Non-Sparkcash Server?

[puddingownsyou]

I've had this idea for a while now, and I know others have wanted this as well. A server where you are not able to use sparkcash items

Just think back to when OB first opened (I can't say CB because I wasn't here yet ^^ ), there was no sparkcash, and you know what? People were a LOT nicer to each other. No one complained about so and so being charmed. No one could be upset that they didn't have enough real-life money to keep up with others in the game. SC is what started MOST of the drama in our Fiesta lives today.

Everytime I log on Fiesta, there's always more people arguing about things that, in my opinion, are just pointless. And do you know how they're doing it? Roars, an SC item. So basically whatever they're arguing about becomes everyone's problem, which personally, puts me in a bad mood as well. If those certain people would be smart and take it to whisper, maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but if you have the money, why not use it -- right?

I think having a server where no SC existed would bring life back into Fiestans, and perhaps even the Forums. It would show the people who truly know how to play their character, rather than just flaunt off that new extender and go, "lul noob u suck bcuz i own u with my godly hp" and the works. . .

People at Outspark, I really think this would be a GREAT thing to do, but I know money runs the world, so it is probably not possible. No, I don't know how much it costs to run a server, I'm a noob like that. But please if it is ever remotely possible, please, please consider this.

To all others, please do not flame, you may tell me why you disagree though. I am all ears :)

"How would we Helga Raid and stuff?" I don't know, guess we'd find out, huh? ~

[ras-blackfire]

Just no

No SC means that OS wont get any money... For a whole server that cost lots of money...
so no wont happen xD

[puddingownsyou]

I see, well it's always worth a try x3

[zoey199]

Well.. They gotta make the server break even somehow...So.. Maybe if they made a Pay to Play server with no sc... But... yea unlikely.

[grummin]

No, it's really not worth a try...unless this "non-SC server" were a P2P server.

Otherwise, you'd have OS jacking up SC prices to pay for a server which generates no income whatsoever, with everyone who buys SC (No matter how much or how little) aggravated that their money is being used to pay for a "freeloader server" rather than to improve the service and experience they're paying for.

[puddingownsyou]

Thanks for the responces, just want to know what everyone thinks ^^

Edit: Oh sorry, wasn't clear enough, I meant it's worth a try asking xD

[TheCentrix]

Yeah it would be really expensive for them to open a free server. Gameservers cost a lot. Im not sure if they have to pay OnsOn more for each server they open (I hope not LOL) but if so that would be even more devastating to their bankaccount hehe

[standalonecomplex]

I'd love for them to do that so i could get away from all the ( * use any swear word you want here*) spark cash users from ruining the fun for this PERM FREE player.
but they won't because they won't make money, there won't be war for which stupidly high amounts of spark cash is bought to prove that they are better... ( better at wasting real money).
hmm i'll stop there but i could go on



In summary non-sc server = no profit for outspark = NEVER EVER IN THE NEXT 30 year EVER GOING TO HAPPEN
that is all lol

[devjin1]

Well people could still buy SC items because if you gift it to one account then every character on the account has the access to the Premium Item inventory in any server if it isn't taken out. So that is a problem..

[Dthugtherealist]

I honestly don't think they could make a P2P server capable of having everything F2P provides. They'd either have to do a voucher system which probably still woudn't work unless they lowered the cash shop cost or make it so you payed 50$ a month and they made a system where you can buy CS items with in game money. Another thing they could do would be to amp up everybodys armor, weps, HP and crit they could receive so its like their charmed/extendered/using crit suits all the time but I think that would be too complicated.

If they did make a P2P server with such benefits I think the people that have been paying for the cash shop should get some free P2P server player like if you spent 50$ get one month to play on the P2P servers and so and so forth but OS would seriously lose money anyway you try to do it.

[grummin]

I honestly don't think they could make a P2P server capable of having everything F2P provides. They'd either have to do a voucher system which probably still woudn't work unless they lowered the cash shop cost or make it so you payed 50$ a month and they made a system where you can buy CS items with in game money. Another thing they could do would be to amp up everybodys armor, weps, HP and crit they could receive so its like their charmed/extendered/using crit suits all the time but I think that would be too complicated.

And this all relates to doing a non-SC server with no SC items how?


