10g is actually worth it of you win the tournament(or are 2nd or 3rd place)

[salman.pisces]

Seems the requirement was changed to 5g...
This thread just became useless.
First of all,do you know that Outspark is considering suspending the use of charms and sparkcash mounts during the tournament?Let's all be thankful for that and hope it happens.

PLEASE NOTE:This system is still in beta testing.This means that the registration fee can be changed.It is still unconfirmed if charms and movers will be allowed or not as well as the limit for the number of participating guild members and if there will be a level limit or not.

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Now, let me explain it clearly for those who did not read/understand the announcement properly:

IF 14 guilds participate and the registration fees is 10g each.
10g X 14 = 140g
1st place gets 40% of the TOTAL registration fees(which is 140g)
since 40% of 140 actually is 56, YOU RECEIVE 56g and 100 tickets!
2nd place gets20% of the TOTAL registration fees(which is 140g)
since 20% of 140 is actually 28,YOU RECEIVE 28g and 20 tickets!
3rd place gets 5% of the TOTAL registration fee(which is 140g)
since 5% of 140 is 7,YOU RECEIVE 7g(you still lost 3g) and 3 tickets!
42g goes to nowhere/oblivion/gets destroyed/will cease to exist,etc...
other participants win nothing T.T
meaning,DON'T PARTICIPATE IF YOUR"S IS A NEWBIE GUILD(trust me,10g is a big loss for newbies)!


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A table showing all 16 possible outcomes of the tournament
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|guilds| total fee| 1st place| 2nd place| 3rd place|lost money|
|-------|----------|------------|-------------|------------|-------------|
| 16 - | -160g - | -- 64g -- | -- 32g -- | -- 08g -- | --- 48g --- |
| 15 - | -150g - | -- 60g -- | -- 30g -- | -- 7.5g - | --- 45g --- |
| 14 - | -140g - | -- 56g -- | -- 28g -- | -- 07g -- | --- 42g --- |
| 13 - | -130g - | -- 52g -- | -- 26g -- | -- 6.5g - | --- 39g --- |
| 12 - | -120g - | -- 48g -- | -- 14g -- | -- 06g -- | --- 36g --- |
| 11 - | -110g - | -- 44g -- | -- 22g -- | -- 5.5g - | --- 33g --- |
| 10 - | -100g - | -- 40g -- | -- 20g -- | -- 05g -- | --- 30g --- |
| 09 - | -090g - | -- 36g -- | -- 18g -- | -- 4.5g - | --- 27g --- |
| 08 - | -080g - | -- 32g -- | -- 16g -- | -- 04g -- | --- 24g --- |
| 07 - | -070g - | -- 28g -- | -- 14g -- | -- 3.5g - | --- 21g --- |
| 06 - | -060g - | -- 24g -- | -- 12g -- | -- 03g -- | --- 18g --- |
| 05 - | -050g - | -- 20g -- | -- 10g -- | -- 2.5g - | --- 15g --- |
| 04 - | -040g - | -- 16g -- | -- 08g -- | -- 02g -- | --- 12g --- |
| 03 - | -030g - | -- 12g -- | -- 06g -- | -- 1.5g - | --- 09g --- |
| 02 - | -020g - | -- 08g -- | -- 04g -- | -- 01g -- | --- 06g --- |
| 01 - | -010g - | -- 04g -- | -- 02g -- | -- 0.5g - | --- 03g --- |
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KEY:
You get more money than you pay and 100 tickets(profit).
You get some of the money you pay and 20 tickets(loss).
you get all of the money you paid and 3 tickets(but you lose time).
Money no one gets.(destroyed money)
please note that there are two third places.

if your position is not mentioned,it means you lost all of the money you paid(i.e, 10g).


VERY IMPORTANT:If you were the only person who participated,you get the first position which means that you receive points as well which can be used to purchase items from 'Guild Item Merchant' in Roumen.

Guild Item Merchant

The guild Item merchant can be found in Roumen.
Items can be bought using tickets won from the tournament.
you get 100 for 1st place,20 for 2nd and 3 for 3rd.
The following items are currently sold:

3 items are currently available(7 - day versions):
Fighter's silver ring(3 tokens): +5%Def,+5%M.Def,+3%Aim,+3%Eva
Fighter's gold ring(5 tokens): +5%Def,+5%M.Def,+5%Aim,+5%Eva
Fighter's aquamarine Neck(10 tokens): +5% attack,+5% M.attack

Don't worry about the names,they are for all classes and all levels

You can apparently withdraw tokens from the guild tournament storage which must mean that the points are in fact tokens(some kind of items)

Watching the battles as 3rd person or member:

Players CAN watch the battles by clicking on the guild names in the schedule(only when they are taking place)
You can in no way,interact with the tournament's participants or talk to them

Prize Inventory:

the Prize inventory can be accessed through any Guild manager by pressing the 'Prize' button in the Guild Tournament Menu.The Inventory contains the rewards you get for getting the first 3 positions in the tournament.Gold can be withdrawn by pressing the withdraw button and tokens can be withdrawn just the way items can be withdrawn from the storage.Tokens are used to buy items from guild item merchant.


