LOL 10gold just to participate in the guild tornament to much?

[Piercing_Blood]

dnt u guys think thats to much 10gold just to participate in a Guild torny i mean wth 10gold for 60 min of fighting nah man thats way to much i see only the rich guilds participating :/ thx OS for making it so much gold just to dam participate....

[Icetra]

Too much?

That's not the proper way to describe it...

It's a heavily sum of money to be spent all for PvP. >_>

In my eyes, it isn't worth to be breathed on.

[resigood]

yeah i dont think half the population has access to 10g that they can just throw away lol
unless you're planning to make a sc for gold service which i think is highly doubtful

imagine if 1 guild payed 10g to take part but no1 else could afford it
what happens then? auto win?

[ras-blackfire]

im sure people will still join... >_> some ppl are rich anyways ><
if they spend $10000 on charms for pvp, they can also pay 10g for a lil guild tornament :3

[Icetra]

Ras, if that were the case...

I would be a very wealthy man. >>

[mikeming81]

*signed up*

[Piercing_Blood]

lol man if i was u mike i wnt spend that much on a 1 HOUR fight in a stupid arena, when u can just have a FREE guild war.... whats the differance between normal GW and torny? well Torny = paying 10gold to get access of the arena and u get prizes(stupid prizes) and a normal GW u dnt have to PAY ANYTHING and have fun in the normal places u war at... so which would u choose one u pay 10gold ridiculous price or free GW(more fun in many cases)

[nlha1981]

You forget normal GW, you can war at any time you want xD.

[joecracker]

10g doesnt mean u will even get to play in it lol read how it works ;)

[ras-blackfire]

if ppl wanne join for 10g... just leave them o.O its their choice... D:

and they atleast get to see a cool map! XD

[Piercing_Blood]

lol idc how this torny works i just want the price put down... pointless to pay 10g to see new map and fight o.o

[Icetra]

I'll join once I have a few Gems. .-.

[ras-blackfire]

well... you could ask all your guildys that wanne join to pay with u :) so everyone could pay 1 g or something?...

[Piercing_Blood]

maybe o.o but i hate the fact u pay so much D:< if it was 5g yes it would be fine but 50% more D:< to much... to much

[Icetra]

On Legel, there's not many people that have fats wallets. :>

This feature won't be used as much on that server, since we all need that money.

That's my prediction.

[ras-blackfire]

On Legel, there's not many people that have fats wallets. :>

This feature won't be used as much on that server, since we all need that money.

That's my prediction.

so true...

[Piercing_Blood]

i thought it if was beta mode it was free.... but i thought wrong

[ras-blackfire]

maybe they should make the first time free =/ so ppl can see how it is... maybe ppl wil realy like it and then do want to pay 10g D:

[Icetra]

maybe they should make the first time free =/ so ppl can see how it is... maybe ppl wil realy like it and then do want to pay 10g D:

It's like a Guild War...

So that basically could be a preview. o-o

[Piercing_Blood]

lol yea wat next have to pay to watch the torny too?

[Icetra]

4 Gold to watch them battle to the death...

:p

[Piercing_Blood]

are u serious lol im not paying end of discussion stupid OS trying to make us poor in game and out o.o

[DemonBlitzKragor]

The money does become the prize pool in the end, so the vast amount does make sense for a better prize pool.

[NightRyda]

20 guildies pay 500s each? It really isnt that much. It's not like you're the only person in your guild. But if you were, then there's no point in joining the tournament in the first place.

[Deux_Murakama]

20 guildies pay 500s each? It really isnt that much. It's not like you're the only person in your guild. But if you were, then there's no point in joining the tournament in the first place.

Thank you Night. Finally someone with a actual brain posts. If you guild mates want to do it then they should pay up to. If they dont want to pay tel them dont whine. There's normal guild wars. Dont want to fight on a map without being spam killed/shopkilled/lesslag/ where there's more than one way to win than just bashing buttons then hey, your choice.

[Spankle]

Ya like dbk said most guilds joining will be intending to win (as competition goes), in which case they GAIN money not lose. If you were such a guild believing you had a chance of win it would be in your -interest- financially whilst having fun :] Since there is strategy involved it will not be all about strength either :p

[Haku87]

Agrre with the 3 previous post...

You won't line up for a GW tournament unless you have at least 15-20 people online to participate...
Between 15-20 people it's cost around 500-750s/each members....not such a big investment..If you consider 1rst guild will win 50% of total amount... 16guilds*10g=160g... 80g for 1rst for like 500s for each members... if you are 20 to participe you can earn up to 4g for each members...

And I think this is an update that will fit people already capped...I mean everytime the cap raise people enjoy lvling ect, but after a certain period they don't have anything new to do again...This is (I think) for high lvl people...adding some more fun.
Furthermore when you're 70+ (even 60+) 1g isn't really hard to get.. i mean this isn't like they will give all their money..(or you're a very poor High lvl...plvling ?)

And to conclude this isn't just a GW tournament they implemented new tactical stuffs with the flag capture...

[DincaTinel]

not to mention that there will be only 16 guilds selected if ur not in the list to bad u just losed 10g for nothing >.<

[Idnem]

20 guildies pay 500s each? It really isnt that much. It's not like you're the only person in your guild. But if you were, then there's no point in joining the tournament in the first place.

