Anyone else fed up with the snobs?

[Atmor]

Let me start by saying that I usually don't go around bashing people, and I try not to make generalizations unless everyone I meet does the same thing. With that said, let my rant begin!

Okay so I usually play on Bijou, but when it is down I go to Teva where I started playing this game. The main reason I left was because of all the people who think they are all high and mighty, just because they have a higher level character. Well when Bijou was down recently, I went back to Teva. On Teva I always play my cleric who is currently level 25. Now on the Bijou server I have a similar cleric that is level 23 now, and can get a party anywhere (even cp sometimes). On Teva however, I went to CP and asked for a party, including my level in my shout, and they all laughed at me. I somewhat expected this as I am always surprised to get a party there, even on Bijou. Next I went to MT, asked for a party, and once again they laughed at me. This I never expected. I didn't understand, so I asked why I wasn't good enough, and they just made fun of me, said if I wanted to be here that I should just solo (as it turned out I was already soloing while talking to these snobs, and told them so). I just couldn't believe it. After a little while I asked again, and this time I got a party. I was partyed with this mage who was questing, and after a few minutes I realized that it was on free allocation instead of sequencial, so I asked him to change it. To my surprise he just ignored me and went about his business. So I asked him again, and he still ignored me. So I plainly told him to change it or I wouldn't party with him, so he banned me from the party. After that I shouted my level, that I was looking for a party, and that it needed to be on sequencial allocation. After I did this they once again laughed at me, saying that a cleric of my level shouldn't be asking for drops at all.

Now tell people, why would I not want drops? I think it is only fair that everyone who helps should get some of the loot. Even when I play my fighter, I always put it on sequencial because I know the pain of not getting anything. I am a firm believer in sequencial allocation, and I think it should be standard.

On another note, Teva needs to get it's head out of it's ***. Just because you are a higher level, or have been playing longer, doesn't neccesarily mean you are better or less nooby. I left Teva because of the snobs, and everytime Bijou is down, I get reminded of that.

[Xanthros]

-snip-
I went back to Teva. On Teva I always play my cleric who is currently level 25. Now on the Bijou server I have a similar cleric that is level 23 now, and can get a party anywhere (even cp sometimes). On Teva however, I went to CP and asked for a party, including my level in my shout, and they all laughed at me.
-snip-


A 23 in CP is way too small, to be honest with you - as a mid 3x cleric built to take a good beating I've still died quite a bit there with full party. I'm surprised that they laughed at you in MT at that level.. if you need one to grind with in MT, I may be able to put together a party of sane people that are intelligent. Let me know, and I'll do what I can to work something out for ya :D

X-

[Atmor]

Well I was the lone cleric in a party with a level 38 (at the time) tanker (and other DDs), and I kept up the healing just fine at level 18, with the occasional slip below half health.

[Link2.0]

Sorry u feel that way, but their are ppl out their who do that. It happened to me alot with my cleric when i was lv15 and asked for help, but everyone just said i had to pay them at least 1 silver for them to help me on my quest. Now im lv 24 and help new ppl for free and give them free items that help them weekly. I hope ppl will change

[XpierulesX]

Goblin forever FTW :3

[R.e.n]

I'm sorry D; I'm just level 5, hence not much help, but I've had people do that to me on other games.

Hopefully things will get better :)

[Bubblezio]

Lol. Yes, theres people like that.
Your situation is like mine in my KQ today. xD
I joined at level 6 (needing the exp only v_v") Invited to a party, then banned from a party & also called a noob by a few..These are levels 10~14 too.. x3
Nice people these days~
~_~

The next KQ I joined had very nice people in it. It really just depends on who you meet I believe. There are some who are really nice, and would set things to sequential allocation..and some who are.. 'selfish' and set it to free allocation.

[Jhanniss]

On Teva I always play my cleric who is currently level 25. Now on the Bijou server I have a similar cleric that is level 23 now, and can get a party anywhere (even cp sometimes). On Teva however, I went to CP and asked for a party, including my level in my shout, and they all laughed at me.