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For those worrying about 30% of the fee going to waste,keep in mind that it maintains/improves the economy(how?you must have some knowledge of economics!well anyway,as the amount of money in Isya lessens,prices go down,meaning things aren't really that expensive anymore=better economy)

I repeat:Please read the announcements properly before flaming Outspark!

I hope i answered the people asking what is the difference Between guild wars and tournaments.

For those who want the registration fee to be reduced by 50%you are also asking for the reward money to be reduced by 50%(err..this means you want the rewards to be halved)!

Please note that any announcement relating to new content can only be correct if it is from the Outspark staff.
For information on what is to come,please visit the outspark page'http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/development'.
For information on possible changes to the guild tournament system,please visit the thread 'http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226162'.

Important quote:
I'm putting a sticky list up for reference. I'll post the common issues everyone seems to agree on, but don't worry we'll read them all.


1. System is "too expensive"

Things to keep in mind:

- We do not collect the money, nor do we have a use for it, it's simply to maintain the economy
- Costs were created in order to create a pool for the winner
- Costs were one thing that was talked about, which ranged from making it cost nothing to 20. It's in beta for a reason, to test the cost as well as the system. The price may change soon.

2. Maximum player amount may be too high for each match

- A limit of 20-30 has been recommended

3. The use of cash shop items during match times should be suspended. This includes mounts and charms.

4. Match times should be adjusted to cater to all of US audience.

5. Guild limit should be set to 16 people maximum.

- This was suggested to avoid loss of money in case a guild is not chosen to participate.


this still needs updating and fixing.correct me or tell me if something is wrong,missing or needs
explaining!I have greatly improved this thanks to a lot of people
ill update it soon(when im not busy or when I'm done with sleeping)

[Piercing_Blood]

and what if u dnt win anything WASTE OF MONEY FTL so yea not a good idea OS made....

[link8265]

why make a new thread -_- just post it in the other >> fail

[salman.pisces]

and what if u dnt win anything WASTE OF MONEY FTL so yea not a good idea OS made....

well this tournament is NOT for noob guilds.DON'T PARTICIPATE IF YOU CANT WIN!

why make a new thread -_- just post it in the other >> fail

because many of the people don't read all the posts?(proof:most people's posts are similar/same)

[link8265]

because many of the people dont read all the posts?(proof:most people's posts are similar/same)

......that's cause its about the topic ya know...that's what its SUPPOSED TO BE GOD....and i thought i was slow >> like really and yes ppl DO read your post just because your not replied to don't mean ppl don't read it...sum ppl just have nothing to say >>

[salman.pisces]

......that's cause its about the topic ya know...that's what its SUPPOSED TO BE GOD....and i thought i was slow >> like really and yes ppl DO read your post just because your not replied to don't mean ppl don't read it...sum ppl just have nothing to say >>

yes,people do read the posts but not all of them...sometimes I don't read all of them either or post anything when a solution to the problem or whatever is already given...

[link8265]

yes,people do read the posts but not all of them...sometimes I don't read all of them either or post anything when a solution to the problem or whatever is already given...

well thats just lazy and selfish lol i read everything >> i like being informed with many possibilities just because you dont do something dont mean the other ...i think 9 ppl not playing the game ( lol) do >>

[drigr_x]

16 guilds wont join due to the fact that only like 5 or so guilds are good enough to stand a chance...

[salman.pisces]

16 guilds wont join due to the fact that only like 5 or so guilds are good enough to stand a chance...

hmmm...ill try to calculate that too

[drigr_x]

Well that's 50g. 5g goes bye bye. Another 5 total goes to third and third. 20g goes to first. I think. I dun have the %s in front of me

[link8265]

Well that's 50g. 5g goes bye bye. Another 5 total goes to third and third. 20g goes to first. I think. I dun have the %s in front of me

and this is why your in my <3 list >> you own XD

[NightRyda]

From all registrations, not just the 16 guilds. Even the guilds that dont make the 16, their money is included in the prize.

I dont think there wil be 16 guilds competing. Maybe just for the first week because people want to see what its like. After that, it'll be the same guilds over and over. Pretty obvious who will win in Apoline.

[link8265]

From all registrations, not just the 16 guilds. Even the guilds that dont make the 16, their money is included in the prize.

I dont think there wil be 16 guilds competing. Maybe just for the first week because people want to see what its like. After that, it'll be the same guilds over and over. Pretty obvious who will win in Apoline.

everyone will want a glance..then ittl die out lol

[ras-blackfire]

good job making a new thread about it XD most ppl dont understand x3 so tnx

ppl will join it anyways

[link8265]

good job making a new thread about it XD most ppl dont understand x3 so tnx

ppl will join it anyways

lol i know necro much? and as i said probly once just to see it

[ras-blackfire]

lol i know necro much? and as i said probly once just to see it

x3 i think alot of ppl wanne join just to chek it out =P maybe if they joined once and realy like it more ppl will join o.O
hmm i realy wonder xD... ill wait and see how this will end :3

[link8265]

x3 i think alot of ppl wanne join just to chek it out =P maybe if they joined once and realy like it more ppl will join o.O
hmm i realy wonder xD... ill wait and see how this will end :3

yea once to check it out and say "10g isnt worth this" works for me :D

[citcat21]

YES,the 10g actually is worth it.Don't you guys at least try to understand what announcements OS makes?

