Change of Stat of White Claw without Notice

[baowinnie]

I am a Rogue and initially bought the white claw 7 days becoz it's atk and def is better than my own gear.

After the patch i found that everything was changed.:mad:

GM didn't even tell us beforehand!!!

So my claw is downgrade, and my money as well. I feel this is SO UNFAIR to us who use SC to buy such gear.

Please may I urge GM pls either return to previous stat, at least to the claw expiry date, or refund.:mad::mad::mad:

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

They won't because GMs already stated in a previous thread about it that been closed that they gonna nerf them in that maintenance because many players has complain about being too much overpowered for a SC item.

[kerrylee5462]

agreed this has ruined my game feel like quitting. brought tiger claw in good faith and now it useless

[communer]

i bought the claws in good faith. It's like buying a car and find it without its motor the next day. I'd like the stats back like i bought them or have 2/3 of my money back:mad::mad::mad:




I am a Rogue and initially bought the white claw 30 days becoz it's atk and def is better than my own gear.

After the patch i found that everything was changed.:mad:

GM didn't even tell us beforehand!!!

So my claw is downgrade, and my money as well. I feel this is SO UNFAIR to us who use SC to buy such gear.

Please may I urge GM pls either return to previous stat, at least to the claw expiry date, or refund.:mad::mad::mad:

[wardomic]

It was made very clear the claws were going to have their stats changed to better fit the game. The amount of defense, they used to give was game breaking especially the fighter claws. Many people disliked the claws because they were were ruining the game balance, and would have even left if the stats remained. Yes the attack also had to be reduced as well it seems, but over all it's for the best.

Most likely you bought the items before the store was properly edited with the correct stats from tonight's maint. Sorry to say you probably won't get your money back because you jumped the gun thinking you were getting last week's disastrous unbalanced stats. However it doesn't hurt to send a ticket to csr and see what happens.
http://outspark.custhelp.com/app/answers/list

[baowinnie]

I also noticed that people think the claw is too powerful. It's absolutely fine that GM change the claw, or even del the claw forever becoz of this unbalance stat.

but what we concern is that, they should let it fade out naturally, but not just changed after the patch. So can you imagine you are like throwing money into the rubbish bin all of a sudden.

[topaul7777]

well now :( back to original weapon the attack was decreased so much now i would take over a +30 lose in attack i could have dealt with 8-10 attack.. well no need for "the claw" too bad b.c i was definately willin to pay even if was 7 days.. ~sighs~ noowww.. just another item that doesnt help the higher class. Dont we have enough junk that only helps low lvl defense (like bear suits n stuffs) well back the not wanting to play again :(

[sevnredseven]

I don't use a claw but i had nothing against them. I agree that the powers that be had no right to change the stats of the item without any notice. It is illegal, unethical, and just plain bad taste. You have a very large number of players who bought this item for particular reasons (whatever those may be to any individual). People have spent real money on these things and should receive a refund or have the items already purchased have their previous stats grandfathered in. I can understand switching the stats for any claws purchased from this point forward, but those who already own them are being ripped off. If I'm correct on this, the prices of the 7 day claws have also been lowered. If that's true, then you have people who overpaid for an unstable item.

I would also like to publicly state that I feel those in charge are spineless to perform this action to appease the egocentric complaints of 15-20 high level players who feel they are better than everyone else and don't want their precious training areas shared. These same people who have done nothing but complain since the inception of this new claw would buy one themselves and happily use them would there have been new maps available to do so. You think for one second those elitists wouldn't jump off of their soap boxes to move up 10+ maps to gain more exp??? Please.More than half of those complaining used every shortcut, exploit and add on to get to their level as it is!

So it would appear that DNC/Outspark is in a catch 22 at the moment. Made a claw, people got happy, some got upset...Change the stats of said weapon, some are happy, most will be angry. Better planning from the beginning would have served them a lot better. If we would have had the new maps we've been promised for over a year now, no one would be complaining because there would be no concern with overcrowding.

The bottom line is, you won't be seeing anymore of my money being spent on Spark Cash. Why should I or anyone else purchase items from the store when they can be changed or deleted at any time? I mean really how cheap and pathetic is it to have in game notices advertising a new item and encouraging people to stock up while supplies last only to change it after you acquired their money?

[topaul7777]

i agree that they have every right to change from here on out.. but i bought one for each one of my different class characters .. now they mean nothin to me. total waste of money. they should have at least kept the stats on them the same..n changed the ones bought from now on :/ the fact i warped to where i last aoed.. n almost died like i forgot my helmet or something was soo unexpected.. to then come to find out the stats were changed O.o wat if i was at 99.99 % n died ...omg depressing :(

[wardomic]

Sigh... they've had similar problems in fiesta in the past, it all turns out the same. They had to change the claws people already bought at the same time as changing the stats of all future claws, they are all linked together. As for the lack of attack you have spa eggs(+20 attack) and sc spa towel(+30 attack) that you can utilize if you really want the extra defense the claws give and still have good attack. It's not completely useless. And don't forget you can party up to kill faster, that often leads to faster exp believe it or not. Party and you get better exp over time.

As for changing without notice, they did give some notice, and I'd have to re read the ToS but i'm pretty sure Outspark and DnC reserve the right to change items in the game and in the sc store with little to no notice.(remembers reading about a certain head gear giving something like 50 sta at one point)

As for the attacks on high levels that's uncalled for. They would have argued against the claw even if there were new maps. It's about preserving game balance not preserving what maps they have left to train in. Also a number of the people who did complain have been around long before the east eir maps even came out, they've had it way harder than what you have now. The game has no challenge for people who get the def to aoe maps in east eir with all the def buffs available.

When mounts, accessories, pet skills, and the spa buffs came out it made things even easier but there was no where near as much complaining. The problem with the claw was it was adding way too much in one go making things ridiculously easy. We already have too many def giving items in the game and in the cash shop to make things easy, we don't need game breaking items as well.

Proper planning would have prevented this from happening in the first place that is guaranteed. None of the white tiger items were given proper stats in the first place and the claws were just too much. Where new maps are concerned depending on how they come out they would have become overcrowded as well no doubt. The white tiger items, more specifically the claws were handled very different from other items we've been given. It's a unique case and odds are there won't be repeats like this again.

I'm losing my train of thought now *looks at the clock as it says 2:30 AM* but anyways, you are just experiencing problems SoS experienced before, and fiesta experienced several times from what i gathered. They had ingame armor give stats equivilant to gear 30+ levels above them, to have them turn into what they should be in the first place or not useful at all. How does that tie into the cash shop and is thus similar to our situation? They use real money to aid them in enhancing equipment much like our meridians and pibriums for alchemist enhancements.

ok that's it i've said all i can, i probably repeated myself a few times but in the end. Things are better now game balance wise. A number of people would rather have a game that's balanced rather than way too easy.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245442&page=5

1:Read what GM_RoboPanda said in this closed thread(up here) 5-6 days, they already tell in advance they gonna nerf the stats of the Tiger claw before that maintenance happen so everyone was knowing in the forum in advance.

2: If u bought them before the nerf, u won't get a refund even if u send a ticket to a CSR because the only answer u gonna get is: Sorry, we can't refund the SC u use to buy the claws because the GMs already mention few days prior the maintenance they gonna nerf them.