I think having a server where no SC existed would bring life back into Fiestans, and perhaps even the Forums. It would show the people who truly know how to play their character, rather than just flaunt off that new extender and go, "lul noob u suck bcuz i own u with my godly hp" and the works. . .

Looks to me like the OP's point wasn't so much the SC, but the imbalancing items and "uberwallet" players. Wouldn't trying to add those items in, minus the SC itself, sort of defeat the purpose?

[pokemon4955]

Having a server where no SC existed would bring life back into Fiestans, . It would show the people who truly know how to play their character, rather than just flaunt off that new extender and go, "

lmfao i agree with u jen <3 D: most people wont even know how to play their char without sc lulx

[SweetLavender]

I think 6 servers is enough for Outspark to be able to handle atm. I do agree that a sc-free server would be too costly.

[Dthugtherealist]

And this all relates to doing a non-SC server with no SC items how?
Looks to me like the OP's point wasn't so much the SC, but the imbalancing items and "uberwallet" players. Wouldn't trying to add those items in, minus the SC itself, sort of defeat the purpose?

I only said that because unless OS decides to nerf the monsters for such a server very very very very very very few people would make it past 9x. They could also add in where when you go to PvP the bonuses stop and when you come out the bonuses kick in again. Again when it comes down to such things I think about how it affects PvE and then how we can easily remedy this for PvP. Of course my ideas would take lots of work and be a very complex system but it would have to be honestly.


I honestly don't think they could make a P2P server capable of having everything F2P provides.

Re Read this also and you will seem to get my point.

[globule]

I think most of the drama arises due to the mix of PVP and CashShop charms/extenders.
As everyone else, I do not think the CashShop can be removed as it is what pays the bills.

However you could have a non-PVP server [no abyss, no FBZ, Guilds are no-war only, no PVP KQ, no kill points leaderboard, ...].

Agreed that several players will not be interested [as several do apreciate the PVP aspect], but you would have your 'less-drama' server.

[grummin]

I only said that because unless OS decides to nerf the monsters for such a server very very very very very very few people would make it past 9x. They could also add in where when you go to PvP the bonuses stop and when you come out the bonuses kick in again. Again when it comes down to such things I think about how it affects PvE and then how we can easily remedy this for PvP. Of course my ideas would take lots of work and be a very complex system but it would have to be honestly.

Ah, okay...I get it now, at first I was just going "Er...removing the items you're adding was the plan, so....?" Whoops. :)

[Dthugtherealist]

Ah, okay...I get it now, at first I was just going "Er...removing the items you're adding was the plan, so....?" Whoops. :)

Yea lol I mean you gotta be honest you need CS items to get to 100 one way or another no matter what anybody says. So the server has got to be like 200% easier without SC or theres gotta be some form of SC to help push them up a bit or else it won't work tbh.

[drigr_x]

Well if EVERYONE has it, then it might as well be like NO ONE has it. So even if all they did was make a server with all SC items on all the time it would work.

[biskywhisky]

I would like this kind of server, just to escape the drama. But, my opinion of what causes drama causes alot of debate, so I won't go into it fully.

If this server came out, I would be prepared to pay a small monthly fee but it would have to be 100% NO SC, but you would need more perks to it, like 30% more HP as standard for higher levels.

[Dthugtherealist]

Well if EVERYONE has it, then it might as well be like NO ONE has it. So even if all they did was make a server with all SC items on all the time it would work.

Yea but like I said there gonna have to either make it P2P with a voucher system where you pay 50$ and get to choose all sorts of items from the store for mad cheap or pay 50$ and be able to buy all the CS stuff in game from a npc. Then they'd have to drop the prices of the stuff in the Store by a huge amount so people that still wanna play but wanna be able to buy SC items and not have to be P2P players would still get benefits. All I can say is its gonna be extremely costly to pull off such a system cuz OS would lose a huge amount of money.

[sk8r_dude]

I say make a time limit on the server (If you ever make one), where you can only be on the server for like... 2-3 hours a day.

I doubt people would complain about that, seeing as how there's no SC items that they "Could be using" in the rest of the day.

Leveling would be kinda slow that way, though.
In essence:

Pros:
1) No SC, less drama(?)
2) People learn to play their class better(?)
3) people meet new people from different servers.

Cons:
1) No $$$$$$$$$ for Os and OOS
2) limited play time, limited leveling.
3) Thinking not many people would join (At first)
4) would have to be P2P.







