Why go 2H Sword? Look inside to clarify some things.

[lordalden]

While doing some recent studying, and number punching...I've found that, over a period of 13 seconds, a nameless weapon(at this point in time) Enhanced to +9, of the same level, and we'll assume the same bonus stats, will put out the damage listed below.

Again, these are unlisted weapons, but for the correct category, and all +9, and the testing is done over a period of 13 seconds(rounded up). The damage is assumed to be the maximum on the weapons stats for the purpose of testing.

Axe: 4851 damage over 13 seconds, doing 9 attacks.

2 Handed Sword: 3850 damage over 13 seconds, doing 10 attacks.

1 Handed Sword: 3000 damage over 13 seconds, doing 12 attacks.

Even if the Axe didn't do it's rounded up extra attack(leaving it at 8), it'd still inflict 4312,, which is still incredibly higher than the Two Handed Swords' damage.

So why use it? The damage is inferior, though the Aim is Marginally higher, and the Crit % is higher as well. I just can't see why the polls listed here pick 2 Handers over Axes, because the numbers just don't favor them, as the main discrepancy that tips anything to the 2 Hander can be solved with a cheap scroll that can be made from a weak levelled collector character.

[yangderox]

Axe: 4851 damage over 13 seconds, doing 9 attacks.

2 Handed Sword: 3850 damage over 13 seconds, doing 10 attacks.

1 Handed Sword: 3000 damage over 13 seconds, doing 12 attacks

are u sure? axe in 13secs hit 9times n 1handed in 13secs hit 12 times? diff in 3 times?

[Nerria]

Axe: 4851 damage over 13 seconds, doing 9 attacks.

2 Handed Sword: 3850 damage over 13 seconds, doing 10 attacks.

1 Handed Sword: 3000 damage over 13 seconds, doing 12 attacks

are u sure? axe in 13secs hit 9times n 1handed in 13secs hit 12 times? diff in 3 times?

Of course they have different times, that is what attack speed measures. Your rate of attacks per second. All weapon types have different kinds of attack speeds. (i.e Cleric mace 1.1, hammer 1.3)

[lordalden]

Of course they have different times, that is what attack speed measures. Your rate of attacks per second. All weapon types have different kinds of attack speeds. (i.e Cleric mace 1.1, hammer 1.3)

Precisely. So again, I'll say. Why go 2Handed Sword? It offers nothing greater to the table(like the monstrous added defense of a Shield when wearing a 1Handed sword, or the immense damage of an Axe). The only thing it offers is fixed by an ultra cheap and easy to get ahold of scroll.

[rapturedlife]

I would have to agree with lordalden's statistics and question why the 2h sword is chosen.

The only reason i would choose a 2h sword is because they're pretty ^_^
Other than that I wouldn't go near one.

[-Leona-]

Some people would go for a sword cuz it looks cooler, i have to admit u look infinetely much better with the 2h sword than with the axe YET i'm using an axe cuz is just to freakin strong :D.

Other people are to cheap to buy an aim 1 or aim 2 scroll so they prefer the sword for it's better accuracy. YET if u use power scroll, weilding a 2h sword is a big waste of time.

[Leedles]

Haha, I disagree - I think the axe looks MUCH cooler then the 2h sword. Atleast my GK axe looks better anyway :P Some of the axes look really ... dumb.

I honestly don't know why anyone would pick the 2h sword over the axe. I prefer the extra damage over looking "cooler". Meh, to each their own.

Thanks for the comparison, btw :)

[lordalden]

Some people would go for a sword cuz it looks cooler, i have to admit u look infinetely much better with the 2h sword than with the axe YET i'm using an axe cuz is just to freakin strong :D.

Other people are to cheap to buy an aim 1 or aim 2 scroll so they prefer the sword for it's better accuracy. YET if u use power scroll, weilding a 2h sword is a big waste of time.

