Pay us back.

[queensquishers]

IF you are going to get a MASS DC when people who are mobbing and grinding, and LOSE 2 million+ exp because of the mass DC, THEN you should pay us back,

[HeroX71]

agreed xp boost to all by 200% do it nao lol

[queensquishers]

I would prefer at least giving my back my 2 friggen mil i just lost, since they BARELY do exp boosts anymore

[NightRyda]

From TOS:

You acknowledge that (i) Outspark will not be held liable for any loss of Outspark Member data resulting from server maintenance, spot maintenance or any other downtime event; (ii) Outspark will not be held liable for a user's inability to access paid services during any such downtime event; and (iii) Outspark will not be held liable for any delay or failure to operate the Outspark Services resulting from causes outside the reasonable control of Outspark, including without limitation any failure to perform hereunder due to unforeseen circumstances or causes beyond Outspark's control such as acts of God, war, terrorism, riots, embargoes, acts of civil or military authorities, fire, floods, accidents, strikes, or shortages of transportation facilities, fuel, energy, labor or materials.

[queensquishers]

Like I give a crap what the ToS says right now.

[thatruthrnr270]

Yeah they need to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mindspank]

Sorry buddy. These things happen. If you are AOEing/mass mobbing, 2million exp wont take too long to get back. On another note...

If there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, why are "Acts of God" covered under the TOS then? There would have to be irrefutable proof that god exists for that coverage in the TOS to even be valid. Unless they meant "Natural disasters", to which they could have simply stated "Natural Disasters". Now if one of the flaming sword wielding angel guards to the garden of eden lobbed his scimitar and blew up the outspark building, then I could understand this as being a logical inclusion.

Lollercoaster @ outsparks legal department

[queensquishers]

Um not really. I don't buy exp boosts.

[Jandalyn]

If there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, why are "Acts of God" covered under the TOS then? There would have to be irrefutable proof that god exists for that coverage in the TOS to even be valid.

Because what you quoted has to do with government not a private business.

[bigj3234]

@OP: That sucks, but stuff happens. I'm sure they'd just tell you to buy BoT lol.

@Mindspank: there is separation of church and state, but, like Jandalyn said, OS is not the state they are a private business and do not have to separate church from anything.

[queensquishers]

Why would i spend money to support this game when they don't fix anything?

[joecracker]

what happened?

[lilkitty1021]

- You don't have to "spend money to support the game.".
- They fix things every week, feel free to check the patch notes.
- Accidents happen, go figure. That's why there's a Terms of Services.

[queensquishers]

LOL that's why the 20 bug has been bugged for almost 3 maints?
And lvl 30 dungeon quest for around the same.

[Mindspank]

So you are saying that if someone sued, using the act of god line, and took it to the supreme court, it still is in the hands of a private business?

Last I checked, the supreme court is run by the country. an individual court is run by.....

The state. So then an "Act of God" is a redundant coverage. In more ways than one.

[queensquishers]

They add more things before they fix old things.

[lilkitty1021]

LOL that's why the 20 bug has been bugged for almost 3 maints?
And lvl 30 dungeon quest for around the same.

It takes time to fix a bug, not just the push of a button.
New content is important in order to follow seasons and to keep the content active.
They don't neglect bugs either.

[tempacc]

So you are saying that if someone sued, using the act of god line, and took it to the supreme court, it still is in the hands of a private business?

Last I checked, the supreme court is run by the country. an individual court is run by.....

The state. So then an "Act of God" is a redundant coverage. In more ways than one.

Why is this guy randomly ranting about "separation of church and state" in a thread asking for someone's exp to be compensated?

[queensquishers]

Not really. A lvl 6x instance is not important, level 6x is easy enough. If they are going to waste their time with adding things, add more quests to the 9x

[Mindspank]

Because compensation of his EXP is as ridiculous as a debate about the separation of church and state.

NEITHER is going to happen. So I would suggest that the time spent asking for his exp back be spent getting his exp back.

Not to mention removal of liability from "Acts of God" is just funny to me.

[queensquishers]

She* And I know they won't, They could at least give exp boost like the older GMs did.

