Are fighters (Not tanks) really that useless?

[Saruin]

All I hear is how much better tanks are than fighters because they can take more damage etc etc.

I usually focus 75 percent on strength, 25 on endurance. Now that I'm doing Mara quests (I've only been playing for a little while) it seems I've pretty much become obsolete.

My defense isn't that bad and I always use vitality + defense tiers, but there was this one really horrible quest, no matter how many times I asked politely, clerics never healed. It's not like I wanted full attention, I just didn't want to die.

Your opinions? Is strength wasted?

[Saruin]

Yuuup....how about them cowboys...

[Tasuke]

A STR build is meant for soloing and an END build is meant for partying.
Either way, whatever build you go with is good.

And..
Mara KQ's are pretty hard if you don't have clerics healing you, even if you're a pure END tank.

[threec]

str build might be ment for soloing but its not very good to do that

but to get to the point of the thread.

are tanks better and more usefull then str fighters?

well the answer is a clear yes.

fighters with alot of endurace are needed for more then just KQ.

when you start getting around lvl 35 or so most partys are made up of 1 endurce fighter 1 cleric and a good damage dealer. ( archer or mage )

now sure you could use a 2nd fighter for a damage dealer but mages and archers are far better then a full str fighter.

now there is an answer to not being full endurace and having a bit of str.

thats the 3/1 build

3 endurace for 1 str. it works very nice.

ive lvled a fighter who was full str to 35 and a full end fighter to 31 and i have to say lvling as a full end fighter is much much easier.

[Tasuke]

When you're a higher level, you're going to wish you had STR because you'll be doing like 50 damage.

If you add +25 to STR that's (+30 damage)

So you'll be doing 80 damage all together.

But.. let's say you added it into SPR instead.

You'll be doing 50 damage, but your critical hits will be doing 100 damage.

Of course the critical damage is much higher than the STR damage, but you do 80 damage EVERY hit with the STR while with SPR, you have a +5% chance of getting a critical hit that will do 100 damage.

Your STR didn't go to waste, you just won't be able to tank very well.

[Tasuke]

The guy asked if his STR went to waste. I'm just explaining that it didn't.

He won't be able to tank too great, but he'll still be able to tank.

[threec]

well hes just now in mara Kq, if hes already having Doubt about his fighter

i would say remake the char now before you hit lvl 30 and regret your build.

[Marron_Glace]

well, i do think u have wasted ur str. I do believe that pure END will still be the best.
Ive been playing MMORPGs for half a decade now. Base on my experience. Warriors
are (not always, but most of the times) the tanker.

On all games, fighter types always have greater HP Boost. Because they are really
meant for tanking. In this game, Fiesta, if u go pure str, or at least str build. It
means u want to solo more. Because nobody wud want a str type fighter in their
team. Why? Because he dies faster.

If the tanker dies, damagers are in trouble. So why pick a str fighter when there
are END fighters every where. At lvl 20, my fighter can tank Marlone and Mara.
Im pure end, if a pure str wud do that. He or she will have a hard time.

It is a domino effect i think. Having STR fighters in ur team while doing Kingdom
quest will give the Cleric a hard time. If the STR fighter die, the boss will run after
the damagers, archers and mage, which are so frail. So having a str fighter in ur
team only means trouble.

Think, if u want to level faster, u might think its better to go pure STR. But, if u
go pure END, it will be easier to get parties on KQs. That's why END fighters can
level faster, safer and less expensive than STR fighters. STR Fighters most of the
time go mobing and consume more pots. But when END fighters go mobing they can
kill 3 or 4 yellow name monsters and just rest with out using pots.

So soloing wise and party wise, i can say that END fighters are better.

[Saruin]

Well...

I do go solo most of the time. Except for my friend who is a mage that sometimes joins me.

But I these are some good points, I've made another fighter with the opposite strengths: 75% endurance, 25% attack, hopefully it'll be slightly more usefull.

I've always been in love with strength, but if it gets you nowhere, then what's the point...

By the way...
...I'm a girl. XD

[Archaonn]

I think that Str Fighters aren't completely useless.......

They're good Off Tanks and 2nd best dpser but can't match up to the usefulness of a Tank.

[Forbin]

I think that Str Fighters aren't completely useless.......

They're good Off Tanks and 2nd best dpser but can't match up to the usefulness of a Tank.
Not even close to 2nd best in DPS. Hello, Archer? LOL

STR fighters do some decent damage, but they are still FAR from the DPS of any decent archer.

[Tasuke]

Before you suggest Saruin in remaking his character, I prefer you actually test the difference between a STR and END Fighter.

