Randomly chosen guilds without refunds

[relander]

10g is a significant sum for most players, so it might have that many guilds participating. However, I think if a guild pays 10g, they should get something out of it. I suggest using a queue system so that all guilds that particupate will get to enter the tournament.

Or else, you might end up with a guild trying to enter the tournament 10 weeks in a row (costing 1 gem), and not actually being able to participate in any. That would be really unfortunate and will only cause grief.

Instead, you could have all the guilds join a queue, and when the week's tournament starts, simply remove the first 16 guilds in that queue. This way, no one will "waste" gold. And everyone eventually gets to particpate (and get their money's worth).

Anyway, this is just a suggestion.

[Mewaki]

That's a great idea :o. Keep adding ppl who want to participate to the list and give them the date that their scheduled time is. O.o hmm wonder what happens if there is a 3 month waiting period.

[siblyx]

It just fails OS made this big turnement glad it's BETA i hope it never comes out 100% With these rules and price! Srsly it's just C-R-A-P!

[yucina]

I agree with what Mewaki says. It's like her Chibi thread. It's backed up to January already. It's gotten to the point where she's talked to me about closing it. (can't remember if she's done it yet or not)

I've read up on the threads since I'm stuck at college today. And tbh, the guild tournament angers players who are deeply at a disadvantage. Whether it'd be the cost of the guild tournament, the chance to lose 10g without participating, or the chance that they'll be straddled with bullies.

IMHO, I think the prices should be lowered, or maybe to this extent.
Make the guild tournament level based, so you don't have 100+ bullies getting free wins against 60-90 people. We all know how uber players become at lvl 100.
And make it 10 lvl increments, 1-10, 11-20,21-30 and so on, and the price to enroll depends upon those levels.

Make the amount you need to pay based on level, you can do it this way?
1-9 - 100s
10-19 - 300s
20-29 - 500s
30-39 - 700s
40-49 - 900s
50-59 - 1g
60-69 - 1g 200s
70-79 - 1g 400s
80-89 - 1g 600s
90-99 - 1g 800s
100-105 - 2g

I mean it doesn't have to necessarily be THAT range. But payment methods along those lines.

Also, don't do the you enroll, don't make it, lose your money deal. That's one of the more flammable aspects of the guild tournament. You put hard-earned money into this... for someone else to have the chance of winning when you don't? I mean come on! How's that fair?!? Surely the total amount is worth winning there with just the ones participating? rofl. It's still something. And the thing will be fun itself. That won't turn people away.

Charming, extenders, yeah yeah yeah, those will be available. More money in OS's pocket. Big deal. Go with the flow. If Outspark would take into considerations my theory, I think everyone would be happy. :)

[RanmaruX]

I rofl'd when I read this.

Registration cost is 10 gold which is paid by the guild master at the time of registration.

A total of 16 teams will be chosen at random for that week's tournament. There are NO REFUNDS, even if your guild has not been chosen to participate. Those 16 guilds will not be able to accept new member nor will players be able to leave the guild until the tournament is over for that week.

I wonder if there will be any participants to this? Lol.

From Bijou I could only think of one guild to do it. *cough* Rye *cough*

[salman.pisces]

I agree with what Mewaki says. It's like her Chibi thread. It's backed up to January already. It's gotten to the point where she's talked to me about closing it. (can't remember if she's done it yet or not)

I've read up on the threads since I'm stuck at college today. And tbh, the guild tournament angers players who are deeply at a disadvantage. Whether it'd be the cost of the guild tournament, the chance to lose 10g without participating, or the chance that they'll be straddled with bullies.

IMHO, I think the prices should be lowered, or maybe to this extent.
Make the guild tournament level based, so you don't have 100+ bullies getting free wins against 60-90 people. We all know how uber players become at lvl 100.
And make it 10 lvl increments, 1-10, 11-20,21-30 and so on, and the price to enroll depends upon those levels.

Make the amount you need to pay based on level, you can do it this way?
1-9 - 100s
10-19 - 300s
20-29 - 500s
30-39 - 700s
40-49 - 900s
50-59 - 1g
60-69 - 1g 200s
70-79 - 1g 400s
80-89 - 1g 600s
90-99 - 1g 800s
100-105 - 2g

I mean it doesn't have to necessarily be THAT range. But payment methods along those lines.

