Fighter Defence

[chroniclefighter]

After totally regearing my fighter and building him more for defence rather than power i found that i can get 2754 def without the use of scrolls party buffs charms or HG was just wondering if any under lvl 95 fighters have more.
Apreciate any feedback <3

[Fre_ak]

screenie plz

[Deux_Murakama]

I'm kind of wondering how you could hit that much without charms etc.


I can hit 2394 with shield at 93, with a Lvl 80 shield, maybe thats the difference, if so then I'm pretty sure alot of fighters could hit defense like that.
Note: I'm wearing a 76 +9 Helmet.

[chroniclefighter]

well im still using an 80 top as HeavensNight still has my smexy one xD but yea +9 90 shield +9 86 helm ect is still room for improvement i just dont know if its worth spending more so close to 95

[chroniclefighter]

But let u in on a little secret my mdef still sucksssssssss xDD i will never have mdef good enough for pvp thats what i have magey for xD

[Deux_Murakama]

I hit 2.4k, grabbed my friends helm but too lazy to buy a +9 lvl 90 shield ._. waste of money but you can get alot more with 85 +9 gears, and my mdef hits 989 with my mage killing rings.

[chroniclefighter]

il trade u some def for some mdef <3 989 is pretty damn sexy although il go back to power pretty soon i sacrifiiced alot of it to build up my def can be frustrating

[drigr_x]

Yup. You get to choose uber tanker OR uber DD.

[Deux_Murakama]

You can have the Defence and the Power in one, just not the HP.
1h Skill builds + Full Strenght.
I hit like 1.3k mdef with a hg sgield or a bit more i forgot.

[zephyr_wind]

Move to fighter section maybe?

[wannabeguyo]

Because this belongs in general discussion./sarcasm

[chroniclefighter]

sorry im a def god not a forum guru

[Sharlyne]

sorry im a def god not a forum guru

why dint you ss it ? D:

[Horinia]

Im at that range with my 76 helm still. Very easily possible.

[chroniclefighter]

lol for those that requested screen shots il download xfire when i log off game tonight its the only way i can SS

[Linabella]

psh ._. screenie your def and premium inven to see what sc stuff you have <3

just saying you have that much def doesnt go to far without proof :rolleyes: lol

[SweaterMittens]

full end, +9gears, def/mdef sc items

[Ciocolajs]

so what gears is exactly +9 or are you full +9?
right now my fighter got 3.4k def and 1150+ mdef natural D: he ish 97 :3

[joecracker]

i could beleive it, full end max end +9 gears 40 end rings 10 end earings 10 end necklace,

if get def SC stuff and high stat pets :)


now the question is whats your HP

[Dthugtherealist]

a guildie has 2520 with shield with 75 shirt 85 boots/pants 86 helm so I can imagine what if u went for str8 up def with a godly 85 set with max end 86 helm HG shield prolly sik nasty and don't wanna know

[chroniclefighter]

i think this thread has served its purpose pretty well i was surprised how easy it was for me to get that def after adding end to build and going 1h and shield im accused of charm alot and it becomes annoying ppl saying its impossible to have that amount of def without hg, scrolls, charm, or cleric thanks for repilies from Zan and Hori who have done the same as me and im sure have the same issues. Hope this will help silence the doubters <3 oh and lol yes full +9 Eldirecto ^^ and with def like that im glad i wont find u in my pvp zone xD

[Deux_Murakama]

Yup, get me a 90+9 shield and i'll be at that def Chroni! :D
Sorry if you guys have your doubts, he can hit that with End in his build with the correct +9s and no sc gear besides whatever pet he might have on, but as far as I know pets add END, not def. I can't say much since I;m more of a HP ***** fighter but that defence is possible without sc gear, end of story.

