New Guild tournament!

[ariana_]

Hello Fiesta players,


Tonight, Tuesday, September 22 2009, Fiesta servers will be undergoing scheduled maintenance beginning at 10:00pm (PDT). Maintenance will last for 2 hour(s).

During this time, we will be patching bug fixes and adding the "Guild Tournament" system. We will also be adding new premium dance "Breakbeat" into Fiesta Store under "Emotions" category.

Patch note:
- Add Guild Tournament (beta).
- LivingStone monster changed to range attack monster.
- Fixed Inferno shirt graphic resource.
- Fixed Holy Promise rewards (Lv 50).
- Fixed Guard Paulmon's shape.
- Removed Vitality Skill casting bar.

[julio661]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my guild is so pawning!

[ariana_]

runs to join your guild lol ^^

[princessyfeather]

HAWTTTT I'M GUNNA .... yeah. that's epic. can't wait!

[Linabella]

isnt it just like a guild war? ._. i mean..whats the difference?

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Yup, it's gonna be epic.

Link here for those that don't know: http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/view/?id=zbn.8906

I'm just wondering about the last point, if the Vitality skill for fighter is just gonna be an insta-cast now. 8D

[UzumakiW]

Sounds fun =p

[doi2in]

*Plays Titanic music*

When I war people go down like in the Titanic.

[wolfy5079]

i wonder if because it's in beta we'll still be able to spectate... thats meant to be one of the features isn't it. watch the guilds fight.

[Fre_ak]

wowzor!!

when they say "new premium dance Breakbeat", they mean new new or old dance but new in the store? :O

EDIT: a little guide about the guild tournament would be nice too

[ChromeKitten]

http://www.fiestaonline.net/system/guildt.asp (http://www.fiestaonline.net/system/guildt.asp)

[Fre_ak]

i want Outspark version :O (even tho its still beta)

[ChromeKitten]

Blaaaah OS guides fail >.<

[imeel]

"10 Gold is required to apply"

lmao. hope the beta is free ._.

[GM_Straega]

I wrote up a more in-depth news posting here: http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/view/?id=zbn.8912

[zephyr_wind]

So we're getting the Guild Tournament, but not the housing feature that was mentioned months ago? Oh yeah PVP isn't emphasized my rear end >.>

[doi2in]

There should be a limit on how many people can participate. Like maybe 20 or 30.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

There should be a limit on how many people can participate. Like maybe 20 or 30.

The map may be large enough to hold more and it does mention strength comes in numbers and working together. Guess you gotta expect the unexpected no matter. The 10g fee is gonna kill lots of guilds anyways. xD

[Icetra]

My God. 10 Gold?

Guildies...I hope you have deep pockets.

[ChromeKitten]

I wrote up a more in-depth news posting here: http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/view/?id=zbn.8912

Thanks Straega but why still 10g? So expensive >.< Are the guild rewards that good?

[xkeonix]

- removed vitality skill casting bar.

are you freaking kidding me?!

[d11945]

Lol can't wait for this to be released...except don't think our guild will be able to do it with a 10g fee x-x

[ForgottenMiss27]

there should be a limit to the amount of players in a guild tournament! are you saying that limit for each guild is anywhere from 10 to 100 members!?!?!? can you imagine 3 or 4 guilds with 90 and above players combining just for the tounament??

[GM_Straega]

Housing system is still coming. I think that info was leaked though, because the Guild Tournament system has been in the works for quite a while now as well.

It should be out closer to the end of the year.

There should be a limit on how many people can participate. Like maybe 20 or 30.

I did see an issue with this at first when I heard this rule, but at the same time, I realized how beneficial this may be for guilds in the long run.

Keep in mind we're still testing it so we'll see how it goes.

Thanks Straega but why still 10g? So expensive >.< Are the guild rewards that good?

/shrugs

I thought it was pretty steep as well at first, considering the total amount may end up being split to quite a bit depending on how many people participate.

As far as I can tell so far it looks to be more for glory than anything else.

[nlha1981]

Reward is not really impresive for such very high fee. As I can see from GM topic, 10g for each guild and only 16 guilds can join, so we have prize pool of 160g.
1st place get 40%: 64g
2nd place get 20%: 32g
3rd place get 5% (2 guilds): 8g/each guild

If more than 16 guild register and only 16 can get in, its even worst because alot of other guild which not selected to play lost 10g for nothing. Seriously, I dont think that is worth to join. Only 1st and 2nd guild gain all other lost.

