Apolines Price Check

[duke_]

Lately I have noticed that apolines prices of scrolls,stones, and potions have skyrocketed.We need to do something about it NOW.Or it will just keep getting higher because people still pay for the ridculous prices.I mean come on 10s for tier 2 scrolls?Thats bogus.

So I have decided to try my best to lower Apolines prices and stabilize our economy.I am looking for people willing to lower there prices and some who would be willing to donate money to people who are trying to get there production skills up for the sake of the ecomony.

If you are willing to help please leave your ign what you sell and for how much!Also if you are a donator please leave how much money you are willing to donate.

[duke_]

Scroll Makers

-Duke
-Zanori

Potions Makers

-Daisy

Stone Makers

None

[duke_]

Donators

-Zanori(with mats)

[willy_sage]

I just want to congratulate you for being mature and helping our economy and reducing the prices of items not worth the price they are current at.

CONGRATULATIONS. You sir, are my hero. I do hope you can encourage enough people.
Good Luck.

[duke_]

Thank you,I appreciate it. Would you mind dontaing some money?It Could give us a good start.

[duke_]

Bump come on good people of apoline you dont even have to do production you can just donate money to people who will be willing to get there productions up and lower prices.

[doi2in]

LOL!!

The prices of scrolls won't go down until people begin to sell the mats for cheaper.

Is this a price check thread or are you just begging for money so that you can sell expensive scrolls?

[duke_]

LOL!!

The prices of scrolls won't go down until people begin to sell the mats for cheaper.

Is this a price check thread or are you just begging for money so that you can sell expensive scrolls?

Im trying to lower the prices of apolines scrollls pots etc. If I have to farm kkp with my wife over and over again to lower mat prices than I will.Im Just trying to help the server,I said you could donate so Me and who ever else was interested could get there production materials from nina and higher our production so we can sell scrolls for a cheaper price.

[c9ftw]

I've tried this before, unless you can put in some 15 hours of kkp a day, and have about 10-20g to start off with, you won't make much of a difference. And the second you stop doing it the prices just go right back up.


Believe me, I've tried before.

[duke_]

well would it hurt to try again?why dont you join us?

[Deux_Murakama]

To be completely honest, and without being as mean as this may come out to sound, this will not work. There's always the greedy group of jackoffs that go buy these lower priced scrolls then go sell them higher elsewhere. This is what happened with the release of the 60 abyss, t3 scrolls came out costing 3 - 5 silver, then a un-named goon decided "hey i'll go get rich by reselling these scrolls to other people for higher" you might think, "hey that wont always work because they'll always go to the lower priced store and buy there instead of the higher priced one", what happens if you're afk and your vendor is empty?

People get desperate enough to jump up and spend 5 more silver, which doesnt seem like much more but it acumilates and that's when the original "cheap sellers" get mad and start bumping their price to just 1s lower that the other person or the exact same cause they're going to make money either way. Unless you have a chain wide market going on where there are multiple stores that will be constantly stocked with scrolls/pots/etc and those people vending will always be able to restock as soon as their out, then this plan will just end up passing on through the "dead threads" pile and you'll just say eff it.

BUT.

I can try to help out the best I can. I wont be grinding so much so I guess I'll make some scrolls all tiers and sell them as cheap as possible and I'll see what happens, I'll get my friend to do the same too. As for donating, I honestly would but, just because you say you want to help lower prices won't stop you from saying screw it and run off with the donation, leaving me high and dry.

[duke_]

I understand why you would have the doubt that I might run off with donations.....but I honestly can say that I will not run off with your money....mayb I can convince you otherwise through whisper ig?

[kangawoo]

The economy in Apoline has always been rediculous :/ People can throw around gold too easily and purchase epic weapons too cheaply~ What I think needs to be done is for the amount of gold circulating to be lowered, this would then in turn make the game more of a challenge, and the high level players would no longer be able to treat silver like copper. Money earned from quests would then be worth more, making it easier to get started off as a beginner :3

[duke_]

yes,something does need to be done.That is what Im trying to do.Would you mind helping in anyway that you can?

[kangawoo]

sure ;p lets start by selling tonnes of things for rediculously high prices then getting rid of the money :3

[duke_]

Okay Il discuss further with you ig Later if thats ok.

[traceurmouse]

Hey, Duke.

This is off-topic but I remember you from Slime kq. I was the guy with a female character that you said was weird. :)

On-topic, I doubt this will work..

