2 Fiesta's 1 Computer

[tipogyvas]

Hello every1 , i got a new good idea that i bet everybody woud want. Fiesta can only be run one time in a computer, coud OS,GM's... Make that fiesta coud work 2 times at one computer. Its realy usefull! example with one account your leveling, with other selling stuff. Like when im always at the friend for the night. we argue who leaves the store for the night >.<. Woud be realy great if we coud leave bouth stores. and its realy usefull for every1 who has a good computer. I woud love to get what people thinks about this too <3

[devin_nicolai]

What an original idea. :rolleyes:

[DarkSlasher]

On windows, just make a second “guest” account and switch between the two, you can have Fiesta running on both of them.

[tipogyvas]

Ty DarkSlasher ill try later when my Fiesta is working again later, good help <3

[Moxxie]

What's your computer's specs anyway?

[Asheer]

2 accounts on 1 comp = Multiclienting and that's something what is NO GO in all MMO world (might cost you all accounts if you will be detected).
Beside X-Trap will not allow you (unless you edit some files what's as well bannable) to run two clients on one comp.

And about switching between windows accounts... might work but crash of one of the clients might be rather "unhealthy" for whole OS and might end in necessity of reinstallation of entire OS from the beginning.

[drigr_x]

An Auction House tyep system would solve both problems and let you turn you computer OFF for the night..

[xtiffersx]

2 accounts on 1 comp = Multiclienting and that's something what is NO GO in all MMO world (might cost you all accounts if you will be detected).
Beside X-Trap will not allow you (unless you edit some files what's as well bannable) to run two clients on one comp.

And about switching between windows accounts... might work but crash of one of the clients might be rather "unhealthy" for whole OS and might end in necessity of reinstallation of entire OS from the beginning.

i was thinking it was against ToS but decided not to say anything in case i was wrong! however i do believe you are correct.


An Auction House tyep system would solve both problems and let you turn you computer OFF for the night..

you sound JUST like the guy who first introduced me to this game xD (who doesn't play anymore due to WoW taking over his life >.>)

[marolexpert]

<3 this idea^^

[tipogyvas]

So youre saying i better dont try that cause i can get problems? :O

[axelwrath]

It could be a good idea BUT!, then you'll have the servers packed with people, towns would be laggy as fk and the result being people with lower computer specs and lower inet conection that cant enjoy the game, which is probably why is illegal in many mmorpgs.
Thought i like the idea since i dont own 2 computers..i cant just be selfigh now can i? >.<

[gunnedreaper]

Hello every1 , i got a new good idea that i bet everybody woud want. Fiesta can only be run one time in a computer, coud OS,GM's... Make that fiesta coud work 2 times at one computer. Its realy usefull! example with one account your leveling, with other selling stuff. Like when im always at the friend for the night. we argue who leaves the store for the night >.<. Woud be realy great if we coud leave bouth stores. and its realy usefull for every1 who has a good computer. I woud love to get what people thinks about this too <3

sorry to interupt but why cant i download this game???it says the games not ready yet?
dazed n confused.................:confused:

[tipogyvas]

It could be a good idea BUT!, then you'll have the servers packed with people, towns would be laggy as fk and the result being people with lower computer specs and lower inet conection that cant enjoy the game, which is probably why is illegal in many mmorpgs.
Thought i like the idea since i dont own 2 computers..i cant just be selfigh now can i? >.<

Probably need a good Computer realy good with good internet, >.<

[marolexpert]

It could be a good idea BUT!, then you'll have the servers packed with people, towns would be laggy as fk and the result being people with lower computer specs and lower inet conection that cant enjoy the game, which is probably why is illegal in many mmorpgs.
Thought i like the idea since i dont own 2 computers..i cant just be selfigh now can i? >.<

Dude,i extremely agree with you...yeah,I love the idea,but just like axel say,the town would be laggy and this is not fair for people who have low internet connection.

[Dthugtherealist]

It doesn't make a difference to be honest theirs people with 2 comps that use one account for selling and one account for lvling all the time. I think you should be alowed to run two clients on one comp especially if your comp can handle it. Its either that or like Drig or many people including my self have been saying is for Fiesta to have an auction house.

[DarkSlasher]

Sorry if it might be against the ToS, I didn't know – I just heard about it from a friend of mine, but have never actually tried this...

[Asheer]

Auction House is a good idea (raises here since i remember) and i known that this could work fine.
But 2 clients on one comp?... no, Outspark (or any other MMO company) will never gives green light for this because of high risk of abuse such possibility.

Edit: Like i posted earlier 2 accounts on one comp is treated as multiclienting and that's is against ToS and of course penalized whit perma ban (at least in theory).
But you can run two accounts at two comps (for example 1 acc at PC and other at lagtop ^^) without any risk.
Beside still remain X-Trap as blocker of such multiclienting and only way to bypass him is file edit what is as well bannable.