You're telling me at max, 100c is hard to afford? O_o; Seriously, it takes 5 minutes to get that, and Leedles, you're welcome.

[AngellicDiety]

Well people dont really get the real power of an axe. Most fighters who arent in party's skill spam. Assuming this almost every fighter dishes out damage at the same rate. Now since an Axe has more power than any other weapon, its damage greatly amplifies the damage of the skill spam.

The only downfall to axes is their low aim. That can be countered by some accuracy scrolls but they really dont help when you get to places like the Forest of Slumber or Ancient Elvin woods with a plain [+5] level 40 axe. You need tier 2 aim or an axe with some Dexteirity bonus to be effective.

But, with all things considered, the Level 50 Chief Guard Axes are considerably more powerful than the 1-handed and 2-handed users. The dexterity stats on the Level 50 Chief Guard Halberds usually make up for the loss in aim.

[B3h3m0th2k7]

You're not taking frequent criticals into account.

[CloudZaber]

people probably choose swords over axes because when they see axe they think dumb lumberjacks, when they see sword they think actual warriors and stabbing and they look awesome.

[Kuydo]

people probably choose swords over axes because when they see axe they think dumb lumberjacks, when they see sword they think actual warriors and stabbing and they look awesome.

It true I have been cutting down a few trees in Uruga...But the waffles told me to do it! D:
Though I think people choose 2hand swords because of the fact they "look" strong just as you stated.

[Summit]

Now.. yes 2h Axe is good for SOME bulds not all.. the weapon you should wield is all on your build if you ask me..-shrugs- but thats my opinion

[lordalden]

Now.. yes 2h Axe is good for SOME bulds not all.. the weapon you should wield is all on your build if you ask me..-shrugs- but thats my opinion

Yes, that's true, but even then, there's only a few effective builds as of yet for Fighters. That being: Tank Build, Damage Dealer Build, Hybrid Build.

Of the three, only Tank relies solely on 1H Sword/Shield for defense, and only Damage Dealer relies solely on Axe for damage over time. Hybrid relies on both given the circumstance.

As for the poster regarding the Critical hit consideration, you're right, I didn't consider Criticals, and even then, in the most basic situation(being that Axes have higher Crit %'s than 2H Swords, thereby Criticalling more often), the Axe would take an even more demanding lead.

[AngellicDiety]

Now.. yes 2h Axe is good for SOME bulds not all.. the weapon you should wield is all on your build if you ask me..-shrugs- but thats my opinion

Thats true, however, a full-end fighter can still make effective use of an axe. He may not get the extra dmg bonus and crit bonus as those who pump SPR, and STR, but he still hits with the base damage of an axe, far superior than his 1-handed sword.

I use both 1,2-handed swords and axes, depending on what I need to do for the party. If your solo'ing there is no doubt that you need an axe. 1-handed swords are weaker than a clerics hammer and equal to a mace if not lower. You kill just as fast as a cleric with a 1-handed and you dont have any heals draining your sp-stones and money.

2-handed swords work, but just not as effectively as an axe due to the fact that most fighters just skillspam anyways.

[Balder]

And besides, your argument is waaay to situational. It was as if you naturally assumed you made a good point by using +9 weapons as you topic when we all know those things are rare to get by. Plus, you haven't implemented the fact that what kind of fighters are using the weapons(full end, full str, etc.)

So to me, you point is invalid. Srry :-(

[AngellicDiety]

And besides, your argument is waaay to situational. It was as if you naturally assumed you made a good point by using +9 weapons as you topic when we all know those things are rare to get by. Plus, you haven't implemented the fact that what kind of fighters are using the weapons(full end, full str, etc.)

So to me, you point is invalid. Srry :-(

Even regular base:

http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Weapons

Taking the stats of the lv.50 weapons.