New game system which make game more fun and enjoyable (i mean small amount) so that fee should be affortable for all guild can join for fun. And reward should come out from GM not from the entrance fee.

In other game we have Siege War system which occur every 1 a week, the guild which can take control of the Castle will get gold tax reward (10% max from all items sold in NPC per week) and also guild master can select 1 of 3 buff for the whole guild (add 10% dmg, evasion or defence). In next Siege War, all other guilds will need to defeat the Caslte owner to find new owner for the Castle. So I think reward should be something like that, tax and buff.

[Fre_ak]

A total of 16 teams will be chosen at random for that week's tournament. There are NO REFUNDS, even if your guild has not been chosen to participate.

i dont get it. is that mean we have to pay 10g to get a chance to participate in the guild tournament?? so if we dont make it, we lose the money?

i know 16 guilds is still a lot but im just curious O.o

[GM_Straega]

i dont get it. is that mean we have to pay 10g to get a chance to participate in the guild tournament?? so if we didnt make it, we lose the money?

i know 16 guilds is still a lot but im just curious O.o

Yes. There is a list though of the participating guilds that have signed up. If that number reaches 16 then it may be advisable to go to the next week, however I'm sure there are some guilds that would still sign up for a chance at a guild that may be in it for that week.

Again, this is something we'll have to gauge after everyone's tried it out.

[Fre_ak]

and wat....about...SC items? can we use charm, pots and scrolls inside? .___.

thx

[doi2in]

I did see an issue with this at first when I heard this rule, but at the same time, I realized how beneficial this may be for guilds in the long run.

Keep in mind we're still testing it so we'll see how it goes.


I see 2 problems here. Guilds combining just to win and lag. If there are 80 members vs 30 or 40 can you imagine the lag?

[Andromeda]

I see 2 problems here. Guilds combining just to win and lag. If there are 80 members vs 30 or 40 can you imagine the lag?

People who have high end graphics cards in their computer will be enjoying this.

[drigr_x]

I think it could be nice for our IG economy. 10% of the pooled money goes bye bye. so that's like 16g+ go POOF every week?

[AmazonPhoenix]

The times of the matches kinda upset me. 9pm PDT on a Sunday? Even for East Coast thats 1am... when many have work/school the next day. All EU players can forget about even participating, it's 5am-7am for them Monday morning.

I know after the hard work that has been put into this, grumbling seems unkind. However I've looked forward to this and to realise that the matches are between 3am-5am my time is really disappointing. A lot of my guild feel the same.

And yeah. No limit on people... meh. Guilds will start to combine just to win.

I feel kinda crushed now :/ Had been so looking forward to this only to realise I can never participate.

[GM_Snappo]

Reward is not really impresive for such very high fee. As I can see from GM topic, 10g for each guild and only 16 guilds can join, so we have prize pool of 160g.
1st place get 40%: 64g
2nd place get 20%: 32g
3rd place get 5% (2 guilds): 8g/each guild

Reward is not just from the 16 guilds. It's from ALL guilds registration fees. So if 50 guilds signed up, the pot would be 500 gold to be split by the winning guilds.

[Fre_ak]

@AmazonPhoenix

it just a beta. im sure there is no time that can satisfy every1 because they is also players from Asia who wouldnt like it either if its too earlier, etc.


Keep in mind we're still testing it so we'll see how it goes.

Note: These times may be subject to change based on feedback.

[ForgottenMiss27]

i dont even think 16 guilds would be willing to waste 10 gold, just to be beaten my a guild that temporarily merged 3 or 4 guilds together.

[nlha1981]

Reward is not just from the 16 guilds. It's from ALL guilds registration fees. So if 50 guilds signed up, the pot would be 500 gold to be split by the winning guilds.

Like I said on my reply, in that case, all other guilds which are not selected to join will lost their gold for nothing that is even worst. 13 teams lost when they are selected but atleast they can enjoy. to play

[imeel]

The no refund thing is weird :s

[Rzpect]

c: think about it.
In your server how many guilds do u think has the man-power and the money?
i bet in a server their would only be 5 top guilds; they hv the man power and the money to spend on.
i doubt you would find over 20 guilds registering to this.

[nlha1981]

c: think about it.
In your server how many guilds do u think has the man-power and the money?
i bet in a server their would only be 5 top guilds; they hv the man power and the money to spend on.
i doubt you would find over 20 guilds registering to this.

You are absolutely right, although we have alot of guilds, there are only 5-8 top guilds, and everyone knows that only top guilds can get reward so why would they bother to wasting 10g for it.

