Poll: Which is better Guardian or HolyKnight? HELP!

[preetykitty]

Ok I want to know which one is better. I am a lvl 87 cleric and have time but I am wanting to know which class is better, as well as in the long run mostly. I would like to know everyones outlook on this. So please let me know what u think cuz I dont know which to chose. So hopefully everyon can help me with this decision. Thanks all. I will check thread later.
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Guardian- Why? or why not?

HolyKnight- Why? or why not?

[karvaj]

Gladiator!!!!!!!

[preetykitty]

lol sissy. Im talkin about for clerics x.x

[karvaj]

Warlock then D<.

[roonthehax]

Oh clerics.
Combat Medic!

[karvaj]

lmfao, its either way HK as in killing soloing stuff or the other class I dun even know is for support and healings you choose behbeh

[koaraii]

I say we send in a petition to OS for ughm a class change SC item. c:

Because Warlocks are so win. ;.;

They can change into a birdie and fly around.

Psshh, oh so you Wizards can summon skeletons on fire? Ohh lookie, I'm already flying in the air. Ashame Skeletons can't fly. Q-Q; !

-End rant-

[Xylvion]

guardian cause we'll need more of thoose ;c

[Roseanna]

This is a long-debated decision, and really comes down to your preferences and playstyle and how you'd like to be playing when you're level 120 or 150.

Holy Knight: Protect, endure, bash upgrades and crit buff gained. Can also dispel buffs (like scrolls) in pvp, all buffs single-target and one random buff aoe around you. Does not get a hp boost at class change.

Pros: Protect will continue to upgrade, adding defense to your party and damage to you. Bash upgrades add damage to you. Endure upgrades allow you to raise your party's hp. Crit buff allows you to make your party kill faster. Your dispel makes you majorly annoying and expense-causing in pvp.

Cons: While you can increase party members' hp, your heal and rejuv will never upgrade. What's the use of upping hp amount without upping your heal? Gears will continue to get better, hp will continue to rise. Remember the old days before we had level 60+ heals, and we couldn't keep up? You'll be able to increase your party's defense, so they'll take some less damage... but enough to never again upgrade heal or rejuv? Is increasing your damage and having a fun crit buff worth that? To some people it is, to some people it's not. Oh and, may I add that everyone (including guardians and their parties) will be begging you for buffs.

Guardian: Heal and rejuv upgrade. Bash, protect, and endure do not. Rebirth skill gained, the target automatically revives upon death. Dispel is the same as above (I think?), but with curses instead of buffs. I don't know the hp boost at class change, what is it? 300, 500, something like that?

Pros: Get rebirth on you and the main tank, and no problems with losing the spot. Mage dies? Mage can be up before the mobs die, no more mage dies then the mobs die right on top of them. You're the only healer and you die? You're up right away. You're soloing a quest in a hard place to get to? No worries about dying and ending up in Uruga if nobody's around to rez you. Heal and rejuv continue to upgrade.

Cons: You and your party, if they want the higher tier endure, have to go beg it from a holy knight. Your protect doesn't upgrade, so unless you have a HK in the party, their hp and your heals go up while the defense buff does not. Bash doesn't upgrade, so soloing is made more difficult than it already is... but do you ever solo anyway? Endure doesn't upgrade, but do you really want to increase your party member's hp without heal/rejuv upgrades? You miss out on the crit buff, it looks fun - but is it worth giving up guardian for? For some people it is, for some people it's not.

[Asmodejjj]

HK > Guardian

Guardians get only Rejuv + Heal, HK's get 5 skills to themselves. Also, that crit buff? You'll be begged to join every party, and will be god of pvp ;)

[karvaj]

This is a long-debated decision, and really comes down to your preferences and playstyle and how you'd like to be playing when you're level 120 or 150.

Holy Knight: Protect, endure, bash upgrades and crit buff gained. Can also dispel buffs (like scrolls) in pvp, all buffs single-target and one random buff aoe around you. Does not get a hp boost at class change.

Pros: Protect will continue to upgrade, adding defense to your party and damage to you. Bash upgrades add damage to you. Endure upgrades allow you to raise your party's hp. Crit buff allows you to make your party kill faster. Your dispel makes you majorly annoying and expense-causing in pvp.

Cons: While you can increase party members' hp, your heal and rejuv will never upgrade. What's the use of upping hp amount without upping your heal? Gears will continue to get better, hp will continue to rise. Remember the old days before we had level 60+ heals, and we couldn't keep up? You'll be able to increase your party's defense, so they'll take some less damage... but enough to never again upgrade heal or rejuv? Is increasing your damage and having a fun crit buff worth that? To some people it is, to some people it's not. Oh and, may I add that everyone (including guardians and their parties) will be begging you for buffs.

Guardian: Heal and rejuv upgrade. Bash, protect, and endure do not. Rebirth skill gained, the target automatically revives upon death. Dispel is the same as above (I think?), but with curses instead of buffs. I don't know the hp boost at class change, what is it? 300, 500, something like that?

Pros: Get rebirth on you and the main tank, and no problems with losing the spot. Mage dies? Mage can be up before the mobs die, no more mage dies then the mobs die right on top of them. You're the only healer and you die? You're up right away. You're soloing a quest in a hard place to get to? No worries about dying and ending up in Uruga if nobody's around to rez you. Heal and rejuv continue to upgrade.

Cons: You and your party, if they want the higher tier endure, have to go beg it from a holy knight. Your protect doesn't upgrade, so unless you have a HK in the party, their hp and your heals go up while the defense buff does not. Bash doesn't upgrade, so soloing is made more difficult than it already is... but do you ever solo anyway? Endure doesn't upgrade, but do you really want to increase your party member's hp without heal/rejuv upgrades? You miss out on the crit buff, it looks fun - but is it worth giving up guardian for? For some people it is, for some people it's not.
whats wrong with you D< she asked for an answer knight or guardian not a monolog o.e;

[xogeley]

This is a long-debated decision, and really comes down to your preferences and playstyle and how you'd like to be playing when you're level 120 or 150.

Holy Knight: Protect, endure, bash upgrades and crit buff gained. Can also dispel buffs (like scrolls) in pvp, all buffs single-target and one random buff aoe around you. Does not get a hp boost at class change.

Pros: Protect will continue to upgrade, adding defense to your party and damage to you. Bash upgrades add damage to you. Endure upgrades allow you to raise your party's hp. Crit buff allows you to make your party kill faster. Your dispel makes you majorly annoying and expense-causing in pvp.