So we we're already aware in advance they gonna nerf the claws in this maintenance.

3: For those that have accounts with few post counts: learrn by now to use more often the forum instead of whinning and complainning so u can know more what happen in the game. The forum has good use for informations u don't see in-game sometime.

4:If u don't like the change made on the claw and don't wanna play and quit just because of that, then be my guest and get out of the game if ur not glad about it. But that reason is in my opinion pointless and just complaining on the forum just because of a item that being nerfed.

and

5:End of the line, thread gonna get closed soon.

[sevnredseven]

Wardomic I am a high lvl player who has been playing before anyone even had an aoe skill yet. I am deep old school. I apologize if it came off as me attacking all high lvl players. I was only referring to the high lvl players who have forgotten what it's like to truly be new to the game. You're definitely not one of those people brother :)

[ace7580]

1:Read what GM_RoboPanda said in this closed thread(up here) 5-6 days, they already tell in advance they gonna nerf the stats of the Tiger claw before that maintenance happen so everyone was knowing in the forum in advance.

2: If u bought them before the nerf, u won't get a refund even if u send a ticket to a CSR because the only answer u gonna get is: Sorry, we can't refund the SC u use to buy the claws because the GMs already mention few days prior the maintenance they gonna nerf them.

So we we're already aware in advance they gonna nerf the claws in this maintenance.

3: For those that have accounts with few post counts: learrn by now to use more often the forum instead of whinning and complainning so u can know more what happen in the game. The forum has good use for informations u don't see in-game sometime.

4:If u don't like the change made on the claw and don't wanna play and quit just because of that, then be my guest and get out of the game if ur not glad about it. But that reason is in my opinion pointless and just complaining on the forum just because of a item that being nerfed.

hmmmm

what about people who actually dont read the forums or just returned from a break to play and thought *** 40+ def claw woot ima just say im one of those guys who just returned and did what i just said and was truley unaware of the nerf on stated claws i even bought 2 to be safe but my candy is gone no more aoe for me lol...walks away for another 3months break

would of been nice to see a note beneath the claws in item mall stateing some kinda stat change notice

[satans_worrior]

I am a Rogue and initially bought the white claw 7 days becoz it's atk and def is better than my own gear.

After the patch i found that everything was changed.:mad:

GM didn't even tell us beforehand!!!

So my claw is downgrade, and my money as well. I feel this is SO UNFAIR to us who use SC to buy such gear.

Please may I urge GM pls either return to previous stat, at least to the claw expiry date, or refund.:mad::mad::mad:

i also am mid range rogue and mid range knight and sorry i disagree with you , they did give notice of it change in another thread , one where higher player complain'd on the claw , so you can not say they did not give us notice that it was gonna be tweak'd with .

if you want to be angery over this , then be angery with the cause of this issue and that is the mid range players that abuse what is given and cause hinder to higher players lvling

[monchkinz1518]

Sigh... they've had similar problems in fiesta in the past, it all turns out the same. They had to change the claws people already bought at the same time as changing the stats of all future claws, they are all linked together. As for the lack of attack you have spa eggs(+20 attack) and sc spa towel(+30 attack) that you can utilize if you really want the extra defense the claws give and still have good attack. It's not completely useless. And don't forget you can party up to kill faster, that often leads to faster exp believe it or not. Party and you get better exp over time.

As for changing without notice, they did give some notice, and I'd have to re read the ToS but i'm pretty sure Outspark and DnC reserve the right to change items in the game and in the sc store with little to no notice.(remembers reading about a certain head gear giving something like 50 sta at one point)

As for the attacks on high levels that's uncalled for. They would have argued against the claw even if there were new maps. It's about preserving game balance not preserving what maps they have left to train in. Also a number of the people who did complain have been around long before the east eir maps even came out, they've had it way harder than what you have now. The game has no challenge for people who get the def to aoe maps in east eir with all the def buffs available.

When mounts, accessories, pet skills, and the spa buffs came out it made things even easier but there was no where near as much complaining. The problem with the claw was it was adding way too much in one go making things ridiculously easy. We already have too many def giving items in the game and in the cash shop to make things easy, we don't need game breaking items as well.

Proper planning would have prevented this from happening in the first place that is guaranteed. None of the white tiger items were given proper stats in the first place and the claws were just too much. Where new maps are concerned depending on how they come out they would have become overcrowded as well no doubt. The white tiger items, more specifically the claws were handled very different from other items we've been given. It's a unique case and odds are there won't be repeats like this again.

I'm losing my train of thought now *looks at the clock as it says 2:30 AM* but anyways, you are just experiencing problems SoS experienced before, and fiesta experienced several times from what i gathered. They had ingame armor give stats equivilant to gear 30+ levels above them, to have them turn into what they should be in the first place or not useful at all. How does that tie into the cash shop and is thus similar to our situation? They use real money to aid them in enhancing equipment much like our meridians and pibriums for alchemist enhancements.

ok that's it i've said all i can, i probably repeated myself a few times but in the end. Things are better now game balance wise. A number of people would rather have a game that's balanced rather than way too easy.

I agree with wardomic to all the points he mentioned about the tiger claw. However, in terms of actually "announcing" a better idea of announcement should be through in game, not alot of people come here in the forums unlike us. Just a thought there. I mean they can use the Mr. Notice guy right? or shout with yellow egg? just the way they "announced" it wasnt really announcing it to all the players...

EDIT: i feel sorry for you folks who expected a lot from the tiger claws, but as it is its just makes the game so imba i mean even w/o it the game is pretty much a no brainer at all as long as you have the right def :P

[satans_worrior]

I agree with wardomic to all the points he mentioned about the tiger claw. However, in terms of actually "announcing" a better idea of announcement should be through in game, not alot of people come here in the forums unlike us. Just a thought there. I mean they can use the Mr. Notice guy right? or shout with yellow egg? just the way they "announced" it wasnt really announcing it to all the players...

erm well i do remember that when there was wars in shouts in game that bondo and robo-panda both made shouts " pls play nice , dont flame , murdock is tweaking with it as we speak" ,so the notice was made public in game . sorry deal with it .

[monchkinz1518]

aha~ well prolly in ade but i didnt see it on marian lols and well time difference as well :P oh well i guess they did try other methods

[satans_worrior]

aha~ well prolly in ade but i didnt see it on marian lols and well time difference as well :P oh well i guess they did try other methods



lol lol yeah im on opposite time scale to GM,S too ,and i am on adel server and i know there has been a big war over this both in game and in forum , i cant say for mari server as i dont go there , but in our one this has caused WW 55 (skipping ww3-ww54) :D

[BellaAnimorum]

Outspark has changed things like this in the past, without notice, like the random small changes we have gotten with each and every "update", where it was claimed to be a maintenance, yet small, hard to find things were in fact changed.

I won't bother to dig up any specifics, maybe someone else can, but I know the graphics filter, mob-indicators on the mini map, erratic behavior of mobs on maps, and more were changes implemented without notice (any one remember when the Blue Polka Dot Headband was removed for the longest time from the SC store without notice?)
As far as the SC store is concerned, you lose if you think there will be any kind of compensation, as the SC store is purely your choice in the first place.