[chroniclefighter]

lmfao @ Sugiya's siggy thats horrible!! <33 u Sugi but its creepy xD

[doi2in]

I did alright at 96 but I am not sure what my best was before 95.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6907/11kdef.jpg

[Deux_Murakama]

HG pre-nerfed ._. I want that... so bad *waits for cap raise + hg shield def rise* 12k hp... + 11k def... amg fap


so what gears is exactly +9 or are you full +9?
right now my fighter got 3.4k def and 1150+ mdef natural D: he ish 97 :3

Well at 97 i's think you'd hit that much 95 gears give a dozy, but I can tell you arent a fan of the End Spr Gears ._. I hit 989 at 93, without diamond rings. I'm going to be a magekilling machine.. I think?xD

[Linabella]

i still see no screenie =o

[chroniclefighter]

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2715174#post2715174

[Linabella]

the point of posting that thread is...?

[ahtai]

^-^ Chronic have that many defense. I can proof it by falling a sleeping while healing him XD. Nothing to do......

<3 love your defense.

[Krozz]

i still see no screenie =oIn my experience you won't admit that screenshots have any validity anyways o.o

On the topic of the thread...2.7k def and no one thinks fighters are overpowred? >.>

[neko_play]

Personally, my level 50 fighter has 1099 def and 296x hp without buffs of ANY kind (No charms, extenders, scrolls, party buff, marriage, guild, spark suit or guild token rings)...So I don't find this at all surpising. I'm that if I were to actually level my fighter, instead of trying to get another 50 blue from honeying, I would eventually be able to beat your def.

However...There is a...lack of mdef...34x... But anyway, there you have it.

[Sharlyne]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l320/akatsukishar/helgashield.jpg

R.I.P Q__Q

[King_Obito]

I miss the old def Y_Y.

[BlackDragonEX]

2.4k deff, boots not +9 and only 24end, shield not +9,75 pants and shirt +9 max end,76+9 helm max end. Str build.

12xx nat mdeff with mdeff rings.

7.2k nat hp x.x

[chroniclefighter]

my point exactly Krozz :P will always be doubters

[salman.pisces]

sorry im a def god not a forum guru

of course you're not.
The rules are there for a reason >.>

[Linabella]

In my experience you won't admit that screenshots have any validity anyways o.o

On the topic of the thread...2.7k def and no one thinks fighters are overpowred? >.>

in my experience, annoying little noob magies who are obviously looking for a fight should keep the fighting to the other thread that we faught in (which i lost btw =o was sick that week .-. )

and as for your def, i just want a screenie because my hubby has almost that def..but i want to know if he can get higher so i wanna see what sc stuff you have and if you really have no cleric buffs/double marriage buffs/etc ..if you could just SAY you had that much def and think some people would believe you without proof then you have got to be kidding xD if so then..

my mage is lvl 93 and has 2.8k base def. without party buffs/cookies/marriage buffs :D but i cant show a screenie because i dont feel like it!! believe me?!?? :D

^btw that was an example of what you are doing ..if i had that much def i would be 100 by now x__x

[Blaxcalibur]

in my experience, annoying little noob magies who are obviously looking for a fight should keep the fighting to the other thread that we faught in (which i lost btw =o was sick that week .-. )

and as for your def, i just want a screenie because my hubby has almost that def..but i want to know if he can get higher so i wanna see what sc stuff you have and if you really have no cleric buffs/double marriage buffs/etc ..if you could just SAY you had that much def and think some people would believe you without proof then you have got to be kidding xD if so then..

my mage is lvl 93 and has 2.8k base def. without party buffs/cookies/marriage buffs :D but i cant show a screenie because i dont feel like it!! believe me?!?? :D

^btw that was an example of what you are doing ..if i had that much def i would be 100 by now x__x

imma follow on this one...it prolly is possible, but this many pages and still no screenie brings doubts..especially since your sayin your usin no buffs/scrolls/charms/HG shield but if its with def sc suits then ok, thats reasonable.

@ krozz

again with the "fighters are OP" thing again -_-

his def means nothin against mdmg, dont turn this into a fighter vs mage argument.

[doi2in]

I miss the HG shield defense too.

But, I miss Biju and Rye too. I must make a visit soon.