Cons: While you can increase party members' hp, your heal and rejuv will never upgrade. What's the use of upping hp amount without upping your heal? Gears will continue to get better, hp will continue to rise. Remember the old days before we had level 60+ heals, and we couldn't keep up? You'll be able to increase your party's defense, so they'll take some less damage... but enough to never again upgrade heal or rejuv? Is increasing your damage and having a fun crit buff worth that? To some people it is, to some people it's not. Oh and, may I add that everyone (including guardians and their parties) will be begging you for buffs.

Guardian: Heal and rejuv upgrade. Bash, protect, and endure do not. Rebirth skill gained, the target automatically revives upon death. Dispel is the same as above (I think?), but with curses instead of buffs. I don't know the hp boost at class change, what is it? 300, 500, something like that?

Pros: Get rebirth on you and the main tank, and no problems with losing the spot. Mage dies? Mage can be up before the mobs die, no more mage dies then the mobs die right on top of them. You're the only healer and you die? You're up right away. You're soloing a quest in a hard place to get to? No worries about dying and ending up in Uruga if nobody's around to rez you. Heal and rejuv continue to upgrade.

Cons: You and your party, if they want the higher tier endure, have to go beg it from a holy knight. Your protect doesn't upgrade, so unless you have a HK in the party, their hp and your heals go up while the defense buff does not. Bash doesn't upgrade, so soloing is made more difficult than it already is... but do you ever solo anyway? Endure doesn't upgrade, but do you really want to increase your party member's hp without heal/rejuv upgrades? You miss out on the crit buff, it looks fun - but is it worth giving up guardian for? For some people it is, for some people it's not.

I loved that answer, I didn't even think about the not-losing-your-spot thing O:

When I played Cleric I wanted to go Guardian O: HolyKnight.. seems more independent and I never ever solo'ed xD And partying in DT a couple times convinced me that upgraded Heal/Rejuv is really helpful x.x And HolyKnights would need to spam heal eventually xD

But I quit cleric so o.o xD

[pokemon4955]

HolyKnight is popular this cap raise.But later when cap is high such as 120 or 135,there is just no way a HolyKnight can withstand the heal of 28xx and 46xx rejuvenate for a full party.So I guess from my perspective Guardian will be more wanted in grinding party later in the future and leaving HK behind.Though the possibility that maybe both type of clerics will be in a grinding party.Maybe one for heals and one for higher pt buff and endure?But we will see when cap raise!!

Soo bottom line.If you are planning to play Fiesta for awhile and want to be in an effective grinding,choose Guardian.If you are not planning to play that long,then go with the fun and choose HK

But i say if i can redo it again I chose Guardian for ones u can have 600hp and as for the HK getting endure buff only after 100..well Guardian can just ask HK for a buff anytime.And that rebirth is very awesome its like u can just cast it on urself when you think you are about to die thus saving ur pt when u die n rev back n u can rev them when mobs gone o.o and yea...28xx heals n 46xx rejuvenate for hk perm,i dont think even the best hk can withstand supporting all full pt including the hk itself be healed o.o

Okay..

Guardian
Dispel Field Get from merchant nina skill-Remove one of your debuff,1min cd,this is self castable.

Dispel Pillar -Removes all of debuffs to a single friendly target, 5mins cd

This skill works with stiffle and slow travel speed and other curses.

Rebirth -Cast yourself/friendly 5mins duration of rebirth.When you die, a revive message will appear.1min and 30secs cd.

HolyKnight
Purification Get from merchant nina skill -Remove randomly one buff out of many surrounding targets in your range. 2mins cd

Dispel Purge -Remove all of buffs to a single enemy target. 3mins cd
So basically.. Guardian gets 2 dispel skill for debuffs while HK gets two purge skills for pvp.

Deadly Blessing 1min cd,cast a 100% critical at your friend target,10secs duration.

Benediction learned by both classess,another offensive attack that have the same animation like invigorate except the circle star lmao


Now..Rejuvenate and Heal can only learn by Guardian after 100.
Protect(def/dmg pt buff)/bash/endure(hp/sp buff) can only learn by Holy Knight after 100.

From my perspective, lvl 101 protect is good,after that,the upgrade is only by 35-50def more. Lvl 91 protect gives 270def while 101 protect gives 360defs,thats good right?But after 101..the upgrade is 104def increase only total for 395 or so.But it buiilds up more def as the more u get.While heals starting to upgrade by every 4lvls or so..rejuvenate like 4 or so..but yea...the upgradeliciousness of the heal n rejuvenate is very effective in grinding party.

Guardian gets 600hp boost at lvl 100.
HolyKnight gets...str boost at lvl 100 >.>;;....


..if you want to destroy your healing ability and low chance of getting grinding party when cap 130 or so,be me,and get those two delicious purges that u can annoy people in gw if they scrolled up,go for Holy Knight
..but if you want to stil get the title best cleric when it comes to healing and want to make sure to get an effective grinding party in the future,go for Guardian
..or..u can just stay cleric and get the title High Cleric :D lmao

Hopes this post makes u decide more better kittie :3

[Asmodejjj]

You're saying all that in defense of Guardians, yet I see you're an HK yourself........?


All the heals aren't so important, if you'll notice, there's only a minimum upgrade on them every time. Rather, increase your buffs, you'll be wanted in every party :)

[karvaj]

he went for HK for the 100% crit thing .-.

[pokemon4955]

You're saying all that in defense of Guardians, yet I see you're an HK yourself........?



..if you want to destroy your healing ability and low chance of getting grinding party when cap 130 or so,be me,and get those two delicious purges that u can annoy people in gw if they scrolled up,go for Holy Knight


does that answer ur question -.-

@sissy n yes lol that too lmao ,though if i was patience enough,i would see if which class gets what boost,if guardian gets hp i would totally go for there xD but eh

[nilathiel]

Guardian for me, mom. :) Lantessa is going Holy Knight. It's really your choice.

[xogeley]

Honestly I'd rather have a really good healer in my party then higher defense.. ._.
With a good tank it wouldn't be a huge problem, but with a mage that pulls a lot of aggro off the tank uhhh have fun HKs D: hope you have epic clicking/F1234 abilities

[Xylvion]

You're saying all that in defense of Guardians, yet I see you're an HK yourself........?


All the heals aren't so important, if you'll notice, there's only a minimum upgrade on them every time. Rather, increase your buffs, you'll be wanted in every party :)

what happens when everyone got 20k hp and HK's heals 3.3k and guardians heals 8k? >.>

[Roseanna]

whats wrong with you D< she asked for an answer knight or guardian not a monolog o.e;
I explained both sides to let her pick her own answer for her own character. Who am I to tell someone else what to do?