[Mindspank]

Back when exp boosts were common, the game population was roughly 10% of what it is now, and I do not believe there were exp boost items in the cash shop, so yeah back then, they were a lot more common.

Now, however, is not then. A service wide exp boost for a marginally small exp loss is not justified. You can make 2million pretty quickly with some effort.

[queensquishers]

Dude, back then, the GMs cared. And who cares if they are in stores? Not everyone buys sc.
There have also been a number of people complaining of mass server lags after a couple maintenance ago, and EXP boost could be a way to repay them.

[Mindspank]

Dude, the GM's care right now too.

If they didn't care, you would still be running on closed beta files, with a mega tricked out cash shop and a cap of 150, with no quests after 59. Outspark would have 5 employees, all driving seriously expensive Italian sports cars, and riding jet packs to work. I seriously suggest you re-examine your definition of "caring".

Their reluctance to add a service wide exp boost because you lost 2 million exp, does not mean they don't care.

Looking at the timestamps on these posts, you could have been spending the better part of this hour getting your exp back. Had you partied with the right people, you might have even gotten it back and then some by now.

[queensquishers]

All the GMs care about now is making money, that's why they decreased the success rate of enhancing since they made jewelry enhancable, and +10 items. So you have to pay more to get more perfects. So they probably driving even better cars. And 9x + hardly have any quests.

I can forum and play at the same time. And a LOT of people lost exp. And a lot of people have died due to server lags.

[queensquishers]

But think what you will, whatever. KQ over, so have to focus more. GMs need to fix things before adding more things to get bugged.

[Mindspank]

Yes. I have to listen to the lecture from the guy who is too scared to post on his main account, about how many quests come after 9x. Did you lose that 2 million exp mobbing slimes?

When I started playing this game, I blew up countless bows getting to +3. COUNTLESS.

Now, a lot of people have great success up to +6 without perfects on level 2 and sometimes level 3 items.

There have been changes to the enhancement system, but not in the way you think. The nine months I spent in korea, I played Kfiesta and believe me, ours is easier. Take what you get. No need to bite the hand that feeds you.

[queensquishers]

And you must be daft seeing as I have corrected you in the fact that I am not a guy. And I used this account because it was the one I was logged into. You commented on MY forum post, so I have the right to rebuttal. Also, my friend, she is a really GOOD enhancer, even noticed that the success rate has dropped. and T1-T2 items are always easy, just less now. and T3 and T4 are harder then before. And ours is easier be Korean's are smarter, so their game was probably just too hard for you.

Also, my main is not on my "main" profile, so not like it makes a difference.

[Mindspank]

So then by your logic, I should have spent 50+ dollars on my helgait and 25 dollars on my kingdom quest blue?

Sadly enough, that is not how it works. It all boils down to luck. Your friend can never be really good at anything if it is almost completely luck driven. I had terrible luck when I tried to enhance my KQ blue bow. I then spent the same amount of money I spent on that ONE bow to enhance a 90BK and a helgait.

There is no logic in luck. Nobody is a good enhancer, they just got lucky. When you can completely understand this, you too can become a good enhancer, because you will know when to stop when your luck is going bad.

[Lukasz_Lucky]

GM's do their best to make the game enjoyable for everyone. They can't fix a bug each time they can unless it's major and disrupts the whole game play like the Crystal Castle Quest bug. It's OnsOnSoft who sends patches to OS to do a maintenance and insert everything. Also, if you didn't knew, they don't only run Fiesta but many other games. Before, there was only Fiesta and the SoS came out so they had to split their times on each. Disconnections happen sometimes but you have to live with it.

[Mindspank]

Cannot expect them to compensate you for something that might not be outsparks fault.

If a backbone goes down between you and outspark, your client has to find a new route. That break in connection will cause a disconnect. If you lived on the east coast, its possible that a lot of people would suffer the same outage because they were routing through the same backbone. So while it LOOKS like a mass disconnect, it's actually not.

Why should they pay you if a mid western internet traffic backbone decides to take a dump?

There are a number of reasons why this happened. voicing your displeasure then griping about a payment solution is not a good way to get your point across.