Yeah, that's not happening.

[girlmeetsgun]

Between all the servers that OS supports now, I think an SC-free server shouldn't be such a problem. I think it's a great idea. I know it's like comparing KMart to Macy's, but that game Runescape is free, but people who want to use the extended servers pay five bucks a month. Why can't they do something like that instead of using SC? Really? I know it's a money-maker- but seriously, all the people that play the game and ARE good players but can't afford SC are getting screwed because other charmed players are just taking advantage of it. And yes, this does cause drama mainly in PvP. Take away charms and most of these players are useless lumps of lards that couldn't do anything on their own.

I think a free server is possible, if OS really wanted to do something for the "lower middle-class" player. Especially those of us that don't live with our parents and have bills to pay. It's bad enough prices were jacked up on most items.

I think we need to start a petition to get a free server for those of us who don't want to deal with SC. Even if they have to downgrade the graphics or whatever. At least give it a try.

[Dthugtherealist]

Between all the servers that OS supports now, I think an SC-free server shouldn't be such a problem. I think it's a great idea. I know it's like comparing KMart to Macy's, but that game Runescape is free, but people who want to use the extended servers pay five bucks a month. Why can't they do something like that instead of using SC? Really? I know it's a money-maker- but seriously, all the people that play the game and ARE good players but can't afford SC are getting screwed because other charmed players are just taking advantage of it. And yes, this does cause drama mainly in PvP. Take away charms and most of these players are useless lumps of lards that couldn't do anything on their own.

I think a free server is possible, if OS really wanted to do something for the "lower middle-class" player. Especially those of us that don't live with our parents and have bills to pay. It's bad enough prices were jacked up on most items.

I think we need to start a petition to get a free server for those of us who don't want to deal with SC. Even if they have to downgrade the graphics or whatever. At least give it a try.

It would be extremely hard to deal with, no SC means no +9's/10's even if your full +9 with a +10 without SC in 9x lvls the game is pretty demanding I could imagine without any SC whatsoever. They'd have to bring the game down to a lvl where you woudn't need SC at all to do anything so they would need to nerf the monsters up the drop rate on the bosses and boost the exp.

[Baktwerel]

Pros:
1) No SC, less drama(?)
2) People learn to play their class better(?)
3) people meet new people from different servers.

Cons:
1) No $$$$$$$$$ for Os and OOS
2) limited play time, limited leveling.
3) Thinking not many people would join (At first)
4) would have to be P2P.
Yeah, that's not happening.


Well, look at the bright side:

Everyone would know each other and only fun players would be there. PKers/walletmonsters would rather spend their money on SC than pay to play at a non SC server where they wouldn't have uber items.

And as much fun it sounds like, I'm afraid it won't ever happen due to what the others said about the server costs. Maybe if there would be a big interest and people would actually pay for it, but I'm sure there wouldn't be enough of them.

[princeofcats.]

I haven't really been following this thread and I'm not sure if it has already beed suggested but a Non-SC Free Battle Zone? There players can show off their true skills and abilities without being outweighed by SC items.

Sorry if this has already been suggested, I thought I'd just throw it out there.

Prince.

[TheCentrix]

I say make a time limit on the server (If you ever make one), where you can only be on the server for like... 2-3 hours a day.

I doubt people would complain about that, seeing as how there's no SC items that they "Could be using" in the rest of the day.

Leveling would be kinda slow that way, though.
In essence:

Pros:
1) No SC, less drama(?)
2) People learn to play their class better(?)
3) people meet new people from different servers.

Cons:
1) No $$$$$$$$$ for Os and OOS
2) limited play time, limited leveling.
3) Thinking not many people would join (At first)
4) would have to be P2P.







Yeah, that's not happening.

What do you mean with "3) people meet new people from different servers."??

If you're on teva for an example and go to epith you'll meet new people too

[drigr_x]

Between all the servers that OS supports now, I think an SC-free server shouldn't be such a problem. I think it's a great idea. I know it's like comparing KMart to Macy's, but that game Runescape is free, but people who want to use the extended servers pay five bucks a month. Why can't they do something like that instead of using SC? Really? I know it's a money-maker- but seriously, all the people that play the game and ARE good players but can't afford SC are getting screwed because other charmed players are just taking advantage of it. And yes, this does cause drama mainly in PvP. Take away charms and most of these players are useless lumps of lards that couldn't do anything on their own.

