Question ( may be stupid)

[MusuMith]

Hello , I have been wondering something I am sure is on some peoples minds , is it illegal to speak a language other than English in public chat and shouts? Personally I think it is / should be for these reasons

1) The game is English ( not to be arrogant)
2) Since the game is English is should be expected that everyone who plays knows English
3) How is it fair that they can shout things everyone can not understand? For all i know when someone says " El Primo es Megitto" ( made up idk if those even real words ) that they arent telling people about a glitch , cursing , selling gold , or other TOS violations? I'm sure Outspark doesn't want a report everytime they shout just to clarify what they said. Pretty soon it would turn into a form of harassment.

So to Summarize , is it illegal / should it be illegal to speak a language other than English in shouts/ public chat?

[Orchids_Mantis]

It is against teh ToS to use shout chat (and I would assume roar chat) and even post threads in a language other than English.

This is because people that monitor such chats cannot tell what is being said. OS is an English-speaking company, its employees speak English, so this is the language of the game.


You can talk to each other in another language, you can talk in parties in another language. If you talk to someone else and they ask you to speak in English, you have to speak English or stop talking, because they may feel you are trying to insult them (same with shout chat).

Is it discrimination? Not really. It's part of the Tos to this game -which you AGREE to before being allowed to play. The ToS themseleves are in Engliish, if you don't speak English, then you should not click on the "I understand and agree to the terms listed" point. Granted, they don't understand because they don't speak English...but if they don't speak English, why try to play this game, where everything is written and explained in English?


I ranted a bit, I know....I'm anticipating this thread being another "OS is racist/OS are discriminatory" thread -as the last few have been.


But the fact remains: The ToS state that the conversation in this game is to be conducted in English, and shouting in another language will be considered spamming -as will creating threads ni another language.



as to the poll...I will not answer, because I do not agree with any of the options given. Personally, I think if a person speaks in another language in normal chat, it's fine, as long as when they talk to another person and that person says "please speak English" they realize that this is a game where the vast majority of players speak English (if not as a native language then as a secondary) and do so to avoid making people becoming offended; but should not roar or shout in a language besides English.

[imeel]

lol is it really against the tos??? if they re "monitoring" only in english then they fail, because they should get bilingual people for it. This is not only a game for US or people who talk english, i think i saw a fiesta banner before and it said, " for usa, canada and mexico (or latin america i really dont remember)". I can understand the english restriction on forums for their reasons, but not in game o.o this sounds more like a discrimination, like if u travel to another country and they tell u dont speak english there or they gonna kick you from there o.o.

[drigr_x]

Rofl.

*travles to spain*
*someone in spain asks me if I speak spanish in spansh*
*they kick me out*

[joecracker]

its against forums TOS to make non english topics/threads

in game people are free to speak any language (unless they changed this) however its against rules to speak in English and any language if its swearing harassment etc etc

[spookyiness]

it shouldn't be against any rule to be able to speak any language
the forum language rule is in place as it would be unreasonable to ask the moderators to know every possible language to moderate things, so the english rule exists - most primarily an excellent reason as 90% of threads end in name calling and abuse anyway.

ingame, i think anyone should be able to speak any language they want, but to be able to PLAY the game in the first place, they should be able to at least understand english, if only for the legality reasons of following the ToS, and as the ToS also requires that a GM can contact any player in game and they must be able to respond to questions (to prove they aren't a bot, before we start the afk vending argument again), it is reasonable to expect all players to know enough english to get by

but to refuse people to speak any language isn't a good thing - and frankly, very few of the english players in the game actually speak english, terrible grammar, worse spelling, too many acronyms that they just don't sense anymore, semi-phonetic words in a vague attempt to appear "cool", amongst many other variations

[Orchids_Mantis]

lol is it really against the tos??? if they re "monitoring" only in english then they fail, because they should get bilingual people for it. This is not only a game for US or people who talk english, i think i saw a fiesta banner before and it said, " for usa, canada and mexico (or latin america i really dont remember)". I can understand the english restriction on forums for their reasons, but not in game o.o this sounds more like a discrimination, like if u travel to another country and they tell u dont speak english there or they gonna kick you from there o.o.