Thank you Night. Finally someone with a actual brain posts. If you guild mates want to do it then they should pay up to. If they dont want to pay tel them dont whine. There's normal guild wars. Dont want to fight on a map without being spam killed/shopkilled/lesslag/ where there's more than one way to win than just bashing buttons then hey, your choice.

I wouldn't be too hasty on talking about brain power. Just because you got a few friends to pitch in 500 silvers doesn't mean your paying to enter the tournament.

10g is not an admission fee, its a fee to "hopefully" be randomly selected into the tournament. If your guild was not chosen...you and your friends just spent 500 silvers (or 10g total rather)....on nothing. Yeah that is smart!

[Icetra]

Like I said.

This is good for the other servers, but more likely, Legel won't be using this feature. Because there's not many people that can spend that kind of money. :/ High or low.

[yucina]

o-o
Zomg ewwww~
Well that totally ruined my good mood this morning! D<

[Rinsewind]

really carrying this PvP nonsense too far - bad enough the regular maps were nerfed to the extent that hardly anything is encountered except in AOE clumps - (take a stroll through sand hill map- it's a walk thru a park compared to what it USED to be ) I logged
into Elderine right after the patch was applied... first up in the chat box was a shout from a goldspammer followed by the tinkle-tinkle-tink of a notice of a "blow out" sale at the cash shop. No wonder I don't play the game as often as I first did - before it turned into an ignore the players- just get their cash oriented "game"

[Roseanna]

I logged
into Elderine right after the patch was applied... first up in the chat box was a shout from a goldspammer followed by the tinkle-tinkle-tink of a notice of a "blow out" sale at the cash shop.
I really, really wish there were a way to shut that off. It's loud, obnoxious, annoying, and I really never care what it has to say... unless it's about an event, or a warning about server shut-down, and it's usually not about either nowadays. At least give us a chance to shut the annoying sound off, if we can't shut off the text...

[Piercing_Blood]

o.o yea i see this game crashing in a few years or months due to a new P2P game releasing soon....

[Roseanna]

o.o yea i see this game crashing in a few years or months due to a new P2P game releasing soon....
I'm definitely willing to try out a P2P game instead of this constant money-sink. I think I know which game you're talking about but, PM me just in case it's a different one?

[UzumakiW]

Get a few guildies to toss some money your way for the fee to sign up for this. Depending on how many guild members you have and that are willing to help pay, it shouldn't be too bad. Otherwise, just stick to regular guild wars.

[Myn19]

P= it's implemented,we get to see how it works out,we'll judge then if it's worth it or not.
It might be just what we need to repair the economy without damaging it ,probably a very fun event for the high lvls(rich ppl) and sinks quite an amount of money.
And ppl get to watch :]
Let's see:

Registration cost is 10 gold per guild
16 teams will be chosen at random
40% of the entire registration fee is collected and rewarded to the 1st place guild. 20% will go to the guild that placed 2nd, and 5% will go to the two guilds that placed 3rd. 30% of the registration fee will be absorbed by the system.

If 16 guilds joined 1st place would get 64g,2nd 32g and the next two 8g.
48g is absorbed.
And much more if everyone doesn't make their own guild once they turn 40-60ish and join an already existent guild.

And let's not forget it's not a guild tournament but the guild tournament =P

EDIT 3:Max guild member limit is 100,if I were to aprox people able to come at that time to 80, each person would have to pay 125s,not that much now is it?
Why max guild members possible?Because I fail to see the logic of joining this knowing you don't have a chance at the top.
Even so you still have the option of joining if you don't mind either way.

EDIT:Just calculated how much each person gets if you win:
1st 800s
2nd 400s
3rds 100s

I think it's a great idea

EDIT 2:

I can imagine guild leader being too lazy to calculate how much the per person fee would be if 1,6,4,8,13 turned out to not be able to come so they'd ask who's kind enough to pay for them.You realise that means they get that person's share if they win right?
People complaining here fighting over who gets to pay the fee later.....hahahahahahahahahahaha

[link8265]

if this game turns into pvp it will lose ALL of its hype and progress becuase hell sum ppl wont pay the 15$ a month >> ittl lose about 60% of its players....really yea we need to shut off the damn announcements its ANNOYING AS ****!!!! and it spams my notice box cant tell when ppl are loggin on its bs

[salman.pisces]

P= it's implemented,we get to see how it works out,we'll judge then if it's worth it or not.
It might be just what we need to repair the economy without damaging it ,probably a very fun event for the high lvls(rich ppl) and sinks quite an amount of money.
And ppl get to watch :]
Let's see:



If 16 guilds joined 1st place would get 64g,2nd 32g and the next two 8g.
48g is absorbed.
And much more if everyone doesn't make their own guild once they turn 40-60ish and join an already existent guild.

And let's not forget it's not a guild tournament but the guild tournament =P

What's the max number of guild members possible so we can have an aprox of how much one person would have to pay?(aprox because some members might not be able to participate at that time)
I've made a wild guess and tried 80,turned out 24s500c >>.
Why max guild members possible?Because I fail to see the logic of joining this knowing you don't have a chance at the top.
Even so you still have the option of joining if you don't mind either way.

