TOURNAMENT fails

[cherhell]

basically guild tournament is all about jumping on your mount and running around claiming flags for ur guild over the course of 30 minutes.....theres no real attempt by any guild to stand and defend a flag dew to the fact that theres is to many flags on the map thus taking out the pvp element to the tournament thus making it boring. The flag count should be reduce to 3. lol i dont think OS have any hardcore gamers that work for them...they seem to always think small..instead of them opening up this guild tournament so that all guilds on all servers can go up against each other in the same guild tournament...keep the fee the same and make the brackets bigger to like 24 guilds

[zephyr_wind]

basically guild tournament is all about jumping on your mount and running around claiming flags for ur guild over the course of 30 minutes.....theres no real attempt by any guild to stand and defend a flag dew to the fact that theres is to many flags on the map thus taking out the pvp element to the tournament thus making it boring. The flag count should be reduce to 3. lol i dont think OS have any hardcore gamers that work for them...they seem to always think small..instead of them opening up this guild tournament so that all guilds on all servers can go up against each other in the same guild tournament...keep the fee the same and make the brackets bigger to like 24 guilds

The flag catching is supposed to be another way to gain points which is good when in battle with a guild that outnumbers your own. As for the brackets, not many guilds are joining to begin with due to 2-4 top guilds using the most spark cash and having the highest level players joining and of course would be clear cut winners against smaller less sc/hellgate pumped guilds. The bracket is fine if they allow a refund to the guilds that don't make the cut. So far from what I've read, not many guilds are joining anyway so obviously the limit isn't a big deal until more guilds apply.

[cherhell]

The flag catching is supposed to be another way to gain points which is good when in battle with a guild that outnumbers your own. As for the brackets, not many guilds are joining to begin with due to 2-4 top guilds using the most spark cash and having the highest level players joining and of course would be clear cut winners against smaller less sc/hellgate pumped guilds. The bracket is fine if they allow a refund to the guilds that don't make the cut. So far from what I've read, not many guilds are joining anyway so obviously the limit isn't a big deal until more guilds apply.

bro if a guild outnumbers yours theres a good chance they have all the flags on map lol the point im making is...there isnt a real pvp element to this tournament dew to the fact that theres to many flags on the map...reducing the flag count will force guilds to fight for or defend a flag they want or have captured... as for making brackets to 24 thats was in relation to the tournament including all guilds from all servers in one tournament ( alot would be up for grabs in a tournament like that...bragging rights, the large cash prize...and so on)

[sething]

maybe the emphasis for this tournament isnt PVP? maybe have a guild war if you desire the pvp element? i believe this tournament forces you to focus on teamwork and tactics more than pure power.

[cherhell]

maybe the emphasis for this tournament isnt PVP? maybe have a guild war if you desire the pvp element? i believe this tournament forces you to focus on teamwork and tactics more than pure power.

i have no idea how many and what types of multi-player games u have played but from my exprience it all comes back to pvp else it fails....when u speak of team work and tactics in what sense are u talking? when u answer that question u will see it comes back to pvp. hardcore-gamers know what im talking about XD

[BlackDragonEX]

He lost thats all..

[cherhell]

i think OS should try out my idea now hate me muhahahah im rich lol

[iownyou]

Lol sorry but i have to agree with Cherhell. This tournament is just an excuse for the biggest guilds to show off how much SC they have, Thats all this game is now, its whoever has the most SC wins at pvp ._. its stupid and unless they make the tournys where u cant use SC items while in it, its just a fail.

[Marck]

Lol sorry but i have to agree with Cherhell. This tournament is just an excuse for the biggest guilds to show off how much SC they have, Thats all this game is now, its whoever has the most SC wins at pvp ._. its stupid and unless they make the tournys where u cant use SC items while in it, its just a fail.

lol u totally not got what chernell mean... he mean in this way he can't show all his sc pvping... like is mostly based on flags than on pvp... actually tournament is funny... need strategy and work togheter

[ehab4912]

Dude what game do you think your playing?
Fiesta Is a Casual game NOT a game for hard core gamers.