Let me explain it clearly for those who did not read/understand the announcement properly:

16 guilds will participate and the registration fees is 10g each.
10g X 16 = 160g

3rd place gets 5% of the TOTAL registration fee(which is 160g)
since 5% of 160 is 8,YOU WIN 8g!


or come in 3rd and lose 2g because you paid 10 to play >.<

[gigibunny]

or come in 3rd and lose 2g because you paid 10 to play >.<

YESSSSS!!!! Or be an 'unlucky' guild not to be chosen and still epically lose x.x for no money back and no participation would be faiiilllllll

[yucina]

I truly don't think 10g is worth it. Dx
A lot of guilds are poor, so only the big mainstream guilds would get to enjoy this new system. :(

[citcat21]

and sometimes not even them

[Icetra]

Just came here to say this.

Do not mix 'Noob' and 'Newb' together. My guild mates wouldn't have the money or power for this...

Does that make us a 'Noob' guild?

Fix your words before you say anything.

Edit: I DOUBT any of the guilds will waste their money when they need it for leveling, so more likely, it would be a loss in Legel. Good for other servers, but not good for us... :/.

[gigibunny]

Just came here to say this.

Do not mix 'Noob' and 'Newb' together. My guild mates wouldn't have the money or power for this...

Does that make us a 'Noob' guild?

Fix your words before you say anything.

lol if you don't have the money then no participation for you :( and sadly u just came here to distinguish to the OP between 'noob' and 'newb'.. that could have been done via PM's ;)

[Icetra]

Hence why I made a edit after scanning the first post again.

I'm just saying. Money the same way, but as well power. On Legel, it would be a waste because there won't be many guilds that will participate. (I can think of...3 or 4 guilds.)

Don't you think your words could've been made into PM form? o.o;

[yucina]

Just came here to say this.

Do not mix 'Noob' and 'Newb' together. My guild mates wouldn't have the money or power for this...

Does that make us a 'Noob' guild?

Fix your words before you say anything.

Edit: I DOUBT any of the guilds will waste their money when they need it for leveling.

You would be surprised to see who would actually pay that. And imagine all the money the winners would get. =/
It'd be well worth it to the winners. Zomg. -drools-
It just sucks for the lower lvl guilds. It wont be fair for the rest of them.

[tmtizzle]

The price is rediculous. They're just trying to get rid of some in game money, because the tower has put way to much of it in the market. thats why 30% of it just goes poof

[gigibunny]

true for the two newest servers but nevertheless it will go on ... and yes I think u distinguishing to the OP of your complaint of the two words could have been taken to PM's ;)

[Icetra]

The same with you, Gigi. :p

But if you knew me well, you would know when things irk me, I go for it. I guess that's my fault, so I apologize to it.

But my opinion still stays the same.

@Yuci: And think about it...if not many guilds are going to join, the prize would be low. It wouldn't be worth the time and money to use that feature. *Me Complaining* It's hard enough for me to make my own money, AND funds for my academy. :/

[queencatstarr]

From all registrations, not just the 16 guilds. Even the guilds that dont make the 16, their money is included in the prize.

I dont think there wil be 16 guilds competing. Maybe just for the first week because people want to see what its like. After that, it'll be the same guilds over and over. Pretty obvious who will win in Apoline.

I think that the 16 guilds will be picked and any others that did not get picked will go into the next week's tournament..and I agree its pretty obvious who will win on Apoline. Which is why I hope my guild does not participate.

[salman.pisces]

or come in 3rd and lose 2g because you paid 10 to play >.<

lol I'll fix that XD

I truly don't think 10g is worth it. Dx
A lot of guilds are poor, so only the big mainstream guilds would get to enjoy this new system. :(

true

Just came here to say this.

Do not mix 'Noob' and 'Newb' together. My guild mates wouldn't have the money or power for this...

Does that make us a 'Noob' guild?

Fix your words before you say anything.

Edit: I DOUBT any of the guilds will waste their money when they need it for leveling, so more likely, it would be a loss in Legel. Good for other servers, but not good for us... :/.

ah,sorry,sorry!I'll fix that too!I never meant any offense!I might have said noob but i meant newb...All newbs on Epith are refereed to as noobs so I'm not really sure what it means


lol if you don't have the money then no participation for you :( and sadly u just came here to distinguish to the OP between 'noob' and 'newb'.. that could have been done via PM's ;)

I don't think I'd really like that...its better to say it right on the forum...

I think that the 16 guilds will be picked and any others that did not get picked will go into the next week's tournament..and I agree its pretty obvious who will win on Apoline. Which is why I hope my guild does not participate.

For some reason,I think that the guilds simply wont be able to enter and will have to participate the next week.They will however still lose the 10g and will also be unable to enter.The 10g will go to the prize pool.Meaning that if 100 guilds enter,the prize pool will be 1000g,1st place gets 400g,2nd place gets 200g 3rd place gets 50g and 300g goes to oblivion

anyway,the announcement says a guild will be released soon.I hope its concise and answers everyone's questions about the tournament.

