Official OS response required here

[maxent]

Dear OS staff,

There have been many posts directed at the current L100 knight job change rewards/bonuses and the knight skill neglect. All of which have gone unanswered. Here are a few examples:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230634
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218181
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223525
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214930

And I myself have posted in GM_Nekopon's Glitch thread about the neglect issue, which again, went unanswered.

Why can't we get a simple confirmation regarding neglect and the L100 knight job/class change rewards. ARE THEY BUGGED (IN ANY WAY) OR NOT???

Please give us an answer.

And perhaps it would be best to add more information to the CLASS CHANGE guide as well. In particular, detail (1) the specific L100 class/job change rewards, (2) the stat (i.e., str/end/dex/int/spr) bonuses on levelling with each class (relative to the alternate class - e.g., list level bonus differences between ranger and sharpshooters), and (3) the skills available to each class (again relative to the alternate class).

Thanks

[lordalden]

In the last thread you linked, Nekopon posts stating they are aware of the problem. Them being aware or recognizing it is totally different from replying in the way you want(i.e. telling you the fix is coming shortly). I think you're looking for the latter here rather than the former, because you already linked to the former.

These have gone answered in the past, and even in one of the threads you're linking. It'd be greatly appreciated if you could not fish for OS replies when you say they're not giving them after you show that they have. That solves nothing.

The pursuit for the last part of your post may have some validity so I'll pass this information along. However, I'm going to have to ask for the thread numbers to calm down on this particular matter. I understand you're concerned, however, they're aware, and if they feel it's an issue, they're trying to get a solution for it. Asking for more replies to the issue being "unanswered" takes time away from the looking at information they may not have or may not be working towards.

Please take that into consideration and carefully review the information you yourself find before concluding that there is a lack of awareness.

[maxent]

In the last thread you linked, Nekopon posts stating they are aware of the problem. Them being aware or recognizing it is totally different from replying in the way you want(i.e. telling you the fix is coming shortly). I think you're looking for the latter here rather than the former, because you already linked to the former.

These have gone answered in the past, and even in one of the threads you're linking. It'd be greatly appreciated if you could not fish for OS replies when you say they're not giving them after you show that they have. That solves nothing.

Just to clarify, are your referring to the replies made by OS stuff in:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223525
[Posts: 14, 17, 21, 23, 25, 39]

If so, there she mentions: "Well, hey I see your post and while we can't do anything about it at the moment, we know what's going on."

However, this is not the issue here. I am not questioning the "awareness" of OS regarding this matter. Neither am I asking if they think its balanced, or if there will be future balancing regarding these issues, or what potential changes could be.

My questions are simple.
(1) Is the Knight class/job change reward what they intended or is it bugged?
(2) Is the neglect skill working as they intended or is it bugged?

Essentially, the 2 questions can be easily answered with:
1. Yes, it is bugged.
2. No, it is not bugged.

In the case of the first question, if the rewards awarded don't conform to what they originally set out to do, then it if bugged. Otherwise, it isn't bugged. And in the case of the Neglect skill, again, a simple clarification that the way the skill works now is the way they intended it to work will do. How difficult is it to confirm that?

And note that there is also no mention of these in the bug list either, not even in the "Reported issues (Posted here but not tested)" category. Neither has there been any direct reply to my posts in that thread.)

[lordalden]

I apologize for not understanding your concern then, the opening few sentences can be misleading by saying no answers were given, when that's simply not true. Be that as it may, though, if there were already pre-existing threads what was the need to create further ones? If it's to avoid a necro I understand, however beyond that more threads doesn't mean more liklihood for an answer, nor will fishing for OS replies.

[maxent]

I apologize for not understanding your concern then, the opening few sentences can be misleading by saying no answers were given, when that's simply not true. Be that as it may, though, if there were already pre-existing threads what was the need to create further ones? If it's to avoid a necro I understand, however beyond that more threads doesn't mean more liklihood for an answer, nor will fishing for OS replies.

This thread is not concerned with any discussion relating to the issues in question, nor does it question OS's awareness; it makes specific two questions that should be simple to answer.

This thread also serves to cut through any assumptions, bias and discussion. Its objective is simply to get two yes or no answers from OS.