Go play Aion if you want a HardCore MMorpg or WoW

[cherhell]

dont know if u guys notice but during the tournament u spend 70 to 80% of the time on your mount riding around lol as for strategy heres a full proof one, just out number the guild ur up against like 2:1...the best strategy is to have the numbers in ur favor ( guild members wise) i watch a match where there was some sort of fighting over a flag at the begining but then both guilds was quick to realise it was a waste of time to fight over one flag when there is 4 other flags on the map thus began this run all over the map collecting flags....im not that smart but i dont see alot of ways strategy wise in this tournament lol *cough* 2:1

[cherhell]

Dude what game do you think your playing?
Fiesta Is a Casual game NOT a game for hard core gamers.

Go play Aion if you want a HardCore MMorpg or WoW

if ur a hardcore gamer u run any game ( halo, COD, madden,wow the list goes on). ok question...y didnt most guilds sign up for this tournament? was it becuz of the entrance fee? if lowered, cash prize would be lower and this would motivate more guilds to join how exactly? or is it becuz there are 2 or 3guilds that everyone thinks will win thus influencing them not to join? is it the cs users gettin an advantage over the none cs users? thats where my idea of having all guilds from all servers be given a chance to participate in one tournament, 24 brackets.

[tempacc]

theres no real attempt by any guild to stand and defend a flag dew to the fact that theres is to many flags on the map thus taking out the pvp element to the tournament

In both the Guild Tourney matches I saw, the match ended with one of the teams reaching 1000 points before the other. In fact, the last match I saw, most of the time at least one of the flags were neutral.

Sounds to me like you're just ranting cause your team lost by losing all the flags.

[cherhell]

In both the Guild Tourney matches I saw, the match ended with one of the teams reaching 1000 points before the other. In fact, the last match I saw, most of the time at least one of the flags were neutral.

Sounds to me like you're just ranting cause your team lost by losing all the flags.

bro how does ur statement relate to anything i said....imma bit lost as to what ur talking about really in relation to any of my post o.o?

[tempacc]

bro how does ur statement relate to anything i said....imma bit lost as to what ur talking about really in relation to any of my post o.o?

There's a quote system for a reason... You said (In the part of your post I quoted) that the flag system takes the PvP out of the guild tourney. I responded by saying that in every match that I've watched so far, the winning team won by *KILLING* and not by taking the flags. I fail to see your logic behind this theory that the flags take the PvP out of the guild tourney.

[cherhell]

There's a quote system for a reason... You said (In the part of your post I quoted) that the flag system takes the PvP out of the guild tourney. I responded by saying that in every match that I've watched so far, the winning team won by *KILLING* and not by taking the flags. I fail to see your logic behind this theory that the flags take the PvP out of the guild tourney.

lmao now i see ur problem lol..bro u know u get points for capturing the flag as well as killing ur enermy not becuz u saw a guild reach 1000 points means thats base purely on them killing lol my bet is those points came from the flags that was capture hehe ^^

[Roseanna]

not becuz u saw a guild reach 1000 points means thats base purely on them killing lol my bet is those points came from the flags that was capture hehe ^^
Actually in one of the ones I saw, a fair chunk of the 1000 points came from killing. Know the weakest links and pick em off every time they're within range.

Thing is, this isn't intended to be all about the killing. If it were, it would just be another FBZ or pvp kq. The flags add strategy to it. Yeah 5 flags spread over that big of a distance was hard to cover... but that's also because I'm not used to the map yet. Once I have the map memorized, and the names of the flags memorized, it'll be a piece of cake. And we're still new to it, learning how to best work our guild members and what the best strategy for us is. Moving targets or staffing bases, how to best staff the bases, etc.

I guess if a guild is moving too much, i.e. not defending their flags at all and only moving, racking up 1000 points solely based on flag points... then I guess you need more strategic members in your guild. Ice field. Sleep. Entangle. Deva. Come around facing them and deva on their mount, hoping to stop them. Metamorphosis works there, bird mode and drop in on em when they don't expect it. It's all about strategy... know how your opponent works, and figure out how to best stop em in their tracks.