In a sense I don't blame them for laughing since the area is 30+ easily. Yes you can sometimes find groups in there for such a low level but even 25s have trouble in MT, or even VT for that matter let alone CP.




and this time I got a party. I was partyed with this mage who was questing, and after a few minutes I realized that it was on free allocation instead of sequencial, so I asked him to change it. To my surprise he just ignored me and went about his business. So I asked him again, and he still ignored me. So I plainly told him to change it or I wouldn't party with him, so he banned me from the party.


Again, look at what you just said, he was QUESTING. That usually means looking for stuff that is no transferable. I do the same thing and I guess there's a lot of players running around who have never quested before and don't understand this. When you group with someone questing don't expect the sequential. That's pretty much common knowledge. Why should I have to put it on sequential and risk giving you my non-transferable quest drops. I don't feel like counting and watching what goes to whom and who gets next. Thank you but no. As for him kicking you out, I don't blame him. He took you in as a courtesy during his questing and you were demanding to him. If it was a GROUP then I can understand the need for it but questing is just rude to ask someone to sequential when it will risk their drops going to people who don't even need it.



After that I shouted my level, that I was looking for a party, and that it needed to be on sequencial allocation. After I did this they once again laughed at me, saying that a cleric of my level shouldn't be asking for drops at all.


Now THAT is wrong on the players end. In groups there should be sequential as its fair to everyone. Especially clerics.



On another note, Teva needs to get it's head out of it's ***. Just because you are a higher level, or have been playing longer, doesn't neccesarily mean you are better or less nooby. I left Teva because of the snobs, and everytime Bijou is down, I get reminded of that.


Unfortunately snobs will exist in every server. I recon Bijou will have that happen eventually since its always on the top of the list of servers. I know many 'snobs' who moved to Teva who I can assume it's only a matter of time. >.<

[Trebori]

You generally find these type of people on weekends. 99% of the time it is "Wild Packs of Pre-puberty boys" that are afraid to go outside because some 13 year old girl is waiting out there to beat them up. So, they play MMO's and act all high and mighty because it is the only place where they think they can get away with it. :)

[Neightking]

You generally find these type of people on weekends. 99% of the time it is "Wild Packs of Pre-puberty boys" that are afraid to go outside because some 13 year old girl is waiting out there to beat them up. So, they play MMO's and act all high and mighty because it is the only place where they think they can get away with it. :)

I laughed out loud at that one Trebori

As far as sequential goes during questing i will agree that it needs to be on free for the quest items. Having said that, it does not mean that the quester has to auto pick all drops. Take the quest items and split the rest of the loot even stevens manually.

[devilishsoul999]

Yeah i totally agree i had some of the same experiences when i was 26 i went to MT to look for a party but was turned down in a humiliating way they kept on saying that they already have a cleric who can tank and they dont need a low levler like me to join but somehow i kept asking and finally got a great party with some nice ladies they really helped me out all the way Kudos to the women in Teva Coz they sure have hearts of Gold!!

By the way bro if you ever need a party and if im free ill be glad to help ...even with your quests

yours truly

[Link2.0]

Your quite the ladies man!lol But yeah Its pretty nice your helpin ppl out. I help out newppl though,so i dont have time to help higher lv ppl

[Alektos]

Hrm. Every server has this problem eventually. I often go down to lower level areas to help new people and it still makes me mad when I hear someone smacking another down. Usually in the lower areas I take off my armor and ask if anyone needs help. (When I play my fighter in Apoline.) Often I'll get a laugh or two, but usually I get a party and enjoy helping the others. As a Cretz-ite I'm a big advocate of helping others and diplomacy.