But like i say, this looks pretty in theory... and what's reality is completely different story.

[marolexpert]

Yup,auction house is a great idea...Its make easier thing for us especially searching for weps...It also can take little time than we search every vend...

[TheCentrix]

They block multiclienting for a reason. Ever thought about that? -.-

The only way that doesn't violate the TOS or breaks your Windows is having 2 computers/laptops and play on them. The reason why having 2 comps is allowed is because it might as well be your brother/sister playing on the other computer.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

To the OP

Read the ToS rules, use multiple clients at the same time on the same computer is against the rules and can cause all ur accounts termination, which ending u perma-banned.

[Mindspank]

"The only way that doesn't violate the TOS or breaks your Windows is having 2 computers/laptops and play on them."

Wrong.

Virtual Machine.

A virtual machine, while being run on the same pc, is actually a different computer but running in a virtual environment. Before you attempt to rebuke this, ask yourself if you have ever run a virtual machine before. If you have, you would know that I am right.

While being run on one PC, when a virtual machine connects to your network, it get's it's own IP leased by your routers DHCP table. Which means that the only thing the GMs/CSRs see is multiple users on one network, because that's what the server sees. All the traffic routed to the virtual machine belongs TO that machine, because the network adapter created for the virtual machine has it's own MAC address. It has it's own IP, unique from your machine. So in essence, it is an entirely seperate entity.

The only problem you run into with a VM is that fiesta was not designed to run in a virtual environment, and will even give you an error stating such. However there are configurations for VMs that will allow you to bypass this. It does not require editing Xtrap or fiesta files, but configuration files for the virtual machine.

However, because of the ammount of knowledge that is required to use this method, it is highly impractical.

[phreakshot]

I'd feel sorry for your pc running 2 fiestas. Think about your machine please. :(

[tipogyvas]

Well if its against ToS then idk O.O its realy usefull for vending shops, u get more time to level then and double money D:

[TheCentrix]

Wrong.

Virtual Machine.

A virtual machine, while being run on the same pc, is actually a different computer but running in a virtual environment. Before you attempt to rebuke this, ask yourself if you have ever run a virtual machine before. If you have, you would know that I am right.

While being run on one PC, when a virtual machine connects to your network, it get's it's own IP leased by your routers DHCP table. Which means that the only thing the GMs/CSRs see is multiple users on one network, because that's what the server sees. All the traffic routed to the virtual machine belongs TO that machine, because the network adapter created for the virtual machine has it's own MAC address. It has it's own IP, unique from your machine. So in essence, it is an entirely seperate entity.

The only problem you run into with a VM is that fiesta was not designed to run in a virtual environment, and will even give you an error stating such. However there are configurations for VMs that will allow you to bypass this. It does not require editing Xtrap or fiesta files, but configuration files for the virtual machine.

However, because of the ammount of knowledge that is required to use this method, it is highly impractical.

Ofcourse there are more ways than the 2 I spoke of, but like you said, they are impractical and, in my opinion, not really worth mentioning.

[millnub]

I think the biggest benefit is partying nubs to get a free exp boost in grinding

[GSL2007]

Dual client are prohibited for security reason.

[eolsunder]

yes this has been suggested before, that we need to change the ingame housing merchants into a easier trading system.

If you had a ingame "auction" trading menu, basically when you want to sell or buy something, you would access a trading menu where you could put your items in with prices. And someone looking to buy something could access the menu from each town.

Benefits..

1) No need to be on when trading. This would eliminate all the elderine house clutter with items, you wouldn't need houses for holding stock (they could still get benefits with the new menu with extra slots, etc).

2) Saved bandwidth. With people not being on to sell stuff, you would save both bandwith and use on both the server and client side of the equasion. Would save people electricity from having to be in merchant-shop all day/night, would save the host servers bandwith and usage.

3) You would be able to search trading inventory much faster and easier having a menu that includes everyone. You wouldn't have to visit each house, you could just scroll down and see each persons menu. You could also search the inventory for specific items, say if you were looking for HP tier 3 you could list only those merchants with such items, and price. A good system would allow you to view merchants based on price, type of item, what ever.

[link8265]

yes this has been suggested before, that we need to change the ingame housing merchants into a easier trading system.

If you had a ingame "auction" trading menu, basically when you want to sell or buy something, you would access a trading menu where you could put your items in with prices. And someone looking to buy something could access the menu from each town.

Benefits..

1) No need to be on when trading. This would eliminate all the elderine house clutter with items, you wouldn't need houses for holding stock (they could still get benefits with the new menu with extra slots, etc).