[Krozz]

in my experience, annoying little noob magies who are obviously looking for a fight should keep the fighting to the other thread that we faught in (which i lost btw =o was sick that week .-. )
If you're still interested you can see the part where I won, here's a LINK (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224593&page=11)


and as for your def, i just want a screenie because my hubby has almost that def..but i want to know if he can get higher so i wanna see what sc stuff you have and if you really have no cleric buffs/double marriage buffs/etc ..if you could just SAY you had that much def and think some people would believe you without proof then you have got to be kidding xD if so then..Plenty of other fighters posting about their defense being in the same area, maybe trust their word since they know more about fighter defense than mages. Even if you don't trust the 4 or 5 people saying they have def in that range, it's well known fact fighters have massive defense.

his def means nothin against mdmg, dont turn this into a fighter vs mage argumentOk, but the majority of monsters use regular damage, don't they?

[Linabella]

If you're still interested you can see the part where I won, here's a LINK (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224593&page=11)

Plenty of other fighters posting about their defense being in the same area, maybe trust their word since they know more about fighter defense than mages. Even if you don't trust the 4 or 5 people saying they have def in that range, it's well known fact fighters have massive defense.
Ok, but the majority of monsters use regular damage, don't they?

actually sir o.o that was the argument about 40% charms..when the whole thread was a argument about them being used in pvp ..so as the old saying goes.. you might have won the fight but you havent won the war :D (and btw .. i didnt even know 40% charms existed as i said in that thread that many of my friends said they did not o.o ) but anywho..not gonna start this topic in this dudes thread..

he said that he wants feedback and wanted to see if anyone got higher ...so im saying that he should post a screenie to see what sc stuff he has so other fighters can try to get as high ._. ..and anywho, he could still be lying about not having a cleric and buffs

as for this part i bolded.. if you were 9x or had any knowledge of 9x places then you would understand that the majority of monsters in 9x areas are infact magic monsters.. they do mostly magic dmg and mdef is very helpful

(i hate that every thread i try to give my feedback or opinion in you hop in and start a dang argument..its seriously sickening and disgusting to know that i cant have any sort of peace with you disagreeing with everything i say on every topic i try to talk on..seriously, get a life and grow up you pathetic excuse for a mage..i refuse to have another argument with someone who doesnt have anything better to do then pick fights with anyone they want on the public forums ..so this will be the last time i say or do anything to acknowledge you, go find someone else to pick fights with.. kthxbye)

[chroniclefighter]

wow guys chill lets not fight ^^ i already took some end out to put in dex and spr lol. <33333 The end but in pvp fighters with my old build 50 dex then full str pose a problem is alot of debate as to what dex does for a fighter but one things for sure we should all add some!!! <333 Marty aka Fight/Fury_Knight the original dexy fighter

Note: Had no intention for this thread to become a venting/argument thread its only purose is to see the limits of each fighter build as iv been switching between them so yes iv totally moved on already to the subject of dex for fighters love all your feedback but please dont let debates get too heated its puts me off making threads and im sure it deters others from voicing there opinion.


Oh!! almost forgot as for complaints as to where i started this thread if i have broken rules without intending to or upset someone by placing this here then im sure il hear from the relevant ppl in due course and its my head on the chopping block if iv done anything wrong not yours so dont worry yourself over it <3 However i will start the dex thread in the "appropriate location" if that is any consolation.

[Linabella]

so you DONT have that def anymore and DONT have any proof of you having it in the first place? ._. kinda makes me think you made up a number and posted a thread about an imaginary def that you never had

[Blackremnant]

:/ i had a lvl 90 +9 shield with end+41, and my defense was up at around 2.5k. 2.7 tho...........x.x dang

[neko_play]

This is for all the screeny hungry freaks, enjoy.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Acid_Snow/Fiesta2009-10-0200-20-21-75.jpg

As a reminder, there is a huge jump between warrior and clever fighter.