EDIT:Just calculated how much each person gets if you win,guess what?It isn't an amount comparable to the one person fee:

1st 800s
2nd 400s
3rds 100s

I think it's a great idea

EDIT 2:

I can imagine guild leader being too lazy to calculate how much the per person fee would be if 1,6,4,8,13 turned out to not be able to come so they'd ask who's kind enough to pay for them.You realise that means they get that person's share if they win right?
People complaining here fighting over who gets to pay the fee later.....hahahahahahahahahahaha

um 40% of 10g is 64g....(it said the entire registration fee)

also read this (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226084)
evaluation still incomplete...It only considers if all 16 guilds participate

and btw ,lets not get off topic shall we?

[bigj3234]

dnt u guys think thats to much 10gold just to participate in a Guild torny i mean wth 10gold for 60 min of fighting nah man thats way to much i see only the rich guilds participating :/ thx OS for making it so much gold just to dam participate....

As others have stated, you can have other people in your guild chip in. You have to have at least 10 members 20+ to even be allowed to enter. If all 10 participate, 1g each is not a big deal. Plus, only the larger guilds will join probably, as there is no member limit. If you can get 100 members to pay you 10s, that's the 10g, plus, you will almost definitely win if you have 100 people fighting.

lol man if i was u mike i wnt spend that much on a 1 HOUR fight in a stupid arena, when u can just have a FREE guild war.... whats the differance between normal GW and torny? well Torny = paying 10gold to get access of the arena and u get prizes(stupid prizes) and a normal GW u dnt have to PAY ANYTHING and have fun in the normal places u war at... so which would u choose one u pay 10gold ridiculous price or free GW(more fun in many cases)

The problem with a normal guild war, is it is almost always unexpected. So, you have 16 people from one guild fighting 2 people from another. Plus, it breaks Uruga sometimes.

maybe o.o but i hate the fact u pay so much D:< if it was 5g yes it would be fine but 50% more D:< to much... to much

Actually, 50% of 5g is 2.5g, so 50% more would be 7.5g. 10g is 100% more than 5g. And yet again, if a GUILD wants to participate, have each member that wants to participate chip in.

I really, really wish there were a way to shut that off. It's loud, obnoxious, annoying, and I really never care what it has to say... unless it's about an event, or a warning about server shut-down, and it's usually not about either nowadays. At least give us a chance to shut the annoying sound off, if we can't shut off the text...

That thing plays a sound? Never heard it. All sound set to off ftw.

[citcat21]

my personal thoughts on the guild tourny
1. too expensive for the newer servers cypion and legel
2. the concept seems fun with all the ways to win
3. why does money get absorbed i mean os can't use it for anything
4. since it's in beta it should be free or atleast WAY cheaper.
5. while i understand if there are more than 16 participants it is too difficult to set up a bracket but non refundable if you don't get to participate for that sum of money is a lil crazy.
6. I kind of see no reason why os can't fund the tournament anyway...maybe Having 20 members would prevent people from trying to solo the contest better.


questions:
How will they seed the brakcets will it be based on academy ranking, number of members, or what?
Do you get hearts like in a kq or is it if you don't get revved your done or is there a spawn point?
Is the monetary reward all we get?
What happens if fewer than 16 guilds wish to participate?

I'm sure i'll think of more things but that is what i have so far.

[Piercing_Blood]

*sigh* @bigj

u think u all that? this guild torny is just in BETA mode so it should be free or 50% off or sumthing really thing with ur brain if u have one....

[link8265]

my personal thoughts on the guild tourny
1. too expensive for the newer servers cypion and legel
2. the concept seems fun with all the ways to win
3. why does 48g get absorbed i mean os can't use it for anything
4. since it's in beta it should be free or atleast WAY cheaper.
5. while i understand if there are more than 16 participants it is too difficult to set up a bracket but non refundable if you don't get to participate for that some of money is a lil crazy.
6. I kind of see no reason why os can't fund the tournament anyway...maybe Having 20 members would prevent people from trying to solo the contest better.


questions:
How will they seed the brakcets will it be based on academy ranking, number of members, or what?
Do you get hearts like in a kq or is it if you don't get revved your done or is there a spawn point?
Is the monetary reward all we get?
What happens if fewer than 16 guilds wish to participate?

I'm sure i'll think of more things but that is what i have so far.

i like what this person said...lets see the spam of solutions and answers D< now

[bigj3234]

*sigh* @bigj

u think u all that? this guild torny is just in BETA mode so it should be free or 50% off or sumthing really thing with ur brain if u have one....

No. And why should it be cheaper because it's in Beta? I would LOVE to participate, and would pay the whole 10g myself, if the times weren't so late for me.

Also, the page states that 40% of the entire registration fee goes to the winners. So, if 100 guilds sign up, that's 10 gems. 40% of 10 gems is 4 gems. Certainly sounds worth it to me.

Oh, and by the way, just because my opinion is different (and I can do simple math) does not mean I do not have a brain.

