SC items Should still be allowed

[joecracker]

3. The use of cash shop items during match times should be suspended.
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as we got one about mounts heres about the other SC items.

Some people must realize, Crit suits, def suits dmg suits are part of peoples builds, and extenders and charms, when i say part of build, people build there stats and use extenders and suits and charms as a way of balancing their chars, not to mention SC pots


to suspend these items during this i do not agree with one bit

i can see no use of charms and SC pots MAYBE and thats a big maybe, but the suits and extenders no way, thats part of peoples builds, :)

[Roseanna]

I think pots and charms are the biggest problem. I mean, it was fun. I pulled out my emergency hp pot and was a brick wall... a wizard up against 2 fighters and some warlocks, spamming the pot away not dying. Dude, that was the first time I ever really lived in a crazy situation like that. xD However, was it fair? Not really. Between that and my charms, I could've had any amount of people on me without dying... til I missed my pot of course, I died once and only once for that reason. The only way someone could've gotten me dead other than that was by 1-hitting me.

However, one thing I don't want to see, is regular pots suspended as well. Don't make it like pvp kq, where we have only our stones to rely on. There's nothing wrong with t4/t5 pots. You can't expect a level 99 or under mage with 7x hp stones (or 1xx with extender) to last for 30 minutes.

Charms are a part of life nowadays... but I don't think they should be in pvp. It's great that there's strategy in this tournament other than slaughtering each other... and I'd love to see how people held up to that uncharmed as well. I hesitate to say that, because charming is the only thing that makes me a halfway decent mage nowadays... but... yeah.

Crit suits, extenders, etc. I couldn't care less about. Sure it'd be fun to see a good old-fasioned battle of the best, without sc making you the best. But disabling ALL sc would also mean disabling mounts and... well... I don't want that. It's not like suits and extenders unbalance it by much, meanwhile charms and pots make the unbalance crazy.

[joecracker]

i see why OS thinks people dont want charms and sc items i understand a lot of people dont use them much, but for us that charm for fun even and pot and all its a part of life now

simple as this, if taken out you will count out a lot of heavy SC users out, meaning a lil less money SC pots arnt cheap when u can burn threw them like butter in wars ;)

[Dragonfly77]

I'm all for the no sc tournaments. Getting sc items isn't a part of your build, it enhances your build; you don't need it and it's practically cheating. I think os would rather satisfy the majority of their customers then a couple heavy sc users. They'll lose more customers if they can't get the pvp balanced.

If they did allow sc in, only sc players would join. And if you all use sc, it's not a pvp match, its a fat wallet match. Tournaments are supposed to be based on skills.

[Roseanna]

And if you all use sc, it's not a pvp match, its a fat wallet match. Tournaments are supposed to be based on skills.
I agree with this. Sure charms and cs pots are "part of the game" now. But really, I as a squish surviving against 2 fighters and a handful of warlocks... solely because I was 70% charmed and could spam my cs pot fast enough? That's not right. Yeah sure I enjoyed it, I was laughing over here going AHAHAHAH CAN'T KILL MEEEE. But it wasn't right. The only people that will die are the ones without charms/cs pots. How is that a fair fight?

[zephyr_wind]

Honestly if someone builds their character around SC that's kinda stupid. What if for some reason they can't charge SC or buy anything? They're basically screwed :x Like I don't get how people say they 'pay to play' in Fiesta. You aren't paying to play anything You choose to pay. No one is making you pay a dime to do anything. You can make a character and be in all npc gears with a default appearance till the end of time.

[GM_Straega]

Yeah sure I enjoyed it, I was laughing over here going AHAHAHAH CAN'T KILL MEEEE. But it wasn't right. The only people that will die are the ones without charms/cs pots. How is that a fair fight?

Hmmm. Considerate.

Very admirable.

[heehaw316]

Honestly if someone builds their character around SC that's kinda stupid. What if for some reason they can't charge SC or buy anything? They're basically screwed :x Like I don't get how people say they 'pay to play' in Fiesta. You aren't paying to play anything You choose to pay. No one is making you pay a dime to do anything. You can make a character and be in all npc gears with a default appearance till the end of time.

and you'll die to everyone who glances at you with a +9 ^.~

Fiesta is a pf2p game, by saying that cash shop would not be allowed into guild tournament implies that cash shop should not be allowed into pvp kq, abyss, guild wars. Why not abolish it all together. If you want a fair fight, it ain't here.