Sorry, but that is the bottom line. And don't think I'm being high-and-mighty here, as I have felt the same in the past in regards to other SC items. We simply have no say in the matter (unless the problem were severe, for instance all boosts stopped working or all SC items instantly became "expired") in which case we would get some form of compensation or other, but for both servers and not a small select few people.

[satans_worrior]

Sorry, but that is the bottom line. And don't think I'm being high-and-mighty here, as I have felt the same in the past in regards to other SC items. We simply have no say in the matter (unless the problem were severe, for instance all boosts stopped working or all SC items instantly became "expired") in which case we would get some form of compensation or other, but for both servers and not a small select few people.



YUP varn i agree and editslist #4 unless server caused lost of item or boost then compensation will be given.

oo and thxs i noticed i spelt compensation wrong in my first post . what a divv brain i am ;)

[fattygirl]

For those defending Outspark, there are many more options they could have taken other than just blatantly ripping people off. Rather than just posting on forum that they were going to "tweak the stats", they could have made several in game announcements, like the Blackheart ones constantly being shown. Also, why did they continue selling claws with old stats right up till they went offline for maintenance? They could have pulled the item from the store way earlier. Answer, - they were hoping to sell as many as they could while high stats were still showing, knowing most ppl would think they got claws safely in stock. Bottom line, the goods were not as sold and clearly fraudulently misrepresented.

[inferno0128]

LoL @ this thread too :D

[ace7580]

i agree with fattygirl 100% i only returned yesterday at the least they could of done was put in game notices in both! servers and not spank a thread in the forums adeline sided,the fact is not many ppl visit the forums and go looking too see if there being miss leaded on a item mall item,but everybody to there own i guess where all pychic this was gonna happen lmao:rolleyes:

sorry for bad spelling:eek:

[doninpon]

Best Option for releasing new stats on claw =

1. REMOVE the claw from the shop.
2. WARN those who bought extras that their claw stats will change
3. Entitle those that bought extras to a refund on the one's they bought
4. Wait 7 days for everyone's claws to expire

Then change the claw... man, who runs this company? You dont provide a product, get people all hyped up to buy a bunch of it...then RIP out from under them everything they thought it was. That's called FRAUD in the real world. People paid real money for these.

Oh and by the way, reducing the attack to the equivalent of a +5 lvl 34 sword=stupid as well.

Thats all, thank you and have a nice day :p

[opensunflowers]

Can I just say...

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

[satans_worrior]

well it clearly looks like it was only mari where it was not annoucned that the changes was coming with refferance to the claw , but just for the record i defened the claw from the begining and yes i did thank outspark for it and yes i did argue with high lvl's on this subject , tho i dont think they could see the reason of my own views to it .

i have said this before and i will say it again , maybe if the mid-range and low range players did not abuse everything to just gain as much exp as they do and abuse the lvl range of maps , then this would never of happen , yes there is an exceptble way of useing items , and yes go to maps a bit high than you are and get items for yourselfs , when i say items i mean if your a rogue and in duplex gears yes go to maps where you can find uni gears , but to go to maps like forest maps and be out of your killing range , that is just not exceptble .so i will say again for those of you that only brought the claw to just abuse it "servers you right and you get no simpathy from me , you ask for this yourselfs , and to the players who are like me and brought it to try and find there next lot of gears , i understand how you feel , and i would say do what i did recylce bin them :D :D :D woooot i got 4 hp flask and 3 mp flask and 13 lb coupons yayyyyyyyyy smile be happy im 13 coupons closer to getting another in game lb oo oo maybe i could do better than a 30D martion suit ;)

[Necronomicron]

they made claws useful ppl complained
they changed claws to pretty much useless ppl still complain
LOL make up ur freakin mind

[opensunflowers]

they made claws useful ppl complained
they changed claws to pretty much useless ppl still complain
LOL make up ur freakin mind

I know, right?

But look at the group of complainers regarding the two subjects.

Hax0r claws: older, wiser players complained because they knew how horrible they were.
Nerfed claws: nubs and people trying to aoe in templar with reflection complaining because now they have to level like normal.

Which group do we care about? ;)

[Necronomicron]

I care about myself thats enough D;

[satans_worrior]

they made claws useful ppl complained
they changed claws to pretty much useless ppl still complain
LOL make up ur freakin mind

yes they made them usefull but mid range abused that use thus causing the high lvls to complain and spit there dummies out cause mid range are on maps where they take so long to kill .
and now that its been sorted so that the high lvls can put there dummies back in there mouths and stop crying at the abuse you got mid range complain of the change

[satans_worrior]

I know, right?

But look at the group of complainers regarding the two subjects.

Hax0r claws: older, wiser players complained because they knew how horrible they were.
Nerfed claws: nubs and people trying to aoe in templar with reflection complaining because now they have to level like normal.

Which group do we care about? ;)

O.O taney what about the group that wanted it so not to abuse it but to go to places that you high lvl's so rightly complain that we dont go ,

i wonder how you high lvl would feel bout being mid range now that there are no parties , no healers and nothing that they had ????

[opensunflowers]

O.O taney what about the group that wanted it so not to abuse it but to go to places that you high lvl's so rightly complain that we dont go ,

i wonder how you high lvl would feel bout being mid range now that there are no parties , no healers and nothing that they had ????

First of all...I'm not a high level. ;)

Second of all, did you mean "that we shouldn't go"? I don't think I speak for myself when I say this: people don't care if you're soloing on a high level map. When someone tries to aoe doing 200's in Templar, taking 20 minutes to kill, ruining everyone else's gaming experience, then we complain.

THIRD OF ALL, nothing is stopping you from making your own party. There are a TON of healers looking for business now that nobody needs them, given the crazy defense giving sparkcash items.

FOURTH of all. I am considered mid-range now. I'm not even level 100! Even if you can't find a party or healer, guess what! You go and solo! If you were using the claw to go to places 'high levels' complain about you being there, then you're probably doing such pathetic damage it it's actually useless for YOU to be there, because you won't be getting hardly any exp at all and the drop rate will suck for you.

[nad_papillon]

I'm not gonna read all this thread, cos its starting to gimme a headache.

Here's what I'm gonna say :

I was one of those who complained for +40 +20 defense on the claws for tankers, not cos I'm high leved and I have a high defense and I wanna be the only one who can tank amorica without a healer (I wonder how I could do that while I get hit 20s ...).

The claw made the game unbalanced. +40 def in one shot is unacceptable.
The GM's agreed, and said it and shouted it on the game that they were gonna nerf the stats., so all the "def stat" abuser jumped to the store and bought 10+ claws, cos apparently the +40 def stat blinded the small amount of intelligence they had left in some corner of their brain, and they thought that Outspark is stupid enough to leave the old stats as they are, and change the stats on the new ones.

Well, this is what u got for being greedy.

Stop whining, u still have +10 defense. U know what that means? it makes u jump 4 maps. But, as we all now, it's not enough for you, cos if the item doesn't makes u jump 20 maps, its useless.

How many times did u say "oh shoot, i'm missing 4-6 def to solo this map". Here u go, now go play and try to earn ur exp without "cheating", and without having Outspark plvling you.

If u'll stop playing cos the defence was lowered from 40 to 10, then please, be my guest. U don't deserve to be in a community who cares bout the game's health ...