They have the rights to NA; it's available in many regions. If they got any biligual workers then they'd have to get hexta-lingua-caoable employees because they have more than just English and Spanish-native-speakers in the game, thus only having people to monitor English and Spanish would be discriminatory..


Also, as was said in my first post, since the vast majority of the people in the regions that the game is available in speak English as a first or second language, since OS is an American -and thus English-speaking- company, the Tos when made stated that the language of the game was English.

Yes, you can speak another language in whisper, party and normal chat; but on the forums and in shouts it is considered spam. Furthermore (as to my understanding based off of the last few pf these threads) if you can speak English -which is needed to understand the ToS that you must agree to in order to play (and this is for any internet download game, so it's not like they don't know it says "I agree to and understand the terms stated") and you speak to someone else in another language and they ask you to stop talking to them in that language; you should stop, because it is considered spam and the person could -depending on circumstances- think you are insulting them.

[ras-blackfire]

if they would ban everyone speaking other langauge, fiesta would get empty DX

and most ppl just talk english ;o ofc when im with my bf i sometimes speak my own langauge (mostly normale/party/wihsper)

[biskywhisky]

I think it's ok to speak any language, but there have been situations I have partied with two people who just spoke to each other in their language while I healed, and I had no idea what they were saying as I don't speak it. They knew I didn't know, so was it fair to me?

I think you can speak any language as long as your not excluding/offending others.
I've read some cases on the forums when people are bashing the people in their guild/friend list in their language while the person they are bashing is right next to them and has no idea what they are saying.

[yaseeda]

Your should not speak other language beside english in shout/roar... All rest chats ok. And reason why you should not use non english in shout/roar is exactly as written b4, players may think that you harrasing them and report you.
I doubt anybody wants it, I myself speak 2 languages but use non english just for whisper or for party, and when I see somebody shout spamming in different language I usually remind them that they should use proper language in world chat :D

[Baktwerel]

It's not 'illegal' just forbidden/not allowed in general. I am Hungarian and I respect this rule. Whenever a new Hunagrian player appears and we start to talk, I quickly move the talk to whisper or party chat to not bother others on that map. Other than that I communicate in English at public chats/the forums.

[Asheer]

Not this subject again... >.<

I hope this thread will be quickly lock to avoid another flame war.

[Orchids_Mantis]

baktwerel (off topic, I know...but that's probably good for this topic): what program did you use to make your sig? It looks like you may have drawn them by hand and scanned, but the coloring looks like that was a paint program

[MusuMith]

Not this subject again... >.<

I hope this thread will be quickly lock to avoid another flame war.


As i said i only mean PUBLIC and SHOUTS. This is not a war of " they should only speak english. But in public and shout they should speak a language everyone can understand.

[mulberry]

There is nothing in the ToS requiring people to use only English in-game.

Forums are English-only so that the Moderators can monitor threads and posts.

That said, I feel it is inconsiderate to speak in a language that other people cannot understand when there is an alternative. For this reason, I believe that it is best for speakers of foreign languages to utilize English for Roars and Shouts.

[KatieElisa]

I find it fun and interesting when I make friends from all over the world that have a primary language other than English. I learn a little something about their culture and maybe pick up a few words. But real friends don't exclude you or will ask if it's ok if they talk to their other friend in their language.

I do find it rather disconcerting when someone carries on a conversation in a language I don't understand for several minutes. As someone else pointed out, how do I know that they're not breaking the ToS in some way? They could be cussing each other out or having some kind of inappropriately sexual chat right in front of everyone.

Does the filter block cuss words in other languages? If not, wouldn't using those in chat be a form of masking inappropriate words in an attempt to cheat the filter?

LOL, I see OS coming up with a simple solution on their end, making regular chat difficult on our end. That is to use a predetermined dictionary of words for the game. Anything not in the dictionary would be blocked. It'd take some getting used to, but it'd solve some of the bot/chat abuse. Not my idea of fun, either.

[Asheer]

As i said i only mean PUBLIC and SHOUTS. This is not a war of " they should only speak english. But in public and shout they should speak a language everyone can understand.

