more expensive than an average p2p game?

I'd hate to think how ridiculously expensive the prices were 2 months ago :eek:

I'm going take a wild guess here and say that the primary reason the prices were dropped by 5%~20% is that OS' gross sales figures were significantly hit, as they had simply hiked the prices too high, and the resultant drop in sales volume was just too severe to be offset against the increased prices.

I suppose only time will tell if this 5%~20% reduction from sky-high prices is good enough.

[rockinclover]

Someone said this before but it's also a tactic to get you to buy the bundles rather than separately. Getting the leveling pack is much cheaper than buying most of that stuff separate on the list. I was happy about them putting out the separate stone carrier... but now I'm hooked on BoT so it ends up being useless for me to consider the separate stone carrier.

[CM_Oracle]

So after dropping the prices by 5%~20%, playing Fiesta in an enjoyable manner is still 3~5 times more expensive than an average p2p game?

I'd hate to think how ridiculously expensive the prices were 2 months ago :eek:

I'm going take a wild guess here and say that the primary reason the prices were dropped by 5%~20% is that OS' gross sales figures were significantly hit, as they had simply hiked the prices too high, and the resultant drop in sales volume was just too severe to be offset against the increased prices.

I suppose only time will tell if this 5%~20% reduction from sky-high prices is good enough.

Or Outspark is listening to their players and trying to find a happy medium between what we need and what you guys want.

[GM_Silkypico]

Someone said this before but it's also a tactic to get you to buy the bundles rather than separately. Getting the leveling pack is much cheaper than buying most of that stuff separate on the list. I was happy about them putting out the separate stone carrier... but now I'm hooked on BoT so it ends up being useless for me to consider the separate stone carrier.

I'll make another bundle with HP/SP Soul Stone Sack with other current essential items. Of course with the discount of 20% off the top when purchasing all items.

[Adrichiang]

I've been doing store overhauls all month and almost every single item is 5%-20% cheaper than 2 months ago.

You can check out the revised prices for Enhancement Bundles, Pets, Mounts, Leveling Bundles and more.

Giving players a break? I think I did.

I think you are giving them a break, the main issue I see is not so much about lowering the sparkcash price but better management of ones finances.

Things to consider when buying is:

1. What you need? sparkcash items that is essential to play effectively if you solo for exp rather than working in a group. Say a Blessing of Teva to prevent exp lost when dying too much when soloing especially during higher levels when monsters hits so hard its so easy to die.

2. What you want? customization options such as beauty coupon and costumes. It's nice to look nice but its not essential to leveling if you do not look pretty or lack some critical bonuses even at higher levels.

3. What you can afford? Ultimately this is the main factor on an player purchasing from the cash shop, if they got no money they get nothing from the cash shop. This is the responsibility of each player's own financial situation and its their own responsibility to remedy their money issues. Outspark can not control how well or poorly one manages their own finances.

5k+ SC for a hp/sp stone carrier ? This is getting completely insane, I think OS needs to take a close look at how much it would cost just to have a few essential things per month.... How can we continue to afford this, it's just crazy greed. ><

5k+ Hp/Sp stone carrier
3k+ Crit Suit
6.2k Teva
6.5k Exstender
15k exp boost

Add that all up just to have the average SC player, and it's costing 5x the average online game monthly subscription price....

So just common OS give us players a break, there's no way your server hosting costs + a few gm's dev's would cost you even half of what you charge for SC....

In this example, if like purchasing car parts, buying specific parts of the car one at a time would be more expensive than buying the whole car at once.

Based on the OP's example, if it's not affordable to get the items separately, its like not being able to afford one's previous lifestyle. The OP may have to consider downgrading to something comparable like the Leveling Pack for 8745 sparkcash. They would have the same benefits of the Stone Carrier and Blessing of Teva. They would receive 10 units of the 30% HP/SP Extenders and the 20% 2 Hour exp boost cards. Sure the player would die more often with less HP but BOT reduce exp lost from death. Sure it may takes longer to exp but grinding is not truly horrible until you hit level 90+ when there are little to no repeat quests available. It's like no longer buying brand name items and using generic brands because you do not have as much money irl, but it will not kill you if you do not use name brands, you just won't enjoy as much.