As Jarmun said, he'd need to get rid of the many gems the higher lvls have which wont happen.

[duke_]

Hey, Duke.

This is off-topic but I remember you from Slime kq. I was the guy with a female character that you said was weird. :)

On-topic, I doubt this will work..

As Jarmun said, he'd need to get rid of the many gems the higher lvls have which wont happen.

xD xD xD lilly pad?
And Jarmun,Zanori,and I have came up with a plan to effectively help the economy.

[RikoRain]

MmM Aside from your good intentions you need to look at it logically.

First of all, MATS are needed for scrolls. Scrolls prices are 9s for T3 (T2 are high because they are rare, use common sense). They used to be 6s. So why the big jump? Well BDT used to be 1s ea. Now its 2s ea. SBL used to be 1.1s ea. Now its 2.2s ea.

The mats prices determine scroll prices. Everyone wants to make a profit, so if you have to pay more for mats, you sell the scrolls for more.

Basic Economics.

Not to mention its alot easier for you to get money with academies and stuff now, so why crai about it? Cus you cant afford that +9 blue if you buy a few scrolls? -snickers- Lol.


Heres a solution that will solve this, easily.
YOU get your scroll making up to t2 and t3. Buy all the skills for it. (then youll see what its like). Buy mats, and begin selling scrolls. You want scrolls prices to drop yes? Then get up there, get some scrolls, and sell them for cheap. Do it enough and everyone else will drop their price too.

Tho I gauruntee you. You wont make any money at all off it. :) Then youll see, that trying to lower prices of certain things doesnt work when the prices of the items needed for them are still high.

Plus, youre not only ruining the scrolls economy, but mats as well. Anyone who sells mats will have to sell them for cheaper due to cheaper scrollmakers mat requests.

[traceurmouse]

Actually, I was the fighter that you said racial comments towards, Pongster was my ign I think.. Might be one of my other low lvls though.

[duke_]

MmM Aside from your good intentions you need to look at it logically.

First of all, MATS are needed for scrolls. Scrolls prices are 9s for T3 (T2 are high because they are rare, use common sense). They used to be 6s. So why the big jump? Well BDT used to be 1s ea. Now its 2s ea. SBL used to be 1.1s ea. Now its 2.2s ea.

The mats prices determine scroll prices. Everyone wants to make a profit, so if you have to pay more for mats, you sell the scrolls for more.

Basic Economics.

Not to mention its alot easier for you to get money with academies and stuff now, so why crai about it? Cus you cant afford that +9 blue if you buy a few scrolls? -snickers- Lol.


Heres a solution that will solve this, easily.
YOU get your scroll making up to t2 and t3. Buy all the skills for it. (then youll see what its like). Buy mats, and begin selling scrolls. You want scrolls prices to drop yes? Then get up there, get some scrolls, and sell them for cheap. Do it enough and everyone else will drop their price too.

Tho I gauruntee you. You wont make any money at all off it. :) Then youll see, that trying to lower prices of certain things doesnt work when the prices of the items needed for them are still high.

Plus, youre not only ruining the scrolls economy, but mats as well. Anyone who sells mats will have to sell them for cheaper due to cheaper scrollmakers mat requests. True...but i dont see why the mat price had to have been raised....thus is the problem in the economy. It should have stayed at 1.1s instead of raising it. If we can get people to sell mats at the orginal price then we would have no problem right?

Actually, I was the fighter that you said racial comments towards, Pongster was my ign I think.. Might be one of my other low lvls though. haha xD were we talking about michael jackson?

[traceurmouse]

The mat price rose because people wanted players to sell the mats to them instead of others, So the other players also had to rise their B> prices for mats to compete.

And yes, we were.

[duke_]

ahhh I see well we need to try our best to change this.....and sorry il explain why i was like that to you ig?

[RikoRain]

The price raised when OS edited the KQs so that those mats dropped less often. Outside of KQ, those mats are otherwise somewhat hard to get. When you change a kq, you change how often people are able to get rewards (due from fail, failure to get the 5 kills, dc, or whatever).

Thus there are less mats in the market to sell.
There fore, mat buyers must compete (raise the price youre willing to buy for = you get more mats). If theres less mats, then you must raise your price to ensure you still get a steady income.

Like, go take an economics class? o.o seriously.