O.O taney what about the group that wanted it so not to abuse it but to go to places that you high lvl's so rightly complain that we dont go ,

i wonder how you high lvl would feel bout being mid range now that there are no parties , no healers and nothing that they had ????

omg cobra, which group? YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED TO USE THE CLAW TO GO FARM FOR UR GEARS. YOU ARE ONLY COMPLAINING FOR URSELF.

How did I went and farmed my gears for month in simpson and emperonie. Suicide aoeing with a priest or soloing. I didnt have any def pearls, any mount, any def glitch. I didnt have nothing.
If you are afraid of some HH (knowing that u have 4 ways to get rid of them (blindside, evil voice, sandstorm, invisible) while I only had 2.5 (shield crash, hard blow, and sometimes soul break if i dont lag and run fast enough)), I already offered u my help. just tell me when, and I'll come and poke away the HH.

But pls, gimme a break about the "what about the group that wanted the claws for gear farming"

[heeroyhui]

We Grinded.. We still Grind. Have any idea how is to kill one mob to get .005 in the "best" exp map... and wait 5 minutes to find one mob because low lvl players take a lot of time to kill? :P, Of curse. every player is trying to get the best exp they can, it's normal, but those high lvl players have only 4 or 5 maps to play because the mobs run on the other maps, while the low lvls have 30-50+ maps to play, they have the library, a place for fast exp on lvls 80-96, but they want templar or more even if they only can take 10 mobs because the map is full and they get 2% in 8 minutes, while on library they can get from 5 to 1% every 2 minutes u.u.

Of curse Low lvl players look at the high lvls as a greedy elite clan XD but they have played months, even years to reach the place that low lvl players can reach in only 1 or 2 months now.
Yesterday i was playing on Tin and one warrior lvl 10x came to the map and said: "Go away you noobs, at your lvl you dont get any exp. leave this place for those that can lvl fast"
("""And the high lvl players are the greedy clan""") xdd

[satans_worrior]

I'm not gonna read all this thread, cos its starting to gimme a headache.

Here's what I'm gonna say :

I was one of those who complained for +40 +20 defense on the claws for tankers, not cos I'm high leved and I have a high defense and I wanna be the only one who can tank amorica without a healer (I wonder how I could do that while I get hit 20s ...).

The claw made the game unbalanced. +40 def in one shot is unacceptable.
The GM's agreed, and said it and shouted it on the game that they were gonna nerf the stats., so all the "def stat" abuser jumped to the store and bought 10+ claws, cos apparently the +40 def stat blinded the small amount of intelligence they had left in some corner of their brain, and they thought that Outspark is stupid enough to leave the old stats as they are, and change the stats on the new ones.

Well, this is what u got for being greedy.

Stop whining, u still have +10 defense. U know what that means? it makes u jump 4 maps. But, as we all now, it's not enough for you, cos if the item doesn't makes u jump 20 maps, its useless.

How many times did u say "oh shoot, i'm missing 4-6 def to solo this map". Here u go, now go play and try to earn ur exp without "cheating", and without having Outspark plvling you.

If u'll stop playing cos the defence was lowered from 40 to 10, then please, be my guest. U don't deserve to be in a community who cares bout the game's health ...

nad i dont disagree that the claw was unbalanced at all , it wasnt fair that fighters got +40 def ,rogues got +20 and im sorry but i dont remeber the other classes def of it . i agreed that these needed to be more balanced between each class .

as for myself as a rogue , on the old claw i lost 3 att and gained 20+def , so in my view i never minded losing the 3 att to gain better def to go to maps pass phily or to sherwood , now i lose 33 att to gain +10 def , so on this my opion is it is now useless to me cos now it would take me too long to kill , thus bringing myself in to the type of person that you all have been complaining about .

and please note that on this i have expressed my views to high lvls as well as mid range lvls , and to be fair i have knock both ranges , thus not being bias just to my own range.

[ARNOTA]

aha~ well prolly in ade but i didnt see it on marian lols and well time difference as well :P oh well i guess they did try other methods

one of the gms said they were working on the stat issues of the claw in yellow egg shout in marian last week.

[satans_worrior]

one of the gms said they were working on the stat issues of the claw in yellow egg shout in marian last week.

maybe there wasnt the war on your server like there has been on ours , but by the sound of it , it could of being better annouced on ya server .

[ARNOTA]

yes they made them useful but mid range abused that use thus causing the high lvls to complain and spit there dummies out cause mid range are on maps where they take so long to kill .
and now that its been sorted so that the high lvls can put there dummies back in there mouths and stop crying at the abuse you got mid range complain of the change

idk what your lvl ranger is for high or low lvl players but mine is only players above lvl 135 are high lvls and only lvls 111 and lower are low lvls everyone else is in the middle. I think the high lvls the 135+ ppl had good reason to complain about lots of ppl using the claws, for them there is little maps to train on maybe 7 or so, while the midrange players have like 40ish and the lower lvls have 100ish maps. As you move up the the maps get fewer in number and harder to train on. If more ppl are able to aoe on higher lvl maps they are going to do so thus creating more arguments over who should really be on maps or not. Then everyone gets mad about any little thing. I think what some of the high lvls are tired of seeing is that the game progressively gets easier and easier, while no maps are put out for them to train on. What i see mostly are ppl that want to lvl fast and then when they lvl they complain about all sorts of things. Especially how high pet quest stuff costs. If they wouldn't have been plvled most of there low lvls they might have actually found some of this stuff that now costs them a fortune to buy. Also from what i have seem the ppl that lvl up fast because it is easy are more likely to quit the game because they become bored or get tired when it actually becomes challenging for them.

[sparkwulf]

Best Option for releasing new stats on claw =

1. REMOVE the claw from the shop.
2. WARN those who bought extras that their claw stats will change
3. Entitle those that bought extras to a refund on the one's they bought
4. Wait 7 days for everyone's claws to expire

Then change the claw... man, who runs this company? You dont provide a product, get people all hyped up to buy a bunch of it...then RIP out from under them everything they thought it was. That's called FRAUD in the real world. People paid real money for these.



I think this would've been the best option. Or at least let the claws that people already bought with the previous stats and all the new claws bought after maintanace with the new stats... *sigh*...:confused:

[himoses]

Murdok also did a sermon in Jot church and stated that stats would be adjusted.

Hope you enjoyed the claw while you had a chance. I had fun visiting sleepless grave and aoeing a bunch of desert maps that no one was on. Now, I should be able to aoe on my regular maps again since the noobs will be gone.

OS could have done things better. Maybe a poll before hand on stats. We all knew this claw was coming and when OS said that they would rework the stats before it was released, some of us believed them. I am not sure if I am considered a high level player at 112 or not, but I will not miss the claw's defense. I viewed it as a few days to visit some maps I had not been to in a while. I also viewed it as an annoyance that prohibited me from aoeing my normal maps.

For those that are lower to mid level, time to enjoy the game for what it is...a grind fest. Make some parties and some new friends. The game is a lot more entertaining when you do. Many low and high levels should relearn how to form larger parties with all classes. Ever try a sin/aco/warrior/mage party in new maps? Good times. I prefer partying with a mage and a sin.

If you desire your money back, talk to an OS CS person or your credit card company. If you paid cash, talk with your state consumer board. Hopefully you still have your receipt that you paid cash, or you are probably out of luck.