Best thing to do in situations like this is try to think in the longer term on how I can make more money irl more efficiently so I could maintain my lifestyle. It's much easier and better in the long run to personally improve then to convince others to give you a break if you fell on hard times.

[livelaughandlove]

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[forumforby]

I agree it is rediculous. It costs way less for a monthly subscription on other games.
But I guess that's what you get for working with a new company which is greedy and money hungry.

[silksilk]

I've been doing store overhauls all month and almost every single item is 5%-20% cheaper than 2 months ago.

You can check out the revised prices for Enhancement Bundles, Pets, Mounts, Leveling Bundles and more.

Giving players a break? I think I did.


I had to lol at this one.

Ok 5-20% percent off from raising it 40% since February 2008. so technically its still 20+% higher than it used to be, I am not going to go into details, but im sure all the older players know what im talking about.



once again I lol.


Oh wait I almost forgot why dont you overhaul Fiesta it self and make 5-20% changes in the bugs/glitches.


Lol'd

[GM_Silkypico]

I have all statistical data since the game opened. Trust me, it's significantly lower than 2008. Too bad you can't check your purchase history prior to February 2009 prior to the new store change.

I currently do not work on Fiesta (for a long time actually). All the bugs that are reported/posted on the forum are noted by QA and in development/testing phases. I have no control over patching releases of what's prioritized to be fixed first. As our team changes internally, I can assure you that these issues will be addressed.

[rockinclover]

I'll make another bundle with HP/SP Soul Stone Sack with other current essential items. Of course with the discount of 20% off the top when purchasing all items.

I am a fan of the Leveling Pack as it is. It isn't cheap but it's an added bonus with extenders/exp boost and I see it as an even greater deal now that I see the price of the stone carrier. I just wish the stone carrier was... [8745 (price of leveling pack) - 6295 (price of BoT)] + 20% = 2940 sc by itself (and thats not including the fact that you get the extenders and exp boost cards with the pack).

Thanks for considering anything I said though. I know I'm hard on the game/GMs sometimes but I have appreciated some of the prices changes you've implemented. I know it takes work to go through the store and make decisions that everyone will not be happy with... even I at one point was upset that the eva headphones were decreased soon after I bought them (though, I was one of the one's who complained about the price in the first place).

editedit: while you're here, hey, make a silky costume bundle- permanent of course. cat ears + maid dress = me buying 2 :3

[silksilk]

You dont have to lie to kick it silky =/ I already knwo about you and little white lies

Leveling pack used to be 57xxSC , now its 8K lol there, now tell me again about how lowered it is.

[GM_Silkypico]

You dont have to lie to kick it silky =/ I already knwo about you and little white lies

Leveling pack used to be 57xxSC , now its 8K lol there, now tell me again about how lowered it is.

Leveling Pack History

Date: 10-31-2007
Price: $15.71

Date: 04-28-2008
Price: $14.21 (Price Revision)

Date: 11-02-2008
Price: $12.49 (Price Revision / current)


(15.71-12.49)/15.71 = .20496*100 = 20.496% cheaper than original release date/price.

Thanks for listening.

[bigj3234]

Leveling Pack History

Date: 10-31-2007
Price: $15.71

Date: 04-28-2008
Price: $14.21 (Price Revision)

Date: 11-02-2008
Price: $12.49 (Price Revision / current)

o.O US$5 used to buy ... ~1500 SparkCash?

Edit: @silksilk the only way it cost 57xx SC is if spark cash itself were more expensive, given the information from Silky.

