Comparison: elemental vs. summoner

[waywardbastard]

In all fairness, both mage professions are pretty equal. The main diffrence, is summoners get more powerful attacks. This is great class for doing lots of damage. Fun class and super easy to level. I think of this class as the more pve oriented job. That is not to say this class is not effective in pvp, they just have an array of moves made specifically to increase ranged damage attacks.

Elementalist on the other hand, instead of getting more damage outright, they gain a little flexability in their moves. Instead of high damage moves they get nova, to push melee attackers away, and stone wall, great move to catch rogues and warriors jumping around you. I think of this class as more pvp oriented. They are more flexible in there ability to deal with enemies at diffrent ranges. And nova is great move to avoid getting ganged.

-hope this helps people decide.

[krzy4noodle]

From the point of few of a biased summoner. Summoners are actually far different than elementalists. If you consider the attacks of summoners, we do higher damage on a particular attack (assuming both int. are the same). However in order to do such attacks we require time to summon all four fairies, unless of course you summon all the types of fairies at once. But that only hits as close as a regular mage's fire bolt. Now if you don't know, it is very difficult to even be better at PvE than Elementalists. Meteor is our only offense: it does the highest damage (unless you're doing all 4 fire fairies) and covers the greatest range. Though... that's only for summoners... Elementalist, in my opinion, are far superior at this point in any case. They have the most AoEs: blizzard/"campfire" combo, Earthquake (as the best range among mages), and the triple earth stone thing. Even if we, summoners, can do higher damage they simply trample over it with their blizzard/"campfire" combo or what-ever-combo they want to use. All in all, so i don't go on and on, Elementalist are better in many aspects than summoners even if you try looking at if from a different perspective.

-This is to also help people learn more what it is like being compared to summoners, and to educate you mages~
-If my grammer or anything is wrong... just shoosh about it and leave it be, I don't like any arguments so "silence is golden" or w/e u want to think about it
-If you want to argue against my case, be my guest and i'll talk back when i'm not bored to death because the weather where I am is being bi-polar~~~
P.S ~ this is not meant to offend you in anyways wayward :O

[blake3470]

Um wayward are you new? : o (just wondering :S) But I think your wrong on the part about summoners doing more damage. When I was training on my noob summoner, I summoned all of my wind fairies, and there wasn't much of a damage difference in my wind skill, the fairy attack didn't do much damage either. This happens in pvp as well. On the other hand, elementalists have AOE moves (unlike 1 hit summoner attacks) that do more than the summoners anyway (I base this off of experience in std pvp). Like (I'm not sure...but I'm assuming this from my windfairy -> windskill failure) 4 fire fairies and a regular fire move with a summoner probably does less than an elementalist fire wall. .-.

[krzy4noodle]

Mmm well there mister summoner that's because in the first place... why bother even using wind fairies unless you want to shove ppl around~
- the percentage of boost from the fairy and ur current int would be too lil to even care about
- fairies' damage are a nightmare (not saying that's a good thing) themselves~
- wind fairies all at the same time only does a tiny bit higher than its wind bolt so therefore 3 fairies of the same type of any of its corressponding mage atk does about an equal amount of damage.

So yea summoners are always ur most highly unfavorable class until u get to at least past meteor ^^

If you get above that point your fairy really only boost ur attacks by a 100 or so... o wellz

-Have fun suffering the trainings of that summoner like I did o-0

[ola_swirl]

-If my grammer or anything is wrong... just shoosh about it and leave it be, I don't like any arguments so "silence is golden" or w/e u want to think about it

Your grammar is immaculate, relatively to usual people who type on forums! xD

People say Summoner is also good for Ice bolt > Ice fairy > Ice bolt > Fire ball combo, but you can't compare with an Elementalist... especially because usually players block off the attack that comes after the first ice to counter-attack.

[krzy4noodle]

*cries* :P....................

[white.devilz]

im gunna make a summoner ....

but they said its hard to play ...

means hard too PvP , train !

so i wonderin shud ima make a summoner ?

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Um wayward are you new? : o (just wondering :S) But I think your wrong on the part about summoners doing more damage. When I was training on my noob summoner, I summoned all of my wind fairies, and there wasn't much of a damage difference in my wind skill, the fairy attack didn't do much damage either. This happens in pvp as well. On the other hand, elementalists have AOE moves (unlike 1 hit summoner attacks) that do more than the summoners anyway (I base this off of experience in std pvp). Like (I'm not sure...but I'm assuming this from my windfairy -> windskill failure) 4 fire fairies and a regular fire move with a summoner probably does less than an elementalist fire wall. .-.