1h sword: 146 dmg/1.1 seconds = 133 dmg/second
2h sword: 285 dmg/1.3 seconds = 219 dmg/second
Axe: 438 dmg/1.5 seconds = 292 dmg/second

Hence as far as damage over time is concerned its Axe > 2h Sword > 1h Sword.

Its simple math, apply it to any weapon group on that chart to make the comparison:

<Dmg> / <Time> = <DPTime>
<Dmg> / <Seconds> = <DPSecond>

So I'm afraid your point is rather invalid as well.

[bobking]

nah u both reasoning and mathcraft are a little of the scale.

1. You haven't consider the natural str increased per lvl + str from stat + str from equipment + free stat damge from str.
2. At low lvl these stat above i mentioned is insignificant, however at lvl 50 it would be huge.
3. So your mistake of calculate damge per second was not include the such stats in.
4. As for me i have calculated b4, at lvl 40 2h can start to out damage axe. (if and only if both weapon are to be hit normally. Since there is no delay time for skills, therefore spaming skills can make axe the best damager dealer weapon.)
5. That why, if duo with a cleric use 2h. Cos u'll be doing more normal hit than spam skill. If solo, str fighter tend to spam skills for faster mob kill, which then should use axe.
6. oh last thing, if ur weapon is +6 or more then wat i am saying above is all nonsense. Cos i didnt taken into account the bonus damage of a enhanced weapon, which kinda hard to obtain 1 at high lvl.

[AriesMehjor]

All of the weapons in this game for a warrior are useless unless you carry the right rings anyway.

Two handed swords are just as effecient as axes, that is, if you don't expect to miss while fighting an enemy.

I noticed that while trying to take out mobs that are far beyond your level, the axe misses almost everytime even with a power scroll.

Two handed sword misses less but still misses.

and the one hand, misses like 1 in every 3 strikes, like if you were fighting a harkan at lvl 26 in CP.

The difficulty comes in when the misses start to happen, and your character ends up getting hit 3 times before he connects with a final blow.

At the same time, I've noticed that they give either weapon like GGK or ZK stats that raise completely different sides of the character.

when hunting I go axe, its just faster to spam high attack skills than to wait.
When in a party and lacking a DD I usually go Two hand to keep away those nasty misses, cause like I said before, its like that last hit that no one in the party lands untill like three hits later. Better to be sure I drop em on time, than let them have the chance to waiste more of my hp, and SP, which is a precious resource to a War.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7872/thestrifede8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[AngellicDiety]

nah u both reasoning and mathcraft are a little of the scale.

1. You haven't consider the natural str increased per lvl + str from stat + str from equipment + free stat damge from str.
2. At low lvl these stat above i mentioned is insignificant, however at lvl 50 it would be huge.
3. So your mistake of calculate damge per second was not include the such stats in.
4. As for me i have calculated b4, at lvl 40 2h can start to out damage axe. (if and only if both weapon are to be hit normally. Since there is no delay time for skills, therefore spaming skills can make axe the best damager dealer weapon.)
5. That why, if duo with a cleric use 2h. Cos u'll be doing more normal hit than spam skill. If solo, str fighter tend to spam skills for faster mob kill, which then should use axe.
6. oh last thing, if ur weapon is +6 or more then wat i am saying above is all nonsense. Cos i didnt taken into account the bonus damage of a enhanced weapon, which kinda hard to obtain 1 at high lvl.

There is a flaw with some of your points.

1) If the fighter itself has natural STR SPR increases then all weapons equipped will have it applied. Your line of reasoning is under two different fighter conditions, which of course is not a fair testing ground as I could simply say my fighter has a better natural increase.

2) Special "green" items are not considered, however if you compare them on the same level meaning if all weapons had the same stats applied to them, e.x) Axe, 2h-sword, and 1h-sword have +x STR +y END +z DEX +w SPR, etc, then you have the same playing field in which case the axe outpowers the 2handed sword.