[cherhell]

Actually in one of the ones I saw, a fair chunk of the 1000 points came from killing. Know the weakest links and pick em off every time they're within range.

Thing is, this isn't intended to be all about the killing. If it were, it would just be another FBZ or pvp kq. The flags add strategy to it. Yeah 5 flags spread over that big of a distance was hard to cover... but that's also because I'm not used to the map yet. Once I have the map memorized, and the names of the flags memorized, it'll be a piece of cake. And we're still new to it, learning how to best work our guild members and what the best strategy for us is. Moving targets or staffing bases, how to best staff the bases, etc.

I guess if a guild is moving too much, i.e. not defending their flags at all and only moving, racking up 1000 points solely based on flag points... then I guess you need more strategic members in your guild. Ice field. Sleep. Entangle. Deva. Come around facing them and deva on their mount, hoping to stop them. Metamorphosis works there, bird mode and drop in on em when they don't expect it. It's all about strategy... know how your opponent works, and figure out how to best stop em in their tracks.

i will use logic to dispute ur whole statement.....so basically ur telling me focus on their weakest link and kill him for points....but what u fail to realise is once u kill him he goes back to his base spawn point u then have to wait like 5-6 min just to find him again whereas having a flag in captured during this 5-6 min which of theses 2 ways u think will give most points btw theres one strategy here and thats to out number ur enermy . like i said before in games everything comes back to pvp else it WILL fail trust me

[Roseanna]

i will use logic to dispute ur whole statement
Sorry but I don't do forum "disputes." I present my experiences, my opinions, my points of view. I discuss. But I don't "dispute." Good luck with it. :)

[guillauman13]

Omg, cher, you know what ?
Actually, OS don't care about your complains.
We don't give a fck to the fact you're rich.
Want a PVP game ? Gtfo of Fiesta and go to WoW or something.
kthxbai.

[siblyx]

basically guild tournament is all about jumping on your mount and running around claiming flags for ur guild over the course of 30 minutes.....theres no real attempt by any guild to stand and defend a flag dew to the fact that theres is to many flags on the map thus taking out the pvp element to the tournament thus making it boring. The flag count should be reduce to 3. lol i dont think OS have any hardcore gamers that work for them...they seem to always think small..instead of them opening up this guild tournament so that all guilds on all servers can go up against each other in the same guild tournament...keep the fee the same and make the brackets bigger to like 24 guilds

Bigger !? U want more lag ?...

[cherhell]

Omg, cher, you know what ?
Actually, OS don't care about your complains.
We don't give a fck to the fact you're rich.
Want a PVP game ? Gtfo of Fiesta and go to WoW or something.
kthxbai.

bro dont hate me cuz im rich lol i state what ever opinion i want bro on this subject and if u dont like my opinion DONT read the thread simple ^^

[cherhell]

Bigger !? U want more lag ?...

dont think there will be much lag dew to the size of the map

[Marck]

i will use logic to dispute ur whole statement.....so basically ur telling me focus on their weakest link and kill him for points....but what u fail to realise is once u kill him he goes back to his base spawn point u then have to wait like 5-6 min just to find him again whereas having a flag in captured during this 5-6 min which of theses 2 ways u think will give most points btw theres one strategy here and thats to out number ur enermy . like i said before in games everything comes back to pvp else it WILL fail trust me

chernell seriously your match gone so much quickly like in 5 minutes other team got all flags and i see u still not understood as GT works.... if u kill lower lvls, points u get are lower! second kill master/admin and more high lvls give more points! 3rd u not even notice isn't that easy keep or get a flag if people use strategy on protect it, 4th if u did look final match, points by flags both team were around same 300-400points but winner won 1011-536,5th u have gates teleport to move at your flags and waste less time (so not 70%of time on mount) to get more close to point where u want go, 6th i think u did look semifinal match... how can u say outnumber a guild make the winner than? the winner was guild with 9member against 20 i think
suggest u before to complain to at least understand as it work

