Major Tournament Flaw.

[trz2111]

I have been in 3 guild tournaments already, and my guild has been in 5, so I am speaking from experience. There is a major flaw in the setup of the Guild Tournament.

From the beginning, the participation fee was 10g, then it dropped to 5g ... now 1g. However, the participation of guilds did not increase whatsoever. I have not yet been in a guild tournament with more than 4 guilds participating. Does this seem like a FUNDS issue? Are these guilds not able to afford the 1g participation fee?

No. Every decent guild can afford the fee, the issue is the SparksCash pots. I understand charming, mounts, extenders, crit. suits and all that - because these don't make you monumentally stronger. All these perks merely increase your strength, but do not make you invincible.

I know of people in my own guild and in the opposing guild that went through almost 4 SparksCash pots during a tournament. So the people who want to spam their 'save' button get to outlive someone who could be much better in pvp and have much better gears? Does a person have to spend an additional 15-20$ real cash to be able to kill someone who only used 10$? Does this seem fair?

I ask you this, Outspark. Is this tournament just a test to see who has the bigger wallets? I thought at first that this tournament would entail some kind of skill - who is the better fighter with the better gears, like in PVP-Kq.

I understand this is a business, but I started playing this game just after open-beta, so I've seen it all. This tournament structure is making me feel like there isn't a point to play much longer, since it is not who is the most skilled is victorious, it is the person with the credit card on hotkey. (sorry to be so blatant but it's true.)

I'm not doing this to complain or pry. My guild has won the last tournament so this is not out of spite. I simply feel that it is unfair for everyone else who is not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a f2p game monthly in order to have what little if any 'pride' that comes from out-living a couple people by spamming a single button.

Make the fee 100 copper, and prove I'm wrong. I bet people still won't join in order to get slaughtered by a bunch of people who they cannot afford to fight against. Guild tournaments should be stones only (or maybe even stones and regular in game potions only). It would be more fun, more challenging, and would require real skill, not real money.

[n3ne1]

Well said. ^^

[gillis_ms]

I have to agree, I am a major contributor, and I dont wanna let my guild down, but it is more expensive than a Helga raid, and for what? Bragging rights (lol)? Uber pots to help in the next tourney or Helga raid? I mean, OS wins, the house always wins. We lose b/c we bend to their whim. Look at the new haloween outfit 7295 sc! 22% crit and 5% dmg is epic, but thats nearly 10$ for one month of your outfit only!!! *sigh* /rant

[avion210]

I agree 100% to all of this, but after all is said and done it's Outspark were talking about, when was the alst time they sacrificed cash for the happiness of players?

[tempacc]

Color coded~

I have been in 3 guild tournaments already, and my guild has been in 5, so I am speaking from experience. There is a major flaw in the setup of the Guild Tournament.

From the beginning, the participation fee was 10g, then it dropped to 5g ... now 1g. However, the participation of guilds did not increase whatsoever. I have not yet been in a guild tournament with more than 4 guilds participating. Does this seem like a FUNDS issue? Are these guilds not able to afford the 1g participation fee?

No. Every decent guild can afford the fee, the issue is the SparksCash pots. I understand charming, mounts, extenders, crit. suits and all that - because these don't make you monumentally stronger. All these perks merely increase your strength, but do not make you invincible.

I know of people in my own guild and in the opposing guild that went through almost 4 SparksCash pots during a tournament. So the people who want to spam their 'save' button get to outlive someone who could be much better in pvp and have much better gears? Does a person have to spend an additional 15-20$ real cash to be able to kill someone who only used 10$? Does this seem fair?

I ask you this, Outspark. Is this tournament just a test to see who has the bigger wallets? I thought at first that this tournament would entail some kind of skill - who is the better fighter with the better gears, like in PVP-Kq.

I understand this is a business, but I started playing this game just after open-beta, so I've seen it all. This tournament structure is making me feel like there isn't a point to play much longer, since it is not who is the most skilled is victorious, it is the person with the credit card on hotkey. (sorry to be so blatant but it's true.)