[Summit]

Every game you play people will have big over sized egos why? well in beta cases its those who are tight with the gms, tight as in their heads so far up the gm's a** you cant tell whether the gm is a quadroped or if the player lost his keys up there, People specially the higher levels who take over the good events by either having their guild camp spawns or mass crowd around drops are just plain a**holes and reason why i left the game, because I TRIED to set an example of helping lower levels hell i even witnessed a few people doing so I even gave those people 50s for helping, but all these high level we know it all (yet you dont know jack crap because you only know how to kiss a gms a**) ruin games EVERY game. Though I still never understood it i guess its nice to degrate people ONLINE THROUGH PIXELS (ooo whos the big man now?) Like the poster said...well let me rephrase it to my terms, act mature ot gtfo? I too am sick of people tho think their "cool" for bossing around new players or as snobs say "newbs" everyone was one once so...If see you snobs on a game I out class out level you and see you picking on new people. (Well If i see anyone on Teva picking on new people I usually just gw' their guild and dominate) ;) defender of the free? but anywho...quick being a ***** make the game more enjoyable and get off your high horse is a fu**ing game for christ sake.

[Link2.0]

Amen brother,Amen

[Alektos]

-Stares, eyes glassy.- That was all very disjointed and yet made sense...

[SiphoneiMillei]

Whew. Summit....Sheesh. Take some breaths man! We can't have you dead because you suffocated for ranting! *Hugs!*

I guess I just log in at different hours than the snobs...but I haven't met very many. I tend to log on in the overnight US hours. Around 12pm EST, if I ain't working overtime (Which I will be til Wednesday, and then probably Saturday and Sunday...There went my effing 4 day weekend).

But I can often be found helping lower levels. I strip and dequip my weapon and shield and run around like a newb myself. :)

Then people are like..."Woah....you gotta be like level 50"

To which I laugh and just point out I am only in my 30s. :rolleyes:

They usually ask for advice, so I give them some.

I'm with devilish, if you ever need to party, and are on during the graveyard hours (Pun not intended), I can probably be found in Moonlight or Vine, unless I am crazy enough to go into Goblin Camp with some friends. >.<

I usually help with quests, boss kills and such. But don't ask me to go into Graveyard of the Dead....Nooooooo! I will only go in there once more if Aegrimonia still wants his ZK, other than that, never again! Hate that place.

[Tasuke]

Most of Teva's community is made up of 12 year olds. I don't see too many nice people on Teva to be honest.

[MiseryIndex]

*** is with people being such snobs!!

Welcome to the Internet.. http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Link2.0]

If this game was PvsP, their would be alot of dead bodies.lol

[hazeal]

It is hard to get parties way out of your level unless you know players. Part of the reason for it is that on Teva at least most of the higher lvl players tend to either be a cleric or to have clerics on their list. That said a good cleric of any level is always a great find. Honestly if I see someone who is lvl 25 or lower in CP I do suggest that they go to MT not to be cruel or snobbish because you do not earn that much more exp at CP and you tend to go through more stones and pots. If I am not in a party I will even go with other people to help them with quests or even train. Heck if the party I am in is made of buddies or guildmates most times the whole group will go help because we remember what it is like.

Yes there are alot of teenagers out in the game but quite alot of them tend to be quite mature and good for their age, where some of the adults can not even act their shoe size...... If you check around you will find that most of the mature players (by the way they act not their ages) tend to be in guilds with similar minded people. Summit's list of goodie guilds gives you a great lead on which guilds have people that will help out. If you find someone that is in one of the guilds ask them about parties or if any of their guildmates might be interested in a party. The guild I am in (TemplarKnights) always tries to help out where we can and we have people on almost 24/7, but I also know that HolyHandgrenade also goes out of their way to help others.

Personally when I take my cleric out tanking I *appreciate* having a 2nd cleric there of any level because if I stop hitting a monster it will go after the mages or archers in my party so that makes it hard to heal the others at times and keep an eye on my own health. However, there are also times where I do not actively party with lower levels but I will sit there and heal them as they fight especially if they were attacked by a monster alot higher. People who party with me laugh but tend to be good humored about it and wait patiently and some fighters will use some of the skills to lower the def of said monsters so that the people fighting them have a better chance. It is amazing how *few* people say thank you or do anything other than complain when you do that even though if we tried to physically help all that would happen is that the person that had been going through the hassle of killing the monster would get less exp since it would count as a "ks". I have actually seen fighters in an effort to help someone who was taking a beating snare kick (taunt) a monster not so that the fighter could attack the monster but so that the original person could attack safely while the monster was damaging the fighter.