There is no way an Archer is going to out damage a STR Fighter. STR Fighters are strong, they just won't be able to tank as good as an END Fighter obviously, but that doesn't mean they're terrible at it.

[Scadel]

Pure Str > Pure End

Hybrid builds just simple suck after all that testing done.

I'm a pure str fighter and i deck almost all the pure ends i fought so far in less than a minute. or even faster if its a duel.

PLUS, pure end fighters at my level hit about, lets give them an axe and power hit, would prolly do about 300-600 dmg max on an orc, my ghey hybrid str spr build with 33 free stats on str already hits 2.3k+ crits on an orc :D

[Tasuke]

Scadel, no one's talking about how much damage you can do to an orc.

Pure STR Fighters obviously out damage pure END Fighters, but END Fighters can tank much better.

[Scadel]

i'm talking bout build vs build in pvp too. orcs are side notes :p

*goes off to eat lunch*

[lilskaterdud3]

Since when do END fighters level faster? And other than in KQs, how are they better tanks? If I'm not mistaken, the whole point of partying up is to level faster, not just dent at a mob's HP. And not very surprizingly, but I don't see how other people understand, even though you waste pots/stones like mad, you don't waste money... In a 5 person party, you get 1/5 of the drops. Where I grind drops are worth about 200s so let's say out of 100 drops, you get 20. That's only 4s, but soloing, that's 10s. Not saying you shouldn't party up, but some of those things were false in my opinion.

[Tasuke]

Pure END Fighters are better in parties because they have more defense, HP and block rate, which, a pure STR Fighter has nothing but damage.

In parties, you don't have to touch your HP stones because the cleric can heal you.

When you solo, you have to run to town every so often because you're burning pots. After you sell everything it's (drops - hp/sp stones = profit).

[Scadel]

soloing is indeed faster. <3

i can tank with my 0 end build, thats why imo end is a waste. me tanking + doing dmg = faster exp. whats the point in fighting stuff that actually kills you in 1 hit with 0 end? you'll prolly take forever to kill it too.

having more end = defence = more $ spent to heal as the time taken to kill the monster increases

having more str = kill faster = save $

// Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

[Tasuke]

As again, END Fighters aren't meant for soloing. They're meant for parties. Whether your build is STR or END as a Fighter, you will be the tank of the party. Even if you have +0 END, you're still going to have more HP than any other class.

You guys keep comparing END Fighters who solo, with STR Fighters who solo. END Fighters don't solo because they're bad at it and not meant for DPS.

Now, you can compare STR Fighters with END Fighters in parties, who's better? Obviously END Fighters are because he/she has more HP and defense and you have mages that do DPS.

There are two sides of the story, so I suggest you look at both sides, then state an opinion.

STR or END is not a waste. It's just soloing or partying.

[Scadel]

i'm a party fighter with 0 end ^^

and my party does better than with an end fighter^^

[Sighto]

As again, END Fighters aren't meant for soloing. They're meant for parties. Whether your build is STR or END as a Fighter, you will be the tank of the party. Even if you have +0 END, you're still going to have more HP than any other class.

As a full STR fighter I rarely tank in parties due to the heavier strain it puts on the cleric. Usually it's me, an end tank, a cleric, a mage, and any other class. The tank gets the mobs and I help with my aoe stun once the tank's devestate runs out. I do help with the adds that the tank may be too busy to deal with though.

[Saruin]

Before you suggest Saruin in remaking his character, I prefer you actually test the difference between a STR and END Fighter.



Just now you know, I am a girl :P

[Saruin]

I made another character, Antandre, will full endurance. It's a lot harder to die, it takes a LOT more time to level up.

She's fun during Kingdom Quests, but other than that meh...I really like my other character but people just let her die.

[Tasuke]

Just stay with your first character since you have more fun with her.

[Scadel]

You're a Fighter. Whatever build you are, you can tank. Clerics don't lose their heal just because they don't have any SPR.

Full END Fighter > full STR Fighter when tanking. The whole purpose of tanking is to take damage and keep agro. Not to deal offense, that's the job of your DPS classes. If you want high dmg, re-roll a Mage, because whatever build you play, Mages + Archers out DPS Fighters.

What level are you? At lower levels this might be true, but towards endgame, STR Fighters grow closer towards the asymptote of uselessness, as their dmg mitigation is pulled further by Mages/Archers, as well as not being able to tank safely for a group.

50+.

and i do a ton more damage than lvl 59 mages. so its good to say i'm a dps fighter lmao. it actually fully depends on what eq you have and what style you prefer to play. IMO str still > end.