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[queensquishers]

Yeah it looks like it seeing how like over half the server dc

[drigr_x]

I had a SEVERE bout of server lag last night. Like for a grand total 10 minutes (which is when I stopped paying attention and went to sleep). I had JUST T3 scrolled (including a T3 speed scroll, 90s on my server). Thankfully, I have a friend that got tired of me complaining about loosing exp and gifted me a Teva 1.5 weeks ago. But RIGHT after T3'ing I began grinding/doing my Navar lic, I screen freeze and go into panic "spam pots/stones/EVERYTHING mode and everything catches up 30 secs later with me eating the floor. Did I complain? No. Well not to OS about refunding my scroll money. I just ranted at my guild for 5 minutes (well with the 2 other people that were on) and set up a shop for the night, being smart enough to realize that I can't grind like this. So really, if you d/c and die (yes, I've had THAT happen to me too, without Teva), just log back on (or don't even log in again for the day) and cool yourself down. Do something without risking your exp.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Sorry, but OS not gonna recover ur exp just because u or anyone else disconnet a lot because of lagg or anything else that make u disconnect. Also if u don't care about the ToS rules, why u still play? :D

One more thing, blame the developper that didn't correct the bugs and glitches faster, not Outspark that is a publisher. :rolleyes:

[FatalLace]

Sorry buddy. These things happen. If you are AOEing/mass mobbing, 2million exp wont take too long to get back. On another note...

If there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, why are "Acts of God" covered under the TOS then? There would have to be irrefutable proof that god exists for that coverage in the TOS to even be valid. Unless they meant "Natural disasters", to which they could have simply stated "Natural Disasters". Now if one of the flaming sword wielding angel guards to the garden of eden lobbed his scimitar and blew up the outspark building, then I could understand this as being a logical inclusion.

Lollercoaster @ outsparks legal department

go read a property insurance document, construction contract, etc, "Acts of God" is pretty much always mentioned. it's not as uncommon as u think.

[drigr_x]

I could see "Acts of God" being in those kind of documents being because people who ARE religious can play/buy/etc and this prevents them from saying "God made me sick, I couldn't play, REFUND!"

[Mindspank]

So if "Act of God" is a plausible contingency defense, that would mean god exists.

I am suing god because I have bad luck, and I am ugly then. Hey, if companies can defend against it, I can use it in another angle to sue right? I want more money. What about that internet money, yeah. Give me some of THAT money.

[OLdirtdog]

i think i remember an exp boost after a server crash, but that was a long time ago when the server notices were helpful information for new players instead of flash sale announcements.

a long time ago indeed.

[FatalLace]

So if "Act of God" is a plausible contingency defense, that would mean god exists.

I am suing god because I have bad luck, and I am ugly then. Hey, if companies can defend against it, I can use it in another angle to sue right? I want more money. What about that internet money, yeah. Give me some of THAT money.

yeah, good luck with that =)

i heard he doesn't answer his voicemail.

and i don't think the term necessarily gives creedence to His existence, more that there are events that are completely unforseen and way beyond anyone's control.

[drigr_x]

So if "Act of God" is a plausible contingency defense, that would mean god exists.

I am suing god because I have bad luck, and I am ugly then. Hey, if companies can defend against it, I can use it in another angle to sue right? I want more money. What about that internet money, yeah. Give me some of THAT money.
Why exactly do you care? Are you so anti-christian (in a country founded by primarily christians) that one little phrase in the ToS bothers you THIS much?

Yes, I know. I'm a hypocrite because I am offended that certain words in other languages that can be used offensively pas through our filters. But at least I'm thinking of the word used in English in and English based country/game (Just cause I know you like to pick at my trolling without saying I know I am and would probably point out my own hypocrasy)

[Celtic_Princess]

Not to mention removal of liability from "Acts of God" is just funny to me.


The phrase "Act of God" in most legal documents refers to any circumstance beyond human control. Typically, this can refer to anything as big as a natural disaster, or as small as a tree limb falling on a power line and knocking the power out.

The idea of separation of church and state is to keep government and religious operations seperate. It refers to the idea that the government will be secular (not specific to any one religion) while each individual has the right to practice whatever religious belief they hold. The germ "God" does not refer to one specific religious faction...but many. As such, it is considered an acceptable term.