[Blaxcalibur]

Ok, but the majority of monsters use regular damage, don't they?

so whats overpowered about a tank having high defense? thats kinda one of the things this class is based around.

anyway this is off topic, dont want this to escalate

edit: 4got about this


as for this part i bolded.. if you were 9x or had any knowledge of 9x places then you would understand that the majority of monsters in 9x areas are infact magic monsters.. they do mostly magic dmg and mdef is very helpful


@ OP
annndd i already have dex in my build and had it for a while now

[chroniclefighter]

sigh* Lin fyi i still have very good def and yes i could use more of my computers already very fragile memory and download Xfire just for u and take 100's of screenies and post them all on here just for u to say they are not valid or could easily be faked some of the most experienced and top fighters have already replied and said YES I AM IN THE SAME RANGE!!! i think that is proof enough u dont need a charm to hit that def!!! why are u so intent on making something into a fight??? i guess it would really blow your mind if i told u with charms/buffs ect i could hit well over 6k def? just take the thread for what it is and stop btw since making this thread iv learnt of a 93 fighter that can get 2.6k def with no end in his build!!! beyond belief?? hehe maybe for u.

Note: I know ppl will ask me to name the fighter but il ask his permission 1st he's a good friend and i dont want him harrassed over this.

[Krozz]

so whats overpowered about a tank having high defense? thats kinda one of the things this class is based around.Nothing, but they have the highest def armor and hight damage weapons, too

On the topic of the thread, removing some free stat end shouldn't make a huge difference, it only adds .5 def per point.

[Linabella]

sigh* Lin fyi i still have very good def and yes i could use more of my computers already very fragile memory and download Xfire just for u and take 100's of screenies and post them all on here just for u to say they are not valid or could easily be faked some of the most experienced and top fighters have already replied and said YES I AM IN THE SAME RANGE!!! i think that is proof enough u dont need a charm to hit that def!!! why are u so intent on making something into a fight??? i guess it would really blow your mind if i told u with charms/buffs ect i could hit well over 6k def? just take the thread for what it is and stop btw since making this thread iv learnt of a 93 fighter that can get 2.6k def with no end in his build!!! beyond belief?? hehe maybe for u.

Note: I know ppl will ask me to name the fighter but il ask his permission 1st he's a good friend and i dont want him harrassed over this.


why do you need xfire to screenie? ._. cant you just hit .."print screen" lol and as i stated i simply want to see if someone can get higher then your def but im not even gonna have him try if you arent willing to give me proof of your def and what sc stuff you have ._. lol

you cant just make a thread saying you have this def and not expect people to want a screenie ._. sorry

[chroniclefighter]

Point taken but iv only just started having memory issues comp keeps restarting itself over it at random times and no idk why print screen key doesnt work but id be happy to try anything anyone can suggest if it helps :P and yea ppl that know me know they can take my word at face value ^^

[Linabella]

you should try a full system restore ._. might have a bad installed program or something .. and when you press print screen you looked in your documents for a "fiesta" folder? cuz thats where they are suppose to go.. but my laptops different anywho xD i need to hold down the "FN" key and press "print screen" for my screenies to take Dx

[Blaxcalibur]

Nothing, but they have the highest def armor and hight pdmg damage weapons, too

On the topic of the thread, removing some free stat end shouldn't make a huge difference, it only adds .5 def per point.

fixed that for you. and most mobs that you grind on/do repeat quest with have much lower mdef than pdef, no? top physical dmg and def class is fighter..not much else to say about that

anywaaay i only have 2220 def...im not a end freak..ill take lower end long as theres high dex on the gear, my def dropped cuz i sold my 85+9 boots (they give more def that 84+9 boots), helm is +0, im usin a 75 top, and goc rings. granted theres a bunch of things i can do to get def, 2.7k still gives suspicion

[bigj3234]

At lv79 I am just shy of 1900 def with shield, so I should think that at 93 (?) 2.7k is no biggie.

[havik12]

I hit 2.5/2.6 with full +9 75/88 fighter gear and a HG shield +9. So its kind of impossible

[bigj3234]

I hit 2.5/2.6 with full +9 75/88 fighter gear and a HG shield +9. So its kind of impossible

Because *you* can't do it it is not possible for *anyone* to do it?

Also, I believe the +9 bonus of the HG shield is still bugged?

At 90, if you have all 90 gears with max end, 2 40 end rings, 10 end on necklace and 10 end on earrings you will have 362 extra defense (Assuming 84/86/88/90 gears). If also full END you get an extra 52 defense for a total of 414 defense, just from END.