[cherhell]

chernell seriously your match gone so much quickly like in 5 minutes other team got all flags and i see u still not understood as GT works.... if u kill lower lvls, points u get are lower! second kill master/admin and more high lvls give more points! 3rd u not even notice isn't that easy keep or get a flag if people use strategy on protect it, 4th if u did look final match, points by flags both team were around same 300-400points but winner won 1011-536,5th u have gates teleport to move at your flags and waste less time (so not 70%of time on mount) to get more close to point where u want go, 6th i think u did look semifinal match... how can u say outnumber a guild make the winner than? the winner was guild with 9member against 20 i think
suggest u before to complain to at least understand as it work

lol my match? which match was that lmfao. I never finish school so im abit slow :( but i saw this guild that was in a guild war and the guild master took away all admin position, i never did understand y she did that but like i said im slow lol. As for best way of getting most points to win your guild tournament match, u tell me which guild will win this tournament kk lol? Guild "A" captures all flags and guild "B" is just killing enermies for points ( keep in mind when someone dies they get put back to their guild spawn point), i say guild "B" will win what do u say bro? roflmfao....all jokes aside the guild with the greater number of members for tournament, no offence to no one but if that guild have half a brain they would win...its simple stay on ur mounts and just riding around getting flags, what ever strategy the other guild have is useless but hey im slow hehehehe ^^

[BainS-NT]

If your just going to whine and complain, why do you play this game?

[cherhell]

If your just going to whine and complain, why do you play this game?

bro chill lol its not that serious....im just given my points on how to improve the tournament^^

[legendking3]

i have no idea how many and what types of multi-player games u have played but from my exprience it all comes back to pvp else it fails....when u speak of team work and tactics in what sense are u talking? when u answer that question u will see it comes back to pvp. hardcore-gamers know what im talking about XD

actually it comes back to helga raids :P annnnnnnd.... GT.

edit: now reading the last page, all i got to say is this:

getting the flags aint an easy job

1. you cant be on your mount
2. cant be attacked
3. must wait the time it takes to capture the flag
4. must be able to stand up to any enemy who also wants the flag


also if there is a guild that only trys killing, they will loss, not their fault they're in a game that involves more than just killing. if they dont get the flags, they aren't doing what they are sepose to, to win, thus they lose.

it adds an aspect that makes it more interesting, while still maintaining PvP.

[cherhell]

actually it comes back to helga raids :P annnnnnnd.... GT.

edit: now reading the last page, all i got to say is this:

getting the flags aint an easy job

1. you cant be on your mount
2. cant be attacked
3. must wait the time it takes to capture the flag
4. must be able to stand up to any enemy who also wants the flag


also if there is a guild that only trys killing, they will loss, not their fault they're in a game that involves more than just killing. if they dont get the flags, they aren't doing what they are sepose to, to win, thus they lose.

it adds an aspect that makes it more interesting, while still maintaining PvP.

ummmm idk if u know this but irl it comes back to money :P but ur so cute your talking ig ^^....kk lets talk ig....capturing 5 flags on a map of that size really takes alot of "strategy" lol my idea is for them to reduce the amount of flags thus bringing the pvp element and strategy back to the tournament but hey what do i know....im slow :(

[vh0985yhf18]

it should have a balence of pvp and non but i do think the map size should stay the same but flag number should lower a small amount all every1 please leave all whining comments out. if there is sumthing u dont like then feel free 2 state it but i do dont enjoy looking at every1 complaints

[legendking3]

ummmm idk if u know this but irl it comes back to money :P but ur so cute your talking ig ^^....kk lets talk ig....capturing 5 flags on a map of that size really takes alot of "strategy" lol my idea is for them to reduce the amount of flags thus bringing the pvp element and strategy back to the tournament but hey what do i know....im slow :(

the fact is, both teams are going to be after the flags, knowning how to maintain them while fending off enemies at multiple locations is the trick to success. it makes it alot more difficult because the flags are so far apart and it's not that easy to go help someone else or to bring it all into 1 single battle. the fact of how you choose to fight the enemy is how you win.

