whats wrong whith this guild

[jannij777]

Today _BlackAngels_,Collision aranged a helga raid whith over 30+ people lvl90-105 (full charmed)
no server ride,just a 2 guild ride
and then a.........guild ,(i think all teva know which guild it is)just came in whith about 5-7 people to make just the most DAmage.

that 5-7 people alone couldnt do alone that ride, so i asked them to leave,but they igonored me,so what to do about greedy selfish people like this?


i know that over 30+people from collision ,BA spend a lot $$ to make this ride,and we will not alow us nobody to steal our money like this,because this is stealing $$$.

[Darklink61]

We should get them

http://www.gambling911.com/files/publisher/Banned-011109L_1.jpg

[erkan26]

dang what goes around comes around lol just sayin yall kinda brought this on yalls selves if yall saw that u kno who were there first
yall shouldnt never charmed or anything and no1 made yall keep on attacking

[jannij777]

dang what goes around comes around lol just sayin yall kinda brought this on yalls selves if yall saw that u kno who were there first
yall shouldnt never charmed or anything and no1 made yall keep on attacking

you was no first,and whith the amount of people you started you couldnt even come close ,to kill helga

[solarwings]

-is curious about which guild-

[siblyx]

-is curious about which guild-

NO BLACK LISTING :3

^From^
^Bijou^

[Rzpect]

Ioann, this is not the first time...
last time LL was doing a private raid and they came in and started it.

[Marck]

Today _BlackAngels_,Collision aranged a helga raid whith over 30+ people lvl90-105 (full charmed)
no server ride,just a 2 guild ride
and then a.........guild ,(i think all teva know which guild it is)just came in whith about 5-7 people to make just the most DAmage.

that 5-7 people alone couldnt do alone that ride, so i asked them to leave,but they igonored me,so what to do about greedy selfish people like this?


i know that over 30+people from collision ,BA spend a lot $$ to make this ride,and we will not alow us nobody to steal our money like this,because this is stealing $$$.

first we not just came in, we were already there when u showed up... 10 of us were at raid... and that is amount of people we need for take down helga as guild! infact we pulled helga to gate and killed it... i not seen any of other guilds pull helga and tank it thought!

and when u came in and says to leave this is colli/ba raid when we were already there i replyed u this is server raid since u came in like we were already there so not says ignored u!
and u been shouting also to people by others guilds that were there to leave... was a server raid! we not sayd to anyone to leave and we were there already... just took it as server raid like it been

[BlackDragonEX]

lol .

[jannij777]

first we not just came in, we were already there when u showed up... 10 of us were at raid... and that is amount of people we need for take down helga as guild! infact we pulled helga to gate and killed it... i not seen any of other guilds pull helga and tank it thought!

and when u came in and says to leave this is colli/ba raid when we were already there i replyed u this is server raid since u came in like we were already there so not says ignored u!
and u been shouting also to people by others guilds that were there to leave... was a server raid! we not sayd to anyone to leave and we were there already... just took it as server raid like it been

i dont think so that you was first

[Darklink61]

first we not just came in, we were already there when u showed up... 10 of us were at raid... and that is amount of people we need for take down helga as guild! infact we pulled helga to gate and killed it... i not seen any of other guilds pull helga and tank it thought!


lol then you didnt watched Collisions Raid.Pulling isnt hard.Tanking isnt hard as well.
You are just lucky enough to have a few archer 95+ in your guild thats it :p.
You couldnt even come close to kill helga without them so yea.

[BlackDragonEX]

lol then you didnt watched Collisions Raid.Pulling isnt hard.Tanking isnt hard as well.
You are just lucky enough to have a few archer 95+ in your guild thats it :p.
You couldnt even come close to kill helga without them so yea.

Do it yourself then?

[jannij777]

Ioann, this is not the first time...
last time LL was doing a private raid and they came in and started it.


i know,all about it ,thhey are looking some guild to go kill it,then they just show up,

because they cant kill it alone whith the amount of people that time


my question to this guild now is;

how many times ,a other guild came in your rides ,and trying to kill it?

This guild are making enemys in a world ,who the numbers will win

now its more complicated,its this guild v all teva guilds

look around,and ask, nobody is happy whith this guild right now




is that not kinda greedy ,selfish?

dont have the other people in teva the right to get a helga weap?

[SteiN]

we have killed it with 9 people thats all im saying we had like 13+ there sooo yeaaaaaaaa okayyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Shadowic2]

Alrighty, I'm going to add this in before things get too crazy.

Please try to remain courteous and civil to one another. If you have a bone to pick with someone, please take it to PMs or let it go.

I understand that Helga raids can be frustrating considering that anyone can enter the area, which makes it hard to do things exclusively with the people you'd like to down Helga with, but please remember that anyone is free to enter the area and not one person or group owns a map.

Thanks.

[Marck]

i dont think so that you was first

ok pming u names of first people by ba/collision showed up... asks them if we weren't already there

[SteiN]

Alrighty, I'm going to add this in before things get too crazy.

Please try to remain courteous and civil to one another. If you have a bone to pick with someone, please take it to PMs or let it go.

I understand that Helga raids can be frustrating considering that anyone can enter the area, which makes it hard to do things exclusively with the people you'd like to down Helga with, but please remember that anyone is free to enter the area and not one person or group owns a map.

Thanks.


THANK YOU SHADOW!!! couldn't of said it better myself.

[jannij777]

Alrighty, I'm going to add this in before things get too crazy.

Please try to remain courteous and civil to one another. If you have a bone to pick with someone, please take it to PMs or let it go.

I understand that Helga raids can be frustrating considering that anyone can enter the area, which makes it hard to do things exclusively with the people you'd like to down Helga with, but please remember that anyone is free to enter the area and not one person or group owns a map.

Thanks.


then if i send ss first hiting (axe throw)it that means all the others are ks in me?if yes you will bann them ?

[BlackDragonEX]

i know,all about it ,thhey are looking some guild to go kill it,then they just show up,

because they cant kill it alone whith the amount of people that time


my question to this guild now is;

how many times ,a other guild came in your rides ,and trying to kill it?

This guild are making enemys in a world ,who the numbers will win

now its more complicated,its this guild v all teva guilds

look around,and ask, nobody is happy whith this guild right now




is that not kinda greedy ,selfish?

dont have the other people in teva the right to get a helga weap?

Its not kiled everyday -.-'' You allways will have chances to kill it.

[Marck]

ioann clean your PM can't send u that full

[karvaj]

btw why is THAT guild still raiding.. I mean seriously.. I bet they have like 10 of every kind of helga wep.. lame much?

[jannij777]

ok pming u names of first people by ba/collision showed up... asks them if we weren't already there

you have any SS proving it?

[jannij777]

btw why is THAT guild still raiding.. I mean seriously.. I bet they have like 10 of every kind of helga wep.. lame much?

its called selfish,greedy

[jannij777]

ioann clean your PM can't send u that full

why you think i want any pm of you guys?

[pokemon4955]

Why why if only if only the woodpecker sighs the trees on the bark would shining bright.
So many drama in such a MMO game lmao x:

[Shadowic2]

THANK YOU SHADOW!!! couldn't of said it better myself.

Lol, You're welcome.

then if i send ss first hiting (axe throw)it that means all the others are ks in me?if yes you will bann them ?

I have no authority when it comes to in-game issues and punishments. Most cases of Kill-stealing do not end up in bans unless its a serious case or the CSR's have noticed they have multiple offenses.

If you have sufficient proof of harassment or Kill-stealing, please feel free to send it to a CSR by submitting a ticket. You can get to the ticket form either through my signature or the support tab at the top of the page.

They will look into the issue and do what they see best fit depending on the situation and the information given.

Also, please do not Multi-post. This can be considered spamming and makes it difficult for those trying to follow this thread. If you have something to add or would like to respond to multiple people please use the Edit and Quote+ buttons.

I would advise that you do try to speak with these guys via PM. You may come to some sort of resolution to this issue. Not only that but you guys can do what I've asked in my previous warning and take any and all negativity and drama to PMs.

[SteiN]

its called we try to share with every single guildie we have *note u guys get a 1h and what do u do with it u sell it i bet some1 in ur guild coulda use that if ne1 selfish its u guys because we spread our hgs out throughout the guild thats why we raid to get more so they can be spread throughout the guild

[iharakiri]

lol it's kinda hard to go kill it any time we want, when we get trained and warred for just going there, because friends on our fl that we think our friends, tell a certain guild who is there, and all of a sudden, we're warred, then we're trained. So dont go saying we can kill it any time we want, 'cause you all make sure that doesnt happen and brag about being the only guild on teva to be able to kill it. Well yea, if everyone in teva did the same to you, you wouldnt be able to kill it either.

Just something to think about.