[salman.pisces]

I may not be one of the staff but i can assure you that getting a yes or no answer from Outspark about this quest is intended or not does not always depend on them.You should be aware that OnsOnSoft is the game's developer and not Outspark.The staff usually answers such questions unless that matter of concern(even the fact whether the quest reward is a bug or not or whether it is balanced or not) is still under discussion with the staff or OnsOnSoft.You will probably get your reply later.There is also a slight possibility that your query has already been answered on other threads( if someone not from the staff answered your question correctly the staff members usually do not give that answer all over again).

[saharu]

Have you tried pm'ing them?

[maxent]

Have you tried pm'ing them?

Not yet. I might try this later ...

I have noted that GM_Nekopon has made several changes to her glitch list thread though ... however, she has yet to provide an answer to these 2 questions.

[saharu]

'Cause the forums are public, and it is meant for regular community members to join and discuss. If you have a specific question it's probably easier and less time consuming to pm instead of posting on the forums and hoping someone drops by.

[GM_Nekopon]

Not yet. I might try this later ...

I have noted that GM_Nekopon has made several changes to her glitch list thread though ... however, she has yet to provide an answer to these 2 questions.

I also made a reply to my thread.

[maxent]

I also made a reply to my thread.

Perhaps. However, since several players have shown an interest in this topic, a public reply to inform the general fiesta community seems more appropriate.

'Cause the forums are public, and it is meant for regular community members to join and discuss. If you have a specific question it's probably easier and less time consuming to pm instead of posting on the forums and hoping someone drops by.

You mean this post: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2772294#post2772294

Where you said: "I wanted to mention that the glitches posted needs time to be confirmed and tested. I cannot tell you right away "yes" or "no" that something is absolutely a glitch. Thank you"

Firstly, I'd like to thank you for at least acknowledging your awareness of the presence of this thread, and more importantly, the specific questions it raises.

And I do realise that certain things do take time to sort out. However, at least one of the two questions listed is fairly straight-forward to answer, the one regarding the level 100 Knight job/class change reward. These rewards I assume are deterministic in nature (i.e., I assume that there is no random aspect involved in determining the quantities allotted), which means, you simply have to determine what the numbers are, and if you deem these numbers to be correct or not.

I would also assume that when implementing new material that arrived with the level 105 cap (including the level 100 job/class changes), the decision(s) regarding the amounts to be rewarded for each level 100 job/class change would have been discussed, tested, and finally chosen prior to the release of the new content. With those decisions documented, there should be no difficultly in confirming that the current rewards given to characters that commit to becoming a level 100 knight are indeed correct. If the reward currently given indeed corresponds to those decided upon, then the answer to Q1 (specified in post 3 of this thread) should be "yes", and if not, then the answer is "no". I would think that this is simple to establish given my common-sense assumptions. However, please correct/enlighten me if any of those assumptions were made in error.

The other question (i.e., Q2 as specified in post 3 of this thread) is slightly more difficult to confirm, since it may involve more testing. However, as many players have already made clear, the conditions under which the Neglect skill "breaks" or is removed has been made quite clear. I do understand that OnSoft is responsible for implementing the actual changes corresponding to game mechanics. However, the opinion of OS rewarding their desired applicability of this skill should be more or less clear; does OS wish this skill to work in its present form?

Let me once again thank you for the time you have taken in addressing this post, and in particular the two questions it specifies. I hope that you will be able provide a more definite answer the two questions raised (or at least to one of them).

[wannabeguyo]

Lol, I love how this just requires a yes or no, but it has yet to be answered -_____-"

[RikoRain]

And keep in mind Glads and Knights are not meant to get the same bonuses, or they would just be the same and not different.

As I think I heard it... I THINK I was told earlier on, Glads get HP (actual health, not end) boost, and a str boost. Knights get a huge dex and mdef/spr boost.

But if the issue for knights is its not applying the right amount then thats kinda bad ;o dunno, i would so go glad I think, simply because the top is just a necklace and shoulderpads *O*

[leobaloy]

Lol, I love how this just requires a yes or no, but it has yet to be answered -_____-"

Same lmfao. Apparently, its too challenging for OS to say yes, or no.

[GM_Nekopon]

It's not the simple answer of "yes" or "no". It's answering with either of these words accurately. That comes with time and confirmation that needs to be made with Onson. There are also many other potential glitches/bugs that needs to be looked over, not just this one.