You're saying all that in defense of Guardians, yet I see you're an HK yourself........?
I'll be going HK. That doesn't mean I don't see how good/useful guardians are, and will be come future cap raises. It just means I don't wanna be one myself.

[karvaj]

I explained both sides to let her pick her own answer for her own character. Who am I to tell someone else what to do?



a god.........

[preetykitty]

Well I love EVERYONES opinion on this topic and cant wait to hear others as well.

But see one thing....

I love grinding partys BUT I love pvp. I am both thats the problem im havein to decide on who to be.


I love what everyone has put up and its helpful but yet SO HARD to decide still

Im glad I have more time to decide to chose.

I want this thread to keep going because I want MORE opinions on this topic.

Thank you for everyone that has posted their opinion. Its MUCH appreciated.

I cant wait to hear more!

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[karvaj]

1 thing.. cleric is NOT pvp class

[Xylvion]

HK's is sissy and full str clerics is scary ;c

[karvaj]

full str cleric with helga wep <.<.. yeh

[preetykitty]

lmao so true

[purpleronnie]

if u never upgrade atk skill (like me..LMAO lvl 0 trip and bleed) go guardian LMFAO
and correction to Jerry's info..guardian do get benediction too :P

as guardian myself...(ill tell u the experience of being 1)
* im jealous of HK hp/sp buff really..its annoying me to ask em for buff lol
* the crit buff is so awesomesauces..!!
* pty def/dmg buff is good..but im not too concern on losing it rofl

PRO of being guardian :

with REBIRTH, u can instantly wake up from dead and heal back ur pty w/o need to run back especially when u grind at far far away map like Temple of Spirit...or doing Helga Raid. It really helps especially if u cast to squishy mage, coz they usually died b4 all mob dead and by the time mob dead they still on the floor waiting for rez and missed the massive exp..instant rev from rebirth helps em to get exp and not missed it thou they died earlier..

in pvp esp pvp kq..if u have rebirth, and u get pawned with the opponent left like 100 hp, u can just come back and whack em to dead without need to spawn and look for him/her again..coz by the time u found him/her their hp wil prolly fulled lol...

with DISPEL PILLAR, in pvp u can debuff stifle (most important element that annoys us if u fighting mages)..ppl might say u dont need this skill coz mage already has dispel, they can just dispel u..but u wont always be with mage and mage's job not just to dispel lmao

DISPEL FIELD bugged atm...not working so yea.... *sigh*

BENEDICTION, just another fancy skill..i dont really need it coz i barely fighting...unless...getting free kill in pvp kq LMFAO

for ADVANCE/UPGRADE SKILL :

Heal/Rejuv is a great help esp when cap is 120 and more...if u ptying a lot and being a fulll support cleric..u dont wanna end up healing ppl with 20k hp using 2k+ heals and 4k+ rejuv D:
i bet you experienced the hassle of having lvl 7 heal at 79 capped when heal didnt get upgraded..u cant catch up in TR..but now..1 cleric can heal whole pty in TR..last time..its hard to be the only 1 cleric in full TR pty..with cheap asss heal..ppl need to spam stones

HP BOOST : say yess to hp boost lol! 6k hp natural

*ill add more if i figure out interesting point for being guardian

[FlaredanceR]

You're saying all that in defense of Guardians, yet I see you're an HK yourself........?


All the heals aren't so important, if you'll notice, there's only a minimum upgrade on them every time. Rather, increase your buffs, you'll be wanted in every party :)

But what good are buffs if your heals fail? >.o When the cap goes up, you'll see what I mean. And just cuz you can buff better doesn't mean you'll get a party... people will just run up, "buff plz (or plis, pls, pl0x or any other variation of the word)" and leave. Sure, the crit thing seems awsome, but its what, 10 sec duration? Same as invince, Which isn't that effective outside of KQ's imo. And yes, maybe there are only minor increases in the heals, but that could make all the difference in an AoE or w/e.
As you can tell I say Guardian all the way >.> I don't mean to be rude, I just needed to unwind somehow, and that was just what I needed :)

[pokemon4955]

correction to Jerry's info..guardian do get benediction too :


Benediction learned by both classess,another offensive attack that have the same animation like invigorate except the circle star lmao


u fail bby :c

[joecracker]

if your a heal bot go G if you like to kick some tail go HK

i will be going for HK myself as we have a few in the guild and they love it

i wish they would have made hammer hk and mace G

[preetykitty]

well im both joe so thats like really complicated for me x.x

and yea i use hammer only x.x so yea idk lmao... i could always buy skills and what not... but.... idk we will see.

Keep the posts comin everyone i am lovin the answers. <3

[Xylvion]

ugh im going G but I hate hammers Q.Q
well if I dont need a hammer for the skills ill keep on using a mace as long as possible anyways 8D

[karvaj]

guardians ARE the clerics. if your a cleric then atleast continue your job <..<

[Asmodejjj]

what happens when everyone got 20k hp and HK's heals 3.3k and guardians heals 8k? >.>

Then maybe the HK will start popping Rejuv's instead of heals? The difference isn't that large, stop exaggerating.

I explained both sides to let her pick her own answer for her own character. Who am I to tell someone else what to do?


I'll be going HK. That doesn't mean I don't see how good/useful guardians are, and will be come future cap raises. It just means I don't wanna be one myself.

That wasn't directed at you :3

1 thing.. cleric is NOT pvp class

Wrong..........it IS a pvp class, albeit 2nd weakest. We're at least better than archers xD

But what good are buffs if your heals fail? >.o When the cap goes up, you'll see what I mean. And just cuz you can buff better doesn't mean you'll get a party... people will just run up, "buff plz (or plis, pls, pl0x or any other variation of the word)" and leave. Sure, the crit thing seems awsome, but its what, 10 sec duration? Same as invince, Which isn't that effective outside of KQ's imo. And yes, maybe there are only minor increases in the heals, but that could make all the difference in an AoE or w/e.
As you can tell I say Guardian all the way >.> I don't mean to be rude, I just needed to unwind somehow, and that was just what I needed :)

Yeah, somehow I see 5 HK skills beating the minor upgrades of Guardian heals. But hey, only been here for 2 years + have a cleric + spend my day around HK and Guardians, what would I know, right?

[karvaj]

why would cleric beat archers in pvps o.o clerics are in game to HEAL and not to attack, if your attacking example GH with a party as a cleric and let them die you fail much o.o

[Icetra]

I've always been a person that always went for the 'purpose'.