How about this? make the guild tournament default everyone to lvl 105 +0 npc gear and 0 stat, give them 10 minute prep time to put stats and skill points and set up bars then wars away! even playing field, yay. Althought outspark isn't in the scripting business last time i checked. I mean look at the website....

[Roseanna]

Hmmm. Considerate.

Very admirable.
:o

and you'll die to everyone who glances at you with a +9 ^.~
Not really, if you have good +9'd gear (not only obtainable through spending sc yourself), a steady supply of scrolls to replace those purged, a good supply of t4/t5 hp pots, and good clerics. A +9 isn't that big and bad, especially if they're not 70% charmed with it.

Fiesta is a pf2p game, by saying that cash shop would not be allowed into guild tournament implies that cash shop should not be allowed into pvp kq, abyss, guild wars.
We're not discussing pvp kq, abyss, guild wars. We're discussing guild tournament and guild tournament only. But since you brought those up... :) I'll just point out that you can't rescroll in pvp kq and you can't use regular pots let alone cs pots, but yet you can in abyss and guild wars. Hmm. ;) Different rules for different situations.

Some of us aren't even using the blanket statement to say "all" cash shop. Mounts, extenders, +9s, apparel, etc. I couldn't care less about. But the pots and charms that make someone invincible are the problem.

If you want a fair fight, it ain't here.
Well I'm glad you can admit that it's unfair. :)

How about this? make the guild tournament default everyone to lvl 105 +0 npc gear and 0 stat, give them 10 minute prep time to put stats and skill points and set up bars then wars away! even playing field, yay.
That would be ideal. Default us all to the same level so there's no level 80's to spawn kill, no level 105's to dominate. Everyone has equal gear, equal skills. But, they'd never do that. :p We've gotta be realistic in our requests.

[joecracker]

i will wait and see what changes are made, would like to do this thing for fun but not if im told what i can and cant use that i payed for charms pots etc

[Darklink61]

However, one thing I don't want to see, is regular pots suspended as well. Don't make it like pvp kq, where we have only our stones to rely on. There's nothing wrong with t4/t5 pots. You can't expect a level 99 or under mage with 7x hp stones (or 1xx with extender) to last for 30 minutes.
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Pots Just fail in a PvP Zone.Just put on both sides a Healer like in fbz.
And some people can't even use t5 potions since they are like lvl 6x.

[salman.pisces]

3. The use of cash shop items during match times should be suspended.
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as we got one about mounts heres about the other SC items.

Some people must realize, Crit suits, def suits dmg suits are part of peoples builds, and extenders and charms, when i say part of build, people build there stats and use extenders and suits and charms as a way of balancing their chars, not to mention SC pots


to suspend these items during this i do not agree with one bit

i can see no use of charms and SC pots MAYBE and thats a big maybe, but the suits and extenders no way, thats part of peoples builds, :)

i'll have to agree that it's part of people's builds but the problem is that not everyone can use sc items.It's purely to balance the match so that there are no unfair advantages.Non sc users against charmed sc users is like humans fighting mutants(people who have special powers,to be exact,tho there are no such mutants ^^')...

EDIT:The only way to may OS allow sc items is through a poll and we all know that through a poll, the majority wont approve of sc items.

Note:If you people are under the impression that this is like the PvP KQ,then its not because pots and scrolls are allowed...

[Roseanna]

Pots Just fail in a PvP Zone.Just put on both sides a Healer like in fbz.
And some people can't even use t5 potions since they are like lvl 6x.
Pots fail in pvp how? First off, the level limit on t5 pots is the same as t4 scrolls - level 75. If anyone level 74 or under is in there, can you say mad spawn killing? xD So I don't think the level limit of t5 pots is an issue, unless you want to claim that the level limit of t4 scrolls is as well.

The cd on hp stones is too long in a fast-paced environment. At least with stones + pots, you can chain them together for a chance to live... however, if you don't time them right or if there's just too much damage being done to you, you still die. Unlike cs pots, which are endless and have no cooldown, and can stand up to any amount of people hitting you as long as noone 1-hits you.