[SteiN]

FYI we do get trained every raide we're at we get trained I cna maybe think of one time were we didnt get trianed and fyi we never trianed ne1 u guys just see us there and cast blame because you hate us

[BlackDragonEX]

FYI we do get trained every raide we're at we get trained I cna maybe think of one time were we didnt get trianed and fyi we never trianed ne1 u guys just see us there and cast blame because you hate us

Yea what Niet said, We also get Spam wared by all you jealous guys out there (:

[iharakiri]

lol? kinda funny that we almost had it, then all of a sudden, trained. And I've never wasted my time warring you guys ;D so dont blame "everyone" lol.

[jannij777]

.....they are doing this all the times ,and after raid they are leaving comments like"thanks for all,helping us to get more helga weaps","thanks all for comming" i have 3 difernt ss from differnt raids i will gather also all ss from old raides we got trained from this guild

people who have also ss from them training send it to me,i will send them all together in 2 days

i think its enough and its time to stop them


i dont have anything else to say the videos and ss will talk

[BlackDragonEX]

You guys obv dont know about helga's skills then do you lol.

[pokemon4955]

this is so bs o.o people hatin on each other just because of a certain guild name above their head,never judge a person by the guild :x thats where drama starts,

take me for instance,i dont do nothing and just attend raids and i by this time must be hatred to some guild cuz im in coll lmao

[Darklink61]

Do it yourself then?
We did Yesterday kthx (:
then if i send ss first hiting (axe throw)it that means all the others are ks in me?if yes you will bann them ?
Good Point.
btw why is THAT guild still raiding.. I mean seriously.. I bet they have like 10 of every kind of helga wep.. lame much?
Like Ioann said.

Most cases of Kill-stealing do not end up in bans unless its a serious case or the CSR's have noticed they have multiple offenses.

So What's a "serious ks case" then.
I mean if some people waste the charm of 20people and their cs pots and scrolls isnt this a "serious case" ?
*note u guys get a 1h and what do u do with it u sell it i bet some1 in ur guild coulda use that if ne1 selfish its u guys because we spread our hgs out throughout the guild thats why we raid to get more so they can be spread throughout the guild
This is our first Hg.How many HGs you guys already sold huh?
Why there's always 1 hated Guild on Teva, when the old one becomes nice. =/
lol it's kinda hard to go kill it any time we want, when we get trained and warred for just going there, because friends on our fl that we think our friends, tell a certain guild who is there, and all of a sudden, we're warred, then we're trained. So dont go saying we can kill it any time we want, 'cause you all make sure that doesnt happen and brag about being the only guild on teva to be able to kill it. Well yea, if everyone in teva did the same to you, you wouldnt be able to kill it either.

Just something to think about.
Totally right lol.Already happened a lot of times.
FYI we do get trained every raide we're at we get trained I cna maybe think of one time were we didnt get trianed and fyi we never trianed ne1 u guys just see us there and cast blame because you hate us

1 Raid? you didnt got trained?Wow i was on...at least 5 of your Raids and you never got trained.

[SteiN]

Please then pm me who trained u i'd really like to know who you think did it within our guild.

[Marck]

you have any SS proving it?

not SS like i think u could asks them and see it... or i get it like u wont trust your guildies without a SS?

[iharakiri]

you cant blame it on helga when I have boomdude saying him self that he knew we got trained, but he blamed it on Collision, said he had the SS's, I told him to send them to me, and guess what, "I dont want to start drama" because he knew it was bull and he knew who it was, so dont even try to blame helga hun.

[Marck]

why you think i want any pm of you guys?

and need pm like on forum can't write names... that's all

[cherhell]

FYI we do get trained every raide we're at we get trained I cna maybe think of one time were we didnt get trianed and fyi we never trianed ne1 u guys just see us there and cast blame because you hate us

LOL i think this guild that is being talked about does this to people that they know think a certain way lol..... with my mind set we all would be sitting in helga tomb waiting and watching and wasting charms ^^ but hey thats just me :) Ioann bro give up on forums its for people that are "happy" 24/7... handle this ingame bro cuz ur not gonna get any help here.

[nilathiel]

zZzZzZZZZzzZzZ Stein, no sense in trying to dissuade these people.

[SteiN]

darklink we sell the ones we dont need for our guild like that statless mace...

if someone needs a hg in the guild that we get and they meet the requirments then they recieve that HG.

Its just funny i hardly talked period till around my mid 80s in this game I have never said ne thing bad about ne1 done ne thing wrong then all of a sudden because I have a guild name above my head im instantly hated on Jerry is right its messed up and to be honest its sad.

[Shadowic2]

Instead of trying to point fingers at who sabatoged who while trying to do a Helga raid, how about we try to come up with some viable solutions/suggestions to make Helga raids much less of a hassle so that these sorts of issues do not arise, yes? Let's try to get something constructive and positive arising out of all this negativity.

And to whoever asked about what would be considered a serious case of KS'ing, that I would not know since I do not deal with the ticketed reports. That's something up to the CSR's.

[jannij777]

darklink we sell the ones we dont need for our guild like that statless mace...

if someone needs a hg in the guild that we get and they meet the requirments then they recieve that HG.

Its just funny i hardly talked period till around my mid 80s in this game I have never said ne thing bad about ne1 done ne thing wrong then all of a sudden because I have a guild name above my head im instantly hated on Jerry is right its messed up and to be honest its sad.


since when is the game ,just about 1 guild,
look around people want them on the market

after BA and collision gets the weaps for the guild members,we will try to bring them out to the marked and not keep in guild storage,all teva want ,and have the right to own 1

But it seems like,that this guild ,dont want other guilds to make raids

ps:is that CL in that thread ,1 of you friends ,because i have also tha ss you teling me that you have a lot GM ,CL friends.that means nobody can touch you?if this is true it becomes then a 1 guild game and no a game for all

[Marck]

btw why is THAT guild still raiding.. I mean seriously.. I bet they have like 10 of every kind of helga wep.. lame much?

if was that we wouldn't be raiding but the fact are totally different we lack weapons for our guildies that come at raids that's why keeping raid!
i wouldn't raid if we had weapon for all... i raid only cause i play for my guild is like a family only motivation i play this game so i like helps guild raiding!

[SteiN]

Ehm answer me this ioann did ne1 interfere yesterday when u and coll raided no we knew u were doing it and we said thats fine but then u expect to go every single day especially on a day we always do it as a guild naw im sorry not going to happen and btw we dont have ne hgs in storage unless they are put there for the next person to pick up

[BlackDragonEX]

Instead of trying to point fingers at who sabatoged who while trying to do a Helga raid, how about we try to come up with some viable solutions/suggestions to make Helga raids much less of a hassle so that these sorts of issues do not arise, yes? Let's try to get something constructive and positive arising out of all this negativity.

And to whoever asked about what would be considered a serious case of KS'ing, that I would not know since I do not deal with the ticketed reports. That's something up to the CSR's.

Maybee a server raid everyday like some other servers do? Whoever wants to can participate.

And can you find out about kill stealing and helga?

[cherhell]

Instead of trying to point fingers at who sabatoged who while trying to do a Helga raid, how about we try to come up with some viable solutions/suggestions to make Helga raids much less of a hassle so that these sorts of issues do not arise, yes? Let's try to get something constructive and positive arising out of all this negativity.

And to whoever asked about what would be considered a serious case of KS'ing, that I would not know since I do not deal with the ticketed reports. That's something up to the CSR's.

quick question to CL if someone hits helga first and then some other people from a next guild starts attacking helga then kills helga is this considered ksing? if not can u please define the term kill stealing for me.

[BlackDragonEX]

Yea please exsplain ksing on Helga (:

[iharakiri]

Um, here's an idea. Make helga like the dungeons? Except make the parties linked, so that 3-4 parties can go into helga at a time, no one else. Keep the spawn at 24 hours, and have a party leader for all parties. It'd be like teaming up party wise, having your 5 party members, and then 2 other parties, same type of way they do it in ffxi online. Combining parties. Make helga so that only 3-4 or heck even 5 parties can get in, parties ranging from 2~5 people in a party.

I know this sounds like a big issue, but it's really not, and that way unless you're a team of the party that is inside HT, you cant get in, problem solved.

As for server raids, set times each month or something that HT is open for all parties, not just 5. ~shrugs~ anything is better then what's going on right now, 'cause alot of people are wasting money because of this.

[jannij777]

quick question to CL if someone hits helga first and then some other people from a next guild starts attacking helga then kills helga is this considered ksing? if not can u please define the term kill stealing for me.

Helga is a mob like all the other mobs,if you attack it first,and somebody hits it its ks no matter if they make more damage and get drops

[jannij777]

Ehm answer me this ioann did ne1 interfere yesterday when u and coll raided no we knew u were doing it and we said thats fine but then u expect to go every single day especially on a day we always do it as a guild naw im sorry not going to happen and btw we dont have ne hgs in storage unless they are put there for the next person to pick up

and what should we do let you guys everyday make helga raides?

[BlackDragonEX]

Helga is a mob like all the other mobs,if you attack it first,and somebody hits it its ks no matter if they make more damage and get drops

I dont see a CL badge on your name? So dont answer questions which wern't meant for you to answer!