3) DPS doesn't need to include such stats in it, as I'm calculating a fair playing field. If you want to be ludacrisly unfair and just give the 2h GGK sword its stat boost, then I'll simply come back and present a ludacrisly overpowered GGK Axe or CG Axe...


You seem to be arguing under the fact that you have green items. But if you consider that if two green items had the same stats then Axe > 2handed > 1handed in terms of damage.

Otherwise, if you wish to argue about green items I can simply give an axe with stats that outperform your 2handed sword, as an example.

Levelled playingfield for comparison. If you want to compare green items, then all it becomes is a futile conflict between the one with the best stats.

[Tsujin]

Even regular base:

http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Weapons

Taking the stats of the lv.50 weapons.

1h sword: 146 dmg/1.1 seconds = 133 dmg/second
2h sword: 285 dmg/1.3 seconds = 219 dmg/second
Axe: 438 dmg/1.5 seconds = 292 dmg/second

Hence as far as damage over time is concerned its Axe > 2h Sword > 1h Sword.

Its simple math, apply it to any weapon group on that chart to make the comparison:

<Dmg> / <Time> = <DPTime>
<Dmg> / <Seconds> = <DPSecond>

So I'm afraid your point is rather invalid as well.


People make this same comparison with bows and xbows. Everyone keeps using the same equation for DPS with them too, which isn't wrong, but everyone plugs in the wrong damage. Try plugging in the numbers of how much damage the weapons actually do to mobs.

My point is that even though the weapon says that it does 150 more damage per hit, it probably only does about 40 actual damage more per hit. I'm not saying that 2h swords are better, I honestly don't know, I'm just saying find out what the real numbers are, then use your equations.

[AngellicDiety]

People make this same comparison with bows and xbows. Everyone keeps using the same equation for DPS with them too, which isn't wrong, but everyone plugs in the wrong damage. Try plugging in the numbers of how much damage the weapons actually do to mobs.

My point is that even though the weapon says that it does 150 more damage per hit, it probably only does about 40 actual damage more per hit. I'm not saying that 2h swords are better, I honestly don't know, I'm just saying find out what the real numbers are, then use your equations.

Those probably are the real numbers.

What people fail to understand is that that is the BASE damage with no consideration of defense, etc. This amount is multiplied by set ratio's depending on the level difference, and of course the defense stats, etc of the monster itself.

Furthermore, what people continue to fail to understand is, this base damage is equally affected by the same rates amongst all weapons considered equal. Your free stats and build applies to any weapon the same way as it would another. So if you have damage bonus or critical bonus it enhances all weapons equally with the exception of shield defense.

In any sort of mathematical analysis any sort of constant is eliminated in a ratio or comparison. Thus, your fighters free-stat and build do not apply based on the weapon. However green weapons can affect your builds, in which case it is only fair to compare green weapons that have the same increase in build stats. Otherwise as I said before there is nothing stopping me from getting an axe with way better stats than a 2-handed sword.

Since the ratio rate for level differences between monster and player, and strength to defense ratio's considered are equal no matter what weapon you equip (assuming levelled playing field) then the base damage is what is actually different about these weapons.

You can continuously make the argument that the damage on the weapon isn't actually the damage in game, and yes that is the truth to some extent. However the damage on the weapon is just multiplied by a series of ratio's to arrive at the final damage amount, and these ratios are kept constant if you take 3 weapons Axe, 1handed sword, and 2-handed sword of equal stature.

With all weapons being equal (non green, same enhancement, or green and same stats), in every case it will be Axe > 2-handed > 1-handed in damage per second, whether you decide to hit Ancient Stonies in the Forest of Slumber, or hit Slimes in roumen.

Of course people will have green weapons, in which case its just the weapon with better stats...