Sure a stone merchant in the map would be cool, though.

Non sc users against charmed sc users is like humans fighting mutants
xD So true.

[alicina]

Lol, I would honestly LOVE to see everyone with no SparkCash items on! That would be insanely awsome! Everything will be so balanced it won't even be funny!!! T.T I think it's a good idea to not use SC items ~•~ lol.
EDIT: Those who relay on SparkCash is in deep fo shizzle >•< lol! It'll be quite interesting though because that person may not be used to having such low damage/defence and little hp/sp. e.e Hehehe...

[Dragonfly77]

EDIT: Those who relay on SparkCash is in deep fo shizzle >•< lol! It'll be quite interesting though because that person may not be used to having such low damage/defence and little hp/sp. e.e Hehehe...

I can't wait to pvp those kind of people!! XD Sweet revenge ;D

[calibur1015]

LMAO i got a good one how about NO

CHARMS
EXTENDERS
POTS ( regulars) only stones like pvp kq
SCROLLS ( just like pvp)

and if u did use charms or exnteders how be temporarly turned off just like pvp kq of no ussage of mounts, scrolls, and pots

the yes would be

suits, i dont c a problem with that
+9 weapons , never really cared what difference it made just more dmg

[chaoscontrol]

LMAO i got a good one how about NO

CHARMS
EXTENDERS
POTS ( regulars) only stones like pvp kq
SCROLLS ( just like pvp)

and if u did use charms or exnteders how be temporarly turned off just like pvp kq of no ussage of mounts, scrolls, and pots

the yes would be

suits, i dont c a problem with that
+9 weapons , never really cared what difference it made just more dmg

Agreed. I just think PVP KQ Should follow these circumstances as well. I always thought charms were more useful for like training and making money from Bosses, but no, lets attempt to inialate people <.<. Any I still agree with ya.

[RikoRain]

No it SHOULD be suspended. (SC should not be allowed in the tournament)

Why? Because. We all know, who on Apoline at least, will iwn, EVERY. SINGLE. TOURNAMENT. Simply because they are sc -badword- and have loads of it. Theyd all stack charm, and fully go all out. And would the rest of us have a chance? No. Exactly. It would just create another HelgaRaid monopoly for them to get free items.

[naruto167]

No, it's part of the build of a noob, if your actualy hardcore, then you don't any sc stuff. :P

[Mewaki]

People use to just charm before the pvp kq started so that way they had it on them when they go in. Did they change this or still able to do? I haven't done pvp kq for so long bc I can't til I lvl more xD But yeah if its still able to do then it'd be the same in pvp kq

[tempacc]

3. The use of cash shop items during match times should be suspended.
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as we got one about mounts heres about the other SC items.

Some people must realize, Crit suits, def suits dmg suits are part of peoples builds, and extenders and charms, when i say part of build, people build there stats and use extenders and suits and charms as a way of balancing their chars, not to mention SC pots

You're joking right? This doesn't balance ANYTHING. Characters are balanced with their natural stats. The only reasoning I can find behind you thinking that SC balances things is you comparing an SC player to a non SC player... SC is THE BIGGEST REASON THIS GAME IS UNBALANCED. Take it out and you have a near perfect game.

SC items DO NOT "contribute" to a players build. They take a build, give that character what they don't have so that every character has every stat. With SC, I know an 8x Fighter that has the same mdmg as a Lv 7x +9 Mage... Yeah. That's totally balanced...

I can honestly say that this post right here has pissed me off more than any other post in a long time.

People use to just charm before the pvp kq started so that way they had it on them when they go in. Did they change this or still able to do? I haven't done pvp kq for so long bc I can't til I lvl more xD But yeah if its still able to do then it'd be the same in pvp kq

Yeah they still do that... Kinda pathetic how it's only the people with tons of truces that do it though...