Also, don't do the you enroll, don't make it, lose your money deal. That's one of the more flammable aspects of the guild tournament. You put hard-earned money into this... for someone else to have the chance of winning when you don't? I mean come on! How's that fair?!? Surely the total amount is worth winning there with just the ones participating? rofl. It's still something. And the thing will be fun itself. That won't turn people away.

Charming, extenders, yeah yeah yeah, those will be available. More money in OS's pocket. Big deal. Go with the flow. If Outspark would take into considerations my theory, I think everyone would be happy. :)

I wish that could be implemented bit the problem is that many guilds have varying levels of players(mine consist of lvl 25 to 70 players).You see what the problem is?

I think its better to make it such that one 16 players participate,no other guild can for that week OR there should be a queue(like relander said).

[Dthugtherealist]

I agree with Re or just that we should get our money back simple if we don't get in

[RanmaruX]

Much agreed, they should at least make it so that the first guilds to apply get in.

Basically if there are slots it will take your gold and put you in, if not then it won't even take your gold.

The current system just sucks.

[schneider392]

I wonder if there will be any participants to this? Lol.

From Bijou I could only think of one guild to do it. *cough* Rye *cough*

And automatically lose 6g because they're the only participants? Hehe maybe not.

[GM_Straega]

Though I dislike having to do this, saying that the current system "sucks" will neither get you what you want nor get us to a constructive solution.

Would you have rather us just released it as it is without giving everyone the opportunity to give feedback?

We essentially had to give you what we had as it was given to us with minor changes, and don't you think that there's the possibility that the reason it's even in beta to begin with is because there were things that even we wanted to change about it?

Sometimes seeing changes made means getting our own player's input to give to the developer as well as ours.

I'd rather not everyone assume that we add content for the sake of making everyone miserable.

(This post was not directed to OP)

[sasuke_uchiha94]

Thats what i thought to Straega, Cause after all Beta isn't gonna be Perfect, And Usually theres gonna be some Changes, So thats why i'm gonna watch the Tourney instead of Playing in it for [1]:I'm Very Poor T.T [2]: My guild isn't that big yet xD [3]: I Rather play when its all Squeaky clean :3

So yea...Ppl dun Freak yet lol, It just came out a couple days ago T.T

[sk8r_dude]

SIGGY TEST [/offtopic]

*Starts chanting*

"Take it out. Take it out. Take it out..."

[joecracker]

the thing is thou u guys should give us a chance before u release it to give u feedback, make a up and coming section of things your going to add and ask the players ( a lot of us pay to play) what we think or want in features

i can tell you we wont be doing this unless the 10g is refunded if not picked

thats one of the stupidest things ive ever seen put into the game (the 10g even if you dont get to play) that one should have red flagged you guys i mean come on

[GM_Straega]

thats one of the stupidest things ive ever seen put into the game (the 10g even if you dont get to play) that one should have red flagged you guys i mean come on

Who said that it didn't?

[krazykris_2000]

Obviously with anything new coming out, we are all going to have a few issues or more with it. OS said its Beta. They want us to test it out and report back what we, as a community, think needs to be changed. I can't speak for other servers, but on Teva, we had only 5 guilds register. I think for the moment, worrying about not getting in is not an issue. Later down the road, yea, maybe so, but for now it's all good. So let's try it out for a couple weeks then provide OS with some positive feedback instead of jumping down their throats for actually implementing something alot of us have wanted for quite some time now.

[vh0985yhf18]

look its a s simple as this if u dont like it dont join i think its cool but after 16 guild join it should stop and not let any other guild join until the next week or mabey they could make it 32 guilds per week. also the whole point is a guild not the guild in seperate lvs yes lv 100 will rule but its not fail 2 a lv 89 tht a lv 9 has the same chance of winning. if u dont like the idea then dont do it. and DONT WHINE ABOUT THE FACT UR WEAK AND U NEED 2 FIGHT PPL UR OWN LV.

[joecracker]

why not have them change that to 10g refunded back if guild doesnt play? seems like everyone doesnt like that, and you said it popped up in your heads as bad but released it this way anyways?

so i take it your going to have ons change it then?

[numbahone]

Tell me which server alrdy have 10 guilds who registered.
there is no way it will hit over 16 guilds
no guild is going to waste their gold. so why bother about this?