Lol Helga Rides

[Marck]

since when is the game ,just about 1 guild,
look around people want them on the market

after BA and collision gets the weaps for the guild members,we will try to bring them out to the marked and not keep in guild storage,all teva want ,and have the right to own 1

But it seems like,that this guild ,dont want other guilds to make raids

ps:is that CL in that thread ,1 of you friends ,because i have also tha ss you teling me that you have a lot GM ,CL friends.that means nobody can touch you?if this is true it becomes then a 1 guild game and no a game for all

we not keeping any hg in guild storage are all in use, when happen to surplus like that hg mace instead to find hg we looking for it go in sale... is like that u saying u want to do get hg for guild and sell rest... well is totally what we doing! but i not get why u guys get so mad for nothing... i know most of u guys by closed beta & friends with u and never had something wrong! but all this hates just about hg is kinda ridicolous, also ridicolous in your precedent posts to say u want people by guild i'm in banned all for a raid that was a server raid and u wanted to be your guild raid! if u want i quit this game aniway i bored of drama u guys bring up all time about helga

[Shadowic2]

since when is the game ,just about 1 guild,
look around people want them on the market

after BA and collision gets the weaps for the guild members,we will try to bring them out to the marked and not keep in guild storage,all teva want ,and have the right to own 1

But it seems like,that this guild ,dont want other guilds to make raids

ps:is that CL in that thread ,1 of you friends ,because i have also tha ss you teling me that you have a lot GM ,CL friends.that means nobody can touch you?if this is true it becomes then a 1 guild game and no a game for all

GMs and CLs do not play favorites with any user or group of users. While we CLs are also players, we do not provide special treatment for those we know, and neither to the GMs. Doing so puts Staff members jobs at risk and can result in us losing our positions as CL's.

Generally if a CL is uncomfortable engaging in a thread where there are people they know and play with in the game, they will request another CL to take care of it.

No one is untouchable if they break any of the rules they agreed to when creating an account here.

quick question to CL if someone hits helga first and then some other people from a next guild starts attacking helga then kills helga is this considered ksing? if not can u please define the term kill stealing for me.

That is a good question.

To me, KS'ing by definition is having someone outside of your party attacking a monster you are targeting in an attempt to get the last hit/exp and loot.

However, in the case of Helga, there is no one party, its generally several. So it's a bit complicated when it comes to defining what exactly is KS'ing in a Helga raid.

So, unfortunately I cannot give a clear answer on that, but I will see if I can get someone to clear that up once the workweek starts back up.


I will also be sending any suggestions about how Outspark and OnsOnSoft can make Helga raids better to the CSRs so that it may be passed along. This does not mean that these things will be implemented, but it will give them some ideas to propose to the developer's to see if they can make any improvements.

And jannij777, I've already asked you this once. Please try not to Multi-post. See my previous posts for tips on how to avoid this.

Thanks.

[cherhell]

Helga is a mob like all the other mobs,if you attack it first,and somebody hits it its ks no matter if they make more damage and get drops

i know bro but i want to see what the CL definition of ksing is lol. by the CL definition of ksing i think will change alot of things...so lets wait for his definition of ksing

[jannij777]

I dont see a CL badge on your name? So dont answer questions which wern't meant for you to answer!

Lol Helga Rides



im answering just a question who also a lvl20 can answer

[Darklink61]

o.o
I dont hate all people in your guild.
And i never said so.
Just some people act so childish and also You selling HG's because you dont need em for the guild.Do you think if anyone would be like "omfffffg i want that 1h badly " anyone would say no? ;/

[neonlovesyou]

and what should we do let you guys everyday make helga rides?

raids..... .______.

[cherhell]

GMs and CLs do not play favorites with any user or group of users. While we CLs are also players, we do not provide special treatment for those we know, and neither to the GMs. Doing so puts Staff members jobs at risk and can result in us losing our positions as CL's.

Generally if a CL is uncomfortable engaging in a thread where there are people they know and play with in the game, they will request another CL to take care of it.

No one is untouchable if they break any of the rules they agreed to when creating an account here.



That is a good question.

To me, KS'ing by definition is having someone outside of your party attacking a monster you are targeting in an attempt to get the last hit/exp and loot.

However, in the case of Helga, there is no one party, its generally several. So it's a bit complicated when it comes to defining what exactly is KS'ing in a Helga raid.

So, unfortunately I cannot give a clear answer on that, but I will see if I can get someone to clear that up once the workweek starts back up.


I will also be sending any suggestions about how Outspark and OnsOnSoft can make Helga raids better to the CSRs so that it may be passed along. This does not mean that these things will be implemented, but it will give them some ideas to propose to the developer's to see if they can make any improvements.

And jannij777, I've already asked you this once. Please try not to Multi-post. See my previous posts for tips on how to avoid this.

Thanks.

from what i can tell your not playing favorites but that being said we all are human and their are some that do....but thats a whole different matter lol. When u do get the offical definition of ksing could u plz post it on forums in regards to helga

[Shadowic2]

i know bro but i want to see what the CL definition of ksing is lol. by the CL definition of ksing i think will change alot of things...so lets wait for his definition of ksing

She D:

As a CL from what i can tell your not playing favorites but that being said we all are human and their are some that do....but thats a whole different matter lol. When u do get the offical definition of ksing could u plz post it on forums in regards to helga


Either I will post it or I can see if a Staff member who can clarify it better than me can.

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Let's keep threats off this thread please. Othwerise I will close this. I'm giving you guys a chance to be civil about this and be productive.

[BlackDragonEX]

HT should be a map which doesn't count with nomal ksing rule's exspecialy Helga himself.

[jannij777]

i agree wwhith CL lets see if we can find a solution for this proplem so all get HElga weaps

[BlackDragonEX]

We do all get HG weps, Alll HvG Dx!

[jannij777]

We do all get HG weps, Alll HvG Dx!

like i sayd before greedy,selfish

[KungFuHobo]

Why must everybody fight over helga D:?

Can't we all hold hands, sing we are the world, and share the helga weapons Q_Q?

[BlackDragonEX]

Server raid everyday?

[xxachilliesxx]

i think there should be a Helga Schedule
or each master of Guilds that are capable of Killing Helga let each other know whos raiding and when

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[BlackDragonEX]

Bro,But Ba/Coll can only kill together.

[cod4pro]

Bro,But Ba/Coll can only kill together.

us at TheRudes can its all just matter of gettin ddps tanks on at same time lol.....

[xxachilliesxx]

Then they can sort out who gets drop or what to do with them etc.

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[SweetLavender]

i think there should be a Helga Schedule
or each master of Guilds that are capable of Killing Helga let each other know whos raiding and when



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we've tried that. there was always a guild ruining each guild's raids. not mentioning who >.>

Bro,But Ba/Coll can only kill together.

Ichi quit acting full of yourself please. You're making HvG look worse than they already do >.> This is something we decided to do together. Just because a guild decides to merge to do a raid, doesn't make them weak. Just means they're up to work together in peace with another guild for a raid ;)

and to Ioann. Let's not start drama before a guild tournament. save it for later

[xxachilliesxx]

if you have like 25+ Helga Weapons why Ruin someone elses Chance of getting one

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[BlackDragonEX]

I was saying if a HG raid sched is made it would have to be one guild per day not two, one.

A Sched would not work otherwize more than one guild makes it more than a guild raid, a server raid..

[SweetLavender]

so they don't have any competition of course ;)

[Xylvion]

btw why is THAT guild still raiding.. I mean seriously.. I bet they have like 10 of every kind of helga wep.. lame much?
not really ;c

its called we try to share with every single guildie we have *note u guys get a 1h and what do u do with it u sell it i bet some1 in ur guild coulda use that if ne1 selfish its u guys because we spread our hgs out throughout the guild thats why we raid to get more so they can be spread throughout the guild
kudos for you o;

i agree wwhith CL lets see if we can find a solution for this proplem so all get HElga weaps
cant everyone get free SC and +9 godly gears with any stats they want also and 30000$ a week just to be able to buy food and stuffs? that'd be nice C:


uhm yeah and people are hating me cause I'm in HVG it's funny that there's so many immature "grown ups" in this game, seriously almost everyone is 16-25 years old and still acts this childslish. We actually planned to raid since yesterday, you cant just go on and hog the tomb, besides from what I saw of the raid Hostess, Niets and Reni tanked him all the time, if they died everyone died so well thinking of them doing the hard work they're worth getting the HG dont you think?
-sigh- well the people that complain about this is the selfish ones, its more like " If we dont get the wep we're gonna whine about it and trashtalk the guild that got it so that people hates it even more then they do just cause they deal more damage then us whine whine whine" serioulsy if I was in either BA or Coll I wouldnt care if another guild got the wep, I wouldnt get it anyways it'd go to some person that charms 24/7 + theres more then 1 day this year, if we raid every day we might get 360ish HG weps? thats like enough for 3 and a half guild lmao.

even though you use a bunch of sc it doesnt give you the right to get the item, for the people who forgot it this is a FTP(FREE TO PLAY) game, you can buy spark cash for your IRL money if you want to, but it doesnt give you more rights in the game.
if you want HG's go level your charas so that they deal more damage C:

uhm and btw Coll/BA raid, that doesnt sound selfish at all does it? :/

[boomdude111]

o: I'm not on for a few days, check forums just to see if anything cool happened, and come back to the same drama.