[gordonmaster]

my personal thoughts on the guild tourny
1. too expensive for the newer servers cypion and legel
2. the concept seems fun with all the ways to win
3. why does 48g get absorbed i mean os can't use it for anything
4. since it's in beta it should be free or atleast WAY cheaper.
5. while i understand if there are more than 16 participants it is too difficult to set up a bracket but non refundable if you don't get to participate for that some of money is a lil crazy.
6. I kind of see no reason why os can't fund the tournament anyway...maybe Having 20 members would prevent people from trying to solo the contest better.


questions:
How will they seed the brakcets will it be based on academy ranking, number of members, or what?
Do you get hearts like in a kq or is it if you don't get revved your done or is there a spawn point?
Is the monetary reward all we get?
What happens if fewer than 16 guilds wish to participate?

I'm sure i'll think of more things but that is what i have so far.

I agree with the whole thing but my main issue is as follow


3. why does [money] get absorbed i mean os can't use it for anything


Seriously, that's good monies

[citcat21]

^^ true true should have worded it that ways editiing

[Myn19]

um 40% of 10g is 64g....(it said the entire registration fee)

o.0,precisely,entire,as in all,as in 40% of 160g if 16 guilds were to participate,
also,may i know why you started a new thread with my words on it and omitting some of them:

also read this (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226084)

Oh wait you posted it before I did >>
Hey since it didn't say just registered ppl and said entire doesn't that mean everyone who gave it a shot?o.o
So the sum gets bigger and bigger?@_@!And more money absorbed?XD




my personal thoughts on the guild tourny
1. too expensive for the newer servers cypion and legel

not really,I already explained in my post just a page before.

2. the concept seems fun with all the ways to win
3. why does 48g get absorbed i mean os can't use it for anything

.....already mentioned the poor economy,less money in the market without actualy deflating your wallet.

4. since it's in beta it should be free or atleast WAY cheaper.

I think the betas just as much about price decision as the rest of it lol

5. while i understand if there are more than 16 participants it is too difficult to set up a bracket but non refundable if you don't get to participate for that some of money is a lil crazy.

you don't give that much money,already explained again.

6. I kind of see no reason why os can't fund the tournament anyway...maybe Having 20 members would prevent people from trying to solo the contest better.


questions:
How will they seed the brakcets will it be based on academy ranking, number of members, or what?
Do you get hearts like in a kq or is it if you don't get revved your done or is there a spawn point?

Is the monetary reward all we get?
What happens if fewer than 16 guilds wish to participate?

I'm sure i'll think of more things but that is what i have so far.


Check here:http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/view/?id=zbn.8912



Guys,read the whole thread :(

In bold btw^

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

don't rag on it until you try it out.

I don't think this can be said enough.

Remember these so called top guild are not guaranteed a spot, so that means the more people joining in the guild tournament lessens the chances for all participants in the 16 available slots.

Yes 10g maybe an issue, however, this is a beta and OS is well aware of this, therefore is using this opportunity for positive feedback.

However there is one point that I agree with and that is the idea that since this is a beta that the price in some way should truly reflect this testing phase in order to get quality feedback. And I'll give you an example of where I am going with this, for instance, if I were allowing a group of people to test a product I don't think its fair to charge High price simply for testing the product and then reassure them that yes changes will be made after. Take it however you want it.

As for the other issues such as the nonrefundable investments, well, this is a risk vs reward type situation. But, the key to this risk vs reward situation is that the player or the guild master has the choice, yes choice in whether or not they will participate in this risk vs reward tournament.

I just stopped by to briefly and here is my two cents.

[Myn19]

Anyone know guild member limit yet?:/


EDIT:



However there is one point that I agree with and that is the idea that since this is a beta that the price in some way should truly reflect this testing phase in order to get quality feedback. And I'll give you an example of where I am going with this, for instance, if I were allowing a group of people to test a product I don't think its fair to charge High price simply for testing the product and then reassure them that yes changes will be made after. Take it however you want it.


I understand,but what I meant was that I don't think they will lower the price unless it proved neccesary.

[bigj3234]

Anyone know guild member limit yet?:/
...


There isn't one.

There is no limit to the amount of players that can participate in each match, which means that guild strength and organization will be crucial to success.

[Myn19]

There isn't one.

....Seems you're not aware that in news it was refering to the lack of guild representatives,the whole guild can participate.
My question is when does the system answer to your invitation to someone on joining your guild that the max limit was reached so you're unable to invite any more until someone leaves?
If you tell me that's unlimited don't mind if I pop my eyes out wipe them with a napkin and look again ok?

[citcat21]

@myn19
I did read the whole thread by the way thank you muchly and i understand simple math as well as the next person.

I've done my share of beta testing and honestly have never had to pay to do it. (And we all know most of the players that do chose to participate are going to spend a good chunk of money on cs pots, cookie packs, and charms so why pay twice)

and it does affect the new servers more most guilds don't have more than 20 people able to participate or willing to contribute so that is 500s a person IF 20 guild members donate. Which is still a LOT of money on the new servers.

And looking back it seems your math is flawed but what ever because 24.5 s donated by 80 people is only 1.96 g
thanks for attacking me.

also think if someone donates for another guild member and the guild earns a prize then the money should repay everyone who donated for the entry fee and the left over should be divided equally because EVERYONE helped win.