I'm not doing this to complain or pry. My guild has won the last tournament so this is not out of spite. I simply feel that it is unfair for everyone else who is not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a f2p game monthly in order to have what little if any 'pride' that comes from out-living a couple people by spamming a single button.

Make the fee 100 copper, and prove I'm wrong. I bet people still won't join in order to get slaughtered by a bunch of people who they cannot afford to fight against. Guild tournaments should be stones only (or maybe even stones and regular in game potions only). It would be more fun, more challenging, and would require real skill, not real money.

Well, for my guild, the issue was funds since we're a small guild with barely enough people to join the tourney. And when we did, we got the gate bug and couldn't do anything :/

You think m.pots make the game imbalanced and 150% hp/sp, 170% dmg/def, +20% crit, and even faster movers don't..?

Simplest and most reasonable solution? Suspend all cash shop items, pausing the countdown time, and reactivate them right after you leave the tourney map. Levels the playing field for people who can't (Or choose no to) get spark cash and at the same time, makes the people who can't play without the cash shop realize this fact.

Hah

I like that you included this part. Shows that you're looking at this from more of a rational perspective instead of simply complaining.

Pretty sure like everyone would join just to join if the price was 100c, regardless of how much they'll get pwned.

[imeel]

it should be like pvp kq restrictions, i guess.

[Dizuma]

Hi pointless thread #4323435457668.
I can some this up with a link, but I prefer to be difficult, so link first. Un-needed video links, time notations, and screenies after.
This link is highly classified and is not stickied as soon as you enter this section of the forums, it doesn't let people know the things they are working of getting rid of/fixing for the Guild Tournament. As a matter of fact, this link doesnt exist. But still click here. (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226162)

I have been in 3 guild tournaments already, and my guild has been in 5, so I am speaking from experience. There is a major flaw in the setup of the Guild Tournament.

From the beginning, the participation fee was 10g, then it dropped to 5g ... now 1g. However, the participation of guilds did not increase whatsoever. I have not yet been in a guild tournament with more than 4 guilds participating. Does this seem like a FUNDS issue? Are these guilds not able to afford the 1g participation fee?

No. Every decent guild can afford the fee, the issue is the SparksCash pots. I understand charming, mounts, extenders, crit. suits and all that - because these don't make you monumentally stronger. All these perks merely increase your strength, but do not make you invincible.

I know of people in my own guild and in the opposing guild that went through almost 4 SparksCash pots during a tournament. So the people who want to spam their 'save' button get to outlive someone who could be much better in pvp and have much better gears? Does a person have to spend an additional 15-20$ real cash to be able to kill someone who only used 10$? Does this seem fair?

I ask you this, Outspark. Is this tournament just a test to see who has the bigger wallets? I thought at first that this tournament would entail some kind of skill - who is the better fighter with the better gears, like in PVP-Kq.

I understand this is a business, but I started playing this game just after open-beta, so I've seen it all. This tournament structure is making me feel like there isn't a point to play much longer, since it is not who is the most skilled is victorious, it is the person with the credit card on hotkey. (sorry to be so blatant but it's true.)

I'm not doing this to complain or pry. My guild has won the last tournament so this is not out of spite. I simply feel that it is unfair for everyone else who is not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a f2p game monthly in order to have what little if any 'pride' that comes from out-living a couple people by spamming a single button.

Make the fee 100 copper, and prove I'm wrong. I bet people still won't join in order to get slaughtered by a bunch of people who they cannot afford to fight against. Guild tournaments should be stones only (or maybe even stones and regular in game potions only). It would be more fun, more challenging, and would require real skill, not real money.


You complain as if both sides didnt use sc pots, if people want to drain their wallets for bragging rights, let them? Don't want to deal with it, dont join?

My points are made clear through Exhibit A & B.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7yhOcUuFDQ&feature=related - The ENTIRE video until I found away to break them. ;) <3 Slash Set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBBbWbL0u0
2:37 - 2:49.
2:55 - 3:17.