Tell me how you will react if you enter for example French restaurant and waiter tells you "Please be advised that inside you can only speak in French language because majority of our guests understand only French."... would you turn on and leave?

When comes to forum it was common agreement (achieved after heavy flame war and threats of legal actions against Outspark) that english should be only language used here however reached under promise from staff side that those restrictions WILL NOT BE EXTENDED ON GAME ITSELF... catch is that this was in early of 2008 and from that time we already have 4 generation of staff members so such promise could be rather hard to prove now.

Some might bring Korean fiesta as example where using english in game is banable offence but they can do this because of IP block every other than Korea areas so until Outspark will limit access to fiesta to his licensed listed countries any attempt of ban non english languages from open chats might be interpreted as language based Discrimination,and by the way lets not forget that for many Mexicans or Canadians (to staying in licensed cover areas) english is not first language so forced them so speak in language which they might known in very basic way might bring worse effects as letting them use thier native language.

I still hope that day when Outspark start banning people for using other as english language in open chats never come and for all supporters of this sick idea i want to say one more thing.

There are other languages on this world as well and until UN or any other organization will not made english as ONE ONLY global universal language every other non english speakers have same right to use thier native languages no matter what circumstances are surround them.


I seriously hope that this is last time when this topic comeback to life at this forum.

[Asheer]

@mulberry

There is no difference if we talk about roars or shouts or regular chats...
How long time will pass assuming that such restrictions will be enacted when rise another group and start demanding that non english languages will be banned from rest of the chats maybe except whisper?

And believe me or not but there were in past suggestions to limited non english languages to whisper only and once Outspark will give green light for one restriction very quick will be forced to restrict every other open chats because some people here are too paranoid over things which they don't understand and because of this aren't able to "control"...

[MusuMith]

My point is how do i know someone speaking Spanish or whatever isn't telling someone " Hey did you hear about this bug that lets you get free sparkcash items " or something like that? In whispers its different because you can do that in English if they understand it , and then they can be reported. However in Public chat ( everyone can hear ) , Shout ( everyone can here ) and server shouts ( literally everyone on hears) is it fair that people are not expected to understand a shout in french , spanish , etc? No it is not. People are however expected to understand English to play this game , so in Public chat , Shouts , and Server Shouts it is expected people understand things said in English.

[MusuMith]

Oh forgot to comment on the person asking if other language cursing is blocked , it is not , I took time and grabbed a translator to translate some Spanish , French , and a few other languages i heard over the course of a week and my results were

4 F bombs
5 Sexual References
and a few other foul words that i will no mention

[KatieElisa]

Not this subject again... >.<

I hope this thread will be quickly lock to avoid another flame war.

I haven't seen anyone getting out of line yet. Locking a thread before anything happens is just as 'discriminatory' as your stand that banning other languages would be. I'm not for banning other languages, but if people choose to use them, there should also be a filter for those other languages for bad and inappropriate language. But I can see that would be a difficult if not impossible task.


Tell me how you will react if you enter for example French restaurant and waiter tells you "Please be advised that inside you can only speak in French language because majority of our guests understand only French."... would you turn on and leave?

When comes to forum it was common agreement (achieved after heavy flame war and threats of legal actions against Outspark) that english should be only language used here however reached under promise from staff side that those restrictions WILL NOT BE EXTENDED ON GAME ITSELF... catch is that this was in early of 2008 and from that time we already have 4 generation of staff members so such promise could be rather hard to prove now.

Some might bring Korean fiesta as example where using english in game is banable offence but they can do this because of IP block every other than Korea areas so until Outspark will limit access to fiesta to his licensed listed countries any attempt of ban non english languages from open chats might be interpreted as language based Discrimination,and by the way lets not forget that for many Mexicans or Canadians (to staying in licensed cover areas) english is not first language so forced them so speak in language which they might known in very basic way might bring worse effects as letting them use thier native language.

I still hope that day when Outspark start banning people for using other as english language in open chats never come and for all supporters of this sick idea i want to say one more thing.

There are other languages on this world as well and until UN or any other organization will not made english as ONE ONLY global universal language every other non english speakers have same right to use thier native languages no matter what circumstances are surround them.