[queencatstarr]

I can only see the bigger guilds doing this. The guild I am in I am the highest level at 88 and I am a cleric, not much for fighting there. Except for my husband, every body else is 65 and below. It would be crazy for us to waste 10g to fight guilds who have most of their members lvl 80+. Though it sounds like it would be fun, unless they could make the matches on equal footing I think it would be a waste of time and money.

[Myn19]

@myn19
I did read the whole thread by the way thank you muchly and i understand simple math as well as the next person.

If you indeed read the whole thread why didn't you correct me in that post?o.0
And believe it or not :( wasn't sarcastic,I'm arrogant enough to think that once I post something on an important thread I should have feedback,if I see someone ask/talk about something that I've already discussed in my post it makes me believe they haven't read it.

I've done my share of beta testing and honestly have never had to pay to do it. (And we all know most of the players that do chose to participate are going to spend a good chunk of money on cs pots, cookie packs, and charms so why pay twice)

I believe this has earned the name of beta to warn us of technical difficulties and that they're willing to make changes to better fit our version without us needing to rant and rave as much as with the tower.It was in perfect condition before we asked for the change in max pties entering,it shouldn't have been left like it was originaly though simply because we needed that feature altered.

and it does affect the new servers more most guilds don't have more than 20 people able to participate or willing to contribute so that is 500s a person IF 20 guild members donate. Which is still a LOT of money on the new servers.

Exactly,there are multiple guilds,now they have a reason to merge and decrease the ridiculous amount of inactive guilds or 5-10 ppl guilds.

And looking back it seems your math is flawed but what ever because 24.5 s donated by 80 people is only 1.96 g
thanks for attacking me.

I do not *attack*,it seems you believe that if you don't agree with somebody you should keep it in unless you want to start all out war against them.
I may have a patronising tone though,don't give me opportunities.
I do make mistakes in math more often than the average person lol
But that can't be right,if i were to aprox to 25s I reach 2g with just 8 people.
You used a calculator right?When I used one i got the same result but you forget the fiesta money sistem: 1.000c=1s
100s=1g

also think if someone donates for another guild member and the guild earns a prize then the money should repay everyone who donated for the entry fee and the left over should be divided equally because EVERYONE helped win.

You missed something I said,there's a specific time you need to be there,if ppl can't make it they haven't contributed.
And yes you get over the sum you paid for the fee.


In bold again^

[citcat21]

Exactly,there are multiple guilds,now they have a reason to merge and decrease the ridiculous amount of inactive guilds or 5-10 ppl guilds.
um yeah s obviously unaware of how the new servers area atm so i'm just going to let you think how you want on this one.

I do not *attack*,it seems you believe that if you don't agree with somebody you should keep it in unless you want to start all out war against them.
I may have a patronising tone though,don't give me opportunities.
well it seemed that your comments did nothing to justify your reasons hence an attack and not logical debate.

I do make mistakes in math more often than the average person lol
But that can't be right,if i were to aprox to 25s I reach 2g with just 8 people.
You used a calculator right?When I used one i got the same result but you forget the fiesta money sistem: 1.000c=1s
100s=1g

if 100s=1g then why did i just buy a mace for 350s and not 3.5g think about it and get back to me

[Kyo_Sama]

my only issue with it is the lacking return on the investment.

If the POT of 160g or 1.6gems was actually split ( assuming 16 teams enter) starting at place and going to show at the least it would be worth it. Currently your Guildmaster Exchanges points with a vendor.... well thats great but what of the other members in the guild. Hopefully theres a decent reward choice to nullify the lacking of a cash payout to the winning, 2nd, 3rd, 4th place guilds.


ON the ever so brightside of patches, Hello Production boost city :D:D:D

[bigj3234]

....Seems you're not aware that in news it was refering to the lack of guild representatives,the whole guild can participate.
My question is when does the system answer to your invitation to someone on joining your guild that the max limit was reached so you're unable to invite any more until someone leaves?
If you tell me that's unlimited don't mind if I pop my eyes out wipe them with a napkin and look again ok?

Huh?

Everyone in guild can participate, so there is no member limit.

The guild system limits each guild to 100 members. After you sign up for the tournament, you cannot add members nor can a member leave. I suppose the system would tell you as much if you tried to do either?

Edit:

my only issue with it is the lacking return on the investment.

If the POT of 160g or 1.6gems was actually split ( assuming 16 teams enter) starting at place and going to show at the least it would be worth it. Currently your Guildmaster Exchanges points with a vendor.... well thats great but what of the other members in the guild. Hopefully theres a decent reward choice to nullify the lacking of a cash payout to the winning, 2nd, 3rd, 4th place guilds.

Well, it reads such that were 100 guilds to join, they pay 10g each, which amounts to 10 gems. So the winning Guild Master is awarded 4 gems, 2nd place I think gets 2, 3rd place get 50g each. Remaining 3 gems go away.

ON the ever so brightside of patches, Hello Production boost city :D:D:D
<off topic>
They raised production points?
</off topic>

[Icetra]

Myn, I know what you're trying to say, but...

Cypion and Legel basically need their money for other things than PvP. Which is why not many guilds would be participating in the tournament.

Chipping in is still fine, but again...every penny counts. :p

[Kyo_Sama]

Huh?