[yuukikuran]

you are right. we are free to buy or not buy, i had buy SC, but i think the items are really expensive, for example in other games, the clothes cost 11 or 15 Dlls but it are permanents (almost all items are permanents), in exchange here cost aprox 5 dlls but for a month D:
you can change money of the game for money to buy items,and they not have problems with the populations, cuz they have 2 servers, but a lot of channels (NO LAG :D)
i think that they should offer a best service.

is my opinion oki? :D

[yuukikuran]

aa sorry for my bad english XD i dont know it a lot XD.

[Stacey]

You know, I find it funny how many people were calling out for more stones for their class, such as the archers/mages, but OS found once again another way to make player needs into a commodity.

-10 faith points...

[neko_play]

I have bought a few permenant SC items and enhanced some gear, I don't plan on doing any of it ever again.
I think that if OS lowered the price, so it didn't cost the same to subscribe to a game for a month as it did for a one month crit suit, many more people would buy things other than a haircut.

[blackbear71]

Well i think they should just go ahead and make it p2p and give us the SC items in an npc store it would be a win win IMO. We would know what we were to pay every month and OS would know what they are going to make too. Win Win

[Tamlinari]

I believe that it the prices are less now since there were a lot of complaints about the high prices.
I am pretty happy about it now since Silkypico is being nice to us. :D
I have to admit that I was on the verge of quitting the game completely because Ourspark was acting so greedy but it seems pretty nice now since they are listening to the player feedback.

[silksilk]

see lies like silky's is whats making most people just leave fiesta lol, its cool though the amount of players now shows the drop of player count also. If there were changes in anything not just SC why would players be quiting on a daily basis.

$15-$12 is the cost of a p2p MMO, lol and its only buying you a leveling pack now, wheres the justice in that, now most would agree to pay this amount, but then wheres the customer service, ok lets say there was somewhat of customer service, where are the bug fixes, ok fine you didnt meet quota hence you couldnt afford the fixes for last year, but does that mean keep adding newer items to SC shop to increase sales? Ok fine you add new stuff so you can have more sales, but then how come buf fixes arent payed for.


its endless.

[lysol_attk]

Well i think they should just go ahead and make it p2p and give us the SC items in an npc store it would be a win win IMO. We would know what we were to pay every month and OS would know what they are going to make too. Win Win

Noooo it would lose way to many players, if you dont want sc items or think thier to expensive, dont get them lol play the game without no one is forcing you to buy things for fiesta

[prasss]

That's me. I'm on every day, but I can only level for a few hours on the weekends, usually only one of the days. I'm okay with this, and I don't mind leveling slowly. I used to be highly upset at the prices, because for me, it's not worth it to buy a lot of 30-day items.

Example: EXP Boost 100%
30 Day costs 15345
1 Day costs 1535

30 1 days = 46050. So, just buy the 30 day right?

Except, I only get to use it 4 days (about) in that 30 day period. If i buy 4 1 Day cards instead I spend only 6140, saving myself 9k SC and getting to use almost all of the card, rather than 15% of the card.

Overall, I still think most items are too expensive. As a result, I don't buy them. If you think something costs too much money, then don't buy it. If you are so outraged you feel the need complain, do so, but do not ask others to feel the same outrage.

Quoted.. not so special its the average post...

no-one needs 100% xp to have fun, only thing that is kinda needed at high level is teva if your not careful while lvling, anything ontop of that is bonus, with people saying it cost more than a p2p game.. to work at the best speed on p2p games u have to buy gold ontop of ur subscription fee, or you wont have the best kit/oppertunities to progress quickly much like buying sc.. so include the gold in ur calculations.

[silksilk]

Lol First of all buying gold in p2p game is illegal, and no you do not need to buy it to progress.

[bigj3234]

Lol First of all buying gold in p2p game is illegal, and no you do not need to buy it to progress.

Have you played *ALL* p2p games??? Surely there is at least one that allows it.

You do not ever NEED the Cash Shop here, that's how it's Free.