Edit- and no offense, but youre only level 2x? That kinda makes me think you came into the game, dont like parts, and want everyone else to change for you. Sorry for the personal assault but.. seriously. And I understand alot of this might not have been obvious to you when making this post but basically the only way you can change this at all, is to hit a high enough level where you are the scroll seller, and sell them for extremely cheap. Thats basically all you can do.

[duke_]

geez no need to be rude.Im only 13 and just trying to do something good for apolinians but so many of you just insult me for trying to help.Only very few have complimented me or even gave a helping hand.

[c9ftw]

Duke, The only way you can do this is by spamming KKP yourself. Then buying mats cheaply, by like 10 copper less then normal price. You need to basically make mass amounts of scrolls, sell them for maybe 250-500c less then everyone else. then you need to restock constantly, keeping up a stream of scrolls at that price until everyone who sells there lowers.

Then you need to get someone doing this in ALL of the scroll selling spots, and slowly, over the course of 2-3 weeks you might take the price down a slid 2 silvers.


Believe me, I've done it. Ask RikoRain, I did it mostly by myself. It's a hell of a lot of effort, you make almost 0 money, sometimes you LOSE money to do it. And it takes a lot of dedication. I gave up after a few weeks, it went on for a couple of days, then it stopped. all the prices went sky high again.

Seriously, it's not worth the effort. let people stupidly sell their mats for higher, then whine about how high scrolls are. If you're smart, get your scroll making and decomp up, make your own scrolls. No reason to complain then.

[doi2in]

This is simply Macro Economics 101.

Supply and Demand. The economy always works it's way out.

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[bakayaro_lake]

Duke, just make it, at least you DO NOT need to buy it. Plus, you can save your money and earn money too (if you want).

Let them rise the prices though. You can see how crazy the people nowadays. The demands of godly equipments and gifters are at the top. It shows how crazy they are, and even buying a gifter :3

What I do, I get some partners. My partners = my siblings <33
I'm not sure if it works on you :p:p:p.

1st - get your partners. They must be a trustworthy person.

2nd - some of your partners maybe are same lvl as yours. It's still okay but you have to get someone low lvl than you (if you think you can't get the low lvl mats) because there are drop differences between lvls.

3rd - make a deal. Discuss with them who will be as potter or scroller or decomposer or composer. These two things (pot and scroll) are important in-game.

4rd - do not be a potter and scroller at the same time! You will be more poor like this :D. If you want to be both of it, one of the skill production must reach t3-things.

5th - you have to know how often you make them and how often you can get the mats by yourself because if you depends 100% on your partners, you do not know how often they can on especially if they are not your relatives.

6th - keep some of the productions. They might be useful in the future and you will not complain about the price rising because you have them. :):)

7th - sell the rest! haha.

If you're rich enough, just buy the material from the NPCs. ^.^v If you want to be more independent, create a new char (just make the char to find the mats n do not lvl too much on this char). This is what my sis did.

Then you will know why they rise the price (for-those-who-make-it-by-themselves not who buy an item n sell it higher than be4)

p/s : ask your family to join. It's easy and the best way you can avoid the scammer. ;)

[Minmay_Lynn]

I'm selling T1 scrolls at 250c and sometimes at 200c a piece. So is that a good price or not?

[killer_pagan]

T1 100c ~200c is what I sell them for

[ChildOfFire]

T1 100c ~200c is what I sell them for

I used and still selling them for 50c :D.. ah good old days. I'll explain my opinion on this matter with this :.

The reason why the price of scrolls pots skyrocket :
1. the price of mats is rising
2. The reseller

The reason of mats price is rising :
1. They reduce the drop by 20% last year (i used to able to make 2.5g each night (4 hours grind) by selling drop from lvl 70 abbys when it first come out, now it impossible)

2. on 2007/2008 fiesta always have drop/exp boost on weekends. That before they introduce hunter war rant on store. Hence the price of scrolls pots that time is a lot more cheaper.

3.I tried to spam kkp on my noobies on last weekend, out of 10 tried, i only success it 2 times, since lot more player didn't know what they should do..plvl by repeat. low success rate on kq which is main source for mats is one of the reason.

[duke_]

So everyone on Apoline doesn't think a change can happen?Cmon guys we can do it. All you have to do is believe to succeed.

[traceurmouse]

Tell that to all the people who trully believed they could fly, then fell to their deaths.

Harsh example, but truths.

[mage_way14]

Tell that to all the people who trully believed they could fly, then fell to their deaths.

Harsh example, but truths.

Flying isnt the hard part, its landing.