Should guild admins be allowed to ban academy members

[killer_pagan]

Like the title says it has come to the point in my guild that the guild master (who is also acad master) has had some RL issues and can't log in at the moment and our guild needs to kick some academy members for being very inactive, but oh wait only acad master can kick. Now admins can kick normal members so why can't they also be able to kick acad members also.

[Diana_rioen_2nd]

i'm i think its far to say that admins should be able to kick academy members. so yes i agree.

[juicy_babii]

Yeah I agree since sometimes the acad master doesn't do anything or is hardly ever on and as a guild admin they should have more freedom to do and help the guild/acad

[Neightking]

Ultimately it would be super sweet if it could be implemented so that the guild master had the ability to assign privileges to the various ranking members of the guild. I always found it funny that the academy master is unable to change the academy notice or that the guild master is not able to warp to academy members. In my opinion i feel that the guild master should have access to all guild related abilities as well as to have the option to decide who else in the guild can do what as well.

[iggnacio]

yeah, I agree guild admins should be able to ban.

[spookyiness]

i don't
but that's my personal opinion - it's fraught with abuse, and would mean less admins in most guilds cause only the truely trustworthy could be
but i do agree that the academy master should be allowed to ban academy members, and access guild storage as normal, as that is technically a part of their duties

[Diana_rioen_2nd]

i don't
but that's my personal opinion - it's fraught with abuse, and would mean less admins in most guilds cause only the truely trustworthy could be
but i do agree that the academy master should be allowed to ban academy members, and access guild storage as normal, as that is technically a part of their duties

that's the thing. if you were the master of a guild and you worked hard to earn the money to make it (i think it costs maybe 500s or maybe 1g). and you wanted your guild to be successful. wouldn't you want only people you trusted to make decisions on who to kick from the guild/academy? me personally i would but like you said. this is just my personal opinion.

[spookyiness]

that's the thing. if you were the master of a guild and you worked hard to earn the money to make it (i think it costs maybe 500s or maybe 1g). and you wanted your guild to be successful. wouldn't you want only people you trusted to make decisions on who to kick from the guild/academy? me personally i would but like you said. this is just my personal opinion.

i am the master, of 3 successful guilds, and i have admins that i trust enough to invite and do the day-to-day semi policing, but the only person i trust to have access to my guild storage is me, and the person i assigned to be academy master (who is my irl gf).
if admins got access to it, i'd have to demote all my admins, and then only 2 people would be able to invite ppl to the guilds when the times come, which would not be a benefit to me.
i've known a lot of the members of my guilds for a very long time, and i trust them with a lot, but experience teaches me that if you trust anyone at all a little too much, it bites you back - i've been burned more than once, and i hear of other guilds getting burned all the time simply because they give the wrong person full rights on the wrong day.

[Diana_rioen_2nd]

i am the master, of 3 successful guilds, and i have admins that i trust enough to invite and do the day-to-day semi policing, but the only person i trust to have access to my guild storage is me, and the person i assigned to be academy master (who is my irl gf).
if admins got access to it, i'd have to demote all my admins, and then only 2 people would be able to invite ppl to the guilds when the times come, which would not be a benefit to me.
i've known a lot of the members of my guilds for a very long time, and i trust them with a lot, but experience teaches me that if you trust anyone at all a little too much, it bites you back - i've been burned more than once, and i hear of other guilds getting burned all the time simply because they give the wrong person full rights on the wrong day.

i agree with most of what you said. though like you i disagree with Admins having access to guild storage and stuff like that. but the part i do agree with in the first post is that admins should have rights to kick people from the academy. other then that i'm not all to sure about the rest.

offtopic: what guilds do you run? just asking.

[killer_pagan]

guild storage is a very sensitive subject but kicking members weather it be academy or guild admins should be able to do both

[truegamer1000]

I'm not sure if admins should be able to ban academy members because of the trust factor. But if admins can't ban inactive members, then the system should do that. Inactive academy members should be banned from the academy if they don't log on for some time, say 2 weeks or by option set by the guild master.