If I remember correctly, Clerics are mainly used for healing, not in the ways of combat. At least, not like Fighters. So their sole purpose is to be used in support.

So normally I would pick a Guardian, since it...basically describes a Cleric's job. >.o

I know nothing of a Holy Knight or Guardian's skills, so you can just let this opinion be on the ignore list.

[Thasmudyan]

The choice is basically between Heal, Rejuvenate, and Rebirth (Guardian) vs. Bash, Endure, Protect, and Deadly Blessing (HK).

There isn't much difference in damage output between mace and hammer, the dispels are only situationally useful, and all other skills are shared.

Basically how it works out is, Guardians are the specialist character - they get better at the cleric's primary role, healing. Holy Knights are the more versatile "hybrid" character, able to heal, buff, and do single target damage (and there are places where this is useful, trust me).

Right now Holy Knight is the popular pick because Guardians get only one heal upgrade this cap raise, so there's very little difference healing-wise. And HKs are fun. They get more of the "sexy" skills (big Endure, crit buff), while Guardians get only mundane heal upgrades and an auto-revive. So, while a lot of people support Guardians, and encourage people to go Guardian, people who are actually hitting 100 don't want to PLAY Guardians because they aren't as interesting (and probably also because people stereotype clerics negatively as "heal-bot" and Holy Knight allows people to break that mold a bit).

However, a cap raise or two down the road, I think you'll see people starting to really prefer Guardians in parties, and adding HKs only when they want a second cleric or if they can't find a Guardian. Those extra heals might not matter now, but they will start to at levels 110, 115, 120, and beyond.

I went HK knowing full well that this may happen in the future. I enjoy soloing on my cleric, and I didn't want to give up Bash upgrades. Deadly Blessing is nice to add a bit of burst damage when I need it too, and it is also useful in mage duos (crit buff the mage, watch things die). However, with the amount of crit most 100+ people have in gear and SC items, this skill is hardly a must have.

Just my thoughts..

[Asmodejjj]

why would cleric beat archers in pvps o.o clerics are in game to HEAL and not to attack, if your attacking example GH with a party as a cleric and let them die you fail much o.o

We have superior defense & attack (no joke), can dispell poisons, and besides, unless you're full +9, you're squishy as mages :3

I've always been a person that always went for the 'purpose'.

If I remember correctly, Clerics are mainly used for healing, not in the ways of combat. At least, not like Fighters. So their sole purpose is to be used in support.

So normally I would pick a Guardian, since it...basically describes a Cleric's job. >.o

I know nothing of a Holy Knight or Guardian's skills, so you can just let this opinion be on the ignore list.

And is not the purpose of a cleric to buff the party and passively help? Just a side observation, but I believe that both fit this role well.

[pokemon4955]

im prettttttttty sure they soon release prestige class coupon change,they released a gender,and beauty coupon change,guild name,guild status,so why wouldnt they

loool this is how i made my decision,if you are planning to play fiesta for a long long time,go pick guardian for more chance in grinding pt xD if you just visiting fiesta n log in once in a while n not grind much,go for the fun n ruin ur cleric ability n click hk xD. As u can see -cough- lmao been 101 for 3months so i pretty much done grinding on my cleric xD

[Yuyko]

Asmodejjj you should go make a fighter and play that.

[Asmodejjj]

Why? Pvp is their forte, and that's not the point of the game............I'm a unique cleric, and if you don't like, what do I care?

[Yuyko]

Oh I can see that you don't care. :rolleyes:

I was just thinking about the poor people you party with.


Wanna be original... make a int cleric and run around naked killing stuff at lvl 100..

I think that would be more original than a pure STR cleric that doesn't like to heal. Seen many of those. :O

[Asmodejjj]

I'm not pure STR ;)

If you don't know what you're talking about, perhaps you're better off discussing how you can stop making random posts that have nothing to do with the thread itself. I'm not responding to your spam anymore, you can PM so I can ignore you there.

Back on topic: it's your choice, but HK ftw! :D

[Yuyko]

Oh, excuse me mister perfect.

Ok, not beeing off topic anymore although that stuff did had to do with the thread and spam do means short possibly annoying message (oh, yea I think it was for you).. So.. sorry?

I'd go guardian if I wouldn't be so lazy to actualy play my cleric. Since they got getter heals and stuff o.o and that's what cleric are suposed to do.. since I don't see clerics soloing at lvl 100 I think guardian would be my choice.

[Roseanna]

I think that would be more original than a pure STR cleric that doesn't like to heal. Seen many of those. :O
Build in no way effects healing ability. Skill points, lag, and how they decide to work their heal chain does. You could have a full str or dex or whatever cleric that does a kick-butt job healing and not even know it. Unless you ask "ohai, whut's your build?" before partying a cleric each and every time. Which I'm betting you don't.

[preetykitty]

OH THIS IS NOT A FLAME THREAD! so please dont get this thread closed x.x

I have seen some more answers that I have liked.

Yet again Its still hard. I mean Im a support cleric i love my healing but yet again i love my pvp.

So yea im both. They should come out with a change so that way if u dont like HK or G u can always switch.

And to be honest I would only turn HK for one reason. Wont tell on here sorry. lmao

But please keep the flame down a lil and more answers!!!! <333

[Yuyko]

Build in no way effects healing ability. Skill points, lag, and how they decide to work their heal chain does. You could have a full str or dex or whatever cleric that does a kick-butt job healing and not even know it. Unless you ask "ohai, whut's your build?" before partying a cleric each and every time. Which I'm betting you don't.

I did said that doesn't like to heal.

And about the pure STR I was just sugesting.... my opinion... that the build in case isn't ment for a cleric.

[Roseanna]

Edit:
I did said that doesn't like to heal.

And about the pure STR I was just sugesting.... my opinion... that the build in case isn't ment for a cleric.
Just because they don't like to heal, doesn't mean that they won't do it. There's situations where a cleric has to heal, like kq or raids or parties to get faster exp when they're bored. They might not like it, but they do it anyway, and they do it well. Some of em do, some of em don't. Can't really generalize.

That's a great opinion, but it doesn't mean you can stereotype or tell others what to do or how to play. Full end fighters are for some, full str for others. Same goes for clerics. Anyone can play however the heck they want to... it's a game, afterall.

Back on subject:
They should come out with a change so that way if u dont like HK or G u can always switch.
I've been guessing since the start that they'll come out with a "prestige class change pill." I mean, you can change everything from gender to guild war status. And it'd only be fair, since we're making a decision for the next 50 levels based on only 5 levels worth of information. Plus, none of us are sure how this will work out. This class change was supposed to be 120, we're getting it at 100. That means HKs are missing out on 20 levels worth of heals that the game is designed to have included. How much will that mess things up? Who knows.