[cherhell]

the fact is, both teams are going to be after the flags, knowning how to maintain them while fending off enemies at multiple locations is the trick to success. it makes it alot more difficult because the flags are so far apart and it's not that easy to go help someone else or to bring it all into 1 single battle. the fact of how you choose to fight the enemy is how you win.

lol im guessing fiesta is the only game u really ever played. Ok heres my strategy...i want u to come up with a way to beat it. I would have guild "A" out number guild "B" 2:1, then i will tell guild "A" to dont do anything else but to run around on their mounts collecting all flags.....what i want from u is to come up with a strategy to make guild "B" win (hopefully this little asignment i give u lol helps u see my point :P)

[AmazonPhoenix]

You obviously didn't see the semi-final on Teva, where Guild "A" outnumbered Guild "B" by AT LEAST 2:1, probably 3:1... however Guild "B" won.

[alysin]

After reading through this thread, I have to say a few things
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1.) The best way for OS to fix Guild Tourneys is to put like a 20 person or so cap for each Guild in a match.

2.) After players get used to the format of a match, they will start to rush towards flags in teams and try there best to guard/attack flags. If a 20 person limit is applies, this will make the matches much more tactical/balanced.

3.) Original poster's posts makes me get a headache trying to read them. Good grammar is nice :)

[Mewaki]

so if they do limit the number of ppl in each guild to enter, who gets chosen? And if that chosen person doesn't show up who gets their spot O.o? Or does it just reduce and no one else can enter. Just some things to think about xD

[done3000100]

I agree with alysin. As for cherhell all your trying to do is argue with other people and not see their point of view. Maybe you should just come up with a new strategy and face the fact if your outnumbered 2:1; you shouldn't have joined the tournament.:cool:

[Marck]

After reading through this thread, I have to say a few things
.
1.) The best way for OS to fix Guild Tourneys is to put like a 20 person or so cap for each Guild in a match.

2.) After players get used to the format of a match, they will start to rush towards flags in teams and try there best to guard/attack flags. If a 20 person limit is applies, this will make the matches much more tactical/balanced.

3.) Original poster's posts makes me get a headache trying to read them. Good grammar is nice :)

ehm have 20 people online at that time is almost impossible... at least in teva only 1 guild of 5 managed to have that amount or more! we max got 13 people on!
and if i not got wrong there is a players limit like 10... if in guild there aren't online 10 people the guild autolose.... infact to one of 5 guild in teva did happen that... and almost did happen to us!
and put a cap number people in a system for guild is kinda wrong i think... than u will not call it anymore guild tournament(like not all members could partecipate, u would see always same people going tournament like is kinda normal high lvl get picked to go at it respect lower lvl... and that's not funny to see in a guild where all are friends and want have fun all togheter)!
and don't think is unbalanced guild have different number of people in tournament... like we seen in semifinal in teva guild with 9 people won over guild with 20-25 people... is all about strategy/trust members/pvp/work as team strategy that do the winner

[cherhell]

You obviously didn't see the semi-final on Teva, where Guild "A" outnumbered Guild "B" by AT LEAST 2:1, probably 3:1... however Guild "B" won.

lmao no offence to guild "A" but they should stop playing checkers and start playing chess roflmfao

[cherhell]

so far what i notice is most think its the entrance fee and the time of the tournament that cuz such a poor turn out of guilds for the tournament. As of now the entance fee has been lower to 5g, now im waiting till OS pick a time that is favorable to most then if im wrong this tournament will be packed every weekend but if im right lol ur gonna see the same as ur seeing now on ur respective server. OS should open their eyes and stop catering to none sc users, just becuz some ppl cant afford sc OS seems to be actually considering taken out sc of the GT...my idea is for them to do a inter-server guild tournament, and reduce the flag count to like 3 flags...keep the entrance fee at 10g if not more lol then this GT will look the way it was meant to be...where the pvp element isnt lost in this relay race around the GT map for flags lol...the reduce flags would immediately put strategy into play