I seriously hope that this is last time when this topic comeback to life at this forum.

For your restaurant analogy, I would go in with the understanding that only French is spoken. If it is the restaurant's policy that people not enter that don't speak French, that's their prerogative seeing as they own the rights to that business. They may choose whom they wish to serve. I would not want to be somewhere I could not participate in the conversation and I would go find a different restaurant.

Referencing another thread or agreement without posting the link means we just have to take your word for it. It’s very helpful if you can back up your arguments with links to what you are referencing. The only thing that Outspark says about language is in Section 1, Part D, of their Terms of Service:

d) You may not use any unlawful, threatening, abusive, obscene, harmful, defamatory, vulgar, harassing, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any other player, in any language as deemed inappropriate by support personnel. The availability of a profanity/language filter is not to grant permission or license to use such language in any form.

I don't think this thread was started as a personal attack against non-English speaking people. Maybe things could have been worded differently, but the OP simply asked if non-English chat should be limited to party and whisper. She did not say that anyone not speaking English be banned from the game.


@mulberry

There is no difference if we talk about roars or shouts or regular chats...
How long time will pass assuming that such restrictions will be enacted when rise another group and start demanding that non english languages will be banned from rest of the chats maybe except whisper?

And believe me or not but there were in past suggestions to limited non english languages to whisper only and once Outspark will give green light for one restriction very quick will be forced to restrict every other open chats because some people here are too paranoid over things which they don't understand and because of this aren't able to "control"...

No one is denying you the right to speak your language. What comes into question is what's being said in another language. Maybe it's being paranoid, but how do you feel if someone keeps saying your name but you don't know what they're saying about you? Is it not considered bad manners to talk about someone that way?

Maybe I should just ‘trust’ that everything said in another language is on the up and up, but I’ve been in this game too long to know that won’t always be true. So then we go to adding non-English cuss words and sexual references to the existing filter. Maybe someone could suggest to OS those words that should be added to the filter?

I love my non-English friends. They speak Spanish, German, Hindi, Filipino, and many other languages. I want them to enjoy Fiesta as much as I do. They speak English with me and their respective languages with others. I have no problem with that. But why must my language be filtered and not others?

[Asheer]

I haven't seen anyone getting out of line yet. Locking a thread before anything happens is just as 'discriminatory' as your stand that banning other languages would be. I'm not for banning other languages, but if people choose to use them, there should also be a filter for those other languages for bad and inappropriate language. But I can see that would be a difficult if not impossible task.

^
My post based on past experience but you are correct that so far this thread is more or less flame free

For your restaurant analogy, I would go in with the understanding that only French is spoken. If it is the restaurant's policy that people not enter that don't speak French, that's their prerogative seeing as they own the rights to that business. They may choose whom they wish to serve. I would not want to be somewhere I could not participate in the conversation and I would go find a different restaurant.

^
That's one scenario but other is that client of such restaurant might sue such restaurant over limiting his freedom of choice by demanding something what could be not possible to execute.

Referencing another thread or agreement without posting the link means we just have to take your word for it. It’s very helpful if you can back up your arguments with links to what you are referencing. The only thing that Outspark says about language is in Section 1, Part D, of their Terms of Service:

d) You may not use any unlawful, threatening, abusive, obscene, harmful, defamatory, vulgar, harassing, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any other player, in any language as deemed inappropriate by support personnel. The availability of a profanity/language filter is not to grant permission or license to use such language in any form.

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Like i say those promise was made in early 2008 and right now will be very hard to prove, honestly i doubt that even Sking (as last staff member from that time period) can remember this.

I don't think this thread was started as a personal attack against non-English speaking people. Maybe things could have been worded differently, but the OP simply asked if non-English chat should be limited to party and whisper. She did not say that anyone not speaking English be banned from the game.

^
True, but this is touchy subject which can easy be derailed on to another anti non english speakers war, however there is a little contradiction here.
OP asked about possibility of restrict of non english languages from shout and roar to party(but even this can be questionable)/whisper chats however unless you apply along side whit such restrictions harsh penalty system (including ban possibility) such restrictions will remain dead words ignored by players... but that's point where legal concerns are appear.