Well, it reads such that were 100 guilds to join, they pay 10g each, which amounts to 10 gems. So the winning Guild Master is awarded 4 gems, 2nd place I think gets 2, 3rd place get 50g each. Remaining 3 gems go away.


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They raised production points?
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1st point, Where did you read that, because i read the article and it mentioned nothing about a cash payout.

Nvm: After the tournament ends, 40% of the entire registration fee is collected and rewarded to the 1st place guild. 20% will go to the guild that placed 2nd, and 5% will go to the two guilds that placed 3rd. 30% of the registration fee will be absorbed by the system. The 16 chosen teams can be confirmed by visiting Guild Manager and selecting "Guild Tournament >> Schedule or View participant". Schedule can also be confirmed via the Guild information tab from the Community window which can be opened by pressing F.

that wasnt there last night when i read it. Good fix or addition.

However its still could mean a less than even payout if you dont have 4 more guilds join for that week.




2nd No the points havent been boosted however, in the long run with guilds spending as much as 10g a trip they will either be forced to 1) Have a few dedicated members that value their skills (Prod) OR Consume the Market searching for Mats/Products they need to be at 100% for the battles.

So in a round about way it increases the Value of production. And since the times are set in stone you can even Merchant easily, Buy Low Sell high day of the events. Notable day 1 fights where all 16 teams are still in it would be the best day to sell. However one could fleece the market on the last day by providing a false shortage or pretending to undervalue there items to sell more for less.

/end economic rant

[Rzpect]

Simple Solution:
- Don't bother with the GT if you have no money.

and 10g is cheap if u hv 50+ members who are 85+ each put in 500s or 1g if they want to participate.

[Myn19]

Exactly,there are multiple guilds,now they have a reason to merge and decrease the ridiculous amount of inactive guilds or 5-10 ppl guilds.
um yeah s obviously unaware of how the new servers area atm so i'm just going to let you think how you want on this one.

right right

I do not *attack*,it seems you believe that if you don't agree with somebody you should keep it in unless you want to start all out war against them.
I may have a patronising tone though,don't give me opportunities.
well it seemed that your comments did nothing to justify your reasons hence an attack and not logical debate.

If you say so

I do make mistakes in math more often than the average person lol
But that can't be right,if i were to aprox to 25s I reach 2g with just 8 people.
You used a calculator right?When I used one i got the same result but you forget the fiesta money sistem: 1.000c=1s
100s=1g

if 100s=1g then why did i just buy a mace for 350s and not 3.5g think about it and get back to me

o.0,hmm,yeah you're right it wasn't like that :/
And it took,what,0.1 sec to figure that out?
You didn't say anything especialy complicated or enlightening so idc why i should *think about it*.
That sucks,I guess I'll be happy sticking to my storage guild after all.
I wonder if I should edit my post so it doesn’t mislead somebody or just let them read on to find out…



The guild system limits each guild to 100 members.

Finaly!

Underlined^

EDIT: Per person fee is 125s now but the rewards have remained the same......I have selective math lmao.
It isn't as bad as I thought,less than getting ready for a succesful md.

*away as of now,will return tommorow*

[missinglnk]

Just passin through but to me it seems like this is mainly just a higher leveled/big guild tourney, since high levels seem to get shafted when it comes to new things. Yes at first glance 10g seems like a ton, but realistically you should have some kind of money making system going on as your levels get higher due to equipment getting more and more expensive.
- Also, mainly from what I've previously read the 10g is often compared to 10 people, more people participating=less money chipped in blah blah blah but then there is the issue of the payout if you DO win. From what I understand so far that is left up to the guild master assuming they screenied everyone who participated. I would say that it should be an automatic reward but theres the problem of people chipping in extra to cover the entry cost.
- 40% absorbed by OS...0.o why is there a need to absorb unless there is a chance of it being later given as a bonus or prize, but dont get my hopes up >.> If there are no plans for the 40% then I think it should stay in the pool, or if you absolutely HAVE to take something out leave it at 1g per team who entered, same as guild creation fee.
- Just another way to guild war? Am I the only one who hates being in a guild war against like 2 people who hide and go seek on all the maps
- Since OS has asked for feedback, Id like to say that level divisions would be a good idea, a little more work but a bit better, listen to my rushed example before shooting it down due to punctuation, spelling, not fully explained, etc
Example: These are the divisions, lvls 20-39, 40-59, 60 and up(or combine 1 or 2 of these), then a free level division like there is now. Also possibly since there most likely will be a more spread out guild list, reduce the tourney amount from 16 to about 14, 3rd team in semi decided by the most points in the previous bout.
Then since there are diff divisions, there should also be a diff amount prize pool/entry fee for each. Greatest pool going to the free level division(maybe that some of that phantom 40%), greatest risk gives the greatest reward right? The 20-39 div should have the lowest enrollment fee, maybe 500s, hence the most applicants imo but since no refunds, the leftovers contribute to the grand pot/pots. Yeah yeah I know an issue is how is one guild going to join multiple divisions and what would each pay, I haven't thought that far yet, maybe later tonight. This just popped up in my head when thinking about multiple times when Ive seen entire guilds not be able to bring down a 1 person guild, pretty hilarious but idk how the response might be when multiple people realize there is absolutely no chance of them winning after punching out 10g. Dont join if you arent aiming for the top? Well yeah true but I'd hate to think that places like Epith only have like 6 big guilds joining the tourney since everyone gave up beforehand. There is only so far someones hope can go before reality kicks in.
- Since my laptop is unexpectedly overheating I have no chance of participating immediately but I would like to know how the "hold the flag" positions work, does it just need one person alive from each team to be a conflicted zone, requiring the kill of one team or another in a specific area to claim it as yours? Idk, now that I think about it OS might just be meaning things to tweak with the current tourney so I'm late to class for no reason ^_^
Either way I wanna hear how the tourney turned out, ESPECIALLY if it turns out to be more than just a stand still and spam skills(not that im saying higher levels are like this, just that most of the time I find alot of pvp boring). Holla