Not thats not true 4 fire fairys then fire blast does more than half of your health in pvp and if you shoot the fairys afterward there dead.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Your grammar is immaculate, relatively to usual people who type on forums! xD

People say Summoner is also good for Ice bolt > Ice fairy > Ice bolt > Fire ball combo, but you can't compare with an Elementalist... especially because usually players block off the attack that comes after the first ice to counter-attack.

The summoner pwns, my summoner mako6103 is beastly at my lvl 35 i am already doing 3 hit KOs and when i hit 37 2hit KOs come and until you get to meteor the earth fairys isnt to useful but after meteor it can do as much as 500 more damage the highest ever hit with meteor with 4 fariys was about 1500 but normally it does about 750 but it is very possible to do a 1 hit KO with meteor and im not saying you cant with a ele i saw dutch kill a berserker in 1 hit with blizzard and it was standard pvp, but in my opinion summoners beast.

[xxdont-fallxx]

Critical Hit system really fked summoners up IMO

[star4242]

Critical Hit system really fked summoners up IMO

iknow right? i planning to make one since there so oped XD i didn't know at first that summoners are oped, because i don't see too much of them.

[doki_]

Summoners also have glitch.
Put 3 Fairys up to glitch the Counter's LV49 attack.
You don't take damage xD

[tersmha]

LOL I love how people on the outside always think its so glorious to be a summoner ... its really not.

PvE - Are you kidding? Eles can kill a mob of monsters way faster than I can even get my second meteor charged =/
Damage - No. I don't care if with one hit meteor does more damage than fire wall or earthquake. Its one hit. An ele still can cast fire wall and earthquake.

PVP
1. Four of One Fairy - Good look with that ... the only one that makes a significant difference is Fire Fairy, and that's really only if you have 4 Fairies ... which gives you a 5 second period to cast fairy attack before your first fire fairy goes away cause the recharge time is long. Even then its not as good as firewall.
2. Damage - Meteor doesn't do more damage than blizzard til about lvl 60. Guess what? Normal pvp stops at lvl 49. And plus blizzard allows a second hit. Meteor doesn't.
3. Summoner's don't aoe. All our attacks are straight hits except for meteor.

So who lied to you and told you that eles and summoner's are equal? When will eles accept that they picked a class that requires very little skill to play and move on already -_-

[star4242]

LOL I love how people on the outside always think its so glorious to be a summoner ... its really not.

PvE - Are you kidding? Eles can kill a mob of monsters way faster than I can even get my second meteor charged =/
Damage - No. I don't care if with one hit meteor does more damage than fire wall or earthquake. Its one hit. An ele still can cast fire wall and earthquake.

PVP
1. Four of One Fairy - Good look with that ... the only one that makes a significant difference is Fire Fairy, and that's really only if you have 4 Fairies ... which gives you a 5 second period to cast fairy attack before your first fire fairy goes away cause the recharge time is long. Even then its not as good as firewall.
2. Damage - Meteor doesn't do more damage than blizzard til about lvl 60. Guess what? Normal pvp stops at lvl 49. And plus blizzard allows a second hit. Meteor doesn't.
3. Summoner's don't aoe. All our attacks are straight hits except for meteor.

So who lied to you and told you that eles and summoner's are equal? When will eles accept that they picked a class that requires very little skill to play and move on already -_-

i agree.. summoner is a difficult job. i can seem to fit all those spells in my quick slot, and use them is succession o.o pluse the moves are pretty hard to combo with so i went with ele :p

[xxdont-fallxx]

Really I think Summoners are better.
1.Ice fairy then Ice (normal) then ice fairy then normal ice then fire.
2.Meteor charged up is epic.
3.Ele's are way too overused.