[joecracker]

lets say old number sign up someone gets left out and outta 10g

[RanmaruX]

Though I dislike having to do this, saying that the current system "sucks" will neither get you what you want nor get us to a constructive solution.

Would you have rather us just released it as it is without giving everyone the opportunity to give feedback?

We essentially had to give you what we had as it was given to us with minor changes, and don't you think that there's the possibility that the reason it's even in beta to begin with is because there were things that even we wanted to change about it?

Sometimes seeing changes made means getting our own player's input to give to the developer as well as ours.

I'd rather not everyone assume that we add content for the sake of making everyone miserable.

(This post was not directed to OP)

While I do see your point, I still honestly think the system is just that bad currently. When I read about it I was amazed how such an incomplete feature could even be implemented to the game.

Sure you can say it's just Beta, but still it doesn't make it right how people can try and participate to this and lose their gold without even getting to take part.

I do actually have something constructive to say about this, too.

Well I don't see why there's even need for such a paid and timed tournament, this same system could be better used for different purposes such as normal guild wars or even "instances" in which you'd form a party and go in, then you'd get assigned to a team in one of the upcoming battles which would start as soon as the instance is full.

Those would give the casual players the chance to actively take part in it especially without wasting tons of in-game gold.

[GM_Straega]

why not have them change that to 10g refunded back if guild doesnt play? seems like everyone doesnt like that, and you said it popped up in your heads as bad but released it this way anyways?

so i take it your going to have ons change it then?

We can recommend it to be changed, it's up to them whether or not they're willing to do so.

While I do see your point, I still honestly think the system is just that bad currently. When I read about it I was amazed how such an incomplete feature could even be implemented to the game.

Sure you can say it's just Beta, but still it doesn't make it right how people can try and participate to this and lose their gold without even getting to take part.

I do actually have something constructive to say about this, too.

Ideally we would have liked to implement the changes before the thing wasn't even released, though the difficulty was to have it tested en masse.

What most of you don't know is that this same system is implemented in the other versions, and are actually quite successful, without the changes that are being requested.

I understand that we're in a different market, but we still need to find out what most people here would like to see.

The irony of it is that even if we had released it with everyone's recommendations, there may be just as many complaints.

[Roseanna]

Much agreed, they should at least make it so that the first guilds to apply get in.

Basically if there are slots it will take your gold and put you in, if not then it won't even take your gold.
The problem with this would be, in time as we get enough guilds wanting to participate... it'll be like the kq situation. Sit there watching the minute before, with your mouse key pressed down, waiting to unclick the second it ticks to recruiting. Relog first, shut all chats off, turn graphics down to minimal. And yet it still fills, and you don't get in. You could try to get into kq for hours and hours, missing it every time. I don't want to see guild tournaments get to that point, too.

the thing is thou u guys should give us a chance before u release it to give u feedback, make a up and coming section of things your going to add and ask the players ( a lot of us pay to play) what we think or want in features
But opinions can change once you actually try something out. Mounts for example... before going in, I would've said mounts should be disabled because they give a speed advantage to some. But now that I've been in there and have seen the map and experienced the tournament, I understand why mounts are allowed. So they could tell us what a feature will be like and all, but until we actually try it out... how are we to know what we want?

Tell me which server alrdy have 10 guilds who registered.
there is no way it will hit over 16 guilds
no guild is going to waste their gold. so why bother about this?
Teva had 5 guilds sign up. Why do I think more guilds didn't sign up? The time issue, and the lack of high level (95+) players. Really, anyone without level 95 purples is just gonna get slaughtered. Every time one of your guild members get slaughtered, the opponent gets an advantage or you get a disadvantage. Strategically, it's a bad idea to bring members along that will cause that to happen too much... no matter how much you may wish to involve everyone in your guild. So it's easier to, say, combine three guilds worth of higher levels into one guild... than it is for all three of those guilds to sign up individually. And that's only for the people who can stay up til midnight or later on a Sunday night anyway.

All in all, I do agree that it's not fair to pay 10g to sign up just to have 17 guilds sign up after you, and lose your money. The first come first serve method could lead to the kq situation described above, but the randomly picking method could leave guilds out every week too. I'm not sure what my suggestion is there, other than that I agree it'd be good to refund the 10g to the guilds who aren't chosen to participate.