[Summit]

meh pointless arguement.. but with my build I still manage to drop orcs just as fast as those mighty Axe weilds with my lovely 1h.. this might be because Im hitting the orc faster thus my crits are procing more and my damage rate is going up faster..who knew hit rate also effected crit rate oh snaps I DID

[Onikasu]

Here is how I see it

Name Level Damage Aim Crit. Rate Att. Rate
Roumen Sword 20 26~44 67 3% 1.1
Steel Sword 20 61~87 60 4% 1.3
Steel Axe 20 96~134 53 5% 1.5
Broad Sword 15 19~33 50 3% 1.1


Notice the Axe level 20 does more damage then a Broad sword but only has 3 higher Hit% ?? It is hard enough to hit stuff at level 20+ with the Broad sword *until you buy a Roumen sword* I dont care how much damage and axe does, damage doesn't mean anything when your hits miss. And dont give me a "scroll buying" preach. I'm too poor for that, I saw some guy in Elderine trying to sell em for 400+ >_>.

Still, to buy them for such a price when they only last an hour, and they wear off IF you die. * this is assuming you are like me, and can not make scrolls for free* Just use a 2H or 1H+Shield and you will be tons richer and actually hit the broad side of a barn.

[Scadel]

i'll prolly stay 2h, doin 2.2k crits to orcs now with my sword, doubt any axe fighter can beat that :p

[jlrslo]

2.2 = maxed out orc license? (still a lot, what is that like add 60 perc?) today i crited for 1657 with an axe, with plus 15 perc for da orcs. anyway if you don't have a high license, i am very curious how the hell ya did 2.2 though nonetheless a vn crit.

-Lolz

[Summit]

2.2 = maxed out orc license? (still a lot, what is that like add 60 perc?) today i crited for 1657 with an axe, with plus 15 perc for da orcs. anyway if you don't have a high license, i am very curious how the hell ya did 2.2 though nonetheless a vn crit.

-Lolz

25 spr pure str and whats his lvl? you ever consider all this?

[jlrslo]

lolz, yep
my msg is to short so im typing more so it lets me post!

[Tasuke]

In my opinion..

Axes are terrible for parties. Why? Well, if you decided to use an Axe against high level mobs, there is no doubt you will miss. Since the Axe already has the worst aim out of the 3 Fighter weapons, it would be hard to use skills effectively (Missing with Devastate so no stunning and so on). Even with an Aim scroll, at higher levels, it doesn't help out too much unless you use T3 Aim.

Axes have a higher critical rate than a 2H sword because the Axe has a higher chance of missing. If you miss, let's say that's 200 dmg you just missed out. Let's say you miss 3 times. You just missed out on 600 damage. So the Higher critical rate makes up for the damage loss.

Axes are good for soloing, but for parties, 1H would be the best since they have the best aim and also you can use a shield.

2H Sword is in between. Parties or Solo.

Overall the Axe is a lot stronger, but it's a matter of preferance.

[jlrslo]

Aim really doesn't make that big of a difference as you'd think. The difference between lvl 50 axe and 2hs is about,30, or 18 percent roughly. Say using an axe you miss 20/100 times, or 20 perc, those 20 times you missed would both have an added 18 percent chance to hit. So roughly out of 100 attacks you'd hit 2 times more, or basically 2 percent DPS. 2 percent is nothing compared to the damage given by the axe over the 2hs, which is something like 25 percent. Of course it attacks maybe 12 percent slower, but that is less then it appears, as spamming skills will cut that down greatly. Personally I don't see how a 2HS can be better, though I keep seeing most everyone use one. If theres something I am missing feel free to correct, as I am not here to tell ppl what to do, but rather figure out which weapon is the best at killing stuffs faster.

[Summit]

Everyone says Axe is the way to go because it crits more well I dunno I use a 1h I crit just double what i do with an Axe seeing as Im hitting more often and at a faster pace

[lordalden]

Everyone says Axe is the way to go because it crits more well I dunno I use a 1h I crit just double what i do with an Axe seeing as Im hitting more often and at a faster pace

Yes, but the power of an Axe is roughly 3 times that of a 1H sword, and is only .4 seconds slower, meaning if you were similarly equipped with an axe(in both skillset and in equality of power in the axe by added stats, even if you dropped the axe's crit to match the 1H swords'), the Axe by FAR would overtake the 1H sword. The speed is meaningless if the 1H sword doesn't have the damage to boss around the Axe.