[star4242]

Really I think Summoners are better.
1.Ice fairy then Ice (normal) then ice fairy then normal ice then fire.
2.Meteor charged up is epic.
3.Ele's are way too overused.

the summoners combo can be blocked so :/ eles have aoe that kill em good so :p

[doki_]

Eles' AoE can also be blocked.
And Elemenatlist only do AoE so their skills aren't as powerful as Summoner's.
Where as Elementalist concentrate one target(Wind,Earth,Ice) and can do MORE Damage with fairys actived and use their fairys to almost do enough damage as Fire.
So,thats'like Fire,then 3 or 4 fairys attacks makin' it 2 fires in a row.
I'm not sure how much each fairy can hit but iKno' I've been hit with at least 320 when it was 4 :T

[star4242]

Eles' AoE can also be blocked.
And Elemenatlist only do AoE so their skills aren't as powerful as Summoner's.
Where as Elementalist concentrate one target(Wind,Earth,Ice) and can do MORE Damage with fairys actived and use their fairys to almost do enough damage as Fire.
So,thats'like Fire,then 3 or 4 fairys attacks makin' it 2 fires in a row.
I'm not sure how much each fairy can hit but iKno' I've been hit with at least 320 when it was 4 :T

but its still possible to score past warrior's hp? o.o

[doki_]

Yeah.......wha of it..?

[tersmha]

All of that fairy stuff doesn't matter at all cause you barely get time to use it.

The window to having all four fairies up in normal pvp and casting fairy attack is less than 10 seconds.
Less for having all fire fairies up (literally less than 5 second window - if you're paying attention to when your fire fairy is finished recharging.)
Ice Fairy + Ice Combo = either blocked or jumped out of
Meteor does less damage than Blizzard at level 49

Bottom line, who cares if you can do more damage with one attack when that's all you have? By the time it takes you to get that one attack out an ele gets out three.

Damage from 3 ele attacks > Damage from 1 summoner attack.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Um wayward are you new? : o (just wondering :S) But I think your wrong on the part about summoners doing more damage. When I was training on my noob summoner, I summoned all of my wind fairies, and there wasn't much of a damage difference in my wind skill, the fairy attack didn't do much damage either. This happens in pvp as well. On the other hand, elementalists have AOE moves (unlike 1 hit summoner attacks) that do more than the summoners anyway (I base this off of experience in std pvp). Like (I'm not sure...but I'm assuming this from my windfairy -> windskill failure) 4 fire fairies and a regular fire move with a summoner probably does less than an elementalist fire wall. .-.

Actually 4 water fairys do about the same damage as fire wall and farther more 4 fire fairys can easily do 500 and earth fairys are in the middle of those two. My summoner mako6103 is only lvl 35 and yet i already feel more powerfulk than most eles.SUMONERS FTW

[star4242]

summoners are deadly but hard to control.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Also I had a ele, it got hacked it was lvl 38 and my lvl 37 summoner is stronger and more fun, the only thing thats better on my ele so far is that it has firewall which helps in training.

[star4242]

Also I had a ele, it got hacked it was lvl 38 and my lvl 37 summoner is stronger and more fun, the only thing thats better on my ele so far is that it has firewall which helps in training.

Fireball is just as good as fire wall excepts it radius. :p

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Fireball is just as good as fire wall excepts it radius. :p

No its not firewall is 100% better.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Summoners are much better (Fact). There stronger, finish you off easily, have a great AOE, Has a fairy move that stops moves like poison, cart, ssyio, and frenzy, Which are the most deadly moves. They are also more fun, Because of eles being to easy. Summoners are a challenge like the Dp(2nd fav class) making you feel much much more accomplished when you kill.

[star4242]

That fairy move is a bug, its not suppose to be here. You exploiting a glitch to use it as a strength? Gimme a break.
But due to the developer not lifting a finger to that, your lucky. Eles imo are way better. They have more aoe moves like blizz and quake. All you have for a aoe is meteor. The rest are magic buffs.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

That fairy move is a bug, its not suppose to be here. You exploiting a glitch to use it as a strength? Gimme a break.
But due to the developer not lifting a finger to that, your lucky. Eles imo are way better. They have more aoe moves like blizz and quake. All you have for a aoe is meteor. The rest are magic buffs.

How do you know its a bug? I dont think it is, And farther more eles are not better. The only way they'll kill very quickly is if you dont block. Also the "Magic Buffs" are also attacks much stronger than any of the eles. I have played on a level 76 elementalist, and a lvl 62 Summoner, and the summoner was more fun and I got more points then on the ele.
We have resently gotten server checks and if it was a bug they would've patched it.
Star I dont mind you stating your opinion, because that is what the forums are, but don't state false facts( or atleast not proven yet ).