- Almost forgot to add that yeah despite what I said above, 10g for a beta might be a tiny bit much if glitches ruin the whole experience, aight till tonight

[nlha1981]

No. And why should it be cheaper because it's in Beta? I would LOVE to participate, and would pay the whole 10g myself, if the times weren't so late for me.

Also, the page states that 40% of the entire registration fee goes to the winners. So, if 100 guilds sign up, that's 10 gems. 40% of 10 gems is 4 gems. Certainly sounds worth it to me.

Oh, and by the way, just because my opinion is different (and I can do simple math) does not mean I do not have a brain.

- Let see how many time you can pay 10g. This is long run system not an event.
- Don't forget pay 10g doesnt mean your guild is selected to play.
- There is no such thing as 100 guilds reg for that when they know only top guilds in server can win unless they are wishing that top guilds are not selected.

Some ppl say it is easy for each guild member donate abit to make up a sum of 10g, it is correct but how many of you actually see all guild members donate to make up academy storage? And how many gold do your academy have?

And again this is BETA why make ppl pay to test for you? Just like when you go to super market and someone say, if you pay $10 you can test our new bugger. For me I wouldn't, why I need to waste my money to test for someone, just go in store and buy the bugger which I like.

[bigj3234]

- Let see how many time you can pay 10g. This is long run system not an event.
- Don't forget pay 10g doesnt mean your guild is selected to play.
- There is no such thing as 100 guilds reg for that when they know only top guilds in server can win unless they are wishing that top guilds are not selected.

Some ppl say it is easy for each guild member donate abit to make up a sum of 10g, it is correct but how many of you actually see all guild members donate to make up academy storage? And how many gold do your academy have?

And again this is BETA why make ppl pay to test for you? Just like when you go to super market and someone say, if you pay $10 you can test our new bugger. For me I wouldn't, why I need to waste my money to test for someone, just go in store and buy the bugger which I like.

I'm sure plenty of guilds will register, and the top 4 will at the least break even. Guilds are not necessarily concerned about academies.

I do not give anything for my guild's academy, but I give plenty to other guild members. I will not be able to participate due to timing, but if asked I would certainly give up some g's so the rest of the guild could.

It is different to pay $10 to test something than it is to pay 10g to try something out. It's all pixels, man. :p

[nlha1981]

$10 = you work in real life to earn it
10g = you work in game to earn it
So I dont see any difference, in both case you have to spend your time to earn it. And the question is remain how many time you pay 10g for your own joy. This is not an event, it is long run system.

Also not everyone in a guild like PvP.

[salman.pisces]

$10 = you work in real life to earn it
10g = you work in game to earn it
So I dont see any difference, in both case you have to spend your time to earn it. And the question is remain how many time you pay 10g for your own joy. This is not an event, it is long run system.

Also not everyone in a guild like PvP.

they made it so because a lot of people cant pay even though they earn it
also if 10 people pay together,it's 100s each which is 40 minutes of play at 70x abyss with a level 59 fighter wh also has a +9 2h sword

but i kinda find it weird to divide 10$ into 10(*pffffffffffft*)
even if people did so,not many can use credit cards or have sparkcards in their country.I cant get sparkcash myself.10g is not really a bad cost(5g is better.less than that and dozens of guilds will participate and youll be lucky if you get to enter)
(I know that you wont pay for those who can pay in IG money but cant in real cash)

besides that,this is how the Korean version had it and if you didn't know it yet,all things in this version come from the Korean version.like bigj3234 said,its all pixels man XD

[nlha1981]

they made it so because a lot of people cant pay even though they earn it
also if 10 people pay together,it's 100s each which is 40 minutes of play at 70x abyss with a level 59 fighter wh also has a +9 2h sword


10*100s=1g not 10g

Also in your table here: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226084
If only 1 guild join the gold lost is 6g because there is no one to get 2nd or 3rd place. Same as if only 2 guilds join, there is no 3rd place.

Korean version has it doesnt mean they put same amount of 10g, the system on all Fiesta versions must be the same but the amount setting can be changed by Host company like NPC price ingame...

[sinbaby]

lol its 10g for the korean version too

[nlha1981]

lol its 10g for the korean version too

I said doesnt mean they have too not say they are not. And we cannot and will never can compare to korean version.

[soren95800]

If u ask me it should be 5g becuase the prize amount would still be big and wouldnt be so much :3!