[spookyiness]

offtopic: what guilds do you run? just asking.


on cypion, Awesomeness, which was full and overflows into RAWRsomeness (both non-war)
and WARsomeness, the warring counterpart, which tends to be used more part time by members of the other guilds

[drigr_x]

I think admins should be able to ban acad members. Reason being, they can Ban GUILD members. And its harder for someone to rejoin the GUILD. They have to find another admin and have them invite back, and probably talk to the master about the person who banned them having that priviledge. Howevr, if they ban an acad member, it is simple for the acad member to rejoin, whether active or not. They just have to type the name in again.

[zephyr_wind]

Banning academy members I agree should be one of the privileges of an admin. Anything to do with guild storage no.

[salman.pisces]

of course they should be able to.I don't really enjoy the idea of seeing my academy full of level 1 players who haven't bothered to level for a month.Neither do I want rude players in there.

[killer_pagan]

yeah and the feature would be easier to code than an auto kick

[declyn]

Yeah they definitely should be able to kick academy members....Nice idea!

[runkler]

I Voted Yes
Becasue I have a fairly good guild and i am the master and i have 2 awesome admins and i trust them too ban them if im not online or at least ban there academy chat ban.
Also How Do you unChat Ban An Academy member?

[salman.pisces]

I Voted Yes
Becasue I have a fairly good guild and i am the master and i have 2 awesome admins and i trust them too ban them if im not online or at least ban there academy chat ban.
Also How Do you unChat Ban An Academy member?

If i remember correctly,you get a new option when you click on a chat banned member don't you?

[skysparkle]

admins can kick guild members so of course they should b able to kick academy members would also help alot with abusive academy members and inactives also would b very useful for acad master to b able to ban

[runkler]

If i remember correctly,you get a new option when you click on a chat banned member don't you?
naa i didnt get one :( ohh well if they misbehave its a perm chat ban XD SO BEHAVE! lolz

[killer_pagan]

back on topic please and can we get some more votes

[Infestation]

I believe if they relog they get to chat again, but that is what I have seen from two people who were constantly getting chat banned/banned from our academy.

On topic, yes they should be able to. But I also feel like if this is the case, the guild master needs to have an option added to make certain members unbannable. When the level of academies was raised from 40 to 60 we had some semi active players that were made to go back to the academy with the agreement they would not be banned. While this should be known by everyone, there is a chance that it wouldn't be followed or a mistake made.

[FrostyFruit]

Ya, good idea. Sometimes academy is full and master is away for a long time. ._.

[harequil]

Nyah. Lol, thats what academy master is for (:. If he/she is not active a lot, he/she shouldn't be an acad master imho =P.

[zephyr_wind]

Nyah. Lol, thats what academy master is for (:. If he/she is not active a lot, he/she shouldn't be an acad master imho =P.

sometimes the acad master/guild master are the same person which is why this topic was made o.o

[killer_pagan]

Nyah. Lol, thats what academy master is for (:. If he/she is not active a lot, he/she shouldn't be an acad master imho =P.
please read first post

[RikoRain]

I hear this needs a bump, plus, very good topic.

Guild Admins SHOULD be able to ban Academy Members.

I also think OS could define guild structure more. (Guards / Council). Say, Council can also add members to a guild, but cannot ban. And say.. idk, Guards can do... but its an idea. Spread the love off the Guild Master so much, because if a Guild Master goes MIA... the whole uild crumbles.

[kadia_seren]

Hellbringer and I are running into this problem. With our guild we are only banning like once a week so if a new person wants in they have to wait till Hell wakes up, and usually said person is offline by now. We've gotten to the point where we are switching mastership back and forth, and it gets annoying especially since when you transfer master status it makes you a normal member.
So all in all I agree that admins should have the power to ban, or even better make a Vice-master. all the same powers as the guild master for those guilds like Resurrection. ^^

Kadia_Seren

[RikoRain]

Ooo co master sounds nice. But that would actually require an addition (adding in a member type and all its powers). I think editing the current groups migh tbe easier for them. What with the whole game code and everything./ Maybe they could make Council be a "co master" type, but just knock off the Ban ability for the guild guild or something

[kadia_seren]

Ooo co master sounds nice. But that would actually require an addition (adding in a member type and all its powers). I think editing the current groups migh tbe easier for them. What with the whole game code and everything./ Maybe they could make Council be a "co master" type, but just knock off the Ban ability for the guild guild or something

Maybe, I think most of the groups are fairly useless. They don't have enough power to do anything if the master disappears and then the guild dies. If the master does go MIA the rest of the members should be able to run it without him maybe not as well as if he/she were there, but at least keep it alive.