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Eles' AoE can also be blocked.
And Elemenatlist only do AoE so their skills aren't as powerful as Summoner's.
Where as Elementalist concentrate one target(Wind,Earth,Ice) and can do MORE Damage with fairys actived and use their fairys to almost do enough damage as Fire.
So,thats'like Fire,then 3 or 4 fairys attacks makin' it 2 fires in a row.
I'm not sure how much each fairy can hit but iKno' I've been hit with at least 320 when it was 4 :T

Doki Lol. sense when are you the best Bm and priest Lol. Oh and also i don't remember you ever having a summoner so don't act like you know em so well.
And also fire fairys do 40 fire damage each at first so in std its stronger but 40+40+40+40=160 fire damage, and thats at lvl 37.

[star4242]

How do you know its a bug? I dont think it is, And farther more eles are not better. The only way they'll kill very quickly is if you dont block. Also the "Magic Buffs" are also attacks much stronger than any of the eles. I have played on a level 76 elementalist, and a lvl 62 Summoner, and the summoner was more fun and I got more points then on the ele.
We have resently gotten server checks and if it was a bug they would've patched it.
Star I dont mind you stating your opinion, because that is what the forums are, but don't state false facts( or atleast not proven yet ).

Thats really easy to tell. Tell me, do you see in the summoner part of the game guide stating that summoners can dispel poison or other skills? Summoners are from the mage class, It would be impossible for mages to heal when all their magic is used into their attacks and buffs. That is totally a bug. I don't know who tricked you, but your just using a bug to your advantage. Plus, if it did exist, Only Priest would have that skill since they focus on support magic.

[doki_]

Doki Lol. sense when are you the best Bm and priest Lol. Oh and also i don't remember you ever having a summoner so don't act like you know em so well.
And also fire fairys do 40 fire damage each at first so in std its stronger but 40+40+40+40=160 fire damage, and thats at lvl 37.
Since I've HolyStruck and Tamed them.
Step up if you wish to take it from me or have someone do it.
...
So,iHafto to obtain character to kno'em. Alright,here's my View on a Summoner..
Doki's View : Lv.49 Summoner With Skills In Use.
Kabuto's View : having a summoner(Lv30,you don't need be usin' summoner skills,either)
My View seems best compared to yours.

iDon'tKno' wha the FireFairy part was for since iDidn't ask a question and nor can it really be confirmed that it IS 160 since we have CriticalSystem in placed BUT OKAY.

And...
You got pretty big mouth there,iSee.
Why don't you get on your knees so iCan keep you quiet.
Kuz in thee end,you'll be on your knees.

[doki_]

Oh..
Yes,there is bug for Summoner.
iDislike people usin' it when iTurn'em in Ssiyo/Frenzy when in GB.
But hey,anythin' goes from the looks'of it.
Its'even better when players'fightin' me use it as an edge and still lose.
iJust beat a thee Cheat.

[ola_swirl]

are the fairies still glitched, in the sense that they don't boost overall magic damage?

[star4242]

No. That skill blocks: Sword break, frenzy, All poisons, Stun, puppet, Cartlage smash, Arrow block(The foot traping skill), And many others that can cause status effects.

[doki_]

What Star said.
There's like 1-4 Summoners I've seen that abuse this like crazy.
LuxSummoner,Eddo's Summoner,Woob,Emi,BabyPoPs.

iDon'tKno' any others at this moment.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Thats really easy to tell. Tell me, do you see in the summoner part of the game guide stating that summoners can dispel poison or other skills? Summoners are from the mage class, It would be impossible for mages to heal when all their magic is used into their attacks and buffs. That is totally a bug. I don't know who tricked you, but your just using a bug to your advantage. Plus, if it did exist, Only Priest would have that skill since they focus on support magic.