As far as the allocation goes, I do not think most people realise how bad it gets at times especially for the characters not in the frontline. Yes having a cleric in your party saves you on pots or stones, but we do not have that luxury so healing in a party is an out of pocket expense if we dont get drops. Hmmmm lets think for a second, I get to work like a dog keeping your character alive and I get to pay for the privelege? OMG sign me up for it now!!! Personally when I am in those situations I leave the party, my time is better spent soloing then being used and abused that way. I agree when questing it is easier to leave it on free allocation, but early on something one of my favorite fighter's (Franknizzle) did in those cases has stuck with me- if I am questing for a non-transferable item then while it is on free allocation that item(s) is *all* I pick up. I have found that doing it that way has led to party mates purposely leaving drops for me to pick up as well because they do not feel that they have to grab everything in sight just to get some spoils. I also inform party mates about what I am hunting and how many of an item I need. Once I am done with the quest (and so are any others) allocation goes back to sequential. Things like allocation are not the other area where parties show a lack of courtesy to other players. Even worse is the many times when a cleric is in a grinding party the other members will rush from monster to monster without giving time for mushroom breaks so you can save on stones and pots or even considering that another party member might like a second to run to the bathroom or get a drink.

People need to remember that this game is designed to where all the classes work together to get the best possible advantage in gaining exp.

[Link2.0]

Hey im in the HolyHandgrenade=)! But yeah, mature guilds will help if they can (I only decline if im already helping some1 else)

In fact I started to give out things to new ppl like $,enhanced weapons,items and such to new ppl who need these things for free.people already asked if they can join and give out things to ppl, so i accepted them.

back to point, Their will be some ppl who act like their high and mighty. Like when i was in guild war , ppl tried their new moves on me and laughed at me. But i know i cant abondan a person in need. So if u do good things for ppl, good things will happen to you. At least thats what i think....

[lightningmystix]

As an archer, I basically hate it when people leave it on free allocation, and hate it even MORE when I ask them to put it on sequential and they refuse.
As an archer, I'll never get to the frontline and pick up the items quick enough (unless I'm tanking). It's extremely annoying.
These "almighty" people think they're the best, but they have to remember, they once started out at lvl 1. They aren't born at lvl 5x >.> Sheesh.
One thing to remember though, we can't call all high people annoying. One day we'll reach there too xD

[ccurry]

I do not mind helping ppl. However, I do not like random invites. If you need help ask me and if I am not busy I am always willing to help. I am leery when accepting invites. I have had my fair share of random invites that ended with me dying. So all of you out there just ask first.





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Teva-Mage-lvl 32-Blaid
Teva-Cleric-lvl 18- LiL1

[Semaj]

I do not mind helping ppl. However, I do not like random invites. If you need help ask me and if I am not busy I am always willing to help. I am leery when accepting invites. I have had my fair share of random invites that ended with me dying. So all of you out there just ask first.
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Teva-Mage-lvl 32-Blaid
Teva-Cleric-lvl 18- LiL1


i agree, i VERY rarely accept random party invites. i usually only will if im in my noob clothes in SOG or other area out to help the lower lv players with Mara or other quests.

that being said, i usually solo in CP, VP, GC because i can. if im in a party its usually with guild mates, or people that i know.

if you ever play on Teva again, hit me up. or any of the Templar Knights, if we're not in the middle of something we're happy to help :)

[Tamlinari]

You generally find these type of people on weekends. 99% of the time it is "Wild Packs of Pre-puberty boys" that are afraid to go outside because some 13 year old girl is waiting out there to beat them up. So, they play MMO's and act all high and mighty because it is the only place where they think they can get away with it. :)

Or after school.
That is so true.
Their level in their RPG is the biggest thing in their life and that is mostly because they are so socially inept in real life.
They equate level with power, authority and social status over others because in real life they are generally the kind of guys (or girls) that avoid sports or any kind of psychical activity, have low self esteem, avoid talking to girls (or guys) in person because they are fearful of rejection and lack social skills due to spending too much time living vicariously through an imaginary character.