[Summit]

Yes, but the power of an Axe is roughly 3 times that of a 1H sword, and is only .4 seconds slower, meaning if you were similarly equipped with an axe(in both skillset and in equality of power in the axe by added stats, even if you dropped the axe's crit to match the 1H swords'), the Axe by FAR would overtake the 1H sword. The speed is meaningless if the 1H sword doesn't have the damage to boss around the Axe.
Both white weapons no bonus stats no + enhance
I'v spent 2 hours testing both weapons heres what i've gotten

Axe : High Damage Slow Hit Rate (Misses Highly W/out Accuracy)
(With Scroll only small contact seen and skills do not connect as much as 1h) My crit would proc 1 every 6 hits IF connecting hits that is

1 Hander : Low Damage Fast attack, reliable contacting hits with/w/out scroll, Crit procs 1-8 hits, but comparing to Axe Thats 2-1 hits over the axe's rate , crits dealing 250 less than 1h with my current build.

[-Leona-]

Both white weapons no bonus stats no + enhance
I'v spent 2 hours testing both weapons heres what i've gotten

Axe : High Damage Slow Hit Rate (Misses Highly W/out Accuracy)
(With Scroll only small contact seen and skills do not connect as much as 1h) My crit would proc 1 every 6 hits IF connecting hits that is

1 Hander : Low Damage Fast attack, reliable contacting hits with/w/out scroll, Crit procs 1-8 hits, but comparing to Axe Thats 2-1 hits over the axe's rate , crits dealing 250 less than 1h with my current build.


IF u go for an axe and u buy a tier 2 aim scroll u won't have to much problems hitting your opponents in uruga only pixies dodge from time to time (orcs are hit 95% of the time). In AEW, your hits miss sometimes like once every 5 times or so, same goes for FoS but with 4/5 hits connecting u will outmatch the 1h sword BY FAR (even without criticals---yet we all know a good build with a lil help from equip will make u crit the hell out of your enemy if u r using an axe), and u will also outmatch the 2h sword.

PS: Summit pls stay on subject this subject was about which is better out of 2h sword or Axe while all your posts seem to be related to how great your 1h sword is.

[Schwaabo]

Yes, i was looking at the crit %, aim, and the power of the 2h sword and the axe. :cool:

The lvl 20 2h sword, Steel Sword, stats go something like this: 61 ~ 87 dmg, 60 aim, 4% crit rate, 1.3 attack rate.

The lvl 20 axe, Steel Axe, stats go something like this: 96 ~ 134 dmg, 53 aim, 5% crit rate, 1.5 attack rate. :)

Just looking at that convinced me that i wanted to go with the axe. The aim of the axe is... less, and the attack rate will be hardly noticable. I will be hitting much higher, and my crit rate would also be higher than the 2h sword.

Knowing this, i would only ever choose between two swords. The 1h or the axe. But i'm not going to go into the 1h...

[Tsujin]

Those probably are the real numbers.

What people fail to understand is that that is the BASE damage with no consideration of defense, etc. This amount is multiplied by set ratio's depending on the level difference, and of course the defense stats, etc of the monster itself.

Furthermore, what people continue to fail to understand is, this base damage is equally affected by the same rates amongst all weapons considered equal. Your free stats and build applies to any weapon the same way as it would another. So if you have damage bonus or critical bonus it enhances all weapons equally with the exception of shield defense.

In any sort of mathematical analysis any sort of constant is eliminated in a ratio or comparison. Thus, your fighters free-stat and build do not apply based on the weapon. However green weapons can affect your builds, in which case it is only fair to compare green weapons that have the same increase in build stats. Otherwise as I said before there is nothing stopping me from getting an axe with way better stats than a 2-handed sword.