....Now, since i'm totally off topic:

Whether you 'care' about what the terms of service states at this point in time or not, it is still a legally binding document that you acknowledged and agreed to upon creating an account. Both on your main account, and your recently made alternate account.

[Mindspank]

Some of you people are so quick to flame me, that you overlook the possibility that I was making a joke, and I only do this to watch people who fail to understand this whine and cry. Now that I made drigr cry, I can leave.

I only mentioned the whole god thing as flame bait to derail the thread away from the preposterous proposition the OP was stating, under the argument that debating about gods legal existence was about as moot as asking for compensation of his exp. If you at one point thought I was serious, larf on you. Thank you to everyone, who totally fell for it, and provided me with minutes of entertainment. Yeah, that's about all you're worth. Bye.

[drigr_x]

Some of you people are so quick to flame me, that you overlook the possibility that I was making a joke, and I only do this to watch people who fail to understand this whine and cry. Now that I made drigr cry, I can leave.

I only mentioned the whole god thing as flame bait to derail the thread away from the preposterous proposition the OP was stating, under the argument that debating about gods legal existence was about as moot as asking for compensation of his exp. If you at one point thought I was serious, larf on you. Thank you to everyone, who totally fell for it, and provided me with minutes of entertainment. Yeah, that's about all you're worth. Bye.
Roflmao. "Made me cry" are you THAT egotisitcal that you think your words harm me? No. And after admtting you were purposely derailing the thread and using us as "entertainment" (yeah, I'm sure the CLs LOVE being told they are worth no more than a few minutes of "fun"), I wonder how easy it will be for you to remain posting in the future ;D

[Kendrah]

"Act of God" is the correct legal term and has nothing to do with the "seperation of church and state". That's what it's called when things happen that are out of the control of someone. This is a very common term. Get used to it.

[queensquishers]

Sorry, but OS not gonna recover ur exp just because u or anyone else disconnet a lot because of lagg or anything else that make u disconnect. Also if u don't care about the ToS rules, why u still play? :D

One more thing, blame the developper that didn't correct the bugs and glitches faster, not Outspark that is a publisher. :rolleyes:

Did you happen to read the post of me saying that i KNEW they weren't going to give it back.

[Mindspank]

Yay kendrah came late to the party. You missed the punch and cookies. I suggest you take the bandwagon home, the parties over sweetheart.


"Roflmao. "Made me cry" are you THAT egotisitcal that you think your words harm me? No. And after admtting you were purposely derailing the thread and using us as "entertainment" (yeah, I'm sure the CLs LOVE being told they are worth no more than a few minutes of "fun"), I wonder how easy it will be for you to remain posting in the future ;D"

It's all in good fun for me. You, however, have a history of getting hurt, and responding violently to the things you read. (You made an entire argument about the spanish word for the color "Black") I am not being egotistical, I am simply going off of your pattern of behavior. A lot of people see "Mindspank" and their brain says "Flame". As you are no doubt aware of, a lot of this is my fault, and I recognize this fact. That statement alone, makes me a lot less egotistical than you presume I am. I suggest you get to know me before you attempt to judge the size of my ego.

This entire thread was fun for me, as I often come to the forums for the amusement I get by providing a slight static charge to others who think their opinions are so righteous and important, that nobody can possibly argue with them. I love to debate and poke holes in other peoples beliefs, I also love it when people complain about my comments, when they fail to realize that as soon as you click submit, and I read it, you are fair game. It's a public forum, with topics submitted for public approval. You are going to get a variety of comments/topics/discussions you might like, and that you might not. I also acknowledge that I am bound by these same rules.

I suggest you learn to recognize the people that do it for fun, and the people that do it because they are offended. Nothing wrong with a little troll on troll action, but you sir, are over the line.

Mark it a zero. Donnie, you're up.

[queensquishers]

Haha, have fun arguing you all.