Hmmm what to say. There was once a time when Teva couldn't even kill Helga, we had to mass around 100 people to bring him down as a server, that number got lower and lower all the way down to 5. OS made Helga stronger, again we couldn't kill it, but the cap was raised, people lvl'd up. Again Helga started dying, but the whole server wasn't needed, it was just 1 guild.

Even though there is alot of drama just from being in that guild, I'm proud to be one of the ones since the beginning to help work together and kill the unkillable. People ask why still raid after all this time? Well, lets see. If we grind, people usually try to take the mobs we start to grind on after we have been grinding for hours. If we even step into a pvp area or go to pvp kq we are instantly killed, by people we don't even know, just for the name of our guild.

Jealousy runs high imo. Yes, everyone should have a fair chance at getting Hellgaits, but I was taught from when I could barely walk, if you get no respect, give none. The Real World isn't always nice to you, you have to actually give people respect if you want some back. We don't kill Helga every day and if your guild(1 guild) wants to raid then go have fun, just be courteous back everywhere else, not just in Helga's Tomb.

I could go on but most people will not even read this far, and if the CL is still paying attention, make Helga a 10min respawn and your problem would be easily solved, there would be a Hellgait for everyone.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

o: I'm not on for a few days, check forums just to see if anything cool happened, and come back to the same drama.

Hmmm what to say. There was once a time when Teva couldn't even kill Helga, we had to mass around 100 people to bring him down as a server, that number got lower and lower all the way down to 5. OS made Helga stronger, again we couldn't kill it, but the cap was raised, people lvl'd up. Again Helga started dying, but the whole server wasn't needed, it was just 1 guild.

Even though there is alot of drama just from being in that guild, I'm proud to be one of the ones since the beginning to help work together and kill the unkillable. People ask why still raid after all this time? Well, lets see. If we grind, people usually try to take the mobs we start to grind on after we have been grinding for hours. If we even step into a pvp area or go to pvp kq we are instantly killed, by people we don't even know, just for the name of our guild.

Jealousy runs high imo. Yes, everyone should have a fair chance at getting Hellgaits, but I was taught from when I could barely walk, if you give no respect, give none. The Real World isn't always nice to you, you have to actually give people respect if you want some back. We don't kill Helga every day and if your guild(1 guild) wants to raid then go have fun, just be courteous back everywhere else, not just in Helga's Tomb.

I could go on but most people will not even read this far, and if the CL is still paying attention, make Helga a 10min respawn and your problem would be easily solved, there would be a Hellgait for everyone.

@ The bold and underlined part

Shouldn't it be "If you get no respect, give none."?

[thechaz]

well they were thier first it doesnt really matter considering raid maps are all open to everyone so u could of attacked aswell there was nothing really stopping u as far as i can see

[cherhell]

like i said that guild does this to people that think a certain way lol. If most have my mind set that guild wouldnt be pulling this crapp...teva is made up of 99% fake people...u see them on theses forums acting all nice and understanding then ingame its a whole different story....as for me i keep it hood all the time lmao....ioann u should ask CL to close this thread bro, the fakeness is killing me lol

[BlackDragonEX]

like i said that guild does this to people that think a certain way lol. If most have my mind set that guild wouldnt be pulling this crapp...teva is made up of 99% fake people...u see them on theses forums acting all nice and understanding then ingame its a whole different story....as for me i keep it hood all the time lmao....ioann u should ask CL to close this thread bro, the fakeness is killing me lol

Oh the irony

[jannij777]

like i said that guild does this to people that think a certain way lol. If most have my mind set that guild wouldnt be pulling this crapp...teva is made up of 99% fake people...u see them on theses forums acting all nice and understanding then ingame its a whole different story....as for me i keep it hood all the time lmao....ioann u should ask CL to close this thread bro, the fakeness is killing me lol



its ok crow,i let it continue,ao all people in teva can see this fake people,
i maked this thread for a lot reasons ,behind this thread is a lot more as just a raid

they are wrong and they now it,it make me sad,that some of them are very nice,but just a group of them acrting so selfish

im also 100% sure that the master of this guild whould never alow this to happen,

[imeel]

i think its considered KS, it should be who do the first helga pull who decide if need help of any other guilds, if not, be nice and try the next time, according that they wil ldo the next raid..be civilizate or something x.x

And at some post, someone said they keep the HG weps for the guildies..but i have seen many of them sold in marketplace, like a bow, wand, mace?..they have the record of making money with the HG's :c

[boomdude111]

it's truly none of your concern, but the archers in the guild want xbows not bows so we sold a bow, mace is statless and as a support cleric therefore useless, so it's up for sale, and we didn't need the wand so it was sold, sorry if it seems rude but that's what happened. anymore silly questions on what we do with the drops we get and don't need? ;/

[imeel]

ehmm boom x.x i just said someone was wrong because he started telling someone "you re selling a hg 1h when we use our drops for our guildies" of course the guild can do whatever he wants with them personally idc, imnt in the raids, imnt complaining, my last post was a "think before you post"..if u know what i mean and yeah ure being rude :c

[Xylvion]

I've been in a lot of Guilds, all I can say is that HVG is one of the best of them. like everyone cooperates and are nice to eachother. the other topguilds are just selfish immature people that only cares about themselves. I've been in close to 30 guilds and I know how people are in them, Cookies is still the best one imo, thats why all my alts are there x.x and yeah I play them so dont go blah blah blah go back to cookies then.
I've been in SoSick, Milky, BA, LL, SavageGarden, Coll and Vendetta, seriously HVG is much better then all of them together, or well the people in HVG, so seriously if you don't know anything, that I bet that almost no one of you trashtalkers does, about our guild just stfu and stop acting like immature kids please!

[Rzpect]

Wai u just join HVG for less than 5 days? O_o
I remember while u were in LL u talk trash about HvG alot about how they have all the HGs
and u saying LL people are selfish? O_o
Rina gave u the Summer Boop set for free...
and don't forget you beg for SC alot and whine about noone wanna party you...
and LL wasn't even a grinding guild then o-o
now we started to do raids but the same situation happened to us like BA and Coll.

[imeel]

I've been in SoSick, Milky, BA, LL, SavageGarden, Coll and Vendetta, seriously HVG is much better then all of them together

I think u shouldnt say that, it just come with flames ahead...most ppl is happy where they are for their own personal reason, there is not a best guild...dont be a fanatic :c

[Stargazer01]

Can u guys can be nice give a chance for another ppls kill helga? whatever have a rules u can kill helga too when they killing... but your action will make another ppls sad or mad,is fun for you? :(
Helga wont lost from isya u have chance evry 1-2day to kill him,why not just generous give a chance,everything will be nice.

[Bby_Tracyy]

What i do not understand is

Why there is such animosity, or hate, between guilds.
This is the reason why OS closed down Helga's Tomb because of the complaints.
You guys always blame fingers and never think from a 3rd perspective.
I'm not saying ALL of you guys don't think from a 3rd perspective.
But why should you hate people just because of what guild they're in?
You never gave them a chance to prove to you that they're nice.
I partied with Ioann dispite the stuff that was said about him, and yet i found him to be
a normal person that was misunderstood. If we're going to fight about hellgaits and about who has more then we must be too immature for this game.
Before hellgaits dropped, what happened to those nice people, and people everyone respected? where did they all go? did they change after Helga's Tomb was opened?

Yes, I agree, Holy_VanGuards does have A LOT of hellgaits. No, we do not keep it in our storage. We have Numerous hellgaits and everyone knows that. reason why we still raid? we're not greedy we're not greedy whatsoever. We raid because we have guildmates that do not have hellgaits yet, and our goal is to let everyone have hellgaits.

YET the first hellgait that actually drops for you guys for the first time in a very long time you guys sell it? have you ever considered asking your guild mates who wants it? have you ever done that? You blame us for being selfish, and you say that no one in your guild wants to use it, That is what i DO NOT UNDERSTAND Hellgaits are one of the best weapons in the game and NO ONE
whatsoever wants it? i believe that's a lie. you lost most of our respect.

we were actually happy that you guys were able to kill helga yes. we were happy that someone besides us could kill it. We are not a greedy guild. I believe our guild is truly mistaken. Please remember, that we are all human beings and that we're not perfect . But please also do remember that we are all players in this game and we should show respect towards each other and not point fingers . Cause that's not going to solve any animosity. We're guilds. We are guildmates because we enjoy having fun with each other and partying with each other. We work together, not fight. please understand that.