[killer_pagan]

this sounds like another game I play (text based mmo) where I am a council member, I can do everything the master can except promote people to my rank or higher

[kadia_seren]

Perfect World had a system like that you had multiple promotions, the top was the master, and at each step down they lost one power basically. I think the lowest spot could invite people and that was it....but then totally different game. I think just spreading the power off the guild master would help the guilds in Fiesta alot. I mean no one wants to be in a guild where the master goes crazy cause of the stress. lol

[killer_pagan]

yeah I know what you mean it's not like we want a new feature just a power of 1 rank shared by what should be an equal rank

[kadia_seren]

I mean honestly whats the point of haveing an academy master who can't ban acad members or edit the academy notice? The whole system is screwed up and I wish they would implement something to help.

[princessyfeather]

I don't know if this has been said already, Didn't read the whole thread but I think you should be able to appoint ONE other admin to be able to get into the guild storage as well..

Sucks when I am offline and or the other person that shares mastership with me and no one else can pull stuff out. BUT you should be able to take that away and give it to someone else.. imo :D

[RikoRain]

Thats why I said empower the existing groups, because it takes too much recoding and game editing to add a new group.

Since guard and council are used for nothing right now besides guild war points, then maybe guard can say, chat ban acad, ban acad, council can say, invite people and get into guild storage or something. Leave admins as is.

[drigr_x]

Kinda off-topic... Why can't we Guild Chat Ban? I mean, some people have bad days, or a day experience, and they rant and rave and sometimes I wish I could just be like "COOL OFF! *chat ban*"

[12markkram34]

Sounds like a fine idea.

[kadia_seren]

You know, the easiest solution to all these ideas is to make the acad master equal to the guild master. I mean it wouldn't take that much codeing to do, and everyone gets what they want. Except maybe promiting other members. If you want a little extra coding involved you can make what powers each person gets optional to the Guild Master.
It just makes no sense to me that the Academy master has no power over the academy, except the ablity to warp to them but I just use that as a free return scroll lmao.

[killer_pagan]

but without the power to withdraw from guild storage

[lysol_attk]

omfg hell yes, ban should atleast last 1 hour to, because some noobs keep joining back instantly.

[kadia_seren]

We had that problem with a person, he broke our academy rules and wouldn't stop so we banned him. Five minutes later he was back in pulling the same stuff, so we ended up chat banning him. So I agree that banning should last about an hour or something like that. ^^

[killer_pagan]

even though recently our guild master transfered GM to someone else I can't say the same for other guilds

[RikoRain]

Theres actually a way to get around the academy chat ban.

But the academy is another thing. Theres a guy in one of the guilds im in, in the academy. He decided to curse and spam out and stuff. Luckily an admin was on to chat ban him, but 15 minutes later he was back doing it again. When he got chat banned too they resort to whispers which is even worse.

Maybe they could add a feature where if you get banned from an academy, you cant rejoin it for like 3 days or something? I knwo they have wher eif you join one you cant leave for 1 hour.

[kadia_seren]

Or if you ban someone and they want back in they have to be invited back, Unless they were offline when the ban happened. I always feel bad for the people who get banned because they logged off for five minutes. Another good feature would to add a last day logged on or something like in the friends list it would be nice to be able to ban those who are truely inactive rather than playing this guessing game.

[killer_pagan]

Or if you ban someone and they want back in they have to be invited back, Unless they were offline when the ban happened. I always feel bad for the people who get banned because they logged off for five minutes. Another good feature would to add a last day logged on or something like in the friends list it would be nice to be able to ban those who are truely inactive rather than playing this guessing game.
yeah that would make things go smoother

[kadia_seren]

*Nod Nod* But I think this got slightly off topic lmao. ^^

[killer_pagan]

yes a little off topic but admins can ban regular members but why can't they ban academy members