2) Saved bandwidth. With people not being on to sell stuff, you would save both bandwith and use on both the server and client side of the equasion. Would save people electricity from having to be in merchant-shop all day/night, would save the host servers bandwith and usage.

3) You would be able to search trading inventory much faster and easier having a menu that includes everyone. You wouldn't have to visit each house, you could just scroll down and see each persons menu. You could also search the inventory for specific items, say if you were looking for HP tier 3 you could list only those merchants with such items, and price. A good system would allow you to view merchants based on price, type of item, what ever.

yes thsi works great on that one game :D called runescape why cant it be done in this game?... itd be AWSOME

[xogeley]

The Windows thing doesn't work.. the game runs as a fiesta.bin Process that'll show up on all accounts. If a fiesta.bin process is running for me even if I dc/crash whatever, I have to cancel it in order to log in again.
Just vend overnight geez

[Dthugtherealist]

yes thsi works great on that one game :D called runescape why cant it be done in this game?... itd be AWSOME

From what my friends tell me tho that games works on a universal trading system so their is a set price for everything. Here there is no set price so if they make an auction house it shoudn't have a set price.

[sally1234345]

I like this idea
but I have a strange feeling that supper laggy awaits lol @@"

[marolexpert]

yes this has been suggested before, that we need to change the ingame housing merchants into a easier trading system.

If you had a ingame "auction" trading menu, basically when you want to sell or buy something, you would access a trading menu where you could put your items in with prices. And someone looking to buy something could access the menu from each town.

Benefits..

1) No need to be on when trading. This would eliminate all the elderine house clutter with items, you wouldn't need houses for holding stock (they could still get benefits with the new menu with extra slots, etc).

2) Saved bandwidth. With people not being on to sell stuff, you would save both bandwith and use on both the server and client side of the equasion. Would save people electricity from having to be in merchant-shop all day/night, would save the host servers bandwith and usage.

3) You would be able to search trading inventory much faster and easier having a menu that includes everyone. You wouldn't have to visit each house, you could just scroll down and see each persons menu. You could also search the inventory for specific items, say if you were looking for HP tier 3 you could list only those merchants with such items, and price. A good system would allow you to view merchants based on price, type of item, what ever.

uh huh..a game call Archlord also use this system...and its awesome^^

[tipogyvas]

Maybe theres a lagg but think :P
2 accounts = 2 stores for the night =D!
isnt that great? ;D

[xogeley]

have you ever been on youtube and fiesta at the same time? I can imagine it being that laggy. How do you expect to level with teleport lag? Hmmm

[grummin]

isnt that great? ;D

Oh yeah, great...like there's not already enough howling about lag without people trying to run the game twice on systems that can barely handle running it once.

*thumbs down*

[thalegend7695]

Lol. Make a new user-account for windows. Log on fiesta for both, and there. No "hacking" is required, not against ToS, is legal, and x-trap does NOT detect it.

[Ian]

Actually, I don't believe that's allowed either:


n) You may not leave an Outspark Account logged into the Outspark Service while unattended via either a software applications or physical object(s). If your Outspark Game persona is performing an action of any kind, you must be able to respond to an Outspark representative if approached.

[thalegend7695]

Oh yeah, great...like there's not already enough howling about lag without people trying to run the game twice on systems that can barely handle running it once.

*thumbs down*
I don't lag at all and I always ahve fiesta, gunz, windows media player, skype call, xfire, msn, teamview, msi afterburner, steam,and anti virus program running at same time, and if Im dling something, Flash Get xD. And I don't lag 1 bit.

Actually, I don't believe that's allowed either:

Uhm. You know it takes about 5-10 secs to switch between user accounts? So you CAN reply. And you aren't able to move both accs at once, but u can have one on follow, resting, vending etc while your on other one.

[DarkSlasher]

Lol. Make a new user-account for windows. Log on fiesta for both, and there. No "hacking" is required, not against ToS, is legal, and x-trap does NOT detect it.

Yeah, I talked about that windows thing on this thread and people said it was against the ToS. ;~; But I don't think so, you can very well have your brother playing on one account then while he's away you log on to your account on a different windows-user.

[grummin]

I don't lag at all and I always ahve fiesta, gunz, windows media player, skype call, xfire, msn, teamview, msi afterburner, steam,and anti virus program running at same time, and if Im dling something, Flash Get xD. And I don't lag 1 bit.

Oh. Well nevermind then. Since you've got a beast of a system and I do too, obviously nobody else would have any problems either. :rolleyes:

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

I think Ian just answer the OP question, it is against the rules.

[Ian]

actually, i don't believe that's allowed either:

uhm. You know it takes about 5-10 secs to switch between user accounts? So you can reply. And you aren't able to move both accs at once, but u can have one on follow, resting, vending etc while your on other one.

reference:

n) you may not leave an outspark account logged into the outspark service while unattended via either a software applications or physical object(s). If your outspark game persona is performing an action of any kind, you must be able to respond to an outspark representative if approached.