There are also the ones that will often sexually harass other players if they think that the player is really a girl because they reason that as payback so to speak for being rejected by the opposite sex in real life.
Suddenly they realize that they can say anything they want to whoever they want without fear of retribution and with complete anonymity (or so they believe)

If they start the condescending stuff with me I usually just ignore them but if they become verbally abusive, all I need do is remind them of the kind of person they are in real life and they usually back off real fast.
Suddenly they don't want a confrontation with me anymore.
LOL

[Link2.0]

LOL, yes i agree with you. People harass others cuz they have no life and take it out on others on games.

[wisepimp]

lol, were you talking in public/normal chat? cuz most people block that chat and they might not see that you want seq drops. That chat is usually filled with bots spamming S> gold.

[AriesMehjor]

Im sorry that your experience in Teva is getting to the point where the snobs are coming out.

But I promise you there are a good lot of nice people over the age of 12 and teeny bopper that are ready and willing to be human towards other players.

Me myself if you ever see me in game, I'm not an Angel, but I'm not an A@#$hole unless you do somthing to work my nerves. But thats with anyone, you make em mad and they do crazy sh@!#$. But thats ok, thats the human condition and life in general.

Now...you said you were lvl 23 as it were. From my experiences the snobs are everywhere no matter what lvl high or low.

There are some players in this game that are known as good players, good to talk to, funny, sarcastic, smart, leaders, honest, humble, and wise. Chances of finding them are one in a good lot. I allways take the time to speak back to someone no matter what there lvl is, its just respect, you gotta give it to earn it.

But you'll probably see more of that as you lvl up and progress through the game....you'll find more people that try to be Authoritative, just because they have a little virtual man that has a number 50 by its picture.

Point, its a little virtual man/girl. Made of pixels and memory space. It can take years to make, seconds to delete.

You also chose the job of cleric, good class, just dont let the snobbyness of others rub off on you. Ive been in Teva since OB started not too long ago, and I gotta say, there are alot of players that chose your class and fighter class just to be jerks. Dont let em get to you.

I've seen some of Summits lists and was thinking about starting an honorable mention thread for people who are known to be human good citizens of Teva.
These people are ppl you see everyday online just being themselves, good or bad. These are not the popular crowd, you know the ones that just get looked up to because they have certain items or skills or BUFFS! These are common folk that stand out in a crowd and make good friends and are allways ready and willing to have a conversation and help out and are Generally Fun people to be around.

And no...these arent people on your friend lists, they might be, but mostly trying to focus on people that are just good citizens and mature players.
NO SNOBS! But if you think you are a snob, its never too late to be humble.

[Link2.0]

I think u have a pretty good idea their!=)

[AngellicDiety]

It was tough reading everyones posts, but heres my take on it.

I am guilty for refusing to help newbi's. Why? Well they constantly harass me about it. I help those who dont solicite help. Thats my policy...

[neekomasochist]

I'm from Teva. And I rather agree with the whole head-up-a**e thing.

I have both a cleric and a mage. And I participate in the Slime KQ often. I've met some great people and some complete and utter tw**s.

I was constantly called a n00b by a Lv10 cleric during one quest, despite being a Lv15 Mage and certainly doing hell-loads more damage than he was. He was one of the TWO, that's right, TWO clerics in the group and no matter how much everyone shouted at him he kept telling them to f-off.

In the end he finished by calling everyone a n00b after we all died fighting the king, in about 1 minute, because he couldn't be bothered healing anyone and insisted in being the tank despite having half the defence of one of our Fighters.

So, anyway, yeh, you can meet some real anal people on Teva. I do my best while on both my cleric and mage to help people. While on my Cleric, I heal people who may need it, and with my mage the only real thing I can do is assist-KS when someone is completely swamped with Agro's. But even then sometimes I get flamed for Ksing even though they would most likely have DIED.