[zephyr_wind]

It's not just 64g. ALL the money from every registered guild goes in so if 50 guilds register that's 500g that will be broken between winners and the rest cast into oblivion.

[salman.pisces]

i think only 16 guilds max can register because the tournament is for 16 guilds only.
Even if more than 16 people register,they are to be registered for the next week and the prize pool goes into the next week as well.


EDIT:wrong there:actually,any number of guilds can sign up but they can still lose the 10g they get if they were not chosen in the 16 guilds which will participate.

[relander]

i think only 16 guilds max can register because the tournament is for 16 guilds only.
Even if more than 16 people register,they are to be registered for the next week and the prize pool goes into the next week as well.

no ... it doesn't ... go read the description again

[siblyx]

Ya u registrate for 10g and maybe ur guild not be chosen wo W-T-F! 10g for nothing srsly OS you went nuts this time.

[KatieElisa]

What stinks is not only not getting your 10g back if you fail to place in the tournament, but knowing that you've just enabled another guild to do the tournament more often if they win. Even if only 16 guilds register and the winning guild only gets 64g, that's 5 more times the winning guild can go again (64g minus the 10g initial registration fee leaves 54g). It sounds like a lot of fun..... for the rich and high level guilds. ><

Can the tournaments not be categorized like the PVP kq's? Guilds could earn ranks/levels/classes based on how well they do with normal guild wars. It's pointless to win a guild war atm, anyways, why not make use of it? You win 100 gw's, you make Class 3. You win 500 gw's, you make Class 2. You win 1000 gw's, you make Class 1. You lose a gw, you lose some of your points toward the next Class. A Class 1 guild could compete in a tournament of Class 1 guilds. The entry fees could be a bit less for the lower level classes than the higher ones.

Just an idea so ANYONE could feel like they'd have a chance in a guild tournament. Look at high school and college sports. You don't pit a Class 2A football team against a Class 4A team.

[kklobos]

well in bijou if ryekarayn guild enters this kind of tournaments I DO believe the rest of the guilds will quit (if possible) jeje XD

[salman.pisces]

no ... it doesn't ... go read the description again

whoops i was wrong there
any number of guilds can participate.seems that I didnt read the description properly.And there was I,telling others to read the announcement properly....

What stinks is not only not getting your 10g back if you fail to place in the tournament, but knowing that you've just enabled another guild to do the tournament more often if they win. Even if only 16 guilds register and the winning guild only gets 64g, that's 5 more times the winning guild can go again (64g minus the 10g initial registration fee leaves 54g). It sounds like a lot of fun..... for the rich and high level guilds. ><

Can the tournaments not be categorized like the PVP kq's? Guilds could earn ranks/levels/classes based on how well they do with normal guild wars. It's pointless to win a guild war atm, anyways, why not make use of it? You win 100 gw's, you make Class 3. You win 500 gw's, you make Class 2. You win 1000 gw's, you make Class 1. You lose a gw, you lose some of your points toward the next Class. A Class 1 guild could compete in a tournament of Class 1 guilds. The entry fees could be a bit less for the lower level classes than the higher ones.

Just an idea so ANYONE could feel like they'd have a chance in a guild tournament. Look at high school and college sports. You don't pit a Class 2A football team against a Class 4A team.

Guild wars on the Korean version actually had a use.You could win titles based on how many wars you won or lost or on continuous wins.
Classifying guilds depends on the developers...

Btw,titles arent really pointless.Some of them give you Fame

[KatieElisa]

Guild wars on the Korean version actually had a use.You could win titles based on how many wars you won or lost or on continuous wins.
Classifying guilds depends on the developers...

Btw,titles arent really pointless.Some of them give you Fame

Ok, but we're playing the US version. Idk any guilds that have a guild title. And I didn't say titles were pointless, just that the winning/losing of a gw is pointless the way it is atm.

Maybe I just need to get a chance to experience the tournament to have an idea of how it'll work. But I'm not paying 10g for that, LOL.

[vh0985yhf18]

i think its a rly rly cool idea and i want to join. i hope there is no sc mounts-charms or atleast no charm. the only bad thing about it is if u enter pay the 10g......dont get and and ur down 10g for nuthin tht would suck

[vh0985yhf18]

secondly if u dont want it they dont complain about it just dont do it btw for a whole guild 10g isnt tht much (20 8x 9x and 10x people each put in 500s have a great time win or lose and if u lose its only 500s no big deal)

[Asmodejjj]

Might want to add that there are TWO 3rd places..........each get 5%.

[ripostefire]

Netiquette dictates I post before I attach the quoted post. :P

This is a really good idea. The day to day guild wars could be gauges of the guild level classes and eventually, we will have really competitive matches for Class 1 champion, Class 2 champion, and so on. Though there might be a spike in shroomkilling and afk-murders but that can be resolved externally.

Hey why pit the friendly guild against the Helga farmers right?

Also, give each class a designation (class 3 sounds so demeaning). You can have Gladiator class, Warrior class, Fighter class and so on. And if you allow another method for paying the entry fee then these tourneys could turn out to be quite fun.