[maxent]

It's not the simple answer of "yes" or "no". It's answering with either of these words accurately. That comes with time and confirmation that needs to be made with Onson. There are also many other potential glitches/bugs that needs to be looked over, not just this one.

This happens to be true only if you don't know what the level 100 Knight job/class change rewards should be. Are you saying that OS does not know what these rewards should be?

[drigr_x]

Considering OS doesn't write the code for the game and OOS does... I think you're right in thinking OS doesn't know...

[maxent]

Considering OS doesn't write the code for the game and OOS does... I think you're right in thinking OS doesn't know...

They should. And there are certainly aspects that they do know of, and have changed, e.g., stats on Helga items.

And something like the rewards given for the completion of a quest, which corresponds to one of the two questions being raised in this thread, should be easy to determine.

Edit: They could also create a test character and advance, then complete the job changes quests to determine what the reward is.

[drigr_x]

But I don't think the stats are just a reward for completing a quest.. They are actual stats that have to be hardwired into the character...

[Bueawa]

Lol, Gotta Love Maxent´s Swag In This Thread ^^. I hope they answer the questions. And I DO hope that when the new instance comes out, there won´t be no glitches with it. I recall seeing a GM write a thread about the new instance, Lol they´re finalizing it, so there won´t be no glitches. Ever since 89 Cap, OS Fiesta has been sinking deeper and deeper :/. And as Maxent said, OS SHOULD know wether the rewards are right or not. Hope OnsOnSoft does something about this issue, I´m tired of their lazyness, and greed.

[maxent]

But I don't think the stats are just a reward for completing a quest.. They are actual stats that have to be hardwired into the character...

Regardless, it should still be simple for a GM to verify what the current reward is (given the common-sense assumptions made in my earlier post(s)).


Lol, Gotta Love Maxent´s Swag In This Thread ^^. I hope they answer the questions. And I DO hope that when the new instance comes out, there won´t be no glitches with it. I recall seeing a GM write a thread about the new instance, Lol they´re finalizing it, so there won´t be no glitches. Ever since 89 Cap, OS Fiesta has been sinking deeper and deeper :/. And as Maxent said, OS SHOULD know wether the rewards are right or not. Hope OnsOnSoft does something about this issue, I´m tired of their lazyness, and greed.

Thanks. And yes, I do hope OS provides an answer to these questions in the near future.

[tears-of-blood]

omg why u fighters want so much

what about the other classes?

RAISE MAGE BASE DEF NAO!!

lol Jk <3 u OS
keep it the way it is :]
Im not going to complain like most of the fighters ;]

[Ciocolajs]

omg why u fighters want so much

what about the other classes?

RAISE MAGE BASE DEF NAO!!

lol Jk <3 u OS

keep it the way it is :]
Im not going to complain like most of the fighters ;]
Tears-of-blood:
Maybe cause you arent a knight? And that you dont care bout your own character buggs, SINCE YOU ARE NOT A FIGHTER.( And just leave thread if you dont like fighters complaining.Don't try to be rude when people are trying to get something done with their class)
What i dont get is that Gladiators get that Hp boost and str boost, when they are more a DD/pvp class. When the Knights who are in much more need of that Hp gets 15hp.(Sure GLadiators need hp now too since they lose alot of def cause no shield, but it doesnt mean Knight wont get anything)
(When they are supposed to be the TANKING CLASS)
I mean I grinded my *** of to get 100 to become a knight. I didnt use all that sc to get a Knight with bugged skills (if they are bugged ,WHICH I DONT KNOW YET)or Bugged HP(WHICH I STIL DONT KNOW YET). Well it doesnt mean i cant play but i stil would need that HP since im tanking alot now that i got Knight.
(Oh and i am focusing on this thread now , since my thread didnt get that much attention XD)

[drigr_x]

Honestly... Its about time fighters get hit... They're the closest class to perfet this game has... Including having like all, except for 1 (that works like vit), skills from the other versions... Did you know that its listed somewhere with archers having a crit PT buff? And clerics' trip and bleed and I think are supposed to actually TRIP and BLEED.

[Ciocolajs]

Doesnt mean everyone have to get hit . QQ!

[drigr_x]

Nope... Just everyone except fighters >.> -.- <.<