I'm sorry for this being so long, but i'm confused on why there is so much animosity in a game, and it makes it not interesting anymore. People being rude,disrespectful towards each other, and saying death threats? That just ruins a game for everyone.

Like for example, I never hated anyone nor said anything to anyone, but yet people hate me for a guild i'm in. If you are going to hate someone without giving them a chance, then how will you ever meet new friends and people without giving them a chance? Please reconsider this


What makes me mad is that today my guildmates were in helga's tomb waiting for helga to spawn, we were planning on raiding today, and then two different guilds comes in and says "Leave get out this is our raid" I'm sorry to say, but there is no map claiming nor claiming of anything. You do not OWN ANYTHING . And for KSing I'm sorry, but I believe everyone is KSING helga from what it looks like. It's not a 5-person party that is killing helga, no, it's 10-30+ people killing from multiple guilds, so i'm sorry to say but KSing is out of the question .

In the end think about what you guys have done and yet you still point fingers at us.

Are you jealous?
are you mad?
That we are from HVG? or the Hellgaits that we have?
YOU had a hellgait but are SELLING it.
Think about your actions before you point fingers. Have fun in game and continue grinding.
Stop being immature and lets talk it over and not point fingers.

Everyone is wrong in a point of view, everyone is right.
btw, that shield was not stolen today.
YOU cannot steal a shield, unless it was there on the ground for 5 minutes and we picked it up.
and btw stop fighting over pixels. It's a game that everyone wants to enjoy without drama.
also from our point of view
It's not a guild raid if there's 2+ guilds there [: so i don't know what you're talking about
but it's a server raid.
and, when my guildmate told you it's not your raid, and it's a server raid, you said nothing about it you were quiet.
You even said during the raid " OH HVG is so mad right now ".
You guys try to make us mad, but to be honest, you're making us laugh.
You make us laugh at how you guys try to anger us, but to be honest,
we're a guild that loves everyone in our guild. I'm not biased, but
from HVG's point of view, I find it so unfair to have a finger pointed on, to be teamed up during PVP kq's or anything that we do because of a name over our head. WHAT has HVG done to you that makes you HATE us so bad? .
I'm defending my guild from all the harrassment that we had from just having hellgaits and that we're able to work together perfectly to kill helga to share it. How can you accuse someone of taking it all for themselves without seeing it with your own eyes. When you see us grinding, do you see that most of us have hellgaits? do you think that we're hogging it when all of us have hellgaits? we have other guildmates that don't have any yet, and we're still trying to get some for them. We're helping our guild out. Please come to understand that we do share our hellgaits and stop assuming and be quiet if you don't know the situation in our guild when you're not even in our guild whatsoever.

Please don't misunderstand me or flame me about this, but this is what i see from my point of view. a CL is even telling us to try to settle our problems. If someone, who doesn't even know what's going on is telling us to settle our problems and be civil don't you think it's time to consider it?

To start off with, Hi i'm Tracy and i'm from HVG. Don't hate me because i'm from a guild. Give me a chance to prove to you that we're nice and lovable people before judging me. Don't judge a book by its cover.

As you have said, some people are in the guilds they are in because they like the people that are in them. We're not the best guild, we're not the worst guild, we're a guild that work together and love to party and help each other grind and level and plus, we like to roar each other and have the other get spammed with whispers and laugh about it. [: that's how we are. People have a reason to why they are in there, ask them why before you judge them. Thank you very much for reading this, sorry this is long but, I had a lot of things to say Hahahah :D

[Stargazer01]

I think remove Helga from games is the best way :(

[Bby_Tracyy]

I believe if everyone can settle this their own way, then it would be easier without outspark having to get involved, because i'm sure we can find a way to settle this with each other once the animosity is gone.

[Xylvion]

Wai u just join HVG for less than 5 days? O_o
I remember while u were in LL u talk trash about HvG alot about how they have all the HGs
and u saying LL people are selfish? O_o
Rina gave u the Summer Boop set for free...
and don't forget you beg for SC alot and whine about noone wanna party you...
and LL wasn't even a grinding guild then o-o
now we started to do raids but the same situation happened to us like BA and Coll.

uhm
1. I said its lame that they get all the HG's yeah I never trashtalked them.
2. yeah I know she did and im greatful to her.
3. I've never begged for sc and I never will, I dont need sc to level at all. yeah when I soloed almost all levels it got lame and I wanted some help but oh well you couldnt party me at all, tehn a few mins later you partyed someone else anyways.
4. uhm no thats why evetyone was trying to lvl right?
5. I know that, but it's a game it's not irl get over it and kill helga another day? there's more then 1 day a year you know C:

and yeah I joined them like a week ago, but since I allready knew a lot of them and cause they're nice it's easy to become friends with them C:


I think u shouldnt say that, it just come with flames ahead...most ppl is happy where they are for their own personal reason, there is not a best guild...dont be a fanatic :c

Cookies is the best guild imo. and I guess all guilds are good, just that when someone starts to invite random people like 5 every day that no one heard about earlier it's getting lame, it's not the same guild anymore. some people joins a guild cause it is/was the strongest, some for the amount of guildbuff time and if it's the 10% one. I actually liked all the guilds from the start, until some people got invited, for teh people that still didnt figure it out, the guilds are like onlinefamilies, nowdays it's just like "who cares about who joins lets invite some random people cause they can make us stronger". yuck, 79 cap back plawks :c

[defiant_saim]

I believe if everyone can settle this their own way, then it would be easier without outspark having to get involved, because i'm sure we can find a way to settle this with each other once the animosity is gone.

Doesn't seem that hard, let me give it a shot:

Make a thread on this forum where only the Guild Masters can post at what time they want to try and kill Helga. Only one post allowed per day. Once posted, you have no right to change it anymore, unless you want to cancel it, making the slot free for the first taker. Indicate in that post whether there are any alliances with other guilds for that raid and who the Helga drop will go to.

Example:

Guild: _BlackAngels_ and Collision
Raid time: 06:42 AM Fiesta Time on 06/10/2009
Drop: Drop will go to Collision's highest level player of the same class as the drop.


It's the responsibility of the GM that Helga will be there at the given time. If Helga is not there because another guild raided him, the guild is allowed to raid 2 times in a row. If Helga is not there for any other reason, that's bad luck.

As it's in our common interest that this goes smooth. If anybody succeeds in messing up the (valid) raid of a guild, the other guilds involved should help that guild in succeeding, either by:

- outside healing
- Kalap mob control
- warring rogue guilds

:cool:

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Doesn't seem that hard, let me give it a shot:

Make a thread on this forum where only the Guild Masters can post at what time they want to try and kill Helga. Only one post allowed per day. Once posted, you have no right to change it anymore, unless you want to cancel it, making the slot free for the first taker. Indicate in that post whether there are any alliances with other guilds for that raid and who the Helga drop will go to.

Example:
Guild: _BlackAngels_ and Collision
Raid time: 06:42 AM Fiesta Time on 06/10/2009
Drop: Drop will go to Collision's highest level player of the same class as the drop.

It's the responsibility of the GM that Helga will be there at the given time. If Helga is not there because another guild raided him, the guild is allowed to raid 2 times in a row. If Helga is not there for any other reason, that's bad luck.

As it's in our common interest that this goes smooth. If anybody succeeds in messing up the (valid) raid of a guild, the other guilds involved should help that guild in succeeding, either by:

- outside healing
- Kalap mob control
- warring rogue guilds

:cool:

By GM at the bolded section, would you happen to mean the Game Masters of Fiesta? If so, it isn't their responsibility at all, though your idea does some to work partially, but you may need to add a few rules like, no helga raiding back to back, with a cool down of lets say, 2 days i guess? Other rules may need to be implemented with that if it would work, and all of the Guild Masters/Members of these guilds are willing to give it a shot.

[xogeley]

Helga Raids were semi peaceful/organized once ~link (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195298)

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Aha they were, but more and more guilds were able to kill it and others that felt they could got angry since they didn't have a slot and then more and more problems arose and it crumbled.

[SweetLavender]

Helga Raids were semi peaceful/organized once ~link (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195298)

it was a nice attempt. though in the end, there was a guild always coming in and training.

I also miss Leon's raids, were always fun ;3 he planned one a while ago but he got shot down and cancelled it >.<

I also made a site for Teva Helga raids a while ago but it's collecting dust atm. if we want to organize it more and keep it off these forums I can give you guys a link

[defiant_saim]

By GM at the bolded section, would you happen to mean the Game Masters of Fiesta? If so, it

isn't their responsibility at all, though your idea does some to work partially, but you may need to add a few rules like, no

helga raiding back to back, with a cool down of lets say, 2 days i guess? Other rules may need to be implemented with that if

it would work, and all of the Guild Masters/Members of these guilds are willing to give it a shot.

With GM I mean the Guild Master, but it would work with a guild representative as well. The idea is that for every raid there is always just one person ultimately responsible for what the guild decides, keeping things clear for everybody. Just thought the Guild Master would be best suited for this.