What stinks is not only not getting your 10g back if you fail to place in the tournament, but knowing that you've just enabled another guild to do the tournament more often if they win. Even if only 16 guilds register and the winning guild only gets 64g, that's 5 more times the winning guild can go again (64g minus the 10g initial registration fee leaves 54g). It sounds like a lot of fun..... for the rich and high level guilds. ><

Can the tournaments not be categorized like the PVP kq's? Guilds could earn ranks/levels/classes based on how well they do with normal guild wars. It's pointless to win a guild war atm, anyways, why not make use of it? You win 100 gw's, you make Class 3. You win 500 gw's, you make Class 2. You win 1000 gw's, you make Class 1. You lose a gw, you lose some of your points toward the next Class. A Class 1 guild could compete in a tournament of Class 1 guilds. The entry fees could be a bit less for the lower level classes than the higher ones.

Just an idea so ANYONE could feel like they'd have a chance in a guild tournament. Look at high school and college sports. You don't pit a Class 2A football team against a Class 4A team.

[danny.m]

This whole thing would have been much more fun (as it truly should have been) if it had nothing to do with money at all. ie.no entrance fees and no prize money. there could be treasure chests with special prizes tho, and nobody will even want to do this, even if they are so exited and cant wait to see the map and everything.and 16 guilds are rarely going to join, unless they are pretty rich and wont have to care about the money(or unless every other guild is outrageously proud of themselves xD)
And also this would not really be a good idea for fixing up the so called 'economy crisis'(o.O) because there are plenty of other, better ways to do that if it was necessary, for example, by increasing the price of items bought from NPC's to an extent that is affordable.I wouldnt want to let economy have anything to do with everyone's enjoyment.

[salman.pisces]

Might want to add that there are TWO 3rd places..........each get 5%.

no there is only one 3rd position.The positions are based on scores,not on how many battles are won.The score increase as the number of enemy kills increase.So,it's very rare if there are to 3rd 2nd or 1st places.Even if a position is a tie,a dice will roll on the screen and it will decide who gets the position

Netiquette dictates I post before I attach the quoted post. :P

This is a really good idea. The day to day guild wars could be gauges of the guild level classes and eventually, we will have really competitive matches for Class 1 champion, Class 2 champion, and so on. Though there might be a spike in shroomkilling and afk-murders but that can be resolved externally.

Hey why pit the friendly guild against the Helga farmers right?

Also, give each class a designation (class 3 sounds so demeaning). You can have Gladiator class, Warrior class, Fighter class and so on. And if you allow another method for paying the entry fee then these tourneys could turn out to be quite fun.

that's not really possible since most guilds have varying levels(mine for instance,has level 25 to level 73 players)
see the problems it could create?

This whole thing would have been much more fun (as it truly should have been) if it had nothing to do with money at all. ie.no entrance fees and no prize money. there could be treasure chests with special prizes tho, and nobody will even want to do this, even if they are so exited and cant wait to see the map and everything.and 16 guilds are rarely going to join, unless they are pretty rich and wont have to care about the money(or unless every other guild is outrageously proud of themselves xD)
And also this would not really be a good idea for fixing up the so called 'economy crisis'(o.O) because there are plenty of other, better ways to do that if it was necessary, for example, by increasing the price of items bought from NPC's to an extent that is affordable.I wouldnt want to let economy have anything to do with everyone's enjoyment.

money is needed to ensure that no new guilds enter the tournament without knowing what they are up against.the 10g fee is based on the fact that other members of the guild can enter too.There is also a level requirement in the Korean Verison so its possible this one has it too.(the reqirement on korean version is that the guild has at least 10 members above level 60)

[gordonmaster]

no there is only one 3rd position.The positions are based on scores,not on how many battles are won.The score increase as the number of enemy kills increase.So,it's very rare if there are to 3rd 2nd or 1st places.Even if a position is a tie,a dice will roll on the screen and it will decide who gets the position



After each battle is over, the winning guild master receives points which can be used to purchase items from the "Guild Item Merchant" NPC in Roumen.

After the tournament ends, 40% of the entire registration fee is collected and rewarded to the 1st place guild. 20% will go to the guild that placed 2nd, and 5% will go to the two guilds that placed 3rd. 30% of the registration fee will be absorbed by the system. The 16 chosen teams can be confirmed by visiting Guild Manager and selecting "Guild Tournament >> Schedule or View participant". Schedule can also be confirmed via the Guild information tab from the Community window which can be opened by pressing F.

Good luck to all guilds!



40%+ 20%+5% = 65% so 35% gets absorbed? so your math is wrong.

Or two third place each get 5% and your math is right? with 35% 49g not 42g should get absorbed

40%+20%+5%+5%= 70% and 30% goes poof.


For those worrying about 30% of the fee going to waste,keep in mind that it maintains/improves the economy(how?you must have some knowledge of economics!well anyway,as the amount of money in Isya lessens,prices go down,meaning things aren't really that expensive anymore=better economy)

Yes it maintains the economy, improve NO! Prices for high Quality commodities will not lower since the demand for +9 weapons will remain the same. The only prices they may lower are for non +9 weapons.

If anything +9 prices may increase, while the other things decrease, for me personally this is an opportunity to increase the price of the few +9 I have since I am almost certain that the members of these so called top guilds will have a higher demand for High Quality commodities as they prepare for these tournaments.