[preetykitty]

Yea that would be nice if they would do that....

But come on now, were talkin about OS.... Sorry OS dont take offense to it

[pokemon4955]

That means HKs are missing out on 20 levels worth of heals that the game is designed to have included. How much will that mess things up? Who knows.

omfg tempy ur so right...so like hk missed 20 damn lvl of heals..roflmao that sucks._.

the chance of os will release prestige class change pill in the future is 50% or so since...the more sc they make...the more customers buy lmao so why not make a 50k for a pill that be a profit for them ,so i think they will release it..eventually.-.

[Roseanna]

Yea that would be nice if they would do that....

But come on now, were talkin about OS.... Sorry OS dont take offense to it
xD OS is greedy, they'll take any chance to make money that they can get. If they could charge unhappy level 100's 30 bucks to change prestige class, I bet they would. They did it to unhappy guild masters.

omfg tempy ur so right...so like hk missed 20 damn lvl of heals..roflmao that sucks._.
I don't know, maybe they nerf mobs or up our hp or... something... compared to other versions. But I don't think so, considering how impossible it is to grind in AR uncharmed. If the next mobs are considerably harder, like AR mobs are for us now... imagine healing parties taking that kind of damage, with the heals we have now? Especially when HP amount goes up. Fun fun. xD

[preetykitty]

Well thanks again to all the helpful answers. Its so appreciated.

Yet its still the hardest decision lol.

Come on ppl more opinions!!!! <333

Just dont flame please x.x

[preetykitty]

Yea thats crazy -stops buyin sc- pffft yea right lmao

OS has it made.

[sparky_69]

-Stalks- HK is better. c:

GL Kitteh <3!~

[Thasmudyan]

Regarding pvp and prestige classes:

Guardian will still be viable in pvp. They have the advantage of being able to cure stifle with their dispels. Sure the HK can dispel people's scrolls, but... I really don't see many people running around scrolled up in pvp lately.

If you're talking about dishing damage, a STR Guardian could still lay a reasonable smack down on people. And their HP bonus will help them survive through stun and fear.

Crit buff is nice for pvp though. However, from my experience most people will just run from me until its duration expires (or hit me with stun/fear).

[pokemon4955]

LMFAO yea...AR mobs is ALREADY hard and needed to charm in order to grind efficiently..imagine the next cap raise and gm will release more mobs in ar ..and ye we missing like 60% of the mobs in ar._. n like dark continent etc mobs like lvl 125+..deals u like around 2k per hit..fun fun to heal lmfao xD

[preetykitty]

-Stalks- HK is better. c:

GL Kitteh <3!~

Lol thanks <3

[preetykitty]

OK see thats like im changin my stats here this weekend to END/SPR so I still dont know lol

I am lovin everyones opinion on this topic.

[pokemon4955]

well...dont rush u got 13lvls to decide still kittie u have time lol

[Roseanna]

Yeah just wait til you're 99 to decide. xD See how your playstyle develops... do you always party or do you solo too, would you rather instarez or crit buff, do you think you can handle the future without heal/rejuv upgrades, etc. It'll take a while for you to get there, you'll know by then.

[preetykitty]

Lol Jerry I aint rushin... Just would love to have opions on this.... So that way it can help me decide.

I mean I want to chose which one will be better in the long run.. so idk :/

[preetykitty]

Well im either in a pt or soloin. I do both.

[Roseanna]

I mean I want to chose which one will be better in the long run.. so idk :/
But there's not so much a "better" as there is a "better for you." Each person's preferences and playstyle can be so different... there's no right or wrong, there's just what you'd prefer.

[Xylvion]

I guess there will be 1 HK and 1 Guardian in every party anyways :/
1 HK for buffs/defbuff/backupheal/critbuff
1 Guardian for heals/magedamagebuffs
1 Knight to tank almost all the mobs (the HK can heal this dude cause he takes so low damage)
2 Wizards, hey they got the AoEskills like nova and inferno, warlocks aoes damage will be low C:

[Thasmudyan]

LMFAO yea...AR mobs is ALREADY hard and needed to charm in order to grind efficiently..imagine the next cap raise and gm will release more mobs in ar ..and ye we missing like 60% of the mobs in ar._. n like dark continent etc mobs like lvl 125+..deals u like around 2k per hit..fun fun to heal lmfao xD

This is exactly why I think parties will prefer Guardians in the future.

Also keep in mind, not everyone charms. HK is nice for charmed mage duos (only one person taking the damage, and crit buff is more effective when only one person is doing all the damage, too) but for full parties of non-charmed people it's just a different style (damage tends to be spread out more necessitating quicker thinking on the cleric's part, here's where larger heals will really shine, and rebirth in case someone dies).

[prettie_kitty]

I would answer on my freakin main account if it wasnt suspended lmao

But yes people I am still lovin all the opinions yall are givin..

Keep it up... I would love to hear more.


be back on main here soon^^

[ccurry]

This is a long-debated decision, and really comes down to your preferences and playstyle and how you'd like to be playing when you're level 120 or 150.

Holy Knight: Protect, endure, bash upgrades and crit buff gained. Can also dispel buffs (like scrolls) in pvp, all buffs single-target and one random buff aoe around you. Does not get a hp boost at class change.

Pros: Protect will continue to upgrade, adding defense to your party and damage to you. Bash upgrades add damage to you. Endure upgrades allow you to raise your party's hp. Crit buff allows you to make your party kill faster. Your dispel makes you majorly annoying and expense-causing in pvp.

Cons: While you can increase party members' hp, your heal and rejuv will never upgrade. What's the use of upping hp amount without upping your heal? Gears will continue to get better, hp will continue to rise. Remember the old days before we had level 60+ heals, and we couldn't keep up? You'll be able to increase your party's defense, so they'll take some less damage... but enough to never again upgrade heal or rejuv? Is increasing your damage and having a fun crit buff worth that? To some people it is, to some people it's not. Oh and, may I add that everyone (including guardians and their parties) will be begging you for buffs.

Guardian: Heal and rejuv upgrade. Bash, protect, and endure do not. Rebirth skill gained, the target automatically revives upon death. Dispel is the same as above (I think?), but with curses instead of buffs. I don't know the hp boost at class change, what is it? 300, 500, something like that?