No one is denying you the right to speak your language. What comes into question is what's being said in another language. Maybe it's being paranoid, but how do you feel if someone keeps saying your name but you don't know what they're saying about you? Is it not considered bad manners to talk about someone that way?

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Like i posted once in other thread about similar topic, you are not forced to party whit non english players and honestly it's easy to guess are they speak english or not.
About second paragraph... i understand your concerns because they are legitimate however there are ways to learn what they talk about (screenshot, translate what they say via online translator and in worst case send report whit screen and translation (staff can confirm that translation as well)) or simply ask them (via whisper) to stop under reporting threat.

Maybe I should just ‘trust’ that everything said in another language is on the up and up, but I’ve been in this game too long to know that won’t always be true. So then we go to adding non-English cuss words and sexual references to the existing filter. Maybe someone could suggest to OS those words that should be added to the filter?

^
Little awarenes is always good thing when comes to Online world and there is no 100% trust here because you don't known who sit on the other side of the cable unless you meet that person in real world but about non english filter... as much as should be add (that's out of any question) such endavour is almost impossible because every "registered" world languages have full variety of cussings and foul languages because except english language there are no other universal cussings and that's is easier for MMO companies to apply english chat filter which sometimes have more holes as swiss cheese :rolleyes: but in major cases works as even try to filter words using for example by latino speakers or european language speakers.
By the way there are as well situations where words from one language are adapted in other language as foul words so as you see creation of universal chat filter is more difficult as anybody can imagine.

I love my non-English friends. They speak Spanish, German, Hindi, Filipino, and many other languages. I want them to enjoy Fiesta as much as I do. They speak English with me and their respective languages with others. I have no problem with that. But why must my language be filtered and not others?

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Look at my reply above for answer, and on the other hand i must say from my personal experience that fiesta (both game and forum) help me to greatly improve my writen english (i known that i still made many mistakes but before that he was on similar level as Egyptian's hieroglyphs :D) and for that i will be always gratefull for Outspark and i of course agree that common sense should tells that miniority should adapt (by her own free will however) to majority and because this is english game then at least try to speak in english in order to avoid such confusions like lays at reasons for creating this thread but i known as well that asking for "law forced" behavior against non english speakers might create more problems as gains not only because of of possible accusation of Outspark over language discrimination but creating bigger rift between english and non english speakers in fiesta and that's something what is right now last needed in this game.

Like teacher of my sister told once "Once you lay first brick before you realize you will faced full size wall between you and people you want to separate even if this was not your primary intention." and that's why before any such proposal will be issued every pros and cons should be very carefully reconsider to avoid any missunderstandings in this very difficult and delicate situation.

Replys in bold.

[Shadowic2]

As long as this thread stays civil and flame-free, it will not be closed.

And to the topic at hand.

Users can speak other languages other than English in-game as the game caters to a global audience. The only things that can get one in trouble for speaking other languages in-game is if they are saying something inappropriate, in that case they can be reported just like someone who may have done the same speaking English.

We only ask that users speak English when posting on the forums or when speaking with a Staff member so that proper moderation and help can be utilized.

[KatieElisa]

I used to play another online game before Fiesta that utilized a dictionary rather than a filter for it's chat. Anything not in the dictionary was not allowed to be said. Now, that game was geared toward a little bit younger age group, but sometimes it may be simpler to show what can be said versus what can't be or shouldn't be said. That might take more effort than just adapting the filter, though.

I do have a Spanish to English translator bookmarked on my PC which has helped me on several occasions. It's sometimes difficult to keep up with the chat when switching screens and typing in unfamiliar words to find out what's being said.

[MusuMith]

As long as this thread stays civil and flame-free, it will not be closed.

And to the topic at hand.

Users can speak other languages other than English in-game as the game caters to a global audience. The only things that can get one in trouble for speaking other languages in-game is if they are saying something inappropriate, in that case they can be reported just like someone who may have done the same speaking English.

We only ask that users speak English when posting on the forums or when speaking with a Staff member so that proper moderation and help can be utilized.