[Leedles]

"Since when do END fighters level faster? And other than in KQs, how are they better tanks? If I'm not mistaken, the whole point of partying up is to level faster, not just dent at a mob's HP. And not very surprizingly, but I don't see how other people understand, even though you waste pots/stones like mad, you don't waste money... In a 5 person party, you get 1/5 of the drops. Where I grind drops are worth about 200s so let's say out of 100 drops, you get 20. That's only 4s, but soloing, that's 10s. Not saying you shouldn't party up, but some of those things were false in my opinion."

I disagree with your statement. Partying = being able to kill mobs faster. Yes, you get 1/5 of the drops - but there are more drops because you're killing more mobs. I can easily make around 30-40s (sometimes more) in a grind session with a good pt in the same 200c areas - after the cost of restoning. And partying costs less because I'm being healed rather than healing myself (I just have to use SP stones rather than SP and HP stones). Less money spent + more money earned = greater profit.


"and i do a ton more damage than lvl 59 mages."

And ... I'm sorry, but I really have a hard time believing this statement. Mages deal the most damage by far in this game. Mobs go down MUCH quicker with me (tank), a cleric, and a mage then they would with me, cleric and fighter w/full str build.


I don't know why people have issues with hybrid builds. I love my hybrid build. I can tank very effectively with a good party while dealing out some damage too. Depending on the party situation, I can use my 1hd sword/shield or my axe. Clerics can handle the damage done to me easily AND I can give that extra bit of damage that pure end fighters can't. So, it's all a matter of preference.


Onto the actual topic of the thread - no, your fighter is not useless. I would personally suggest starting to throw more into end though. It will help you stay alive in the higher levels.

And the problem with the clerics - if the cleric in your party refuses to heal you, it's time to boot them and find a different one or you drop party and find a different one. No sense in being in a party with someone who's not doing their job.

[Forbin]

i do a ton more damage than lvl 59 mages.
Boy, you sure group with some suckass mages. LOL

[Onikasu]

Well IDK about this anymore, with all the clerics trying to out-tank us with their healing crap. Just the other day I had a cleric in Slim KQ and he complained about dying and that no-one healed him other than himself. I was the only warrior there and he wanted to be the tank.

Warriors need a buff DEF wise, give them any more STR and they will out-do mages, and that wont be good, * for the mages that is =O *

so if a fighter now took 2 hits and got 45 dmage make it 4 or 3 hits for 45 damage? It would make them what they are supposed to be, Tanks. Not something that can get surpassed by a cleric wth a healing spell.

[Sighto]

STR Fighters may not be able to out-damage mages, but they still can do very comparable damage. The problem lies in the fact that few people will ever accept this.

[Sakatono]

I'll tell you right now, I can tank just fine with my 1h and +4 shield at level 54. I can even tank Minidragon in KQ, and guess what? I only have 5 end in my free stats. To say that a fighter that isn't full end can't tank is ridiculous. Just get some end rings and a shield and learn how to tank. You'll be fine if you know what your doing.

[soysauce2rice]

Besides from tanking, Fighters have debuffs, which i like casting more than buffs. High defence and HP is considered tanking i guess. They deal good DPS, but i favor debuffing mostly.

[Saruin]

In the later levels you're going to wish you had put more points into STR. ;\


Good enough for me :P

I think I'll just forget about KQ's (for now) it seems the only place I find jerks in is in the Mara ones.

I think I will go back to my old character, since I'm to lazy to restart anyway...

*

I have noticed more clerics are wanting to tank! Not that that's a bad thing, but there's shortage of clerics (compared to fighters)....

[Zaeraki]

As Tasuke told me last night. a STR/END 2:1 build CAN tank, just, you need END boosting equipment and rings, and a cleric at your side. ((Best to have a cleric that is your friend, to prevent clerics that don't heal, friends seem to take a better job at the healing and buffs than a stranger who just plain doesn't like you. ))

Noted that we won't do the tanking job AS good as a tank build, it's like the 2nd alternative. Hybrids are able to tank and deal damage, though it's one better than the other, like my STR/END 2:1 or a STR/END 1:2.

[Leedles]

STR Fighters may not be able to out-damage mages, but they still can do very comparable damage. The problem lies in the fact that few people will ever accept this.

Sighto, you're still fun to pt with, so don't worry about what other people think :) Lots of people say hybrid is bad, I still have hybrid build and am perfectly happy with it.

Having a str build fighter can be very useful in a party with a tank, cleric and two dds. Not only can they deal out damage, but they can act as secondary tank just in case things start to go wrong. Which is very nice :)


This is all a matter of personal preference. If everyone was meant to play the same old boring four characters, we wouldn't have so many choices to make in the game. Everyone would have the same build, the same weapon, etc. Of course people are going to think their way is best - it's the choice they made with their own character (and it's human nature).