Pros: Get rebirth on you and the main tank, and no problems with losing the spot. Mage dies? Mage can be up before the mobs die, no more mage dies then the mobs die right on top of them. You're the only healer and you die? You're up right away. You're soloing a quest in a hard place to get to? No worries about dying and ending up in Uruga if nobody's around to rez you. Heal and rejuv continue to upgrade.

Cons: You and your party, if they want the higher tier endure, have to go beg it from a holy knight. Your protect doesn't upgrade, so unless you have a HK in the party, their hp and your heals go up while the defense buff does not. Bash doesn't upgrade, so soloing is made more difficult than it already is... but do you ever solo anyway? Endure doesn't upgrade, but do you really want to increase your party member's hp without heal/rejuv upgrades? You miss out on the crit buff, it looks fun - but is it worth giving up guardian for? For some people it is, for some people it's not.


I think this is a great answer... Thank you for clearing up answers that I hadn't been able to find.... Still not sure what I wanna be when I grow up though lol

[Roseanna]

I think this is a great answer... Thank you for clearing up answers that I hadn't been able to find.... Still not sure what I wanna be when I grow up though lol
Yer welcome. :) Like I said to prettie, wait til you're 99 and then you'll know. It's a long road til then.

[Icetra]

And is not the purpose of a cleric to buff the party and passively help? Just a side observation, but I believe that both fit this role well.

Buffing is one thing, healing is another.

The main role of a 'Cleric' is to heal, but again, I think it would be based on opinion.

My answers still stands: Guardian! :D

[karvaj]

im secksy.. so guardian

[prettie_kitty]

Im still gonna wait until I decide on what I want to be.

But its nice to know everyones opinion on it all.

So far ive had more votes for Guardian then HK lol.

I know theres alot more players on Teva. Psssh they should post there opinion as well.

Well everyone yet again thanks for all the responses and cant wait to hear more.


(yes im comin back tonight on main!!!) ^^

[xXRomeoXx]

Psst i vote Guardian D; thats what meh cleric gonna go for ;3 (wheneva it gets there...) ._. an really ... they should have mace Dx well i guess ima just use lv1 +9 ;x mace forever.....

[pokemon4955]

yeeeeeee hk is just better for duo/charmed, and only G that can withstand to heal full pt non charm xD

[preetykitty]

I think I have made my decision. I beleive im goin for Guardian... I think :/ lmao

[ccurry]

Ok, from what I am gathering... HK is better for solo-duo if say mage/archer and Gardian is more party.... but if your are really good cleric, I think you could work the HK and be a very successful cleric.... I think I'm a really good cleric and can keep my party alive unless the lag monster rises up at the wrong time(sorry hubby who usually is the one that suffers from the lag monster)....So I think either way you go it all depends on how your style of play is.

[Roseanna]

Ok, from what I am gathering... HK is better for solo-duo if say mage/archer
Being a wizard/HK duo, I can say that yes this is better for the current cap raise. His heals are enough, he gives me more defense, he gives me higher hp/sp, and he doubles my damage on sometimes every single pull. I can use a dark knight suit and defense backpack, knowing that crit is useless in duo anyway.

However, I don't think this will hold true in future cap raises. My hp will increase, mob damage will increase... and I don't think the defense increase on protect buff/my gear will be enough to hold up. Eventually, his lack of heal/rejuv upgrades will catch up to us. I remember when he was level 97 and we were duoing rhino lords, he needed that one next heal to be able to keep up with the damage they were hitting me for. To commit to never again getting a heal OR rejuv upgrade... well... that could destroy a mage/cleric duo down the line.

But that's also only speculation. Which is our problem, everything is speculation at the moment. We won't really know til we see how it all plays out, which will probably be a year or two from now... if Fiesta even still exists then.

Archer/cleric duo though... I think that would benefit from HK over guardian. They're not taking constant damage like a mage is, so really they need the higher hp/higher defense more than they need the higher heals.

I kinda just think that, in the end, it'll force us to party up more. Parties will want one guardian for the heals and rebirth, and one HK for the protect endure and crit buff. We'll see.

[ccurry]

I just can't wait to be able to test those theories out. It should be fun but in the same aspect. I don't want to choose something and be completely useless except for summoning for hubby :(

[legendking3]

Being a wizard/HK duo, I can say that yes this is better for the current cap raise. His heals are enough, he gives me more defense, he gives me higher hp/sp, and he doubles my damage on sometimes every single pull. I can use a dark knight suit and defense backpack, knowing that crit is useless in duo anyway.

However, I don't think this will hold true in future cap raises. My hp will increase, mob damage will increase... and I don't think the defense increase on protect buff/my gear will be enough to hold up. Eventually, his lack of heal/rejuv upgrades will catch up to us. I remember when he was level 97 and we were duoing rhino lords, he needed that one next heal to be able to keep up with the damage they were hitting me for. To commit to never again getting a heal OR rejuv upgrade... well... that could destroy a mage/cleric duo down the line.

But that's also only speculation. Which is our problem, everything is speculation at the moment. We won't really know til we see how it all plays out, which will probably be a year or two from now... if Fiesta even still exists then.

Archer/cleric duo though... I think that would benefit from HK over guardian. They're not taking constant damage like a mage is, so really they need the higher hp/higher defense more than they need the higher heals.

I kinda just think that, in the end, it'll force us to party up more. Parties will want one guardian for the heals and rebirth, and one HK for the protect endure and crit buff. We'll see.

o.0 tempy i never did consider the HK/archer duo. you're right they probably would be together more. now if only archers didnt solo 75% of the time...

[resigood]

dam this thread lol
had my heart set on holyknight
even got my 100 mace in advance

and now all these posts making me think guardian is the better choice

i mean already lvl 100s having 10K+ hp
and only being able to heal 2.8k is bad enough

[thechaz]

depends what u wanna do if u are a soloer u are a hk if u are a pty player u go guardian

[BlackDragonEX]

-doesn't like to duo at all-

party\Solo Ftw~

[Xylvion]

uhm it must be epic to duo with a HK think for yourself all your attacks would crit for around 10 secs then nothing for 1 min(the cd is 1min 10 secs), but still that'd be hawt o;

@ichi not everyone can charm 24/7 while soloing kthx ;c

[Roseanna]

Cd empowered is like 40-something-seconds Wai. And it can be chain casted with quicken. So 20 seconds on, 40-ish seconds off, then 10 seconds on til quicken cd (faster with the cross set), etc. Plus, the higher damage/defense from the HK party buff. Plus, the higher hp from the HK endure. Plus, the cleric picks up all your drops on sequential allo so you get stuff.