I agree we can't ask Game Masters for this. It might be handy if a community leader could keep an eye on the thread though. I wonder if it would be possible to ask them to keep the thread completely free from any other post than a Helga raid "appointment".

[Darklink61]

I think remove Helga from games is the best way :(

Sexy Siggy *O*
Wow~ Already 2k+Views on this thread xD

[Spankle]

Cookies is the best guild imo

-Wonders why you're in HVG-

WHAT has HVG done to you that makes you HATE us so bad? .


If you think from a 3rd perspective you can know the answer. It’s not a coincidence so many people resent HVG...Ill try keep this as concise as possible…the following isn’t my personal opinion on HVG it’s what I believe caused the reactions of others. I assure you I don't hate any HVG people lol! So ye here's my take on the answer...

HVG have the power to kill helga and take drops server raid/guild raid, it doesn’t matter with the ‘most dmg gets drops’ set-up, mainly because only one pty is required and archers are the best for the job as boss killing machines, HVG having 4 high lvl archers. Whether or not you accepted it you have had the responsibility of a strong power: how and who in Teva will receive helgait weapons. You have chosen to maximize this power in a guild only interest. You’ve taken the stance every member of your guild who requires has a helgait weapon before anyone else outside the guild. This alone does not sit well with a lot of people, it has a monopolizing or controlling effect over the helgait market, denying players any chance at a helgait that they may have gained through server raids, your guild is a cause of this whether or not other guilds would do the same. By doing this you also prevent other guilds having a chance of competing with you to get drops in terms of dmg. Some people will accept this as ‘the way it is’, but the second thing that will defame the guild is the guild’s attitude on the situation. The helgait monopoly has the propensity to give some guild members a sense of being ‘elite’ [part of the immaturity aspect you speak of] and it may come through on forums/ in game as disrespectful. Not all members of your guild are like you tracy ;/ The notion “power corrupts” has been around for a reason. These people may be responsible for the “bad book cover” you describe and why you have to “prove” your niceness.

It comes back to the fact everyone has their own opinions, you can’t say you aren’t a greedy guild, greed is subjective especially here and in some peoples opinion your actions exhibit that, that’s their right to an opinion. You may think sharing within guild is enough to define being generous and not greedy. Others will argue a guild is a private enterprise and is exclusive from people who deserve a chance from their effort into the game. Either way such opinions could be heavily influenced by the idea you’re getting a helgait and will have a guild full of them…

The last raid where your guild chose to stop helgaits going to other guilds in your own interest was a more direct example of the monopolizing behavior, motives irrelevant, if it was ‘server raid’ you chose to be there to receive them despite having 20x more hgs than the rest of the server.

A couple of other things, you ask people “to stop assuming and be quiet if you don't know the situation in our guild when you're not even in our guild whatsoever”, at the same time abusing Collision and BA for selling the HG, in which you assume people are lying. If it was a different weapon the story would be different, but it’s a 1h, are we allowed not to want one? Remember also duo guild raids are not as simple in drop distribution as singular.

You also speak for your guild a lot with the tone you know everything about what everyone opinions and what everyone has said to each other. Really when you’re asking in big bold letters why people don’t like your guild it could mean you are missing some info…I can’t speak for my guild either, barely give my opinion because this is such a mess. I don’t know about you but I’m not about try decide who are liars or have accurate information based on the fact I know them and they’re in my guild…maybe everything you say you witnessed first hand I don’t know.

Finally you say you want to be considered an individual, but talk to us as one big blob of coll/ba, "you lost our respect", "YOU had a hellgait but are SELLING it". Who is 'you'?...do you know who made these decisions, who you are disrespecting? Just a thought...

I also hope this can be resolved civilly...it will take efforts from both sides though however. This can't happen if HVG or Coll/BA think they are totally in the right of everything they've done, both sides need to accept other peoples views and somewhat loosen their egos to a down to earth, a human talking to fellow human level x-x...would you HVG get frustrated if one guild hoarded all HG drops, other guilds if you were HVG would you be more sharing with the server or do the same as them? Think hard :]

[Xylvion]

it was a nice attempt. though in the end, there was a guild always coming in and training.

I also miss Leon's raids, were always fun ;3 he planned one a while ago but he got shot down and cancelled it >.<

I also made a site for Teva Helga raids a while ago but it's collecting dust atm. if we want to organize it more and keep it off these forums I can give you guys a link

I'd call em eldryst raids cause he did all the work :/

and @ ec, read what I typed down earlier please C:
and hating us for being able to kill helga aint a reason at all, it's just childslish and immature. :/

[Darklink61]

ehmm boom x.x i just said someone was wrong because he started telling someone "you re selling a hg 1h when we use our drops for our guildies" of course the guild can do whatever he wants with them personally idc, imnt in the raids, imnt complaining, my last post was a "think before you post"..if u know what i mean and yeah ure being rude :c
yepp we are just saying it since some fighter of your guild blamed us for being selfish because we sell the 1h.And also....how many drops did Ioann passed to his Guildis of BA huh?Can't see where he's selfish by selling a 1h if he passed like 10+HG's to all his Guildis.

I've been in SoSick, Milky, BA, LL, SavageGarden, Coll and Vendetta, seriously HVG is much better then all of them!
Rofl~~~Wait until a certain Guardian with a nub Ranger hammers you in pvp kq , you take revenge and he goes and cry about it to his Wife , THEN leaves HvG with all his Chars and get you banned from HvG for no reason ;)

What i do not understand is

blablablabla......(just to make this short lol dont take it as offense xD)

To start off with, Hi i'm Tracy and i'm from HVG. Don't hate me because i'm from a guild. Give me a chance to prove to you that we're nice and lovable people before judging me. Don't judge a book by its cover.



Why should anybody be jealous?and Why do WHOLE HvG think they are hated because of the Guild?Seriously that's dumb lol.

[AmazonPhoenix]

Why should anybody be jealous?and Why do WHOLE HvG think they are hated because of the Guild?Seriously that's dumb lol.

Ask anyone. My members suffer verbal abuse everyday because of the name above their heads. We get our grinding spots taken from us by people just invading. Thats if we get a grinding spot at all since most are on rotation to keep them away from us. We get random comments thrown in our direction for no reason. We get spawn killed in PvP KQ. New members got PK'ed in Abyss because of their name. Another new member was refused a party because of being in HvG.

I'm sick of it, they're sick of it. This is why we think what we do. Do you blame us for being defensive?

It all only serves to bring us closer together. I stayed out of this thread before but, I had to reply to this.

[SteiN]

Why should anybody be jealous?and Why do WHOLE HvG think they are hated because of the Guild?Seriously that's dumb lol.


See my problem is I have never done anyone wrong ever or intiated anything yet people always try to start with me or my friends and it is REALLY PATHETIC WHEN I RECIEVE DEATH THREATS FOR A ONLINE GAME COME ON PEOPLE LETS BE REAL! We have had to be so defensive for ourselves lately because all it we recieve is hate form the majority of the server to be honest I never disliked or had any reason to dislike people in the game untill I joined HVG because then I saw what people were really like giving death threats trying to steal from us (I think everyone knows who this is). I dont know this is all just sad and as I read through the posts all I see is flame flame hate hate and more hate but I just accept it now because in game and in real life its all filled with hate and lies. To be honest it wouldn't matter if we even gave HGs out for free we would still be hated so whatever.


One last thing I do want to say is we raid because lets face it theres nothing else for us to do its fun for us as a guild and we can't girnd because of all the spot claiming going on and rotation of spots which is absolutley ridiculous I mean come on you guys sit in spot in huts then if you see one of us ride by you all of a sudden start pulling lmao its not hard to see what your doing at least when I get the spot if I ever do I share it with everyone and people can attest to this.....





One more last thing this is mroe a lighter note I sorta wish hate was food because then I'd be getting a healthy dose of it everyday hahahaha sorry I had to amuse myself this morning works a little stressful today.

[Xylvion]

Rofl~~~Wait until a certain Guardian with a nub Ranger hammers you in pvp kq , you take revenge and he goes and cry about it to his Wife , THEN leaves HvG with all his Chars and get you banned from HvG for no reason ;)

I dont care if a guildy hammers me in PvP KQ o.o, if they keep on spawnkilling its different though o.o

[Spankle]

One last thing I do want to say is we raid because lets face it theres nothing else for us to do its fun for us as a guild

You need to understand the impact of dominating the hg distribution then, it might be fun for you but not fun for people who want hgs or charm for your drops...all I can recommend is being more receptive of your guilds outside view, whether you think what you're doing is right or wrong and if the hgs are/were worth this angst. Gl to you all..

[SteiN]

I know what your saying ecletic but you really can't jsut quote me on that you have to quote me on the whole thing because it goes right along side that?


From what I gather people would want us not to be able to grind period not to be able to raid period ahhh lets see not to be able to pvp okay welll hmmmmm whats that leave us to do farm? lmao next thing you know we won't be able to do that. What you all are missing is We let BA/Coll raid Saturday then when we come sunday which we have been raiding every Sunday for the past month or so we are suppose to sit there and be builied out no thank you...and Ecletic I don't want you to get wrong idea none of this is directed at you I know you have done nothing in this matter and I don't want you to think I am getting mad at you because I am not.