They dont heal thereselves they get stop damage from being used, you act like you know but your really just guessing. Mabye they relized that eles are not equal to summoners so they added that on. I've heard that bomb grab is a bug and so is double grab, its obiously not, if somone thinks somethings unfair they think its a bug. If its a bug they'll patch it, if not then im going to continue using it, because I dont beleive its a bug.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Since I've HolyStruck and Tamed them.
Step up if you wish to take it from me or have someone do it.
...
So,iHafto to obtain character to kno'em. Alright,here's my View on a Summoner..
Doki's View : Lv.49 Summoner With Skills In Use.
Kabuto's View : having a summoner(Lv30,you don't need be usin' summoner skills,either)
My View seems best compared to yours.

iDon'tKno' wha the FireFairy part was for since iDidn't ask a question and nor can it really be confirmed that it IS 160 since we have CriticalSystem in placed BUT OKAY.

And...
You got pretty big mouth there,iSee.
Why don't you get on your knees so iCan keep you quiet.
Kuz in thee end,you'll be on your knees.

Doki ill pwn you, and i think you know it, fight me and see.I think of us as freinds, but if i have to destroy you i will. I'll fight you on any of my characters you can even pick.
lvl 41 trapper, lvl 66 DarkPreist, lvl 45 summoner, lvl 51 counter or, 80 Bezerker.

MAKO PWNS ALL!!!!

[kabutogrimmjow111]

are the fairies still glitched, in the sense that they don't boost overall magic damage?

No, they're not glitched anymore they do boost your magic damage.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

No. That skill blocks: Sword break, frenzy, All poisons, Stun, puppet, Cartlage smash, Arrow block(The foot traping skill), And many others that can cause status effects.

It doesn't stop puppet or stun, just saying.

[star4242]

They dont heal thereselves they get stop damage from being used, you act like you know but your really just guessing. Mabye they relized that eles are not equal to summoners so they added that on. I've heard that bomb grab is a bug and so is double grab, its obiously not, if somone thinks somethings unfair they think its a bug. If its a bug they'll patch it, if not then im going to continue using it, because I dont beleive its a bug.

You are obviously not getting what i said. I didn't say they can heal. If the developers did that, That should be its own skill. It wouldn't need 3 skills to activate it. Bomb grab isn't a bug. In order to do it, you need to use the hotkey you selected for booby trap+Strong attack/grab.

Double grab isn't a bug either. Its your mistake running to the person who grabbed you, You just ran into him/her again. And quit making false accusations. If i was lying i wouldn't have posted what i said just now. That skill is a bug. You just won't understand. You will just keep making false reasons why this "skill" isn't a bug. But don't worry, ill be there to correct you :P

[star4242]

It doesn't stop puppet or stun, just saying.

Yeah i figured that. You can't do anything while your in that state.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

You are obviously not getting what i said. I didn't say they can heal. If the developers did that, That should be its own skill. It wouldn't need 3 skills to activate it. Bomb grab isn't a bug. In order to do it, you need to use the hotkey you selected for booby trap+Strong attack/grab.

Double grab isn't a bug either. Its your mistake running to the person who grabbed you, You just ran into him/her again. And quit making false accusations. If i was lying i wouldn't have posted what i said just now. That skill is a bug. You just won't understand. You will just keep making false reasons why this "skill" isn't a bug. But don't worry, ill be there to correct you :P

I dont think you understand, i never said that bomb and double grab were bugs, I said i was TOLD they were and there obviously not. Why do you really think that its a bug?
Is it because its strong so you think its unfair, or that its because you were told? I dont think it is because its too much of a cowinsidence( or however you spell it) that the class that people say is so underpowered compared to its compitition( the ele ) has this bug or that it became such a good bug. Its been around since i first started playing this game which was almost a year and a half ago, and it hasn't been patched yet, its just doesn't make sense to me.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Yeah i figured that. You can't do anything while your in that state.

Well you can summon the fairy during puppet, it just doesn't do anything, which is another reason that I beleive its not a bug is because you cant do "Too Much Damage" with puppet without poisoning, so they don't need to let the fairys take it off.

[star4242]

I dont think you understand, i never said that bomb and double grab were bugs, I said i was TOLD they were and there obviously not. Why do you really think that its a bug?
Is it because its strong so you think its unfair, or that its because you were told? I dont think it is because its too much of a cowinsidence( or however you spell it) that the class that people say is so underpowered compared to its compitition( the ele ) has this bug or that it became such a good bug. Its been around since i first started playing this game which was almost a year and a half ago, and it hasn't been patched yet, its just doesn't make sense to me.