Note: the general demand remains the same this should not be confused with individual demand as stated in my second paragraph.

[edit] since it maintains the economy I'm all for the money going poof.

[salman.pisces]

40%+ 20%+5% = 65% so 35% gets absorbed? so your math is wrong.

Or two third place each get 5% and your math is right? with 35% 49g not 42g should get absorbed

40%+20%+5%+5%= 70% and 30% goes poof.

ah my bad.there really are 2 third places(i read the announcement again to make sure)



Yes it maintains the economy, improve NO! Prices for high Quality commodities will not lower since the demand for +9 weapons will remain the same. The only prices they may lower are for non +9 weapons.

If anything +9 prices may increase, while the other things decrease, for me personally this is an opportunity to increase the price of the few +9 I have since I am almost certain that the members of these so called top guilds will have a higher demand for High Quality commodities as they prepare for these tournaments.

Note: the general demand remains the same this should not be confused with individual demand as stated in my second paragraph.

[edit] since it maintains the economy I'm all for the money going poof.

hmmm maybe you're right.But how will the prices increase for +9's?
And if they really will increase then what steps can be taken to stop it?

think about it this way:outspark reduces the amount of in-game money everyone has by 50%(wont happen though). wont everyone reduce the prices of the items they sell be 50% too since people wont buy =9 weapons for such high prices?

[Haku87]

I readed everyting and i will say my opinion as I did on the previous thread...

What's driving me crazy is all those people saying : 10g is too much I won't pay this much to enter !!!

Once again...This is a GUILD tournament so...it supposes you're not only 1 to play and so to PAY....
Which means enter fee is divided into each guild members willing to participate (if the guild is commonly organised).
I can understand 10g is a lot of money for people...(maybe less for people complaining they can't use this amount of money whereas they are 80+ O.O) but if you're not stupid (yeah that's the word) you won't try enter guid tournament with a guild with less than 20 members...
And ... HO MY GOD !!! 10g/20....Tadaaaa = 500s/member.

Woot this enter fee for people willing to participate is more affordable !
So I really think this is worth the try !

1 bad point still (so i won't be throw in a tomb alive and burried right after) : the no refunding 10g for guild not selected for the tournament...
For people loosing the tournament okay...but for those not even selected...kind of pain you know where :D

[citcat21]

But if you are on the newer servers money is a huge issue. And paying 20s each for t4 scrolls is getting way to expensive and the demand will only increase with the tournament. Higher demand higher prices and less money in our pockets...

The high entry fee may be appropriate on the older servers but poor legel and cypion.

[salman.pisces]

I readed everyting and i will say my opinion as I did on the previous thread...

What's driving me crazy is all those people saying : 10g is too much I won't pay this much to enter !!!

Once again...This is a GUILD tournament so...it supposes you're not only 1 to play and so to PAY....
Which means enter fee is divided into each guild members willing to participate (if the guild is commonly organised).
I can understand 10g is a lot of money for people...(maybe less for people complaining they can't use this amount of money whereas they are 80+ O.O) but if you're not stupid (yeah that's the word) you won't try enter guid tournament with a guild with less than 20 members...
And ... HO MY GOD !!! 10g/20....Tadaaaa = 500s/member.

Woot this enter fee for people willing to participate is more affordable !
So I really think this is worth the try !

1 bad point still (so i won't be throw in a tomb alive and burried right after) : the no refunding 10g for guild not selected for the tournament...
For people loosing the tournament okay...but for those not even selected...kind of pain you know where :D

exactly!who said only one person will pay?even with 20 guild members paying,its 500s each.

But if you are on the newer servers money is a huge issue. And paying 20s each for t4 scrolls is getting way to expensive and the demand will only increase with the tournament. Higher demand higher prices and less money in our pockets...

The high entry fee may be appropriate on the older servers but poor legel and cypion.

no,it is appropriate for legel and Cypion.Both servers have very active guilds and have lots of members online,meaning each member online needs to pay 300-500s to participate!If that's too much for you then you're not one to say.reach level 60 or so and then decide if the cost is your problem.On the Korean version,you need 10 people in your guild who are above level 60.at 60,you can easily make 100s-200s at 70x abyss every hour(and get decent exp along with it)

[citcat21]

no,it is appropriate for legel and Cypion.Both servers have very active guilds and have lots of members online,meaning each member online needs to pay 300-500s to participate!If that's too much for you then you're not one to say.reach level 60 or so and then decide if the cost is your problem.On the Korean version,you need 10 people in your guild who are above level 60.at 60,you can easily make 100s-200s at 70x abyss every hour(and get decent exp along with it)

They were very active till school started....
We are down to about 4 main guilds and they are no where near as active as they once were. Not to mention grinding in 7x abby at 8x is a waste of time if you can even get in there anymore.
I'm speaking from experience and not making an assumption.