Just because you can switch users doesn't mean you are not leaving the other account unattended. I believe the "via software application" in this case would be the separation between user accounts on Windows. ;) Either way, you're still trying to work around the game's programming to disallow multi-clienting.

I didn't write these terms, so if you're still confused, it's best to visit http://support.outspark.com and click on "Contact a CSR".

[DarkSlasher]

“You may not leave an outspark account logged into the outspark service while unattended...”
According to the ToS, you aren't allowed to vend while being AFK...? o.o;

[thalegend7695]

reference:

Just because you can switch users doesn't mean you are not leaving the other account unattended. I believe the "via software application" in this case would be the separation between user accounts on Windows. ;) Either way, you're still trying to work around the game's programming to disallow multi-clienting.

I didn't write these terms, so if you're still confused, it's best to visit http://support.outspark.com and click on "Contact a CSR".

"via software application" is botting.... it's not multi-clienting, seperate user accounts. And k then I ban all for vending rofl.

[Ian]

I suppose you could count a bot, but deep down you should know what's right and wrong. Multi-Clienting is just running more than one client, regardless of who is logged in. Like I said before, if you really want a better answer, contact a CSR. :)

[twoeyedblackcat]

I have more than 1 person in my house who wants to play, but only 1 computer. So what do we do, can we make a seperate acct. for them or what?

[draeei]

"via software application" is botting.... it's not multi-clienting, seperate user accounts. And k then I ban all for vending rofl.


reference:

Just because you can switch users doesn't mean you are not leaving the other account unattended. I believe the "via software application" in this case would be the separation between user accounts on Windows. ;) Either way, you're still trying to work around the game's programming to disallow multi-clienting.

I didn't write these terms, so if you're still confused, it's best to visit http://support.outspark.com and click on "Contact a CSR".

With all of the gold spamming bots around, I don't think Outspark would care if we're using two accounts at once.

But if it involved Sparkcash, they would jump on it in a flash. That goes for anything.. lol.

Fiesta is too much of a resource hog for me to do that anyway.

[guadalcanal_infantry]

you can use 2 computers for 2 accounts, but not one...
tell me, why?
i don't wanna hear "because we said so"
actually think about the question. there is no difference besides the number of computers being used

"but guadalcanal, it's the modifying of files that's against the rules"

then why can we modify skins?
those are files with a specific rule saying it's ok to modify.

just do the same for multi-clienting

[hamsterfest]

Necro... Please look at the dates on the threads you dig up before posting on them (unless you're the OP.) You can't post stuff on threads that are older than a month e.e'

[guadalcanal_infantry]

don't bash someone for using the search function, eh

[Gizuma]

just casue u used the search doesn't mean u are suppose to necro its only good for reading :p
and Inb4lock :p

[guadalcanal_infantry]

what's the difference between posting in an old thread and starting a brand new thread if you plan to post the exact same thing?

[phreakshot]

what's the difference between posting in an old thread and starting a brand new thread if you plan to post the exact same thing?

fourm rules say not to necro. if you feel the need to post on a necro thread, don't, just make a new one with something new to the table.

[pokemon4955]

Someone answer this..how is using more than 2 Fiesta client on 1 computer be against the ToS?
Eh...it's not like its account sharing or anything, ._."
You guys (os) are being ridiculous, why would ban someone for using more than 2 Fiesta client on the same computer?They are not doing anything illegal that interferes another player's playing._.""..

[guadalcanal_infantry]

^^^^^ exactly

[hamsterfest]

don't bash someone for using the search function, eh

I never bashed anyone for using the search function; please read. All I bashed them for was posting on a necro thread. These threads are usually are so outdated that you might as well make a new thread if you can't find the answer you're looking for. Especially if you feel the need to post on it and bring it to the front page where it doesn't belong. So there :)

[Kyo_Sama]

Someone answer this..how is using more than 2 Fiesta client on 1 computer be against the ToS?
Eh...it's not like its account sharing or anything, ._."
You guys (os) are being ridiculous, why would ban someone for using more than 2 Fiesta client on the same computer?They are not doing anything illegal that interferes another player's playing._.""..

I never really understood it myself. I guess its just to promote a level playing field or something

[Shadowic2]

Please do not Necro-Post.

If you are searching threads for a specific topic and can only find old threads, you're more than welcome to create a new one and make references to the older ones if need be.

As for running two Fiesta accounts on the same computer, this is something that the client actually will not allow on standard computers. So finding a work around for it would involve manipulating the game in order for it to work on an every day, standard computer. That's why it's not allowed.

-Closed-