[shiabell]

We Grinded.. We still Grind. Have any idea how is to kill one mob to get .005 in the "best" exp map... and wait 5 minutes to find one mob because low lvl players take a lot of time to kill? :P, Of curse. every player is trying to get the best exp they can, it's normal, but those high lvl players have only 4 or 5 maps to play because the mobs run on the other maps, while the low lvls have 30-50+ maps to play, they have the library, a place for fast exp on lvls 80-96, but they want templar or more even if they only can take 10 mobs because the map is full and they get 2% in 8 minutes, while on library they can get from 5 to 1% every 2 minutes u.u.

Of curse Low lvl players look at the high lvls as a greedy elite clan XD but they have played months, even years to reach the place that low lvl players can reach in only 1 or 2 months now.
Yesterday i was playing on Tin and one warrior lvl 10x came to the map and said: "Go away you noobs, at your lvl you dont get any exp. leave this place for those that can lvl fast"
("""And the high lvl players are the greedy clan""") xdd

I LOL to this and agree with this comment lol

[AnimePimp66]

lol it wasnt so bad i didnt notice hardly anyone unusual grinding in maps i was usualy in b4 and the few warriors i ran into would pt me and i enjoyed for the first time to mob all map with a party as main mobber was very fun either way im still happy with the claw i will still use it for the def till i reach my goal even if arrest sometimes misses now DX! i dread the thought in haveing to buy hp buffs and chocos and flasks and spaming y.eggs for healers all day again

[elanteigne1984]

Hey,

I'm literally what you could define as a newbie in this game, only been playing for 1 week, I bought the claws and paid real money for them, but I have to admit, that after going around these forums and getting the input from everyone that I have to agree with the general Idea that the stat change is a good thing, I lvl up to lvl 33 in a matter of days, and by my understanding that's not good. I'm not a newbie to RPG's in general but then who is now a days, it just wasn't fair to the long time players to have a bunch of players with no or very little respect for the effort that has already been put in this game to make it the way it is now to go around and think they can decide how the game should be played.

I'm just happy they didn't decide to delete the claw altogether.

So newbs and me included will have to put in some more effort into lvlng, no big deal, some people should stop making this such a big deal.

[comp4ssion]

Hey,

I'm literally what you could define as a newbie in this game, only been playing for 1 week, I bought the claws and paid real money for them, but I have to admit, that after going around these forums and getting the input from everyone that I have to agree with the general Idea that the stat change is a good thing, I lvl up to lvl 33 in a matter of days, and by my understanding that's not good. I'm not a newbie to RPG's in general but then who is now a days, it just wasn't fair to the long time players to have a bunch of players with no or very little respect for the effort that has already been put in this game to make it the way it is now to go around and think they can decide how the game should be played.

I'm just happy they didn't decide to delete the claw altogether.

So newbs and me included will have to put in some more effort into lvlng, no big deal, some people should stop making this such a big deal.

Oh my goodness, you have no idea how refreshing it was to read this. Thank you for your input. You have a lot of potential in SoS and are exactly the kind of future high-level this community needs. Welcome to the game!

[GM_RoboPanda]

Hi!

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245407&page=6 and http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245442&page=5 are just 2 of several threads in which a GM stated that the stats would change. GM_Bondo even mentioned in a post that ALL claws would change.

Many people are not happy, and that is understandable, but this was talked about for a long while. I am happy to see that some people like the claw stat change. Thank you for the positive comments.

[Daft_Brat]

Guess no one remembers the blue polka dots and when they got fixed (Q_Q) or the u-book quest for that matter.

Come on people, GM's have been shouting on both servers that the claws were going to be tweaked, it's hardly a surprise. Lol at calling it 'illegal' by the way. Go read the TOS. ;]

Like any great imbalance it generally gets fixed, might take a little bit but it does get fixed.

[serenitygenesis]

The claws were fun while they lasted. I'll just go back to grinding for my lvl 87-98 gears instead of aoeing for them - it might take longer, but I'm not in it for the exp. :D

[comp4ssion]

The claws were fun while they lasted. I'll just go back to grinding for my lvl 87-98 gears instead of aoeing for them - it might take longer, but I'm not in it for the exp. :D

That's the spirit!! :)

[sevnredseven]

Hi!

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245407&page=6 and http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245442&page=5 are just 2 of several threads in which a GM stated that the stats would change. GM_Bondo even mentioned in a post that ALL claws would change.

Many people are not happy, and that is understandable, but this was talked about for a long while. I am happy to see that some people like the claw stat change. Thank you for the positive comments.

I like that the forums are now considered the official channel for all in game announcements and communications. Thank you for informing us of this change as well.

This company will encourage people to purchase items and stock up on them, and once currency is exchanged, said items can change and/or disappear without notice? As far as United States consumer affairs are concerned, that is unlawful and unethical and the exact reason that banking institutions have enacted card claim and fraud protection services. Take it as negative as you'd like my dear GM, but this is a very serious matter this company has just created; And if the Terms Of Service state that anyone who should file a claim can have their account banned it further illustrates how inept this company is at handling customer complaints.

[GM_Phibes]

I'm sorry that some players were caught unaware that the Claws would change. I will make sure that communication is better moving forward. I like the idea of removing the items until the 7 days expire and I will urge our partners to do this next time (but I do most of my "urging" in regard to getting us items in the first place).

I want everyone to enjoy their time in Solstice and keep playing the game. Bondo and Panda are working their behinds off to keep a steady stream of events going while Murdock and I are spending half our lives pleading with the developers for new content, maps, dungeons and everything else for you guys.

There will always be bumps in the road in every game and Solstice is going to have some issues that come with all the attention we're trying to bring to the game. I'd rather have a few mistakes here and there than just leave the game on autopilot with no new items, quests, maps, mounts, etc... I hope you can agree that in the end, these frustrations are worth it if we can get you all the things you want.

[himoses]

Guess no one remembers the blue polka dots and when they got fixed (Q_Q) or the u-book quest for that matter.




Ok, I have been around for a while, but I have never heard a mention about the blue polka dots.

I remember the Ubook quest and my devotion to farming them to make my first billion when a billion was a TON of kron (before the kron exploit). So many people bought their way to 96 instead of slogging it out in Aser. I lost a nice Satisfaction Helm ap 6 +5 (those were REALLY hard to find back then) to the exploit. I was going to quit but decided to give away all my "ill-gotten" funds in the form of tiny pots.

I only mention this because:

1. This is not the first time OS has had less than overwhelming customer service. However, they are people and people make mistakes. They are a lot better than they used to be.

2. The situation is what you make of it. You can get angry and start a mob and make everyone else miserable or you can make the most of it. No one is being deprived of basic essentials of life. This is just a game. You are better off quitting now if you cannot handle a few setbacks and a lot of tedious grinding.

[purifyde]

after reading this horribly long thread...i still say those that bought the claw and at leeaasst havent taken them out of their cart/backpack should be offered a refund. i mean we're not really getting the item we bought are we? so im not saying that the stat changes were bad or good or anything. but a refund or some type of compensation should be offered to those that quickly invested in the claw. they bought so many maybe because they felt they could trust outspark not to rip them off? :P for whatever reason, doesnt change the fact that they bought one thing, and are now receiving another. in TOS or not, thats how u lose players :P just because u can do something doesnt mean that you should ^^

[sevnredseven]

I'm sorry that some players were caught unaware that the Claws would change. I will make sure that communication is better moving forward. I like the idea of removing the items until the 7 days expire and I will urge our partners to do this next time (but I do most of my "urging" in regard to getting us items in the first place).