[dj23re]

LMAO wanna no the guild i think that are gonna join?
TheRudes
InnerCircle
Aristocrats possibly
DragonFly
LegacyOfCain
But ya Just Thise top 2 will murder possibly that whole other 14 people^^ :cool:

[royalessessin]

Listen people... the fee will not be changed. Here i have a webpage of everything coming to fiestas english version.coming straight from the other versions,to make you all scream,we are getting +10 weapon refinery.they are tight,http://www.fiestaonline.net/,now look around for a while

[Rzpect]

LMAO wanna no the guild i think that are gonna join?
TheRudes
InnerCircle
Aristocrats possibly
DragonFly
LegacyOfCain
But ya Just Thise top 2 will murder possibly that whole other 14 people^^ :cool:

IC died
Arist is full of noobs
DF dont see alot of people
LoC? haven't heard of.

[ajax02]

Listen people... the fee will not be changed. Here i have a webpage of everything coming to fiestas english version.coming straight from the other versions,to make you all scream,we are getting +10 weapon refinery.they are tight,http://www.fiestaonline.net/,now look around for a while

Please check the link. It doesnt bring up Fiesta of any kind.

[salman.pisces]

They were very active till school started....
We are down to about 4 main guilds and they are no where near as active as they once were. Not to mention grinding in 7x abby at 8x is a waste of time if you can even get in there anymore.
I'm speaking from experience and not making an assumption.

who said I was making an assumption?I can still get inside 70x abyss.Maybe it really is a waste of time but is worthwhile if you are still 50x(i don't know of a more profitable grinding spot)

Listen people... the fee will not be changed. Here i have a webpage of everything coming to fiestas english version.coming straight from the other versions,to make you all scream,we are getting +10 weapon refinery.they are tight,http://www.fiestaonline.net/,now look around for a while

That link is incorrect and it is not necessary if +10 weapons will come soon.You statement that the fee will not be changed is incorrect since Outspark said it's unconfirmed.Every thing that comes from the Korean version is not always the same in this version.Take the abyss for instance.The abyss monsters were supposed the drop scrolls but they don't in this version.The tournament is also different.The Korean version has more guild member ranks than ours.

Please note that any announcement relating to new content can only be correct if it is from the Outspark staff.
For information on what is to come,please visit the outspark page'http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/development'.
For information on possible changes to the guild tournament system,please visit the thread 'http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226162'.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

no there is only one 3rd position.The positions are based on scores,not on how many battles are won.The score increase as the number of enemy kills increase.So,it's very rare if there are to 3rd 2nd or 1st places.Even if a position is a tie,a dice will roll on the screen and it will decide who gets the position

There can never be two second place or two 1st place, but there will always be two third place. The only way there can be one third place is if there isn;t a lot of guilds in the schedule, thus, one guild wins by default on one side.

Picture #1: Everything is explained within it so you completely understand.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace-1.jpg

Original Link: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace.jpg

Picture #2: Once again, self explanatory and link to where i got it from is here: http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/view/?id=zbn.8912

Just scroll to the bottom. x3

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace2.jpg

Original Link:http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace2.jpg

[ToshCrimson]

Go Vendetta!!!!

[araikon69ah]

YES,the 10g actually is worth it.Don't you guys at least try to understand what announcements OS makes?

First of all,do you know that Outspark is considering suspending the use of charms and sparkcash mounts during the tournament?Let's all be thankful for that and hope it happens.

PLEASE NOTE:This system is still in beta testing.This means that the registration fee can be changed.It is still unconfirmed if charms and movers will be allowed or not as well as the limit for the number of participating guild members and if there will be a level limit or not.

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Now, let me explain it clearly for those who did not read/understand the announcement properly:

IF 14 guilds participate and the registration fees is 10g each.
10g X 14 = 140g
1st place gets 40% of the TOTAL registration fees(which is 140g)
since 40% of 140 actually is 56, YOU RECEIVE 56g and 100 tickets!
2nd place gets20% of the TOTAL registration fees(which is 140g)
since 20% of 140 is actually 28,YOU RECEIVE 28g and 20 tickets!
3rd place gets 5% of the TOTAL registration fee(which is 140g)
since 5% of 140 is 7,YOU RECEIVE 7g(you still lost 3g) and 3 tickets!
42g goes to nowhere/oblivion/gets destroyed/will cease to exist,etc...
other participants win nothing T.T
meaning,DON'T PARTICIPATE IF YOUR"S IS A NEWBIE GUILD(trust me,10g is a big loss for newbies)!