But, I bet you'd prolly lose a lot of exp to the cleric... which you don't even need to get by, really. You lose some aggro to them, have to watch and pull off of them. More of a hassle for something not necessary, really.

[purpleronnie]

a pty with 2 guardian and 1 hk with 1 mage pulling whole field of bbear..mage died once...still FAIL lmao..better be..high cleric :P

[preetykitty]

Its still a complicated choice to decide on x.x
oh well i still have time, but i might go Guardian
only cuz of the heals x.x

[karvaj]

go warlock already

[purpleronnie]

stay high cleric...lol

[xbox40000]

HKs get endure. I didn't know that :(. Now I gotta buy a mace or something.

[tomopi]

Suggestion only :

holy Knight:

As everyone is worrying about the healing insufficent from holy knight, why dun we see it in another way. a good holy knight can still heal well if they catch the right timing to cast his healing skill . and dun forget tat the tanker can also scroll up with the highest def scroll and sc item will be an add-on advantage. Dun forget we oso have Stones & Pots.

below is some advantage that i can tink of for being a holy knight

1) healing doesnt seem to be a problem because
- party with fighter with Highest def scroll will increase def and thus with heal + Rejuvenate + AOE heal x 2 ( recover & awaken) and with correct timing it will be enough.

2) because for cleric no matter which lvl, a good party will only need 1 cleric and therefore it hard to find a party.

3) holy Knight high attack skill play a part in soloing when there wasnt any party which make cleric easier to lvl with scroll up.

4) 100 % critical contribute with quicken x 2 add a advantage to the party or self . and cool down is only 1 min (with cool time empowerment will be much lower)

5) Rebirth (only useful for those with BOT(blessing of Teva). if your party keep dieing without BOT they be losing exp more than they are grinding.

6) Do not need to beg for "BUFF Pls" cos it seem strange for a cleric to ask for a buff.

7) HOLY KNIGHT - name seem better and it suit wat we call prestige class cos we are Knighted with holiness' lol.

" No one is perfect in this world therefore everyone have bias against something and we always must put ourselves in another way of seeing things. "
" no matter which class a cleric is in, they must make sure they are keeping their party alive at all time and this is our job, tat why there are a skill call sacrifice. Cleric is a class for ppl to be respect of and not being of making use just for healing and buff only."

[purpleronnie]

1) healing doesnt seem to be a problem because
- party with fighter with Highest def scroll will increase def and thus with heal + Rejuvenate + AOE heal x 2 ( recover & awaken) and with correct timing it will be enough.



just an add up :

not all fighter is a skillful tanker - the fact that these days..u barely can find 1..some doesnt wanna scroll..doesnt wanna mock..not sc user..(even spencer died mocking all black bear when we pulling whole field LOL x.x gomennasai spence :P)

absolutely agree with crit buff..it speed up the killing

rebirth useful when every1 got wiped out in pty and mob after cleric...cast it on urself...suicide..let mob go away..revived...then revived whole party..no1 need to go back to town..esp when u die in tos..sod and good if u dont wanna waste time on charm for going back and forth from town to grinding spot

note : im not flaming ur post lol..i would love to be both class lmao..no need to ask for buff..and crit buff is marvellous~ yummmy

[pokemon4955]

Suggestion only :

holy Knight:
below is some advantage that i can tink of for being a holy knight

1) healing doesnt seem to be a problem because
- party with fighter with Highest def scroll will increase def and thus with heal + Rejuvenate + AOE heal x 2 ( recover & awaken) and with correct timing it will be enough.

You do know that higher lvl 90s most of the time party is only duo,for more exp and thats either archer/cleric or cleric/mage,since the dd is charmed whenever grinding,fighter is useless unless a guildie needs a pt


2) because for cleric no matter which lvl, a good party will only need 1 cleric and therefore it hard to find a party.

As lvl increase...your endures and hp will increase as well,thus hp high,and u have very limited amount of heal ,can u think of lvl 135 or 140 where a HK cant even heal with duo pt,let alone full pt

3) holy Knight high attack skill play a part in soloing when there wasnt any party which make cleric easier to lvl with scroll up.

theres only a few--should i say..kathrynne and thasmudyan who are a soloer clerics,most cleric gets bored after 2hrs of soloing,

4) 100 % critical contribute with quicken x 2 add a advantage to the party or self . and cool down is only 1 min (with cool time empowerment will be much lower)

1min-18secs max cd o:

5) Rebirth (only useful for those with BOT(blessing of Teva). if your party keep dieing without BOT they be losing exp more than they are grinding.

might as u know..Rebirth is very indeed useful in helga tomb,for u can automatically revive upon death instead of returning back to FoS and go back to HT,also rebirth is very helpful for guardians who will be lvling in a place thats far from town..thus if cleric know they "about" to die,just cast rebirth n they can be revived back

6) Do not need to beg for "BUFF Pls" cos it seem strange for a cleric to ask for a buff.

Lmao i can see guardians do that later :x..

7) HOLY KNIGHT - name seem better and it suit wat we call prestige class cos we are Knighted with holiness' lol.

true :3


" No one is perfect in this world therefore everyone have bias against something and we always must put ourselves in another way of seeing things. "

very right..

" no matter which class a cleric is in, they must make sure they are keeping their party alive at all time and this is our job, tat why there are a skill call sacrifice. Cleric is a class for ppl to be respect of and not being of making use just for healing and buff only."

yea i rem back early 79cap...where the heals is only up to lvl 10 we cant even keep up :x

my response is in bold :x

[preetykitty]

yea.... looks like Guardian is the way to go^^

[kemo_sabe]

KITTY!!!!!!!!!!!!! U can be my Guardian and ill be your Shining Knight. XD . . . . (well i dont know how shiny knight armor is) I Believe i have dicided my class Finally. HP horder, 90str, 10end, Rest dex Knight! Still with all +9 armors, close to max end and a 2h sword and a S/S for fun. U and me will go DUO Helga one day and win. XD u should marrie me. Cuz I constantly Need Heals and some Lovin. <3 Yeah Yeah Blah Blah Blah. so ur taken ATM... But u will be mine. XD Gonna wisk u away forever.


Back to the point..

I say Guardian. Because if u really think about it. Clerics regardless of build, stil kill very slow. Either way in the game to quest we want a pt. SO why not get stronger heals? Granted u cant get upgraded Endure but Its not like ur Buff is nothing. And it really depends on your build. Pure end i would say Guardian. Pure str Guardian.. LOL see what im saying Guardian. We need better heals. And when u wanna solo u can just charm.