[gordonmaster]

i dont even think 16 guilds would be willing to waste 10 gold, just to be beaten my a guild that temporarily merged 3 or 4 guilds together.

haha so true, 10g sounds steep atm.

[Fre_ak]

yeah the 10g bother me..

how can we fully test it if only a few guilds join? =/

*listen to the new guild tournament song* o.o

[drigr_x]

Yeah... Maybe a free version too? Or lower version for the not so leet guilds?

[alicina]

._. I don't even have 10g...

But I think this sounds interesting...just...the price is keeping me open-minded.

EDIT: Maybe they should make a system where the guild masters can choose the minimum level of their guild. Like 40-80 or something so that the guild system can sum all of those guilds within that level.

...Wait...nevermind, higher leveled guilds will totally click on that and pwn everyone. >.<

[Kanashimi_Doshaburi]

I get the feeling guilds like Ryekarayn are gonna get even richer. ._.;;

[drigr_x]

I get the feeling other guilds wont even join once they see the leet ones in... Epith might get IMBA, sp3c, and AZUMII. I dunno if we have any other top guilds.

[xkeonix]

I get the feeling guilds like Ryekarayn are gonna get even richer. ._.;;

That's just a fact ._.

[nlha1981]

I get the feeling other guilds wont even join once they see the leet ones in... Epith might get IMBA, sp3c, and AZUMII. I dunno if we have any other top guilds.

Enough said.

[Cherushi]

O.o.. I see valid speculations on this thread, but really.. there's no point in that until we test it out ourselves hm? @@

Let's just wait and see first xD..

[yaseeda]

I am semi retired from Fiesta, but when i saw this, i couldn't stay silent.
1) 10g ?! Guys, u serious? Only like 5 top guilds of server can pay such money, and since now u need feedback on this thing, why not make it free for test period? And even when all bugs will be removed, 10g... seriously, what the hell.....

2) FORBID USAGE OF EXTENDERS AND CHARMS IN TOURNAMENT. Or it will be "guild with most rich in real life players owns all", thats unfair. All guilds should have chance, if u going to make this tournament just for active sc abusers, u will for sure lose lot of players that cant pay tons of money for charms and extenders.

And this game Free To Play. Always keep this in mind.

[drigr_x]

I wouldn't wanna try when its gonna cost my guild 10g to get our behinds handed to us.. That money could go to our acad and improve our GBuff instead...

[cvlace]

Im in Bijou, and im not gonna bother with it, I already know my place in the guild system, and I know I am far from 1st place, and I believe I may know who is first place in Bijou lol, and gratz on your hard work kids

[drigr_x]

I really hope they make soem sort of free version for fun just pit guilds against each other in collosium like combat!__: D blood thirsty lions included?

[Kanashimi_Doshaburi]

I really hope they make soem sort of free version for fun just pit guilds against each other in collosium like combat!__: D blood thirsty lions included?

Lol even better, Helga included =D

Or mini dragons >.>

[drigr_x]

I think its become general opinion that we don't wanna pay to get ownd? Right?

[Shinrikidu]

I too think that the 10g is too much.....maybe lower it down to 5g?
Other than that....everything sounds amazing.....about time we get some other type of fun in the game ^^

[cvlace]

I think its become general opinion that we don't wanna pay to get ownd? Right?

pretty much yeah lol, I cant think of anyone that I know who would do it lol

[drigr_x]

*joins AZUMII*
*get first and wins 2g after split*
*quits*
YAY MONEYZZZ!

[sage03]

awww D: theres only like 14 people in my guild...but the highest lv person is 81 and hes the master ;)

[alicina]

*joins AZUMII*
*get first and wins 2g after split*
*quits*
YAY MONEYZZZ!

Hehehe e.e

*Mumbles* Darn, he stole my plan. *Mumbles*

[zephyr_wind]

Well assuming the guild is going to help with getting the money for registration, it might not be too bad. Obviously this is less of a burden for bigger guilds who have more members who can contribute. Registration is 10g, could get 10 people in guild to put forward 1g towards registration. If you have a lot of members that intend to participate or want to put money towards registration, the donation amount per person reduces. Obviously if you intend to enter you'll want to make sure that a good number of members will be on/available when it starts. It's not like the money has to come straight out of guild storage.

[yaseeda]

But still> guilds that participate picked randomly, so all money may be just wasted. You want to lose 1g... for nothing?
And once again, if they want us to test this, they should make it free for test period... Otherwise it makes little sense...

[GM_Straega]

A few things to keep in mind:

We're in a phase where we're testing more than one aspect of the system, this includes costs and functionality.