I think a free server is possible, if OS really wanted to do something for the "lower middle-class" player. Especially those of us that don't live with our parents and have bills to pay. It's bad enough prices were jacked up on most items.

I think we need to start a petition to get a free server for those of us who don't want to deal with SC. Even if they have to downgrade the graphics or whatever. At least give it a try.
Runescape also has like 200 servers and the F2P and P2P portions DON'T meet. P2P stuff stays in P2P ONLY (well the beneficial stuff).. Not to mention, last time I checked Runescape is dying..

Oh, and it's also up to like 7.50 a month

[biskywhisky]

I say make a time limit on the server (If you ever make one), where you can only be on the server for like... 2-3 hours a day.

2) limited play time, limited leveling.

4) would have to be P2P.


If I chose to pay for this, I expect to be able to play for as long as I want to, thats just ridiculous.

[grummin]

1) No SC, less drama(?)

Less, maybe...as in none about "Yeah you beat me, but you're charmed/cookied/extended!"

Anyone familiar with online gaming can tell you, the hard fact is people = drama, period. There's always the PvPer, SC or no, who is unbeatable "except when he loses," and that's always because "OMG I lagged!" or "ZOMG my dog ate the remote to the TV!" (Actual excuse that has been used. No kidding.) It's neither the lag nor the PvP causing drama- it's the player, and the only way to eliminate player-induced drama is to eliminate the player by playing only single-player games.

I'm not sure any drama reduction would be quite as drastic as some folks seem to think. I'm more inclined to think it would just change the nature of the drama somewhat. Less feuding over charmed/extended, replaced by more over spot claiming, drop hogging, etc.


1) No $$$$$$$$$ for Os and OOS

4) would have to be P2P.

Now you're contradicting yourself...is it no money for OS, or P2P? See, P2P means you pay a fee, which goes to OutSpark, which makes "No $$$ for OS" untrue...


Yeah, that's not happening.

But I do agree that this is most likely 99% true at minimum.

[SweetLavender]

one thing I'd like to point out is that even if this idea came into effect, there will still be drama. drama in this game isn't directly caused by Outspark/sc/pvp/w/e, but also the players. who says this server won't have the haters/spammers/racists/etc won't come to this server? nobody

[lolznplz]

hey guys, guess what. Fiesta was F2P back when there was only 2-3 servers and no cash shop, and they got around just fine.

one F2P server with no sparkcash, would be a great idea in my opinion. hell, it would even make me come back to the game with hopes it would remind me of the golden days. i think OS should definitely keep this idea in mind.

[fa1nt6]

I would consider leaving ragnarok for this game again for a no-sc server, I have spent enough money on this damn game and it is just not worth playing without it, unless everyone else has to play without it too.

Even if it was 5$ a month, I would try it out, as pvp and stuff would be more fair/skill based besides who has the most +9's.

[lolznplz]

I would consider leaving ragnarok for this game again for a no-sc server, I have spent enough money on this damn game and it is just not worth playing without it, unless everyone else has to play without it too.

Even if it was 5$ a month, I would try it out, as pvp and stuff would be more fair/skill based besides who has the most +9's.

naw man. if i was ever required to pay for fiesta, i would stop playing immediately. they're greed is rediculous in the cash shop alone, making us pay for a F2P game would just be crossing the line. and it's not the amount i'm butthurt about, it's a matter of principle.

[TheCentrix]

hey guys, guess what. Fiesta was F2P back when there was only 2-3 servers and no cash shop, and they got around just fine.

one F2P server with no sparkcash, would be a great idea in my opinion. hell, it would even make me come back to the game with hopes it would remind me of the golden days. i think OS should definitely keep this idea in mind.

Yeah for the first 3 months, because it was BETA. Plus, Outspark got funds from other companies in the beginning to stay alive during that phase. (now they have to pay them back ofcourse)

So your argument is incorrect lol :D

[lolznplz]

much longer than the first 3 months bro. i joined in september '07 (which i beleive was after open beta) and there was no cash shop for a damn long time. at least 6 months i'm sure.

not only that, but there are other free to play games on the interweb that have been around for multiple years so there's no reason OS can't do it.

also, people spend so much money on this game. some people up to $100+ every month. they probably easily cover the current servers and more.