~Peace ;)

[SweetLavender]

pay you back with what is what I must ask? lol. why do people blame Outspark for everything? I STUBBED MY TOE DAMN YOU OUTSPARK D:<

but putting that aside, you DID agree to the ToS when you made this account. must we make you people sign by blood now? to get it through your obviously thick heads that you are bound by a contract? too many people here sign up thinking that the ToS is just a little page there written to be there as a wall ornament. then when you go breaking the rules, you wonder what you did wrong and why you got punished when the answer is clearly written in there.

seriously people who sign up and say the ToS isn't all that important and that you won't follow the rules just ticks me off >.> why don't you go breaking the law in the real world and see where that gets you

[fantinee]

IF you are going to get a MASS DC when people who are mobbing and grinding, and LOSE 2 million+ exp because of the mass DC, THEN you should pay us back,

That happened to me twice. Within the last month I was d/c'd twice in AR while grinding at level 102. Both times I lost between 2% and 3%. It happens. Move on. It would be nice if they did something about it but I know nothing will happen from OS.

[lordalden]

Here, let's do something fun with this whole "I'm going to flame you and troll you" and the whole "I know you are flaming/trolling so I'm going to do it right back" thing and put this out there, seeing as I know I've made my thoughts on the matter present specifically at the two of you in the past. If you do it again, you're going to take a 3 day vacation so that you learn that these forums are not your personal flaming/trolling grounds. If that doesn't do any good, we can keep ramping it up. I'm skipping the warning phase here because this isn't the first time it's come up.

With any luck, it'll be the last time.

[shawnpm810]

Those of you arguing about usless exp loss need to grow up. IT IS A GAME!
The joy of playing a game is for sole entertainment purposes.

Now, if say, OS were to litterally hold everyone responsible for say someone hacking into their servers and (This Is Entirely Random) giving everyone they know 10 gems...i would be litterally ticked off if they took all my money away. BUT odds of this happening are astronomical. So...in turn to your delema about EXP loss from a server D/C....SHUT IT!
ITS
A
GAME!

[CCL225]

She* And I know they won't, They could at least give exp boost like the older GMs did.


Did you happen to read the post of me saying that i KNEW they weren't going to give it back.

is that the post u were referring to??? lol.....it doesnt look that way though =D

anyway, funny thread...my POV, agree with ToS and continue playing, or disagree with it and continue complaining....haha.....

I agree that it's just a game >.> but then again, if I have not been playing alot, I would be irritated if I played on that day, and it's a rollback/exp lost. However, it's going to be just a passing feeling.

there's quite a number of non-related topics too:
1) some people talked about fixes and patches, I agree that before they can fix things up, they are adding new things. I would like to show some contradiction around in the community. Some people complained that there are lvl20 tower, lvl85 tomb, but there's not a single mid-level tower/tomb, thus they came out with lvl60 castle. Some other people complained that the housing system they talked about for ages have yet to appear, many others complained that the fixes are not done, some complained that the classes are not well enough, some complains that lvl9x are pretty badly done due to no quests....etc etc etc....think for yourself....if u are asking so much from this group of GMs(namely about 5-6) who are already trying their best to give you what you want, isnt it nice to actually appreciating them???? yes, they only GIVE you ONE out of so many things you asked for, but you know it all takes time. Didnt they agree on the housing system coming up next??? of course, they can only give you what is easier. coming up with castle is easier than fixing a bug since they had done towers before. They have only 16hours a day......how many things can they do at once????

2) I saw comparison of old GM and new GM....During the time of old GM, they have lesser database to handle. Back at that time, how many people are there complaining about this and that??? everything is directed at GMs...but there are alot of things beyond their control due to segregation of work.....also like someone else said, the population back then is 10% of today and another said, there's only 3 games(he/she forgot bread and butter) back then.......

*sorry for bringing this back up*

[TheCentrix]

Like I give a crap what the ToS says right now.

Well you should. It's your contract lol

[leobaloy]

IF you are going to get a MASS DC when people who are mobbing and grinding, and LOSE 2 million+ exp because of the mass DC, THEN you should pay us back,

OS would say, to buy BoT.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh133/leobaloy/screenshot142.jpg
And its just exp. Its not the end of the world.

[always7777]

OS would say, to buy BoT.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh133/leobaloy/screenshot142.jpg
And its just exp. Its not the end of the world.

LOL epic screen ;[ that would like get me up 2 lvls right now lol

[kennenpro]

Lols its pretty sad to lose all these exp. But i won't cry about it. Life is full of hope~