Since the ratio rate for level differences between monster and player, and strength to defense ratio's considered are equal no matter what weapon you equip (assuming levelled playing field) then the base damage is what is actually different about these weapons.

You can continuously make the argument that the damage on the weapon isn't actually the damage in game, and yes that is the truth to some extent. However the damage on the weapon is just multiplied by a series of ratio's to arrive at the final damage amount, and these ratios are kept constant if you take 3 weapons Axe, 1handed sword, and 2-handed sword of equal stature.

With all weapons being equal (non green, same enhancement, or green and same stats), in every case it will be Axe > 2-handed > 1-handed in damage per second, whether you decide to hit Ancient Stonies in the Forest of Slumber, or hit Slimes in roumen.

Of course people will have green weapons, in which case its just the weapon with better stats...

The ratio is not the same...because the difference in damage is not nearly what it says it is. I don't have any real numbers with swords, if anyone can find out the real damage difference then we can truly find out which one is better. But, I'll try to do the approximate amount. Now, with the damage that it says on the weapons, this is what I see(level 50 weapons)

Axe - 438 per hit and 1.5 attack speed 438 / 1.5 = 292 DPS
2-Hander - 287 per hit and 1.3 attack speed 287 / 1.3 = 220.8 DPS
Ratio = 292/220.8 = 1.322 Times better

Lets say the 2h sword does 140 actual damage per hit, and the axe does 180 actual damage per hit

Axe - 180 per hit and 1.5 attackspeed 180 / 1.5 = 120 DPS
2-hander - 140 per hit and 1.3 attackspeed 140 / 1.3 = 107.7 DPS
Ratio = 120/107.7 = 1.114 Times better

Now, with bows/xbows I've done tests to get the real numbers with the weapons at the same level, and non-enhanced, and proved that a normal bow can be better than an xbow, even though the damage on the xbow says it has over 100 more attack than the bow. This is because the damage difference between them is only really about 25, and the attack speed of the bow makes it surpass the xbow after about 9.8 seconds. I think it's about the same with these two weapons, but I just want someone to come and post some real numbers, and have real conclusive proof that Axes > 2-Handers.

[-Leona-]

Well actually with axes and swords it's not the same issue, i can tell i was partied with a friend we were both same level he has more str than me (we were both level 43 or close to that). He had a more advanced sword than me (by more advanced i mean his sword was +6 while my axe was only +4. We were killing gobs for fun in GC and he was hiting them for around 40-60 points of damage less (not counting criticals and both weapons were normal)

[Schwaabo]

Im just gonna do some real simple math here and see what i get. I am going to say that each weapon has 20 seconds to deal as much damage as possible. Take the average damage, and number of hits, combine all that and determine roughly how much damage you would do with either weapon in 20 seconds.

20 seconds for the lvl 20 2h sword:

Attack rate is 1.3, 20 divided by 1.3 = 15.38(roughly)

The dmg of the 2h is between 61 and 87. So lets take a average of what you would normally hit with the 2h. You would, by the average, hit around a 74.

Now, lets take the average and multiply it by the number of hits. We get a grand total of 1138.12. So within 20 seconds you can roughly hit about 1138.12 damage with the 2h.


20 seconds for the lvl 20 axe:

I am now going to do the same thing with the axe.

The attack rate is 1.5, 20 divided by 1.5 = 13.33(roughly)

The damage for the axe is 96 ~ 134. The average dmg would be 115.

Now, time for the average times the number of hits. With that we get 1532.95 dmg roughly. Within that 20 seconds you can hit 1532.95 damage.

So, if your battle lasts for around 20 seconds, you can hit 394.83 more damage with your axe.