It's still necessary to have an incentive for the winner, which means there should be a certain sum made available which has to come from somewhere. I do understand that it can be fun without the cost, but if costs were implemented only in post-beta, in the end it would only make more people upset. It's also possible that the maximum number of guilds at signup will never be reached, again that's something we can only make assumptions about at this point.

Because of guilds that have already been established, it's a belief that this may easily skew tournament results. I don't totally disagree with this, though in the long term, theoretically, I do see a likelihood of guilds balancing out as a result.

Again, we're in a testing phase where we still have the option to change costs if need be, participant numbers, or other things.

My point, which has been made more than once, is don't rag on it until you try it out. If you detest it, perhaps it will change soon in your favor. If you must say something negative about it, make it constructive. You help no one otherwise.

[nlha1981]

With that much amount of 10g for reg, I will never join this tournament so yes OS lost 1 to test new system. If OS really want ppl to test it out, you should make it free. 10g is hard for most of guild to get but I dont think it is hard for OS to give winning guilds gold for their reward.

I don't see any fun part if some guild lost 10g to reg and might not able to join as they are not selected and 13 guilds lost because only 3 places, also they know that only few top guild can win.

[skysparkle]

saying its gonna cost 10g to register as there needs to b an incentive to win and the money has to come from somewhere ...... i think bragging rights is more than enough incentive for most guilds and i think a reward of some kind of guild buff would b much more suitable than gold

theres the issue that ppl will all join the larger guilds then leave afterwards in the hope of gettin some money prize .... they wouldnt do this if the reward was a guild buff

not many guilds can afford 10g registration and more so wont want to pay money knowing it will just b going to the bigger guilds at the end of it its almost like giving ur dinner money to the bullies at school lol ..... again make it free if theres no gold as a prize theres no reason to pay gold to participate

the same guilds will win each time and no one else will bother joining ........ make 2 lvls one with a max member lvl of 105 and one with a max member lvl of 75/80

wont b a battle of skill it will b a battle of sc ..... um yup and os wont change that they are expecting this to b their next big money maker..... shame rly as disabling cs items would make this new addition to the game something amazing rather than another cash cow

[savaro]

on epith its possible that 16guild can particapte altough i think only like 8 can do it weekly only problem is like other then 6big guilds no one can win even not when you have bit more luck.

so small guilds will always lose their 10g and therefor wont play it would be cooler if it wasn't with guild but just 2 teams of random indivuals against each other paying 200s fee and rewarding team doubles money lol.

if you want to get money out of this you should decrease the number of guilds to like 6 then six guilds can go full sc ea week and kill ea other.

[citcat21]

REPOST FROM ANOTHER THREAD sorry but it seemed Straega was following this one instead.

my personal thoughts on the guild tourny
1. too expensive for the newer servers cypion and legel
2. the concept seems fun with all the ways to win
3. why does money get absorbed i mean os can't use it for anything
4. since it's in beta it should be free or atleast WAY cheaper.
5. while i understand if there are more than 16 participants it is too difficult to set up a bracket but non refundable if you don't get to participate for that sum of money is a lil crazy.
6. I kind of see no reason why os can't fund the tournament anyway...maybe Having 20 members would prevent people from trying to solo the contest better.


questions:
How will they seed the brakcets will it be based on academy ranking, number of members, or what?
Is the monetary reward all we get?
What happens if fewer than 16 guilds wish to participate?

I'm sure i'll think of more things but that is what i have so far.

[alcatraz2k0]

I like the idea of a guild tournament and it was about time that new content was introduced from which players could derive entertainment. However, I see several potential problems with this:

1. The entry fee is too restrictive because only a select few guilds would be able and willing to pay 10g every week to sign up for the tournament with no assurance of even being entered in the tournament. I would say maybe a 5g entry, like was already suggested, would be a lot better and it would encourage a lot more guilds to try their luck. As it stands, only the powerhouse guilds, which in most servers you can count on one hand, would be able to enter and the medium level or smaller guilds would not pay 10g just to lose.

2. The proposed number of people who can participate poses two problems. The first is it provides an avenue for exploitation whereby several guilds could form alliances to ensure that they have an overwhelming number of people and enter as a "guild". After the tournament is won, then everyone just go back to their respective guilds. Such unions of convenience really defeats the purpose of the tournament and would diminish the integrity of the tournament. The other problem with the number of people who can participate is the most common problem in the game which is lag. I am yet to see any instance where 20 people can freely operate on a map without experiencing lag, especially where mages are involved. I think that a certain number should be registered from the guild and it is these people who would be entered in the tournament and I would say maybe 20 people max could be registered from each guild. It should still lag a lot to have 40 people on a map but it would be a lot better than 60 plus people.