Then why even mention it in the first place when you say it was not true? >.>
Tell your friend to get he/she facts straight. No i didn't say that they were bugs. Quit twisting my words. I didn't stay that they were unfair. I thought that they were creative and smart. And the reason you cannot use it during puppet is because you are being out of commission when being puppeted. Ill say it again. That move is a bug.
End of story.

[kabutogrimmjow111]

Then why even mention it in the first place when you say it was not true? >.>
Tell your friend to get he/she facts straight. No i didn't say that they were bugs. Quit twisting my words. I didn't stay that they were unfair. I thought that they were creative and smart. And the reason you cannot use it during puppet is because you are being out of commission when being puppeted. Ill say it again. That move is a bug.
End of story.

No, you said I said they were bugs, but I didnt. Im simply stating that people say a lot of things are bugs that aren't because of multiple things. Like the archer tht told me double grab was a glitch stated that eles and summs can't fastcast without double grab, i proved him wrong so obviously its not a bug. The fairy thing isn't a bug, its too coincidental to be a bug, like I said before!!!

I'll believe you when they patch, which will probably never happen, but until then i will continue using it. You say that using a bug to your advantage is wrong, I call it resourceful, and if you get mad at me for it, then i'll be mad at you for double grabbing and or bomb grab.

[star4242]

No, you said I said they were bugs, but I didnt. Im simply stating that people say a lot of things are bugs that aren't because of multiple things. Like the archer tht told me double grab was a glitch stated that eles and summs can't fastcast without double grab, i proved him wrong so obviously its not a bug. The fairy thing isn't a bug, its too coincidental to be a bug, like I said before!!!

I'll believe you when they patch, which will probably never happen, but until then i will continue using it. You say that using a bug to your advantage is wrong, I call it resourceful, and if you get mad at me for it, then i'll be mad at you for double grabbing and or bomb grab.

Pfft go ahead, But dun come crying to me when they ticket you for overexploitation :P
That move and bomb grab is very different. Bomb grab comes naturally. That move is out of the ordinary.

[doki_]

Doki ill pwn you, and i think you know it, fight me and see.I think of us as freinds, but if i have to destroy you i will. I'll fight you on any of my characters you can even pick.
lvl 41 trapper, lvl 66 DarkPreist, lvl 45 summoner, lvl 51 counter or, 80 Bezerker.

MAKO PWNS ALL!!!!
I'll Holystruck'em 1 by 1. Choose any.

If you're good enough on Counter and Zerker. I'll use my Paladin.(I'm unable to GFC on Pervert,DarkPriest)

If your Trapper Stun/Puppet well enough. I'll be usin' Tamer. ~

[kabutogrimmjow111]

I'll Holystruck'em 1 by 1. Choose any.

If you're good enough on Counter and Zerker. I'll use my Paladin.(I'm unable to GFC on Pervert,DarkPriest)

If your Trapper Stun/Puppet well enough. I'll be usin' Tamer. ~

I don't stun because its a sad skill. I'll beat any of your characters on my summoner, your only i little better than me on Dp, but i'm a lot better on my summoner, and i pwn on my counter idc what anyone says because i've beaten most people that say I fail on Counter.
I am the one of the best active summoners ( the only one that has beaten me is Phanny, and that was awhile ago ). I know i can beat your darkpriest from exp, and if i can beat ureDOOMED on her spamming running Bm i think i could beat Tamer. You cant tame me foo!!!

If anyones the Gawd of Ws it would be somone more like Swagg.

[doki_]

Okay.. ?
Nah,Swagg is a King. Not a GawdOfWS.

[star4242]

I don't stun because its a sad skill. I'll beat any of your characters on my summoner, your only i little better than me on Dp, but i'm a lot better on my summoner, and i pwn on my counter idc what anyone says because i've beaten most people that say I fail on Counter.
I am the one of the best active summoners ( the only one that has beaten me is Phanny, and that was awhile ago ). I know i can beat your darkpriest from exp, and if i can beat ureDOOMED on her spamming running Bm i think i could beat Tamer. You cant tame me foo!!!

If anyones the Gawd of Ws it would be somone more like Swagg.

The only reason you think the skill is sad, is because you always get hit by it. Its just the way it is.

[hdking]

Stun is a Sadd skill when your getting hit with it , But its also a Good Skill when you Stun someone Lol

[doki_]

Meh with EmoShield + Stun = A-Okay with meh.

[Shadowic2]

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