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A table showing all 16 possible outcomes of the tournament
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|guilds| total fee| 1st place| 2nd place| 3rd place|lost money|
|-------|----------|------------|-------------|------------|-------------|
| 16 - | -160g - | -- 64g -- | -- 32g -- | -- 08g -- | --- 48g --- |
| 15 - | -150g - | -- 60g -- | -- 30g -- | -- 7.5g - | --- 45g --- |
| 14 - | -140g - | -- 56g -- | -- 28g -- | -- 07g -- | --- 42g --- |
| 13 - | -130g - | -- 52g -- | -- 26g -- | -- 6.5g - | --- 39g --- |
| 12 - | -120g - | -- 48g -- | -- 14g -- | -- 06g -- | --- 36g --- |
| 11 - | -110g - | -- 44g -- | -- 22g -- | -- 5.5g - | --- 33g --- |
| 10 - | -100g - | -- 40g -- | -- 20g -- | -- 05g -- | --- 30g --- |
| 09 - | -090g - | -- 36g -- | -- 18g -- | -- 4.5g - | --- 27g --- |
| 08 - | -080g - | -- 32g -- | -- 16g -- | -- 04g -- | --- 24g --- |
| 07 - | -070g - | -- 28g -- | -- 14g -- | -- 3.5g - | --- 21g --- |
| 06 - | -060g - | -- 24g -- | -- 12g -- | -- 03g -- | --- 18g --- |
| 05 - | -050g - | -- 20g -- | -- 10g -- | -- 2.5g - | --- 15g --- |
| 04 - | -040g - | -- 16g -- | -- 08g -- | -- 02g -- | --- 12g --- |
| 03 - | -030g - | -- 12g -- | -- 06g -- | -- 1.5g - | --- 09g --- |
| 02 - | -020g - | -- 08g -- | -- 04g -- | -- 01g -- | --- 06g --- |
| 01 - | -010g - | -- 04g -- | -- 02g -- | -- 0.5g - | --- 03g --- |
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KEY:
You get more money than you pay and 100 tickets(profit).
You get some of the money you pay and 20 tickets(loss).
you get all of the money you paid and 3 tickets(but you lose time).
Money no one gets.(destroyed money)
please note that there are two third places.

if your position is not mentioned,it means you lost all of the money you paid(i.e, 10g).


VERY IMPORTANT:If you were the only person who participated,you get the first position which means that you receive points as well which can be used to purchase items from 'Guild Item Merchant' in Roumen.

Guild Item Merchant

The guild Item merchant can be found in Roumen.
Items can be bought using tickets won from the tournament.
you get 100 for 1st place,20 for 2nd and 3 for 3rd.
The following items are currently sold:

3 items are currently available(7 - day versions):
Fighter's silver ring(3 tokens): +5%Def,+5%M.Def,+3%Aim,+3%Eva
Fighter's gold ring(5 tokens): +5%Def,+5%M.Def,+5%Aim,+5%Eva
Fighter's aquamarine Neck(10 tokens): +5% attack,+5% M.attack

Don't worry about the names,they are for all classes and all levels

You can apparently withdraw tokens from the guild tournament storage which must mean that the points are in fact tokens(some kind of items)

Watching the battles as 3rd person or member:

Players CAN watch the battles by clicking on the guild names in the schedule(only when they are taking place)
You can in no way,interact with the tournament's participants or talk to them

Prize Inventory:

the Prize inventory can be accessed through any Guild manager by pressing the 'Prize' button in the Guild Tournament Menu.The Inventory contains the rewards you get for getting the first 3 positions in the tournament.Gold can be withdrawn by pressing the withdraw button and tokens can be withdrawn just the way items can be withdrawn from the storage.Tokens are used to buy items from guild item merchant.


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For those worrying about 30% of the fee going to waste,keep in mind that it maintains/improves the economy(how?you must have some knowledge of economics!well anyway,as the amount of money in Isya lessens,prices go down,meaning things aren't really that expensive anymore=better economy)

I repeat:Please read the announcements properly before flaming Outspark!

I hope i answered the people asking what is the difference Between guild wars and tournaments.

For those who want the registration fee to be reduced by 50%you are also asking for the reward money to be reduced by 50%(err..this means you want the rewards to be halved)!

Please note that any announcement relating to new content can only be correct if it is from the Outspark staff.
For information on what is to come,please visit the outspark page'http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/development'.
For information on possible changes to the guild tournament system,please visit the thread 'http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226162'.

Important quote:



this still needs updating and fixing.correct me or tell me if something is wrong,missing or needs
explaining!I have greatly improved this thanks to a lot of people
ill update it soon(when im not busy or when I'm done with sleeping)

^ this whole explanation Only works if more than one guild joins cause if only one guild joins total Regestration fee is only 10g 10gx1 = 10g lmao 40 percent of that is 4 g IE if one guild Enters They lose money Thats what people are saying do you try to understand them or just act like a know it all

[salman.pisces]

There can never be two second place or two 1st place, but there will always be two third place. The only way there can be one third place is if there isn;t a lot of guilds in the schedule, thus, one guild wins by default on one side.

Picture #1: Everything is explained within it so you completely understand.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace-1.jpg

Original Link: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace.jpg

Picture #2: Once again, self explanatory and link to where i got it from is here: http://fiesta.outspark.com/news/view/?id=zbn.8912

Just scroll to the bottom. x3

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace2.jpg

Original Link:http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/BlitzKragor/2thirdplace2.jpg

um you didnt need to explain that...I already posted that I was wrong about one 3rd place and there were actually 2 3rd places x<

^ this whole explanation Only works if more than one guild joins cause if only one guild joins total Regestration fee is only 10g 10gx1 = 10g lmao 40 percent of that is 4 g IE if one guild Enters They lose money Thats what people are saying do you try to understand them or just act like a know it all
who's a know it all?You still get 100tokens if you were the only participant...
(lets just see how popular the tournament gets.On Epith ,3 guilds joined the last time.who know,there might even be more later on.Before, some said no guilds will join,just the way they said the world will end in 2003)