Then this is a chat I had with a disgruntled child, probably a 12 year old that has failed to mature in sense at a point in life, contradicting his/her-self and being a blatent hypocrit. There was more to this conversation about this person saying me & my guild members use charms and blahzeblah, like his/her guild doesn't do the same. :p
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/Chaos_X_2006/lol.jpg

[killer_pagan]

the problem is the only guilds in these are the ones that have 90~95% of the HGs on their servers so it is lets go up against 20+ people charmed swinging +9 HGs and pay 1g just to get pwnt not gonna happen

[tempacc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBBbWbL0u0
2:37 - 2:49.
2:55 - 3:17.

All I saw was you covered from head to toe in just about every cash shop item I can think of.

Like I've said before, the guild tourney is useless as a means of testing guilds abilities since the cash shop removes all need for any skill in the game, resulting in level 9x players face-rolling so until it's fixed, if people are going to spam their real world money every second, let them...

[Dizuma]

All I saw was you covered from head to toe in just about every cash shop item I can think of.

Like I've said before, the guild tourney is useless as a means of testing guilds abilities since the cash shop removes all need for any skill in the game, resulting in level 9x players face-rolling so until it's fixed, if people are going to spam their real world money every second, let them...

Me, in every item you can think of?
If you watch the videos I'm either wearing my perma tuxedo, wings and at times a angel helmet, and my biker shorts. Are those all the items you can think of? No need to say anything else really, except glasses pl0x.

[UzumakiW]

All I saw was you covered from head to toe in just about every cash shop item I can think of.

Like I've said before, the guild tourney is useless as a means of testing guilds abilities since the cash shop removes all need for any skill in the game, resulting in level 9x players face-rolling so until it's fixed, if people are going to spam their real world money every second, let them...

http://i33.tinypic.com/kb3psi.jpg

Not really, though.

[killer_pagan]

until they come up with some type of handicap system the tournaments will all be fails remember the guilds you see in the tournaments are the guilds that horded the hellgaits and those hoping to get 3rd

[efylaro]

lol @ that zanori guy ... looks like you caught him at half hp and fighting someone else good job grow up little whiner you're mad cuz you get owned by rena.

[cherhell]

lol i dont think sc has anything to do with the situation as to why most ppl dont do this tournament. i dont know about other servers but on teva no one really participate in pvp kq or in kq on a whole, let alone guild tournaments....to me the whole set up of that tournament is bad but what can we expect from a company that has no creative rights over fiesta

[queencatstarr]

I have been in 3 guild tournaments already, and my guild has been in 5, so I am speaking from experience. There is a major flaw in the setup of the Guild Tournament.

From the beginning, the participation fee was 10g, then it dropped to 5g ... now 1g. However, the participation of guilds did not increase whatsoever. I have not yet been in a guild tournament with more than 4 guilds participating. Does this seem like a FUNDS issue? Are these guilds not able to afford the 1g participation fee?

No. Every decent guild can afford the fee, the issue is the SparksCash pots. I understand charming, mounts, extenders, crit. suits and all that - because these don't make you monumentally stronger. All these perks merely increase your strength, but do not make you invincible.

I know of people in my own guild and in the opposing guild that went through almost 4 SparksCash pots during a tournament. So the people who want to spam their 'save' button get to outlive someone who could be much better in pvp and have much better gears? Does a person have to spend an additional 15-20$ real cash to be able to kill someone who only used 10$? Does this seem fair?

I ask you this, Outspark. Is this tournament just a test to see who has the bigger wallets? I thought at first that this tournament would entail some kind of skill - who is the better fighter with the better gears, like in PVP-Kq.

I understand this is a business, but I started playing this game just after open-beta, so I've seen it all. This tournament structure is making me feel like there isn't a point to play much longer, since it is not who is the most skilled is victorious, it is the person with the credit card on hotkey. (sorry to be so blatant but it's true.)

I'm not doing this to complain or pry. My guild has won the last tournament so this is not out of spite. I simply feel that it is unfair for everyone else who is not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a f2p game monthly in order to have what little if any 'pride' that comes from out-living a couple people by spamming a single button.