I hope you can agree that in the end, these frustrations are worth it if we can get you all the things you want.

Wow so I guess we all got our answer then. Maybe "next time" we'll be forewarned and the proper measures taken; And sadly, I can't agree: not getting what I paid for is unacceptable.

[midnightwalker72635]

will get this i think state under laws i think they a clearly broken and they could get them self under trouble bate switch if people to go and try it curt i am sure they would win what they did to people was wrongly and unjust a lot of use bought those claws before up date and stuff as said when bought that claw they entered a contracted with the customer and they broke it its UN fair and unjust to the lower end people cause most of you say where to lasy to look for are stuff but the shoe on the other foot your to lazy to make mount or pearl and fules advertisement their law terms they need to know before what they did though

[sevnredseven]

Ok, I have been around for a while, but I have never heard a mention about the blue polka dots.

I remember the Ubook quest and my devotion to farming them to make my first billion when a billion was a TON of kron (before the kron exploit). So many people bought their way to 96 instead of slogging it out in Aser. I lost a nice Satisfaction Helm ap 6 +5 (those were REALLY hard to find back then) to the exploit. I was going to quit but decided to give away all my "ill-gotten" funds in the form of tiny pots.

I only mention this because:

1. This is not the first time OS has had less than overwhelming customer service. However, they are people and people make mistakes. They are a lot better than they used to be.

2. The situation is what you make of it. You can get angry and start a mob and make everyone else miserable or you can make the most of it. No one is being deprived of basic essentials of life. This is just a game. You are better off quitting now if you cannot handle a few setbacks and a lot of tedious grinding.

ZOMG WAKE<removed> UP!!!! This isn't some inane whining about another broken quest, this is real people losing...wait for it..............REAL MONEY!

[midnightwalker72635]

I'm sorry that some players were caught unaware that the Claws would change. I will make sure that communication is better moving forward. I like the idea of removing the items until the 7 days expire and I will urge our partners to do this next time (but I do most of my "urging" in regard to getting us items in the first place).

I want everyone to enjoy their time in Solstice and keep playing the game. Bondo and Panda are working their behinds off to keep a steady stream of events going while Murdock and I are spending half our lives pleading with the developers for new content, maps, dungeons and everything else for you guys.

There will always be bumps in the road in every game and Solstice is going to have some issues that come with all the attention we're trying to bring to the game. I'd rather have a few mistakes here and there than just leave the game on autopilot with no new items, quests, maps, mounts, etc... I hope you can agree that in the end, these frustrations are worth it if we can get you all the things you want.

nope you guys don't care about rail roading use like that its unfair unjust what you did you outta left are sat alone and you need to look up law terms this got agi and legmen t action all over it i think theirs alot of people you side swiped us its nuts how rub-ix was on just here me last night now their people on actually saying something over eggs and alot more will come out of this rather then a few 140 plus people quitting their more lower end peeps then higher end more of lower end people pay sc i don't think you need to make the any madder then they are

[midnightwalker72635]

i don't think me or a lot of people ever buy items form outsparks if the can do this i am sure the change other items like your cape if higher people start to complain about that next or bells and i am sure it come to that its just mater of people saying their def to high get them off my maps i cant hardly level they hurt just as much as us but i missing with people rights on this

[GM_Bondo]

*weeps into a lace hanky* I wish we could please everyone every time....

But, alas!! For it is impossible...

As Phibes, RoboPanda, and a few of you players have mentioned... I, too, am sorry if some of you feel as if this was an unfair change... but at the same time, we have been urging players to check the forums and/or Facebook for information and events and announcements, since we cannot always be in game.

I also know that RoboPanda and I spent hours on both Marian and Adeline in yellow egg discussions about the claws, and both of us worked very hard to let you know that we'd heard you, to please be patient, to have fun, and know that we would be changing all of the claws.

Granted, we cannot be on both servers all the time (even us GMs need some sleep), which, again, is why we recommend checking the forums <3

It's a permanent place with tons of information that all of you can quickly and easily access, and that we as GMs have the ability to quickly get information out to all of you.

So, thank you for playing and please remember, it is a game and it is supposed to be fun! I am glad that you do get up in arms, for it means you care! You really do care!!! *sniffles into my hanky*

*bows* Hope to see you all in-game soon! <3

[Orbo99]

You guys need to have some sort of option for recompensation for the players who purchased that claw BEFORE you guys decided to change it. Changing future purchases is ok, but if you change something someone has already purchased you need to give them the option of recompensation for it. If it was bought at that time, then odds are it was bought for those stats. I would suggest working on a recompensation plan ASAP seeing as how lots of people are quitting because of this incident...possibly even more than when the claw was first implemented. Otherwise its just stealing and no matter how you word or attempt to justify not recompensating STEALING IS WRONG

[fullmooncrops]

i do agree with midnightwalker72636 alot of people are upset why would outsparks do something like this you otta seen the eggs of people

[fullmooncrops]

but its not as if you where to say something about it i agree with midnightwalker some law where broken so what dose my friends do and rubix said he get a refund he bought cpl claws 4 in his cart and you guy where never upfront you hid to much stuff you guys need to my upfront with people rather then riping them off

[fullmooncrops]

*weeps into a lace hanky* I wish we could please everyone every time....

But, alas!! For it is impossible...

As Phibes, RoboPanda, and a few of you players have mentioned... I, too, am sorry if some of you feel as if this was an unfair change... but at the same time, we have been urging players to check the forums and/or Facebook for information and events and announcements, since we cannot always be in game.

I also know that RoboPanda and I spent hours on both Marian and Adeline in yellow egg discussions about the claws, and both of us worked very hard to let you know that we'd heard you, to please be patient, to have fun, and know that we would be changing all of the claws.

Granted, we cannot be on both servers all the time (even us GMs need some sleep), which, again, is why we recommend checking the forums <3

It's a permanent place with tons of information that all of you can quickly and easily access, and that we as GMs have the ability to quickly get information out to all of you.

So, thank you for playing and please remember, it is a game and it is supposed to be fun! I am glad that you do get up in arms, for it means you care! You really do care!!! *sniffles into my hanky*

*bows* Hope to see you all in-game soon! <3

hey i do agree with midnight walker some law bat switch fuels s advertisement was in play what dose he do about geting a refund about what you did rubix said hes could get one

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Geez, does people will even learn? U won't get any refund since u bought the claws before the maintenance, ur fault if u bought them.

This thread should be closed now since there too much complain about it and the horse has been beaten too much to the death.

[GM_Bondo]

Lazy Bondo copy-pastes from other thread.



Just because no one can be right all of the time, and really, the information is there and hopefully this will head off some of the negativity (it's a game, folks! we're here to have fun so take a deep breath, let it out, relax, and smile).