Factor in natural defense of being a lvl90 fighter, and the defense provided by all of your +9 gears.

Easily possible.

[neko_play]

I hit 2.5/2.6 with full +9 75/88 fighter gear and a HG shield +9. So its kind of impossible

I must say it, it's laughable that you don't believe a 9x can have that much def. As I showed my fighter, at level 50, has 1.1k, is it truely that hard to believe that a 9x can have 2.7k? No. If you like, I can also show my gear, with the exception of the shield, the shirt is 35 blue and the rest is 4x. I'm sorry to say that you fail.

[chroniclefighter]

xD Im gonna try full dex and try get hold of some max dex gears i believe the extreme eva will more than make up for the drop in def and hp in a pvp zone maybe not so much for pve though

oh and thanks for the advice Lina but yea think its time for my 3rd new lappy in a year fiesta kills my comps!!!

[Krozz]

xD Im gonna try full dex and try get hold of some max dex gears i believe the extreme eva will more than make up for the drop in def and hp in a pvp zone maybe not so much for pve thoughIt might help more than you think for PvE. I haven't done muh grinding in higher level areas, but at lvl 75 with no dex on my armor monsters in the lvl 9X abyss and Burning Rock still miss me on occasion.

[Dthugtherealist]

eh to this thread i think its entirely possible for even a non full end fighter to hit even higher than the op's def get a hg shield with as high end as possible hg 1h with as much end as possible 85 boots/pants with 4xend 90/85 shirt with 4x end 86 helm with 4xend 40end rings and max ended or close to max ended earings/necklace right there maybe even 3kdef and yes it has to be all +9.

also I noticed in the op's siggy he's searching for the perfect fighter build to me there is none ;) there is just 1 imperfect and thats having int in there lol

[Linabella]

good luck with the dex thing dude x.x fighters have poor dex and eva as it is xD so it'll prolly help for pvp alot but not so much for pve considering all 9x mobs are mostly mdmg and mdmg from mobs dont miss ><

[Fight_Knight]

wow guys chill lets not fight ^^ i already took some end out to put in dex and spr lol. <33333 The end but in pvp fighters with my old build 50 dex then full str pose a problem is alot of debate as to what dex does for a fighter but one things for sure we should all add some!!! <333 Marty aka Fight/Fury_Knight the original dexy fighter



<3 james, =P

and yea, youre a beast with those shiney +13% def cs suits, =P.

but my goal is to hit 95, and pass dorin's def with my smexy blues, =D

[Fight_Knight]

good luck with the dex thing dude x.x fighters have poor dex and eva as it is xD so it'll prolly help for pvp alot but not so much for pve considering all 9x mobs are mostly mdmg and mdmg from mobs dont miss ><

thats a lie, lol. the TM boss will miss my fighter all the time, with or without scrolls/immobolize. every skill CAN miss, beside the mages OP moves of course.

[GM_Nekopon]

Moving to Fighter discussion.

[Linabella]

the TM boss also has normal dmg attacks doesnt he..? lol

[neko_play]

All things that deal damage can miss, magic skills included.

[Krozz]

All things that deal damage can miss, magic skills included.Mages Nova and Inferno are exceptions. If you're in the area you'll take damage.

[yego49]

befor a hg raid i tanked :P
if u cant see def its 5359
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/freaker15/ripped.jpg

[Dthugtherealist]

lol freaker he's talking bout Natural def not cookied Def

[yego49]

alright lol 2.6k with 90 shield
il show pic soon

[Dthugtherealist]

Cooooolz Freaker eat that tuna I got 2330 only >> But I got just a 75 top not a 90 one or 85 one so it could be higher not sure

[kemo_sabe]

WEll I push 2.2k Def with No Sc and 90str 14dex atm. Scrolled and 80 +9 fighter sheild with 39str 23end XD<~~~then again Im addicted to HP so my gears are all +9 with 40+end 30+dex/spr Its not that hard If i Charm i get 2.8k def with no end in Build. Just depends on your gear. and HOLY CRAP!!!Freaker 5.3k def. What the heck are u eating?!! Can i get some???