3. The extent to which CS items could be used would again greatly determine the outcome of the tournament and would adversely affect tournament participation. My suggestion would be to not have the use of certain CS items like CS pots and charms and to compensate there should be several chests on the map that give certain items like something that could freeze your opponents for how-ever long or something that could make you invincible for how-ever long. I think in this way it would encourage people who do not use a lot of SC to participate because they would feel as if they have a chance. An example could be taken from PvP KQ where although a person may be charmed you could still one hit that person with the hammer or temporarily protect yourself with the ice. As a matter of fact, I think all CS items should be removed even extenders on entering the battle arena but in game items like scrolls, pots and stones would be allowed.

I think if these issues are dealt with, then this tournament has the potential to be the most entertaining thing in the game.

[gordonmaster]

this is a risk vs reward type situation. But, the key to this risk vs reward situation is that the player or the guild master has the choice, yes choice in whether or not they will participate in this risk vs reward tournament.

This is taken from this guy in another thread but I have to say I agree with the risk vs reward aspects. Another player being charmed is a risk the same way that the number of participants is a risk. If me or my guild master is going to spend 10g for a chance to pwn some other guild then charms should be in, I'm just saying.

We can ride our mount in the guild tournament right?

And it's not only about kill points only right?

Doesn't the type of guild member affect the points recieved? hmmm :D

Risk vs Rewards actually starting to make sense ;) wink for all of ya who get what I'm not saying.

[yucina]

saying its gonna cost 10g to register as there needs to b an incentive to win and the money has to come from somewhere ...... i think bragging rights is more than enough incentive for most guilds and i think a reward of some kind of guild buff would b much more suitable than gold

theres the issue that ppl will all join the larger guilds then leave afterwards in the hope of gettin some money prize .... they wouldnt do this if the reward was a guild buff

not many guilds can afford 10g registration and more so wont want to pay money knowing it will just b going to the bigger guilds at the end of it its almost like giving ur dinner money to the bullies at school lol ..... again make it free if theres no gold as a prize theres no reason to pay gold to participate

the same guilds will win each time and no one else will bother joining ........ make 2 lvls one with a max member lvl of 105 and one with a max member lvl of 75/80

wont b a battle of skill it will b a battle of sc ..... um yup and os wont change that they are expecting this to b their next big money maker..... shame rly as disabling cs items would make this new addition to the game something amazing rather than another cash cow

My savior~
You took the word out of my mouth Dot~ <3

[Icetra]

This is taken from this guy in another thread but I have to say I agree with the risk vs reward aspects. Another player being charmed is a risk the same way that the number of participants is a risk. If me or my guild master is going to spend 10g for a chance to pwn some other guild then charms should be in, I'm just saying.

We can ride our mount in the guild tournament right?

And it's not only about kill points only right?

Doesn't the type of guild member affect the points recieved? hmmm :D

Risk vs Rewards actually starting to make sense ;) wink for all of ya who get what I'm not saying.

Cash Shop items just ruin it, though. For those people that want to enter the tournament, the prize pool is enough.

I agree that they should be disabled in the tournament. What's the fun in not fighting with your true strength?

[saiyou8]

In my opinion, it sucks. >_<;
The tournament starts around at 7AM my time... -.- GMT +2

Oh well, it'll be just another battle of the sc wh0ars. :rolleyes:

I know the game is for US/Canada/Mexico but FFS we got EU players here too.

[Myn19]

What I'd like is:

1. Sc disabled,I guess we can all agree that isn't fair.In abyss it can also be used for grinding purposes,in fbz you don't lose anything if you die anyway,and in pvp kq you....yeah that should be changed too.
2.There are 3 rounds from what I've understood?(too lazy to check)How about making the first 2 round's times fit US and the main countries it's catering to and have the third fit eu timeline?


Btw guys,there are 3-5 top guilds right?
You forget something,they don't have spaces reserved,the more guilds register the less the chance for one of them to get in,even if one or 2 got in there are 3-4 more spots.
Also,they aren't able to invite more people in their guild when they get chosen so if they were to make alot of guilds and apply with all it'd be a waste of time.
Lowering the price to 5g might mean many more guilds joining so overall it may mean more money prize/absorbed but idk if it's really neccesary.
It'd be lame to see a fight between level 20-50.The fee is setting the level limit really.