Regarding SC purchases:
http://outspark.custhelp.com/app/ans...rvice/r_id/166

From the TOS:

You agree that Outspark owns all rights and interests in the Virtual Assets and retains the absolute right to modify its Virtual Assets. You acknowledge that Outspark has been, is, and will be constantly making changes to its games. You further acknowledge that Outspark can and will, in its sole discretion, modify features, functions or abilities of any element of the game or any Virtual Assets (which may, among other things, make the Virtual Assets substantially more effective or functional, or less effective or functional, more common or less common, or eliminated entirely).

Also from the TOS:


Outspark recommends that all users periodically review these Terms given the Outspark Service is supported by a live and evolving community. Outspark reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to revise, amend, change, add to, delete, or update these Terms and the Outspark Service, effective with or without prior notice by publishing the revised or updated Agreement on our website at http://www.outspark.com, or via email. Any revised or updated Terms will become effective upon publication and your continued use of the Outspark Service following notice and publication of such revised Terms. If you do not agree with these any revised or updated Terms, or are no longer in compliance with these terms, you are obligated to terminate your Outspark Account immediately and cancel any services for which you have signed up. Your continued use of the Outspark Service following any revision to these Terms constitutes your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. Outspark may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Outspark Service at any time. Outspark may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Outspark Service without notice or liability.


Everyone agrees to this when they create their account.

So once again: it's a game! Smile, deep breath in, deep breath out...relax...and go have fun!! <3
__________________

[witchblade001]

the point is not everyone reads the forums. It should say when u purchase an item it will change. It's still sold under false pretenses. It's like buying a hershey's bar paying for it and behind the register is the sign that they are going to change it after you have bought it. "OK here's your hershey's kiss". where is the rest of my chocolate. "OH sorry sir, the sign behind me says i will change it after you bought it. I think better advance warning is better. I am only stating what's right, the tiger claws don't do much for my character even with the other stats.

[GM_Bondo]

The point is that the information was in-game and left on the forums where it was available, and all players agreed to TOS when they create and account.

Anger is a negative emotion, very bad for you! Try to smile and relax and be happy - it's much better for your health! <3

[shiabell]

Maybe this will get ppl to read forums more often lol . in my opinion this whole over 20+ def claws was always to good to be true. and look what happened i was right xD and they changed it into something more reasonable lol ty outspark <3

[featherlynn]

I think the only fair thing to do is for SC to gift everyone that purchased the claw before the change should recieve a free one since we were all basically scamed but DNC. after all buying theese items are wht pays there saleries and with out us buying the game would not keep growing and expanding.So we should be compansated for every claw that was bought before the change...

[j-will12]

Man i spent so much on sc, bought 7 claws so i had em in stock....
idc if u change the stats, but i bought em a certain way, they shud stay the way i bought em.
and wuts up with no notice?
thats a bunch of B/S.
u guys n girls stay messing things up, i understand its hard work, but we pay good money.
put the purchased claws the way they were.

ps.
ur policy says no refunds... nothing about us purchasing and u changing our purchases.
its not right... n u know it.

[inferno0128]

Wow so I guess we all got our answer then. Maybe "next time" we'll be forewarned and the proper measures taken; And sadly, I can't agree: not getting what I paid for is unacceptable.

And you said you weren't using one ... lol.

[opensunflowers]

Bondo:

Regarding SC purchases:
http://outspark.custhelp.com/app/ans...rvice/r_id/166

From the TOS:


You agree that Outspark owns all rights and interests in the Virtual Assets and retains the absolute right to modify its Virtual Assets. You acknowledge that Outspark has been, is, and will be constantly making changes to its games. You further acknowledge that Outspark can and will, in its sole discretion, modify features, functions or abilities of any element of the game or any Virtual Assets (which may, among other things, make the Virtual Assets substantially more effective or functional, or less effective or functional, more common or less common, or eliminated entirely).

Also from the TOS:


Outspark recommends that all users periodically review these Terms given the Outspark Service is supported by a live and evolving community. Outspark reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to revise, amend, change, add to, delete, or update these Terms and the Outspark Service, effective with or without prior notice by publishing the revised or updated Agreement on our website at http://www.outspark.com, or via email. Any revised or updated Terms will become effective upon publication and your continued use of the Outspark Service following notice and publication of such revised Terms. If you do not agree with these any revised or updated Terms, or are no longer in compliance with these terms, you are obligated to terminate your Outspark Account immediately and cancel any services for which you have signed up. Your continued use of the Outspark Service following any revision to these Terms constitutes your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. Outspark may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Outspark Service at any time. Outspark may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Outspark Service without notice or liability.



MAYBE this will get people to read the ToS for once. After Bondo being incredibly nice for us lazy folk and posting the exact part of the ToS that is crucial to this dilemma, why is there any more arguements? We all agreed to this legal crap when we created our accounts! How can anyone think that there is anything else left to argue? Did nobody read the ToS, or at least have a general idea of how business is conducted when they started playing this game?!

I'm going to repeat what I've said in the other thread:

With the amount of uproar on the forums AND in game, you'd have to be an idiot to not think they were going to do SOMETHING. And the people who "stocked up"...well. Perhaps they never heard the phrase, "if it's too good to be true, it probably is".

Oh and a little edit just to show everyone I'm not just "som mean high lvl who dont care bout lowlvls!11".
I purchased a claw for my squire. He's level 59. He would have had 215 defense. My squire would have been aoeing Ivologue with bless. Aoeing with REFLECTION. In IVOLOGUE. In what world does that sound okay?! I'm not the least bit angry with them for nerfing the 40 def before I even had a chance to use it. Because I know I don't belong in Ivologue with Reflection. Come on. That's ridiculous. ;)

AND OutSpark doesn't have to do ANYTHING for the people whining about getting 'ripped off'. Since everything is so clearly laid out in the ToS that nobody read. So IF they do anything in the 'refund' category, it is out of the GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS. <3 ;)

[midnightwalker72635]

na a lot of people are going to a complaint at out sparks with cf Ag their some trouble what you did people need to look up customer mer laws i am sure their something wrong with this but you enter some sort agreement after changing items a Pearson bought and i am sure ag will look into maters

[midnightwalker72635]

thats what i am going to do is just email a complaint and i think for all those of us got ripped should do same they otta redo people that bought back to way it is then if we want a lowerd def then do that but people that cant afford higher end gears cant hardly aoer as it is

[opensunflowers]

thats what i am going to do is just email a complaint and i think for all those of us got ripped should do same they otta redo people that bought back to way it is then if we want a lowerd def then do that but people that cant afford higher end gears cant hardly aoer as it is

If you can't afford gears to AoE in game, that's not OutSpark's problem. That's your problem. That's when you start a party or solo kill like everyone else did.

It clearly states in the Terms of Service that you agreed to upon creation of your account that OutSpark can modify any item at any time. There is no more room for arguments. Why are you still pushing it!

[heeroyhui]

but people that cant afford higher end gears cant hardly aoer as it is

Lololol. I'll complain that i cant get gears+10 and i deserve a SC def with +100 def to be happy because im lazy and and...^^

This is too much u.u this is not a fast lvling game, dont even try to think that... if you want something in the life you work hard for it, that's how the universe is XD if someday we have something that help us going faster with the note of: Temporal. Just enjoy it those days. I had fun with my claw one week. i'll have fun with my claw some more days until i hit 150 or we get new maps, then i wont use it again with my main, im proud to be a good binder and a hardcore grinder on party or solo,

Play nice ^^ <-- sounds familiar :D

[CSR_Circe]

Not naming names here, but .. posting on one account and then changing to another to agree with yourself is just not cool.