[Atmor]

I must thank you all for your input. I must also thank the TemplarKnights for saying to look them up the next time I am on Teva, I might just do that. I am also aware that not everyone is a snob or stuck up or whatnot, just that the majority of my experiance there has been bad at best. I have to say there are VERY few people that I have found on any server that I would dare call my friend. On Bijou there is someone very close to my heart, my very dear friend skyrex. I must say he has been the nicest player I have ever met in my entire gaming life. He has put up with my cleric since level 18 when he took me to CP (I did not ask to go there, I had never even been near that gat before then) and I believe he has called me one of the best damn clerics he has ever seen. He is my hero, and one day I will be able to return the favors he has given me by following in his footsteps and helping others that require help.

[joecracker]

listen guys i dont mind helping lower levels form time to time, but cp and uruga are getting flooded by too low of lvl to be there

if u cant dolo at least one of the mobs there 1 vs 1 u might be over your head

its funny to see the low lvls try to ks and we quit holding aggro and they die in one hit lol

[DrowMistress]

There are always horrible people, no matter where you go. It's a rule of existance and sad. I go into MT often and sometimes get a good person who wants me to heal them while they grind. BH is harder for me to find people for a party, and I don't really know why. Even when I was a level 23, the people in MT were nore likely to help me than at BH. -shrugs- It just depends on who you meet.

Good luck in the future. If you ever need someone to grind with when you're on Teva, whisper TwistedRain, and hopefully I'll be on. ^^ That offer stands to anybody.

[Trebori]

I must also thank the TemplarKnights for saying to look them up the next time I am on Teva, I might just do that.

I am one of those "Templar Knights" :)

Great guild! almost all (if not all)mature adults. You won't see any TK guild pulling any of those rude stunts. If they do? We will show them the door! :)

[academics03]

I don't know if I've seen that happen before, I know that sometimes while I'm in an area fighting I see shouts for a party, but I never find out if they're answered.
I'd like to think I'm not one of the snobs, if someone asks me a question and I know they're directing it at me (and I'm not in the spam-laden towns) then I answer. If someone's dying and I know they are I heal them or revive them, sometimes I even run back through lower level areas just to see if there's anyone along the way or help someone kill mara or marlone.
I don't do a lot past that though. I've had too many cases in games where I helped someone out and then they clung to me like glue begging for handouts the second I came online, and there's nothing like the feeling of greed and guild you get from having to tell someone no -.-

Oh and as far as burning hill, maybe its the times I'm on but I hardly see more then six people or a small marlone party there now, maybe that's why you get no responses.

[Ducksoon]

i feel that, and nice pic on your signature

[KireiYosei]

People are rude about that stuff because most of the time, when people that are too low for an area ask for a party, they usually want a powerlevel, and they usually don't contribute much. If you're too low for a monster, you will miss a lot when attacking, andi f you get attacked, you die in one hit which can be a burden. I personally am against low levels in higher areas, but I'm not a jerk to them unless they're a jerk to me.

[CrystalKitten92]

well. it wasnt too bad for a lvl 23 cleric to be partying in CP lol. i have a cleric friend who did thaat,and she was below lvl 23 at that time lol. but she got her party anyway. i think u need to call out to the nice people on your friends list n guild list lol XD they should be happy enough to help. good friends are everythin to plvling XD it helps alot tho.

but u can always request those people to leave you some items to pick lol. thats what i do. lol. i make my friends pick xD cus i have my bunch of friends who arent very actively picking or anything lol. so when they are in party. if its on free allocation, i pick only a few items n ask them to pick XD 'PICK lol' XDDDD maybe its courtesy lol. but sequential allocation is not realy wanted especially when u are questing for ur item that is needed just goes to others inventories n its like OMG NOOOOO (cus some quest items arent transferrable) lol. then again. stupid ksers who just comes along n ks away ur item when u ask ur friend to pick. buncha assholes. yep. im totally fed up with them

[TwoHandGun]

There should be such a useless thread in the begining

[violence]