Now, one major problem with what i just did, is that i did not inlcude anything for the potential misses that might happen. Ya, i know... That could be a big part in a longer battle. But, i don't think it woudl be anough to make the 2h hit more than the axe. The 2h still misses, just less than the axe does. But, since the axe hits less, that would also give it less chances to miss, right? Unfortunatly that also means if you miss with your one attack with your axe... then your damage would drop a fair bit.

Anyways thats some real simple math on it, i dunno, but i like my simple math... and a axe :D

[Tsujin]

Well actually with axes and swords it's not the same issue, i can tell i was partied with a friend we were both same level he has more str than me (we were both level 43 or close to that). He had a more advanced sword than me (by more advanced i mean his sword was +6 while my axe was only +4. We were killing gobs for fun in GC and he was hiting them for around 40-60 points of damage less (not counting criticals and both weapons were normal)

40-60 less? How much damage do you do to them? At 43, I think gobs are green, right? That just seems like a huge difference. Just curious how much damage you actually do to them.

[Alones]

Because, deep down, we all want to be Gattsu. Or [Insert spikey-haired hero's name here].

[Tackey]

2.2 = maxed out orc license? (still a lot, what is that like add 60 perc?) today i crited for 1657 with an axe, with plus 15 perc for da orcs. anyway if you don't have a high license, i am very curious how the hell ya did 2.2 though nonetheless a vn crit.

-Lolz

i'm a 25spr pure str build, no lic on my sword lol. i'm using full green and +9 sword with eld rings, maybe thats how. i just did another new record 2296 :D

lvl 52 btw.

Edit: posted with wrong acc, Seva here

[jlrslo]

Wow nice, with vital id probably only crit 2050-2100 area. I wonder if im lacking something serious ; O Whats your strength at lol? Mines 249 + 22. Hmm you must have some crazy str.

[Summit]

IF u go for an axe and u buy a tier 2 aim scroll u won't have to much problems hitting your opponents in uruga only pixies dodge from time to time (orcs are hit 95% of the time). In AEW, your hits miss sometimes like once every 5 times or so, same goes for FoS but with 4/5 hits connecting u will outmatch the 1h sword BY FAR (even without criticals---yet we all know a good build with a lil help from equip will make u crit the hell out of your enemy if u r using an axe), and u will also outmatch the 2h sword.

PS: Summit pls stay on subject this subject was about which is better out of 2h sword or Axe while all your posts seem to be related to how great your 1h sword is.

-shrugs- if you cant take outside critisism dont reply to my posts... hypocrit.

[Tackey]

Wow nice, with vital id probably only crit 2050-2100 area. I wonder if im lacking something serious ; O Whats your strength at lol? Mines 249 + 22. Hmm you must have some crazy str.

352+ 27 lol

[jlrslo]

Hmm show me your weapon plz next time I see you. I got a cg axe plus 7. Would think with similar strength id be able to out damage you, instead of being about equal. Bah...... back to work; O

[Tackey]

i'm using a +9 ggk lol

[jlrslo]

Ya its a vn weapon for sure, would think a CG Axe plus 7 would out dmg? Maybe not

[jlrslo]

Maybe theres some kind of a cap? shrug

[Tackey]

show me your axe one day. whats your ign?

[jlrslo]

Lolz

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[dericcyk]

Seva, i hope you don't mind if i ask, i'm also making a 25 spr then pure str fighter, what's the best way to go about the weapons? i'm not sure of axes or 1hand sword + shield. please advice. Thanks

[Scadel]

Seva, i hope you don't mind if i ask, i'm also making a 25 spr then pure str fighter, what's the best way to go about the weapons? i'm not sure of axes or 1hand sword + shield. please advice. Thanks

DONT ADD SPR. I REGRET IT LOL

Only add spr when you can do a constant 800 damage to justify for the spr.

PURE STR!

As for weapons, My personal favourite is the 2 hander as its moderately balanced. Axes are pretty good too but slow as hell.

Screww the shields and 1h those are for end builds :p