[ace7580]

lol Walks away...pita pata

[Daft_Brat]

Ok, I have been around for a while, but I have never heard a mention about the blue polka dots.

Long time ago they gave around 500 hp. They were awesome Q.Q but they were changed which in the long run was probably the right decision. Was just using it as a comparison since those were another amazinggggglyyyyy amped sc item. :cool:

Relax people D: You're going to lose circulation to important parts if you don't un-knot your undies. :<

[witchblade001]

Not naming names here, but .. posting on one account and then changing to another to agree with yourself is just not cool.

lol , someone did that?

[witchblade001]

for some reason i can't stop laughing about that

[BellaAnimorum]

What's with all the double-posters?

GMs... if you can still smile about your jobs after all this, err, "criticism" then by golly you sure do belong here!

(And I loved those darn Blue Polka Dots T.T)

[monchkinz1518]

read ToS end of discussion right? thanks bondo for that.

[shellbullet101]

Bondo you have amazing patience and discipline lol as well as all the new gms ty for changing the stats maybe i can actually go grind again.

[saiguru]

i have one more thing to add to this discussion: neeener neener neeenerr!

[GM_Bondo]

Now now, Saiguru... no need to go all Sheldon on us...



We really do appreciate the amount of effort you all have put in to posting here on the forums, and I hope we can see more (positive) contributions from you all in the future. ♥

[twynky]

The Claw Was Very Very Very Powerfull Item (sc item or not) who they give u more def than a cleric can give u lol? i look people lvl 95~ making aoe on Thinkcrush valley..... how be this?

Im for the idea they items just give u 16-21 more def like other regular sc items :)

But this give u.... +hp/mp, atk/def/magic resistance, +hp/mp recov ammount! :confused:

[shiabell]

Not naming names here, but .. posting on one account and then changing to another to agree with yourself is just not cool.

LOL at this comment.


thats what i am going to do is just email a complaint and i think for all those of us got ripped should do same they otta redo people that bought back to way it is then if we want a lowerd def then do that but people that cant afford higher end gears cant hardly aoer as it is

LOL even more at this comment. lower def u say hahaha try going through a kron hack when u just turn into a warrior (like i did) and see how hard that is I remember seeing pets being sold left and right for a billion kron imagine what the sat gears were like back then >> idk ppl have way to easy now these days and seeing how the ppl complaing it almost sounds like a joke to me. just like Ray William Johnson states * im just saying* XD well either way im just happy things are in a balanced state for this game.

[Alma_Adhara2]

indeed lol, all the ppl thats complaining are mostly low lvls or ppl that started playing recently, its like, come on man, we've gone through worse stuff (exemple: the said above) and yet u keep winning for 2$ =.= ah wells...

Its true GMs/whoever could have done this in a more organized way but jeeze, everyone is human you guys calm down =.=

[satans_worrior]

ok ok ok how many threads for this seeeshhhhhhhhhhhhh look the claw now been down graded and is only useful to low lvls the same as any other sc weapon , so all lets go farming with what we bought (better goofy ;)

lets move on next subject for debate is ..........

[BellaAnimorum]

OFF TOPIC:


just like Ray William Johnson states * im just saying* XD well either way im just happy things are in a balanced state for this game.

LOL @ =3!!! (isn't he such a short guy??)

And rofl sai, always gotta have that last stab eh? xD

[ARNOTA]

Ok i have found a way to settle this! we will use the tactic of how we settle things in marian! everyone who is mad that the claw is changed and wants it changed back to refunds or is just mad in general gets on the red side of pvp. Everyone that is happy about it changing because they know its for the good of the community and even though they themselves might have lost some stats from claw they can accept that the stat lose is ok because it helps sos community as a whole go on the blue side of the pvp! Then fight it out and what ever team is left standing is the side that is right!

[shellbullet101]

Ok i have found a way to settle this! we will use the tactic of how we settle things in marian! everyone who is mad that the claw is changed and wants it changed back to refunds or is just mad in general gets on the red side of pvp. Everyone that is happy about it changing because they know its for the good of the community and even though they themselves might have lost some stats from claw they can accept that the stat lose is ok because it helps sos community as a whole go on the blue side of the pvp! Then fight it out and what ever team is left standing is the side that is right!

XD i wonder who will win

[shiabell]

OFF TOPIC:



LOL @ =3!!! (isn't he such a short guy??)

And rofl sai, always gotta have that last stab eh? xD

haha Varn u know u wanna give 5 stars for his dancing kitteh xD and hes not short just... alittle under the table get it heh heh heh >>;;; ok ill stop xD anyways I like to know the reason how trolls came to existence watching the stuff on that channel has opened me up as to why ppl troll on the internet. but also some vids are much more hilarious then americans funniest home videos xD haha. I can has exp???


Ok i have found a way to settle this! we will use the tactic of how we settle things in marian! everyone who is mad that the claw is changed and wants it changed back to refunds or is just mad in general gets on the red side of pvp. Everyone that is happy about it changing because they know its for the good of the community and even though they themselves might have lost some stats from claw they can accept that the stat lose is ok because it helps sos community as a whole go on the blue side of the pvp! Then fight it out and what ever team is left standing is the side that is right!

if this actually hapened in adeline this battle would b one battle i would love to participate in xD i rarely go into pvp but to support the balance of this game my angel lord is at ur services blue team xD

[agha_torab]

Blue would win of course, the red side's claws have low atk ;/

[fattygirl]

Its not about stats, they can do what they like. Just compensate or refund those who bought 1 thing and got another. Allow exchange for something more useful.

[inferno0128]

rofl that would be fun actually ... pvp "for claw" vs "not for claw" - i'd probably go with not for claw ... lol.

[saiguru]

White Claw used to be my break dancing nickname back in the 80's, so of course i bought something around like 2 and one half years worth of this item. And then i equip it and it looks like an albino mole's claw from some trippy halucination inspired fanzine commemorating ricki-ticki-tavi that was shut down not too long after the author realized hat ricki-ticki-tavi was in fact a mongoose.

not a mole. i did get a refund on the fanzine.

but what sucks haji is this: i dint care about the stats i cared that it looked like a tiger claw to coincide with my break dancing nick i earned from pulling out tight backspin right into a head plant. yknow, just owning that cardboard, right? the description says TIGER CLAW but it looks like a MOLE claw. i want my moneys back stat i have 2 years woth of this thing, 2 years of having terminal MOLE ARM!

[noukie_beast]

Why do people buy years worth of digital goods? It's 100% not worth it. Ever. The risk is gigantic: the items aren't even real, and you don't even know if you'll be playing or if the servers are even up years down the line.

[BellaAnimorum]

Sadly, sarcasm is utterly lost on the internet...

Lol.

[agha_torab]

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv211/kordo_vos/EpicFail02.jpg

[dylanangel]

All I can say is go read the TOS that you agreed to when you started playing this game. States they can change ANY aspect of this game without informing you. You all were informed be thankful for that ;)

[CSR_Circe]

Please see http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246479 for more information

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