A 23 in CP is way too small, to be honest with you - as a mid 3x cleric built to take a good beating I've still died quite a bit there with full party. I'm surprised that they laughed at you in MT at that level.. if you need one to grind with in MT, I may be able to put together a party of sane people that are intelligent. Let me know, and I'll do what I can to work something out for ya :D

X-

i have a cleric not my main but i could solo harkans at lvl 27 with it yes it took a long time but i still did it if all they are doing is healing shouldnt be any problem for them to duo with some one in cp

[Chandie]

I've started this over a dozen times now because I always end up ranting. lol
So short and sweet if you have trouble at Teva with snobs or whatever try Apoline. I have clerics on both servers but rarely ever play Teva. Look me up if you need help.
I'm PaigeH on Apoline or Chandie on Teva.

[LatinoHeat]

lmao anyway dont worry if u plan on powerlvling thats ur problem and u get those responses if u cant wit to get to those maps sorry but hey we didnt get their in a day

[Scadel]

don't expect to ask for a party at CP and not be laughed at.
the mobs there are level 50 anyway. (monster level)

imagine you as a 25 cleric, taking care of a full party, can you heal enough to make sure the party stays alive? no one wants to lose exp.

as for mt, its faster for youto solo . no point partying with others and geting lower exp.

my 2 cents.

as for allocation, the guy questing added you outta courtesy to let you get some xp, you should aleady be thankful for that. i'd be annoyed of my quest items keep going to someone else whom is stealing my xp already.

welcome to the gaming worldof mmos where almost everyone is a dumb snob.

i'd help you out anytime though, come to uruga and shoot a shout for me. i like to party low leveled clerics. :D

[Yodaman]

First off, I know this thread has been dead for a couple weeks, and even though I only read about the first 20 posts, I found they were all good posts on a topic that is rampant among MMOGs. I've been playing MMOGs for about 10 years now, and I can honestly say that this behavior exists in every single one I've played. From UO, to EQ, to Eve, and SWG.... and even to Fiesta. It's also not limited to pre-pubescents behaving that way as I've seen people claiming to be my age (getting too close to 40 now) acting the same way.

Personally, I am like so many others of the 'good people' that play. I help others, I don't ks, I use manners (including pls and ty). While I understand why looting should be set to Free for the questing purposes, I also believe the other loots should have been split manually (if necessary, maybe I would mention that I could really use the dusts, or scroll mats, and go on from there). As for CP and levels to be there..... my Main is a lvl 37 fighter right now, and this past evening, my friend that introduced me to the game but plays much less than I do, happened to be in the game for a while and I told her I'd help powerlevel her a bit. Her character is a lvl 23 cleric, and I know she could handle healing me in Uruga if I could get her there safely, because I was soloing there last night (just cost too many stones and pots). With her healing me, even though she was 14 levels below me, I was full health always, unless fighting 2+ mobs at once, and she was enjoying the ~250xp per kill. Yes, if some 'newbs' (aka: arrogant higher level, think-they-know-it-alls) trained on us (happened 4 times in an hour and a half), she'd be one-hit dead.

And, (yes I know it's improper grammar) I'm reminded of a certain fighter I've been on a couple Mara KQs with on my cleric. The guy acts like the average 5th grader I've experienced and is all 'I'm so Uber' and 'I so pwnzr'....... and I just want to let him die cause he's so annoying. He obviously uses his mom's credit card for the costume he had on, and probly even to buy money on one of those Gold for Cash sites. It's truly pathetic....

Anyways, I had to leave midway thru this post to kick Robo's but in kq, so lost my train of thought and need sleep bad. I'll be back! You've been warned.

[seluna]

To be truthful, I don't like seeing people lower than level 30 in Collapsed Prison asking to be leveled. Especially if they are lower than 15. I feel that it's somewhere along the lines of a shortcut and isn't very fair to people who work themselves through the maps up.

They have their maps where they can level safely in, where they can fully enjoy the game with quests and dungeons of their own level. If they don't like to grind, there are Kingdom Quests that they can go to. King Slime and Mara Pirates KQ are pretty easy to get in, and I practically leveled on them. Why skip all that and go to some higher level grounds and ask other people to level you? Especially if you aren't going to be very useful and can practically be just leeching.