[TheCentrix]

You're ignoring the rest of my post. Even if it was for 6 months, they got funds in the beginning to stay alive. Pretty much every MMORPG you see out there with a F2P model started with no premium shop during their BETA period. They would be really dumb if they made a cashshop during closed beta. Accounts get whiped after closed beta. Would you like playing a game and then after 2 weeks they delete all your characters including the cashshop items you had? Ofcourse not.

The cashshop opened in november 2007 if im correct, and open beta started in october. So a month after open beta started they opened the cashshop.


also, people spend so much money on this game. some people up to $100+ every month. they probably easily cover the current servers and more.

Only a small part goes to outspark.... Think of it:
- They have to pay taxes over the cashshop.
- They have to pay payment fees (like paypal fees, etc etc)
- They have to pay a % of what they earn in the cashshop to OnsOnSoft
- They have to pay for every server (good game servers like the ones on outspark may already cost $500 to $1000 each, per month)
- They have to pay for electricity, gas, water
- They have to pay the banks back (they had to loan money to stay alive during the first few months remember?)
- They have to pay for the building
- They have to pay the staff. There are about 50 staff at outspark. lets say on average they earn $1800 per month (im taking a low average just to make sure) $1800 x 50 = $90.000 per month

Do you really think Outspark is that rich? Just looking at the staff payroll makes me wonder if they get enough for that. Then looking at what their office looks like.... (no offense to outspark lol)

http://outsparkclub.com/file/pic/gallery/2425.jpg

[ras-blackfire]

i wouldnt want to pay to play =/ then i would quit right away XD
whats wrong with normal servers? no one forces u to use SC ~_~ if u get upsad about PVP then just dont do it

[RikoRain]

The thing with a non-sc server is this;
In the gaming community as far as payment and game is concerned, you basically got 3 types of games.
Monthly payment.
Privilege buying (sparkcash).

Outspark has to pay for updates / servers somehow. Fiesta isnt just some console game where you pay 60$ for the disk and game data and you play it on your own home console. Youre playing online. Through a server. These things arent free. Theres server cost, upkeep, electric bills, bills to the people upkeeping it, updates, bug fixing -- and since its a MMO, all good MMO's are going to have events, so then you gotta have people to manage that, money to pay them, etc, etc.

Now see, since Fiesta is a privilege buying type of game where you can buy at your own will, whatever you want that they can offer, however much, for whatever purpose - this is their way of paying for all those bills. The only other way for them to pay those bills is monthly payment, and alot of people would hate that (me included) because it gets rid of the free part of the game. Meaning even if you dont want to buy sparkcash, you can still play the game simply because people who want to buy sparkcash, do.

A no-sparkcash server means that this server is essentially leeching off the costs of the other servers. It wont be making its own money. Itll in fact, be COSTING money.

Now, if you want a no-sparkcash server, then by all means, go for it, but you better be supporting like a 50-100$ a month fee for it too because thats what will be needed to run the cost of loosing all those potential sparkcash buyers.

Plus what about new people? Not all new people research the servers, they just pick one. And the poor guy who sees all the sparkcash on the other servers and wants it but finds out his is no sparkash..


Lol Centrix explains it so well, but I dont think their office is that.. well maybe a lil paint? D: Dang those are some plain walls

[lolznplz]

you guys don't understand that there are some places where people can't even buy SC (at least from what i've heard). they could easily make some kind of restriction where, if you've spent over x amount of SC, you're not allowed on this server.

there are players who don't buy that much sparckash, so they're not contributing to the upkeep of servers all too much...what's the difference if all those people are thrown into one server?

[TheCentrix]

Well maybe they dont want to move to a different server? It's a really simple answer.

An idea is nothing, you have to investigate the pro's and cons before you can take action. If you just "do" without thinking you won't survive in this world. A lot is at stake.

According to your profile you are 13 years old. I don't expect a 13-year old to know a lot about businesses and all, cause I didn't either when I was that age.

[sally1234345]

I dun reali think this is a very good.....
os will loose a lot of money becuz of this....
besides, I have a feeling if a non-sc server do exist, many vetrens/other server players will move to the non-sc server to save cash >.>