[ccurry]

lol some ppl do not buy charms, or do not have a way to get SC... so just charming isn't going to fix it lol

[kemo_sabe]

Then U can Pm me and ill come To the Rescue.

And CCURRY i rather dislike your Husban. your ok though.

[kemo_sabe]

And in this Case. We are talking about Kitty. She has Sc and Charms. So thats what i was refering to. And i dont ever charm. never hav and never will. And i know lots of people dont. But I like to test my own limits and see how Good i am with no out side help I.E. (charms, extenders) Granted i have a perm sensi suit. But again Thats my Opinion. Either way u look at it Either Gard or HK your still lvl 100+ and thats fricken AWSOME XD dont really matter as long as we all have fun.

[watermagicvampire]

i like guardian better for myself :o

[kuda_kufog]

in considering what your asking kitty i would honestly have to say i would go HK, i have tried a bunch of diff builds to know that the best build is and always will be 5dex rest end 25spr , cus hey you nvr know, that 5 for dex is there as safety cus when clerics get to fighting higher lvl mobs the misses start piling up and that is why hk will be great for me

btw i like to solo more than normal and would love that 3rd attack skill and the ability to dispel mobs ability to heal themselves and yes mobs at higher lvl's have crazy abilities to stun poison and all other abils to do dmg

also i'm thinking the gm's will make dmg gears for hk and support gears for each respective path you choose they will more than likely do things like thisso that the specif class can be better at what they are going for


ty Loaded revolver
<3 ya kitty
legacy of cayne guild

ty and sry for the comment wall

[FlaredanceR]

yea.... looks like Guardian is the way to go^^

Great choice ^^

[preetykitty]

[QUOTE=kemo_sabe;2731761]KITTY!!!!!!!!!!!!! U can be my Guardian and ill be your Shining Knight. XD . . . . (well i dont know how shiny knight armor is) I Believe i have dicided my class Finally. HP horder, 90str, 10end, Rest dex Knight! Still with all +9 armors, close to max end and a 2h sword and a S/S for fun. U and me will go DUO Helga one day and win. XD u should marrie me. Cuz I constantly Need Heals and some Lovin. <3 Yeah Yeah Blah Blah Blah. so ur taken ATM... But u will be mine. XD Gonna wisk u away forever.


KEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3333
lmao aww u wanna marry meh -blushes- lol
pfft u can still be meh shiny knight if we never get married lol
well yea idk what ima go yet tbh x.x lol oh wells
i will find out soon i guess maybe x.o
and yea sometimes i charm not that often Dx and yea i use sc
pretty much one way or another someone has o.o lol
and yea duo helga? lmfao *** u smokin? <333 its okies though

[purpleronnie]

ohhhh go hk...lesss guardian please XD

less guardian means less market competition over guardian godlies T.T
means i dont have to spend alot D:
<333 u my foster daughter..my only baby gurl

[pokemon4955]

lmao gratzzz on 2nd guardian <3333

[Kevinp]

Guardian is the best

[preetykitty]

lol mom ur so silly and eh still aint decided yet on what i want to be :/

and yes mom grats on cap<33333

[purpleronnie]

ty ty ty xDDD

6k rejuv FTW

-silly mom D:

[preetykitty]

lol.... i really dont know what i want to be yet when i grow up XD lmao

yesh mom u silly :P

[kemo_sabe]

Join the wanna-be Boat. Ill be the Captin. This boat is for those who dont know what they wanna be and wish they were lvl 1xx+

Knight vs. Glad :(

such a hard dicision to make. Darn you OS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can i do both? a Knighlator?

HK vs. Gard

just as hard WTH!!!!!! :'(

Wiz vs War

well! we all know whats the better class here. Btw what moves do Wiz get?

Ranger vs Whatever???

Dont really follow arhcers.

[purpleronnie]

Knight (more tankable)
Gladiator (can tank..but knight more efficient..better soloer and pvp)

Wizard & Warlock (warlock atm obviously pvp typed, cant see a lot of different in aoe efficiency for wizard yet since its only 5 lvl different)

Ranger (hide + entangled = awesummssss)
Sharpshooter (speeed ownage!)

Holy Knight (suit for solo cleric..go full str..crit buff and hp/sp = yummy)
Guardian (more heal/rejuv = pty type cleric)

-lazy mode-

[kemo_sabe]

Knight (more tankable)
Gladiator (can tank..but knight more efficient..better soloer and pvp)

Wizard & Warlock (warlock atm obviously pvp typed, cant see a lot of different in aoe efficiency for wizard yet since its only 5 lvl different)

Ranger (hide + entangled = awesummssss)
Sharpshooter (speeed ownage!)

Holy Knight (suit for solo cleric..go full str..crit buff and hp/sp = yummy)
Guardian (more heal/rejuv = pty type cleric)

-lazy mode-


Going to add some details to ur theory

Knight [pure str with 2h +9 or +9 hg axe] - Way better then Glad
Glad [pur str full +9s, more damage more aggor] - Way better then Knight

Wiz and Warlock [Either way ur going to own everyone. just depends on how fast or slow u want to kill them.] ANd now they get to have summon which is in the end there own personal Tank. Not fair. they have like 3 stun moves, 2 moves that slow u, and the rest Just plain Hurt!


Ranger [cloak of death (hide) and Entangle] - Fought one of these and let me tell you. AMAZING. except the hide. But ! thing i found out is the higher lvl i get the less damage archers are causing me. But there crits are deadly

Sharpshooter [dunno] Speed???? they run faster? or Cast moves faster?

HK and Glad [honestly i dont really get the point of the split here. Clerics are a party character. I know it sounds rude. But in the end there damage is less then that of a fighter with the same build. Granted they get self heals and invinc. But that dont matter with stun.] But someone has to be the Cleric

[purpleronnie]

sharpshooter - bow speed ownage...i got killed by sharpshooter hgbow while i was shrooming..

HK and Glad? rofl...its guard xDD

*let just play fish frenzyyy no need to choose class...just eat em alll LOL

[kemo_sabe]

LOL FRISH FRENZY ROCKS MY SOCKS!!!!!!!! lol Ummmmmmmmm. Like i said Merge the two classes and we will rock. Knight and Glad had a baby. That baby's name just so happens to be KEMO. I wonder who that could be XD.

[kemo_sabe]

Some one play me at tict_tact_toe

[preetykitty]

hmm.... interesting shall i say :P

[kemo_sabe]

ITs About time Kitty. Where Have u Been?????? I miss u =/

[preetykitty]

lmao ik x.x and umm here? and on game x.x umm ur on meh fl so PM MEH Dx <3