Make the fee 100 copper, and prove I'm wrong. I bet people still won't join in order to get slaughtered by a bunch of people who they cannot afford to fight against. Guild tournaments should be stones only (or maybe even stones and regular in game potions only). It would be more fun, more challenging, and would require real skill, not real money.

I disagree. The issue is not the sc pots or anything else using sc. Its the point that the guilds that are entering have higher level players. Why would a guild who has mostly 60-80 enter a tournament against players who start at 85 and are mostly 95 and up. It is no contest who will win and who will lose. Why even try.

The second thing I think is a problem is the time that it is held. I live on the east coast and it is midnight before it starts and I am sure that I am not alone with having to get up early the next morning for school or work.

[tempacc]

http://i33.tinypic.com/kb3psi.jpg
Why thank y--
Not really, though.
Aw. :(

[RikoRain]

True, tho I think its more an overall sc problem.

In Apoline at least, the same 2-3 guilds join tourny. Why is it just these same guilds? Simple. Everyone else in Apoline knows these guilds are huge, powerful, and have a full sparkcash arsenal at their disposal. Why bother joining tournament when its obvious you cant win, because certain guilds are all decked out with sc?

And I doubt OS will change it. Because honestly, their making money off those sc pots and charms like there are M&Ms made daily.

[avion210]

I agree it is neither the fee or the time, its is the fact that you know you can't win, so why even bother?

[ForgottenMiss27]

why is my name in that sceenshot...?

[KungFuHobo]

lol @ that zanori guy ... looks like you caught him at half hp and fighting someone else good job grow up little whiner you're mad cuz you get owned by rena.

But... Majestic won in that video :Q
And who goes for 1 on 1's in any guild war/tournament situations :Q

And to me, looks like that guy talked himself up alot, only to get beat down ~.~ /offtopic

Anyway-

You can't just suspend SC pots, you have to suspend everything (I wouldn't mind)- like tempacc said.

[Dizuma]

lol @ that zanori guy ... looks like you caught him at half hp and fighting someone else good job grow up little whiner you're mad cuz you get owned by rena.

Glasses needed much..?
He was blasting at one person then switched to me when he saw me, not my fault LMA decided he wanted him too. The point of the screenie in the video was at the bottom since I was too lazy to crop where he said "1 shot you in the tourny later :D" which is followed with him critting me 1.6k which would at norm be a 8xx hit. If you're going to flame, read first.

why is my name in that sceenshot...?

He said something about someone in our guild can only use charms and sc pots in wars to win and I said like Nana charms and sc pots in wars, I meant to block the second mention of your name out but I overlooked it somehow.:confused:

But... Majestic won in that video :Q
And who goes for 1 on 1's in any guild war/tournament situations :Q

And to me, looks like that guy talked himself up alot, only to get beat down ~.~ /offtopic

Anyway-

You can't just suspend SC pots, you have to suspend everything (I wouldn't mind)- like tempacc said.

Yea we win some we lose some. =P

[fearmentor]

pointless debate really, they add new features as a means to create more revenue. All game companies start out like OS did, we were gamers they were service providers.. somewhere sometime it turned into we are customers they are a corporation.

I guess its business thats all. As a customer I partially understand, as a gamer it makes me want to cry.

Maybe it would be better to figure out a way to balance the playing field without making it less attractive to OS. Like a lvl limitation or handicap feature depending on guild strength etc. Coming from one of the supposed *big* guilds I can honestly say it would be more fun if more guilds joined and the playing field was more lvl. The handicap could be to do with guild rating, where the game rates your guild dependant on weekly average members online/lvl of players. Or even using ranking system/points sytem from previous guild tournies.

[Dizuma]

It's getting obvious no one is reading the only stickied post on this subsection of the forums.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226162

[Jade.Archer]

^- lol sig.

[GM_Straega]

It's getting obvious no one is reading the only stickied post on this subsection of the forums.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226162

Not true! I read it!

[Dizuma]

Not true! I read it!

Pics or it didnt happen!