[AhLook]

LOL i think this guild that is being talked about does this to people that they know think a certain way lol..... with my mind set we all would be sitting in helga tomb waiting and watching and wasting charms ^^ but hey thats just me :) Ioann bro give up on forums its for people that are "happy" 24/7... handle this ingame bro cuz ur not gonna get any help here.
its no point doing that ingame, i did things ingame and my guild got an announcement warning to stop warring -.-
Instead of trying to point fingers at who sabatoged who while trying to do a Helga raid, how about we try to come up with some viable solutions/suggestions to make Helga raids much less of a hassle so that these sorts of issues do not arise, yes? Let's try to get something constructive and positive arising out of all this negativity.

And to whoever asked about what would be considered a serious case of KS'ing, that I would not know since I do not deal with the ticketed reports. That's something up to the CSR's.
the earth is round.. there is good and bad.. and there is always someone to mess up whatever plans and suggestions..
since when is the game ,just about 1 guild,
look around people want them on the market

after BA and collision gets the weaps for the guild members,we will try to bring them out to the marked and not keep in guild storage,all teva want ,and have the right to own 1

But it seems like,that this guild ,dont want other guilds to make raids

ps:is that CL in that thread ,1 of you friends ,because i have also tha ss you teling me that you have a lot GM ,CL friends.that means nobody can touch you?if this is true it becomes then a 1 guild game and no a game for all
if you can show proof that whichever CL/GM is bias, submit a report or call outspark directly, they can get removed from their positions.
Um, here's an idea. Make helga like the dungeons? Except make the parties linked, so that 3-4 parties can go into helga at a time, no one else. Keep the spawn at 24 hours, and have a party leader for all parties. It'd be like teaming up party wise, having your 5 party members, and then 2 other parties, same type of way they do it in ffxi online. Combining parties. Make helga so that only 3-4 or heck even 5 parties can get in, parties ranging from 2~5 people in a party.

I know this sounds like a big issue, but it's really not, and that way unless you're a team of the party that is inside HT, you cant get in, problem solved.

As for server raids, set times each month or something that HT is open for all parties, not just 5. ~shrugs~ anything is better then what's going on right now, 'cause alot of people are wasting money because of this.
yeh, making helga tomb become an instance is a good game idea, but it means outspark losing money over it, and it will never happen.
i know bro but i want to see what the CL definition of ksing is lol. by the CL definition of ksing i think will change alot of things...so lets wait for his definition of ksing
there's no point getting a CL's defintion on ks-ing. it be better to get a GM's/ CSR's definition.

well i read up to page 8 only.. anyway.. Helga Tomb will probably stay like that for a long time until the hydra swamp is released or next uncap or whatever.

Outspark already did many changes to the unfairness of HT. Such as removing the GM-statted items some players have. there was a time in CB where some people helped find soem major bugs+write/code some stuff for teva, and unofficially received items with +255 stats. Such items have already been removed from the game. So now Helga Tomb is as balanced as it gets, without outspark losing money as per mean.

IF every player is able to get Helgaits, then fiesta will be forced to release new maps/new items, and HT would not be considered endgame dungeon. outspark already f- themselves when they nerfed helgaits, no businesses will drive themselves to a dead end.

they're probably developing new maps in onsx2soft to cater to the demand of outspark.

-peace out-
its all about the community which makes things like it is.

[Zwivix]

I think this is what we needed to have. A thread where people like Ecletric tell us why people hate on hvg so much. It does seem even to me greedy to think of the situation in terms of guild a/b raiding and guild c coming in and taking the kill, but like Niets said we have been raiding only one day a week for a while now...we organize ourselves for that day specifically...I mean we try to grind the whole week and when we want a day off or see a chance to have some excitment we get bashed for it? Thats just wrong.

I know you'll say that us going in to take the kill was wrong too, I agree that was wrong too, but cmon all the spots for grinding where taken yesterday, so of course we were gonna raid anyway, and ba/coll being there was just bad luck for them.

I think mostly the only days we raid are Tuesdays and Sundays...every other day of the week is free unless we try a fail raid like the other day with only a few people. So how about we be courteous next time and say "Hey were going to raid right now can you please not disturb us"....If someone told me that I would have no problem respecting their privacy or if we wanted to raid that same day we would have to work something out.

I mean its all about communication, and I think thats something Teva really needs to work on. We never talk about the issues we have with others we just keep quiet and make specualtions. Just talk it out people...You'll see that everyone is understanding and will be willing to work something out if you just speak whats on your mind.

So how about we forget about this dumb raid and next time talk to each other before raiding or dont get mad if someone runs in on you if you dont say anything.

kkthxbye

[karvaj]

LOL idiots, thats all I can say >D so lame to get in a fight cause of a frigging wep, especially cause every of those guilds which are actually raiding has like 10 of them haha so lame :3 -watches how drama rolls- obby thats why I quit in 10 days and not today.

[cherhell]

Ask anyone. My members suffer verbal abuse everyday because of the name above their heads. We get our grinding spots taken from us by people just invading. Thats if we get a grinding spot at all since most are on rotation to keep them away from us. We get random comments thrown in our direction for no reason. We get spawn killed in PvP KQ. New members got PK'ed in Abyss because of their name. Another new member was refused a party because of being in HvG.

I'm sick of it, they're sick of it. This is why we think what we do. Do you blame us for being defensive?

It all only serves to bring us closer together. I stayed out of this thread before but, I had to reply to this.

lol next cap gonna be fun....like i was told no one owns a spot so im gonna grind where ever i want i dont care who was there first or not rule says u cant own a spot and as for fbz if u dont wanna get kill DONT go in there. its really simple guys its not rocket science if hvg comes into helga tomb just let them do what ever and just watch...instead of joining in helping them kill helga...u guys ever wonder y they dont kill helga every day....its becuz they dont have the money to do it lol so they use the rest of u guys to help them kill helga...if i could clone my character like 10 times i would show u guys how to deal with hvg in regards to helga raids. lmfao y u think ALL of them hate me ^^

[Xylvion]

uhm well teh last hit doesnt matter, me and Shootermanz allready did a research on that, the one who deals the most damage gets the drop o.o, try with a friend on some usal mobs that you dont 2hit xD

oh and btw CROW, remember the 79/89 cap when everyone hated you, and I guess people would if they knew you were HELLBOY696 also o;

[BlackDragonEX]

lol next cap gonna be fun....like i was told no one owns a spot so im gonna grind where ever i want i dont care who was there first or not rule says u cant own a spot and as for fbz if u dont wanna get kill DONT go in there. its really simple guys its not rocket science if hvg comes into helga tomb just let them do what ever and just watch...instead of joining in helping them kill helga...u guys ever wonder y they dont kill helga every day....its becuz they dont have the money to do it lol so they use the rest of u guys to help them kill helga...if i could clone my character like 10 times i would show u guys how to deal with hvg in regards to helga raids. lmfao y u think ALL of them hate me ^^

Thats called respect, go learn it one day.

[cherhell]

personally i dont think hvg is doing anything wrong....all i see is them out smarting u guys...i could imagine after they make u guys help the kill helga they prolly go on vent and laugh it up. I dont want GMs to change anything about helga raids...i want everything to remain as it is now. The smarter u think the more ways u can find to discourage other guilds from raiding...im not that smart but if money comes into play for helga raids as in charms being wasted and so on all heavy sc users will have the advantage just think about it...this way we can see who all is working for minimun wages ^^

[cherhell]

Thats called respect, go learn it one day.

bro the rule clearly states u cant OWN any spot in fiesta so if i see u grinding at a spot and i feel like grinding there to i will srry bro ^^

[cherhell]

uhm well teh last hit doesnt matter, me and Shootermanz allready did a research on that, the one who deals the most damage gets the drop o.o, try with a friend on some usal mobs that you dont 2hit xD

oh and btw CROW, remember the 79/89 cap when everyone hated you, and I guess people would if they knew you were HELLBOY696 also o;

lmfao i dont think u know me to well lol....u actually think i care if minimun wage people hate me....if u know me u will know i welcome it. bro i love it when people hate or jealous me...thats y i keep showing off ^^

[The_Mafioso]

I dont care if a guildy hammers me in PvP KQ o.o, if they keep on spawnkilling its different though o.o

*definitely hammered wai multiple times for fun xD (and a couple times cause i forgot we were in the same guild >.<)


ah offtopicness aside, why do we let a couple pixels and numbers generated from a server in california get in the way of our "society" in this game. i'm placing society in quotations because i hope we still treat each other as members of a respectable society, and possibly family. But reading this thread places that thought in doubt.

the real enemy here shouldn't be each other. we are getting fired up, once again, over a few pixels with the text "Helga" placed over it. we should not let some random data generated "weapon" get the better of us. while i would like to have a helgait weapon, i can live without it, and i can enjoy this game without it. if helga was a real person or an ai, he would be laughing his behind off at us right now, because he's doing a great job manipulating us against each other.

there are countless fables and stories about how cursed items, offered by the devil or similar characters, leads to the break down of even blood brothers. the greed over said items tears them apart, forces them to kill each other (at times it is said the item has taken over their mind and drove them mad, sounds familiar?)

nothing is taking over our minds right now, only our own attitude. helga weapons aren't cursed weapons, but our mindset and greediness is making it into one. while this post may be in vain, i genuinely hope we can all take a step back, realize just what we are playing this game for, what we TRUELY enjoy in this game. do not let helga get the better of us, do not let him manipulate us like puppets. stand up as proud individuals above the influence.




dbk, grammer check please =)

[Roseanna]

It does seem even to me greedy to think of the situation in terms of guild a/b raiding and guild c coming in and taking the kill
I know you'll say that us going in to take the kill was wrong too, I agree that was wrong too
Huge props for Zwiv. It takes courage and maturity to admit that something done was wrong.