[Rinsewind]

what if this will replace 'free' guild wars? after all- the dances that were replaced are now available... for a price. looks like now you'll be able to war.... for a price

[bigj3234]

$10 = you work in real life to earn it
10g = you work in game to earn it
So I dont see any difference, in both case you have to spend your time to earn it. And the question is remain how many time you pay 10g for your own joy. This is not an event, it is long run system.

Also not everyone in a guild like PvP.

This is a horrible analogy. A T4 enhancer makes 20+ gold for one item. I don't know about you, but I've yet to find a way to buy $10 with 10g......

And if you don't like PvP, you do not have to participate (or donate) in the Tournament.

Edit: Well, I kind of proved my own point wrong with the enhancer analogy. But still, you cannot compare game money with real money.

[salman.pisces]

10*100s=1g not 10g

Also in your table here: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226084
If only 1 guild join the gold lost is 6g because there is no one to get 2nd or 3rd place. Same as if only 2 guilds join, there is no 3rd place.

Korean version has it doesn't mean they put same amount of 10g, the system on all Fiesta versions must be the same but the amount setting can be changed by Host company like NPC price in game...

i am well aware that 10*100s=1g not 10g.What I mean is that you earn more at even higher levels so the money is not a problem

and for the possibility of 1 guild joining,the table actually does show that 6g is lost.add up the money lost in 2nd and 3rd place.(2nd and 3rd place rewards are also colored orange meaning the money is lost)

The new stuff that you see in this version is brought in from the Korean version(which is the first and original version and every new thing comes into that version first).Outspark doesn't really decide what to do with the systems.The developers(OnOnsSoft) do.OS tells them what to implement and then the developers decide whether to implement it or not.
Just like the new dances.OS wanted them to be permanent but the developers did not allow it.

[prasss]

Its cheap ._.
You have to have is it 10? or 20?+ members to join
thats 1g or 500s each.. most high lvls earn 10g anyway easily without much time or effort, lets face it, its not fun to kill noobs at high lvl, so keep price same, guildwars and raids are the only thing to do endgame which is remotely fun, even though now raids are way too easy ._. so we're left with guildwars... let the strong fight and have some fun for a change.

[zephyr_wind]

My guild is large enough that we could give a small portion of our individual IG savings to equal out to 10g. My only issue with this is the time in which the tournament actually happens and the fact that those who register might not even be able to participate. I'm sure there is a more suitable time that can be good for a wider range of time zones and as for the registration thing, it should be a system where those guilds that have registered but didn't make the cut for that week is carried over to the next week. That way they don't have to continue investing money weekly.

[nlha1981]

@salman: lol ofc I know that we have to follow the game code provided by korean version but the content can be edited by host company such as price... GM also mention that on other topic price can be changed.

@bigj3234: how many of T4 enhancer in each server? A guild is combination of alot of ppl (rich and poor), I wonder how long can rich ppl in guild can cover up this fee.

@all: even if it is free to join I wont join either because I dont like PvP, just give my opinion about the fee are too high and most of guild in all servers cant affort it. For me I prefer a Guild PvP system free just for fun like we have now guild war. Or Siege War like I post on other topic.

[bigj3234]

I know on Teva is hard to find T4 enhancer. However, I was just using that as an example. I don't particularly like PvP, but I enjoy mutual guild wars. I would love to see them disable CS items for this.

Bottom line, 10g is not that much currency considering every participant should be pitching in.

[xXTheSilentHeroXx]

@salman: lol ofc I know that we have to follow the game code provided by korean version but the content can be edited by host company such as price... GM also mention that on other topic price can be changed.

@bigj3234: how many of T4 enhancer in each server? A guild is combination of alot of ppl (rich and poor), I wonder how long can rich ppl in guild can cover up this fee.

@all: even if it is free to join I wont join either because I dont like PvP, just give my opinion about the fee are too high and most of guild in all servers cant affort it. For me I prefer a Guild PvP system free just for fun like we have now guild war. Or Siege War like I post on other topic.

you know you can just press reply to the person you're going to talk to... it's better than saying "@nlha:"

[nlha1981]

you know you can just press reply to the person you're going to talk to... it's better than saying "@nlha:"

I do know that but I dont want to quote coz it will make my reply look long

[Angels]

Ever thought about sharing the cost? It doesn't have to be the guild master responsibility and any guild which has any sort of organization and decent user base should be able to manage.

[Myn19]

you know you can just press reply to the person you're going to talk to... it's better than saying "@nlha:"

ahh,but that would make it so people like citcat couldn't pretend to not have heard some parts of my posts =P

[kr4ut]

10g is ok its not much ... if u have 20 member who take part in .... thats 500s /each person

[siblyx]

10g is ok its not much ... if u have 20 member who take part in .... thats 500s /each person

Actually it isn't u may not be picked and no refunds so i say it's way to expensive.

[Sybraton]

Its called flushing the economy of excess money. deal with it.

[FrostyFruit]

10g seems ok because if it were less then there will be a less of a chance to even enter. If it was 5g, there will be a lot more guilds entering and much more will be losing money. Though, it's all speculation.

Also, guild wars are not my thing, so it's a choice just like abyss.