Not to argue with you but two issues

1) How do I know what they are saying? It is expected everyone KNOW English to play , so in theory they should know what I am saying , however I do not know what they are saying
2) How is it fair that a staff members can say " speak english to me " but not make them speak english to others? Personally i do not believe its fair to only have them speak English to Staff.
Its not like I am saying " hey no speaking your native/ primary language" All I am saying is that in chats everyone can hear , it should be expected everyone can understand you

By your response ( no offense ) it sounds like you want me to report them everytime for foul language ( thus harassing them and submitting false reports).

[blacksilks]

Not to argue with you but two issues

1) How do I know what they are saying? It is expected everyone KNOW English to play , so in theory they should know what I am saying , however I do not know what they are saying
2) How is it fair that a staff members can say " speak english to me " but not make them speak english to others? Personally i do not believe its fair to only have them speak English to Staff.
Its not like I am saying " hey no speaking your native/ primary language" All I am saying is that in chats everyone can hear , it should be expected everyone can understand you

By your response ( no offense ) it sounds like you want me to report them everytime for foul language ( thus harassing them and submitting false reports).

While walking down the street you are talkign to you spanish friend in spanish. Suddenly someone come up to u and says you have to move omewhere else, stay quiet and get the hell out of here because ur NOT speaking english. Or, to make it more clear to u: You come to portugal (MY example so I take MY home for it) and you speak english to me! :eek: NO! You get have to fly back, you get put in jail, you get sued whatever. The point is. General chat, as in the one where u dont put a / to be seen, party chat and whispers should NOT be illegal. It's censor of a language a restriction to your freedom of speech. Taken in the most literal sense of the word speech, as in tongue. It is an insult to your language culture, land, birthright. Because saying don't talk your own tongue normally is exactly that. Shout/rawrs are something different. There is no point to shouting something that noone understand and we go from the principle that it's prolly not gonna b something good and nice. They prolly arent talking about butterflies and rainbows. It is an intrusion into your own freedom, and like a philosofer once said, you freedom ends where the other ones starts. Shout does just that since it IS intrusive on your screen. Yet I do not think it should be made illegal becase, after all, you can either 1. block the person as I have done multiple times, 2. switch chats, 3. kindly ask them to move the conversation into privat/guild/party chat.

Roars are something completly different. You can't block these. But recently there was a thread about the inability to block roars, so I won't restart t.

To your point 2) they have the right to ask the involved persons to speak english since the staff, aparently, ONLY speaks english, thus, if they don't understand what the involved persons ar saying they can't offer their help thus creating more drama then necessary. Threads are exactly the same thing. But YOU don't "have the right" and I choose these words carefully, to do and ENFORCE this, and EXPECT them to it and turn it legel just because u want it, due to the fact you don't have to interact with these people. As I said, block and move on. They bother you? ignore, the block button is an awesome feature on fiesta.

[Orchids_Mantis]

Based on some of the examples that have been given of people being oppressed by "limiting their freedoms", I think their may be a misunderstanding of what most of the people agreeing mean.

They aren't saying "We walk down the streets of Elderine and everyone we walk past speaking another language must speak English while we are around them," I think what is meant is "Assune that since OS and Fiesta are English-based games that the person YOU walk up to speaks English" -unless you already know them.

If the person YOU engage in conversation with shows they wish to speak in English, respect them that or find another conversation partner.

If you speak another language in normal chat with someone -that's fine, all people have to do to get away from it if they don't understand is walk a ways out (whispers is not intrusive at all, guild chat...well hopefully you are on good terms with people in your guild, and party chat is only heard by people in the party).

However, if your non-English conversation brings up names of people around you -and those people a) are not in the conversation, or b) are in the English part of your conversation and don't know what you are saying, then switch to English -it's the common language of this game and it is rude, mean and in general disrespectful to the person you are talking about to speak in front of them in a language they don't understand.

Shouts and roars, since they are seen by everyone, should be in the game's common language. Since, as was just stated, everyone can see them, they should be in a language everyone (okay...not everyone...some people loaded Fiesta having no idea what anything said, but the vast majority are able to read the ToS, forums and quest lists, etc) is able to understand.