So how about we forget about this dumb raid and next time talk to each other
That's just it, nobody's mind readers. If Saturday comes and HVG knows they'll want to raid Sunday, a politely-worded "Hi Ioann, HVG will be raiding tomorrow" is all that's really needed. In my opinion, at least. I'd like to hope Ioann would just be like "okay, we'll raid the next day" and that's the end of that.

However, there's one last thing. The fact is that guild a/b were raiding, and guild c came in and took the drop. Guild a/b cannot and will not forget this for as long as the drop is not in their hands. You know I love HVG. You know I love all of its members. You know I had loyalty to your guild, and I'm sure you can imagine how much it killed for me to have to take my cleric out of your guild. I don't hate or dislike anybody. I'd have no problems partying or helping or buffing any HVG members, or just whispering it up for a good time.

However. HVG owns a shield that rightfully belongs to my guild. And for that, I will always be bitter towards the HVG name. Always. We've been wronged, and that shield has - as far as I'm concerned - been stolen from us. It's pretty safe for me to assume, I think, that HVG would never consider turning it over to its rightful owners. I can accept that our shield is gone. I cannot accept the fact that HVG... who I have so much love and trust and respect, and used to have so much loyalty, for... are the ones who have stolen it. I feel betrayed. I feel backstabbed. I feel, yeah pathetic but, hurt. I feel it all. Over just a stupid pixel game. Remember when Aery's beloved wand was stolen? Well imagine if it was me that stole it. Then you'll have some idea of how this feels.

But while I can have bitterness towards the HVG name itself, I'm mature enough to not apply that to every person who has the label above their heads. I know that, at the core, you're all good people. You're a fun, trusting, positive bunch of individuals. I have respect for many of you, and I miss being in HVG myself. I love you all. I just wish that you hadn't done this to me, and my guild. It hurts.

[karvaj]

lmfao i dont think u know me to well lol....u actually think i care if minimun wage people hate me....if u know me u will know i welcome it. bro i love it when people hate or jealous me...thats y i keep showing off ^^

^-your showing off your 1000$ a week spending on sc AFTER you capped, nice? if your really that wasteless in life to spend it on something else, I feel sorry for you

[Sesshomaru]

Thats called respect, go learn it one day.

Someone from "that" guild talking about respect? IchigoHollow of all people in particular? That's hilarious. I still remember a certain person like that ks'ing jt's as well, (Even though pretty much everyone ks's there, its obvious this certain person is the same).

Last time i was doing RN's, a certain pair of 95-100+'s came in, ks'd the hell out of the spot to help a guildy, and left when they were done, even though i was already there with my pt doing my repeats. Just thought that these people seem to do what they want, whenever they want, just because they can, on multiple occasions.

[SteiN]

Crow its not that we don't have the money to raid everyday it's the fact that sometimes not all the right people are on or they actually get a grinding spot and choose to grind over raiding because we get grinding spots so very little.

FYI a CL should close this thread because its clearly blacklisting everyone knows who this is talking about and the names been brought up a few times so go ahead and continue the blacklisting till I can get this closed.

[karvaj]

hvghvghvgbababaLLLLLLL im blacklisting woohoo close et.

[SteiN]

Crow know who your talking about before you speak you don't know what my job is and what other assets I bring in from stocks and so forth I am not going to say on here what I make or what my title is but how about this I'll PM it to you.

[cherhell]

Wow I hate to stoop to your level Crow but know who your talking about before you speak you don't know what my job is and what other assets I bring in from stocks and so forth but I'll tell you this next year I will be the CIO of my company look it up and look at what the salaries are so before you start to assume anything DON'T! kthxbye

kk lets put it to the test...lets both waste sc in game first to stop wasting sc loses...i want u to buy as much sc pots as u can and we both will go to BB spot and just sit there while the BB attack us, first to stop using sc and give up and leave has less money u in?

[Zwivix]

Lmao no matter how much money anyone has...If they waist it just to prove that they have it is pretty dumb.

And I think its time to close the thread since its gonna start moving from the initial idea.

[SteiN]

Lmao no matter how much money anyone has...If they waist it just to prove that they have it is pretty dumb.

And I think its time to close the thread since its gonna start moving from the initial idea.

What zwivix said I woudl perfer to give my money to charity than to waste it on a stupid little childish idea as to spam sc pots.

[joecracker]

To me, KS'ing by definition is having someone outside of your party attacking a monster you are targeting in an attempt to get the last hit/exp and loot.

However, in the case of Helga, there is no one party, its generally several. So it's a bit complicated when it comes to defining what exactly is KS'ing in a Helga raid.

So, unfortunately I cannot give a clear answer on that, but I will see if I can get someone to clear that up once the workweek starts back up.


I will also be sending any suggestions about how Outspark and OnsOnSoft can make Helga raids better to the CSRs so that it may be passed along. This does not mean that these things will be implemented, but it will give them some ideas to propose to the developer's to see if they can make any improvements.

And jannij777, I've already asked you this once. Please try not to Multi-post. See my previous posts for tips on how to avoid this.

Thanks.

3 parties all go in and aggree to all work it to get raid and drop, other people other then those 3 parties come in and hit mob after they started to kill is KS'ing, how can you not clearly say that, do you even play this game?

it could be any amount of people or parties, its the outsiders that would be a KS

always has always will be CLEAR, simple

[cherhell]

Lmao no matter how much money anyone has...If they waist it just to prove that they have it is pretty dumb.

And I think its time to close the thread since its gonna start moving from the initial idea.

ur guildie said he has more money than me lmfao time for him to prove it...i bet i make him miss his next mortgage payment ^^

[Zwivix]

ur guildie said he has more money than me lmfao time for him to prove it...i bet i make him miss his next mortgage payment ^^

And does that make you happy?

[SteiN]

Crow I never said I made more than you I just said don't assume stuff you don't know I am done with you.

[cherhell]

What zwivix said I woudl perfer to give my money to charity than to waste it on a stupid little childish idea as to spam sc pots.

im such a show off...look at him cant even put up so u know what bro shut up ^^

[Shadowic2]

I'm going to close this since nothing productive is really coming out of this even though I gave yall the chance to do so.

If you have any further disputes between users, please take care of it via PM.

Thank you.

-Closed-

Edit by lordalden: This thread has been closed, and I'm not posting to bump it up, however, I'm going to throw my two cents in here, having read every post. My two cents here are going to be very to the point.

1.) I personally as a CL, am not going to tolerate any flaming based on wages made or the like. For one, it's entirely off-topic because it has nothing to do with any Outspark gaming experience, though it may enhance it, it's not something that is ever on-topic, period. Not only that, but you're flaming someone's choice of lifestyle. If outside of this thread I see it, there is not going to be any soft moderation from me. It's warning then you talk to OS time.

2.) I can't say a lot about the KSing thing. None of the CL's can although we try to be helpful with what in-game rules we have some bearing on, however, none of what we say may be fact necessarily. Remember, we only have 'power' on the forums, so of course our information regarding in-game may lack as a result of that.

3.) This has come up before, and it's going to end on the forums through rule enforcement means or posts not breaking the rules. This particular matter is harassing a guild or members of it for any reason. This is also going to get you an immeadiate warning from me if not anyone else. If you have a dispute with a guild, a person, or groups of people, the forums isn't your personal rant space for such a topic. You need to consider the following options:

A.) If you think they're breaking the rules, report them. Simple as that.

B.) Try to reason with them and have an open mind about matters. You may be wrong and not know it, and they may not know they're in the wrong. The door on this one swings both ways.

C.) Don't interact with them. There is nothing in the game that says you have to talk to x/y individual or group with them. By so choosing to do so, A and B suddenly become relevant, as does my entire first point in 3.

Please take time to read over this and consider it if you're reading this thread. I dislike heavily handing out warnings, but when we CL's are getting ignored we have to make sure you know we will take the appropriate counter-measures.

Sincerely,

lordalden