[alicina]

I remember I went to PvP KQ once and this archer had extenders with T3 scrolls and stuff. She was level 55, I was 67 at the time. And she killed me in about 2 hits...I mean COMMON!!! ¬.¬

[MindSlash]

No, it's part of the build of a noob, if your actualy hardcore, then you don't any sc stuff. :P

Lol, try to beat a SC -badword- with your +0 gears! one word: imposible! (I consider +9 a semi-SC item since there's no way to enhance something withtout SC, talking about T3-t5)




And I Agree with OS not allowing Sc here, Finally some justice!! >:] . Lol ill take some words from the Pker's. "If u dun leik eet, dun gu th3r3 ...N00b!!!"
so now you know how it feels ^^

[Now_In_Lush_Color]

I think suspending SC for it is a fantastic idea.

Joe, SC items are ABSOLUTELY NOT a part of a build. They are an enhancement to a build.

The way I see it, if you can only do something while you're using cash shop items, you shouldn't be doing it.


The lack of cash shop items would be a PHENOMENAL balance. Unheard of nowadays. A fair fight is near-impossible to come by. Haha I'm like overwhelmingly ecstatic about this, before charms, I genuinely enjoyed pvp.

If OS didn't allow SC in the tourney:
There would be strategy again!
Everyone could walk away without all the "OMG, CHARM NOOB PROVE YOU'RE NOT CHARMED NOOB PKER" and hopefully have a newfound respect for the actual skill some players portray.

Hats off. :]

[joecracker]

by part of a build i mean listen, u want high hp but u want str as fighter you can use a 50% extnder and go full str type of thing, SC items can be used as part of your build, get it now?

def suit crit suits can all be part of the build you choose to go since you have suit and extenders, wasnt a hard idea to grasp

[savaro]

by part of a build i mean listen, u want high hp but u want str as fighter you can use a 50% extnder and go full str type of thing, SC items can be used as part of your build, get it now?

def suit crit suits can all be part of the build you choose to go since you have suit and extenders, wasnt a hard idea to grasp

you dont get what the above poster says, you say its part of a build having high hp and be full str. i think its not its unbalanced to have both.

Am really sad this aint a p2p game.. f2p cost like 20times more=/ if you want to be with the best. And you will see a compagny will do everything they can to make more profit. I dont blame outspark for this if i had a compagny i woul d exactly do the same but in my openion the more sc you put in it (which is rising ea day makes the game a little worse). For example there people that htink extenders are a part of a build.

You know what would make it alot cooler? NO charms NO crit suits No extenders. Yes mounts Yes enhancement Yes all kind of non stat clothes for 500sc.

People who have $$$ can spend it on enhancement now they can make huge profit with that and become godly. but someone that knows market can become godly 2 without spending $$$ the sc makes it now easier to get something and not its impossible to get without $$$

for me this game is only 1/2 F2p cause there alot of things you cant get without spark cash.

[HeroicAce]

by part of a build i mean listen, u want high hp but u want str as fighter you can use a 50% extnder and go full str type of thing, SC items can be used as part of your build, get it now?

def suit crit suits can all be part of the build you choose to go since you have suit and extenders, wasnt a hard idea to grasp

i see what your saying, and i definitely agree that people will say they are a part of their build. however, that is still a false statement. a build is how you arrange your free stats, skills, and gear stats. sc items, while people might depend and rely on them to get the kind of build they want, are available only when you spend actual money and therefore are an extra to the game.

also another way to prove sc items are extra is that people who dont use them arent lacking anything. they can still make a really good build regardless of whether or not they spend money.

so as far as pvp goes i have to say i think sc items should be nixed from the tourney. it just isnt fair to allow extras into it when not everyone can get them. and if you do rely on sc items for your build all i can really say is tough luck. personally i think its much wiser to make a build that is enhanced by sc items, not depended on them. think of what you would do if you suddenly were no longer able to buy sc but still wanted to play fiesta, youd be up a creek.

well thats my short two cents. hope its helpful. and if i stepped on any toes im sorry, im just trying to state my honest opinion.

[gamergal]

well i don't want to participate in it because i am not rich enough for all those cheating charms so i feel it's very unfair that charms and sc shop items should be allowed because some of us cannot afford them simple as that. As Dragonfly said, it would be a fatwallet contest and i know some of the rich people couldnt care less bout the people who cannot afford it. lol I dont care if you care or not, but it is simply unfair to have walking sc shops against people who cannot afford them..

[siyenne]

GT should be about skill and cooperation not how much money you can waste.
My thoughts exactly.