I'm not trying to be discriminatory, I'm not saying "Get out if you don't speak my language." I'm trying to say "show respect for people that you bring into your copnversation by speaking in a way they understand. English is the common language of this game; use it when addressing people when you don't know what language they speak, or when addressing an entire map of people.

[caliab]

Your should not speak other language beside english in shout/roar... All rest chats ok. And reason why you should not use non english in shout/roar is exactly as written b4, players may think that you harrasing them and report you.
I doubt anybody wants it, I myself speak 2 languages but use non english just for whisper or for party, and when I see somebody shout spamming in different language I usually remind them that they should use proper language in world chat :D

"world chat" :D been playing other games? hehehe

Wrong to shout in another language? If it isn't spammed no. I normal chat? definitely not.

[mulberry]

Main Entry: 1cour·te·sy
Pronunciation: \ˈkər-tə-sē, British also ˈkȯr-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural cour·te·sies
Etymology: Middle English corteisie, from Anglo-French curteisie, from curteis
Date: 13th century
1 a : courteous behavior b : a courteous act or expression
2 a : general allowance despite facts : indulgence <hills called mountains by courtesy only> b : consideration, cooperation, and generosity in providing something (as a gift or privilege); also : agency, means —used chiefly in the phrases through the courtesy of or by courtesy of or sometimes simply courtesy of

If we all show a little courtesy, and do not constantly Roar and Shout in languages that neither the OS staff nor other players can understand, then we will not ever have to worry about having foreign languages banned from Fiesta.

The day the OS Staff loses the ability to moderate in-game due to language problems is the day we all lose the ability to share other languages with our friends. Let's just avoid the problem, and not let things get out of control.

[blacksilks]

Based on some of the examples that have been given of people being oppressed by "limiting their freedoms", I think their may be a misunderstanding of what most of the people agreeing mean.

They aren't saying "We walk down the streets of Elderine and everyone we walk past speaking another language must speak English while we are around them," I think what is meant is "Assune that since OS and Fiesta are English-based games that the person YOU walk up to speaks English" -unless you already know them.

If the person YOU engage in conversation with shows they wish to speak in English, respect them that or find another conversation partner.

If you speak another language in normal chat with someone -that's fine, all people have to do to get away from it if they don't understand is walk a ways out (whispers is not intrusive at all, guild chat...well hopefully you are on good terms with people in your guild, and party chat is only heard by people in the party).

However, if your non-English conversation brings up names of people around you -and those people a) are not in the conversation, or b) are in the English part of your conversation and don't know what you are saying, then switch to English -it's the common language of this game and it is rude, mean and in general disrespectful to the person you are talking about to speak in front of them in a language they don't understand.

Shouts and roars, since they are seen by everyone, should be in the game's common language. Since, as was just stated, everyone can see them, they should be in a language everyone (okay...not everyone...some people loaded Fiesta having no idea what anything said, but the vast majority are able to read the ToS, forums and quest lists, etc) is able to understand.



I'm not trying to be discriminatory, I'm not saying "Get out if you don't speak my language." I'm trying to say "show respect for people that you bring into your copnversation by speaking in a way they understand. English is the common language of this game; use it when addressing people when you don't know what language they speak, or when addressing an entire map of people.

Well, I've just heard people commenting that it should be banned from normal chat too, and that's generally what I'm opposing to. Plus I also don't believe it should be banned from shout since you CAN ignore/block that person, even if it IS intrusive to your own freedom. Anyways shouts in foreign languages are rare as far as I can see, on apoline at least.

[byron007]

Lol, stupid indeed.

[MusuMith]

Legel that aren't so rare , especially in Eld. , I will agree that my public chat argument is a bit weak , but shouts( even blockable) and server shouts should be in english. How do I know they aren't saying " Hey everyone the lvl 8x archer in a Sakura outfit over there is a bot , spam report them" , as said before it should be expected they speak the games common language.

[imeel]

lol thats why 90% of the people IG do, because is the common language, people just talk his own languague when they re talking to friends of their same country (because its easier), you are taking it too seriusly o.o maybe thats why it sounds stupid...