However, I honestly don't mind if people are brought to higher level places by their friends. Hell, I wouldn't have been in Collapsed Prison at all if my friends didn't take me there first. At least when you're with friends, you will try your best to help and they will understand if you keep accidentally dying.

What really ticks me off is when a lower level person stand around, ask for party to no avail, then eventually attempts to steal your kills. Those are the really irritating ones.

[Yodaman]

Oh, I couldnt agree more..... earlier before my last post, in CP I saw a lvl 17 fighter keep trying to invite me and begging everyone to let him in they're group...... now that I can't stand...... is no better than the beggars in town wanting you to get something for them like a new weapon or a few silver. But I know they too will always be in MMOGs.

[Asheer]

17 in CP:eek:?, then i belive he have been very fast Collapsed Person there.

I wonder if possible is to develop somekind of system preventing low lvl entering high lvl areas?

I have seen couple of times when some newbie in Roumen entering Sea of Greed and of course after first contact whit boogey land in sand.

I dont known if i can call them beggars but i fell really bad when i see how most people behave when see someone from Outspark GM's or CR's.
-Give me this, give me that...:(, not to mention reactions after events when they dont get pets or any other gifts.
But what jack havent learn then John will not known, most KIDS plaing here have no idea what to mean earn something, they think that all is for free and if they demand something then they must this have.

"Bad things are happend in Isya kingdom... ;) ".

[kira1211]

I agree with u. But still, a lvl 25-ish low for CP. Tevans are.... somewhat.. stuck up. I tell some of them not to ks and they just ignore me and may sometimes call me names. I mean, sure there are some nice ppl in Teva but so far, I haven't seen much of them.
I have my main character in Apoline, but she takes too long to lvl.... lvl 40+ is HARD to lvl! D:

[kira1211]

To be truthful, I don't like seeing people lower than level 30 in Collapsed Prison asking to be leveled. Especially if they are lower than 15. I feel that it's somewhere along the lines of a shortcut and isn't very fair to people who work themselves through the maps up.

They have their maps where they can level safely in, where they can fully enjoy the game with quests and dungeons of their own level. If they don't like to grind, there are Kingdom Quests that they can go to. King Slime and Mara Pirates KQ are pretty easy to get in, and I practically leveled on them. Why skip all that and go to some higher level grounds and ask other people to level you? Especially if you aren't going to be very useful and can practically be just leeching.

However, I honestly don't mind if people are brought to higher level places by their friends. Hell, I wouldn't have been in Collapsed Prison at all if my friends didn't take me there first. At least when you're with friends, you will try your best to help and they will understand if you keep accidentally dying.

What really ticks me off is when a lower level person stand around, ask for party to no avail, then eventually attempts to steal your kills. Those are the really irritating ones.

Agreed. Almost everytime a solo in either Uruga or CP, low lvls are always there asking/spamming for parties. It really does tick me off.

[Eluchil]

Let me start by saying that I usually don't go around bashing people, and I try not to make generalizations unless everyone I meet does the same thing. With that said, let my rant begin!

Okay so I usually play on Bijou, but when it is down I go to Teva where I started playing this game. The main reason I left was because of all the people who think they are all high and mighty, just because they have a higher level character. Well when Bijou was down recently, I went back to Teva. On Teva I always play my cleric who is currently level 25. Now on the Bijou server I have a similar cleric that is level 23 now, and can get a party anywhere (even cp sometimes). On Teva however, I went to CP and asked for a party, including my level in my shout, and they all laughed at me. I somewhat expected this as I am always surprised to get a party there, even on Bijou. Next I went to MT, asked for a party, and once again they laughed at me. This I never expected. I didn't understand, so I asked why I wasn't good enough, and they just made fun of me, said if I wanted to be here that I should just solo (as it turned out I was already soloing while talking to these snobs, and told them so). I just couldn't believe it. After a little while I asked again, and this time I got a party. I was partyed with this mage who was questing, and after a few minutes I realized that it was on free allocation instead of sequencial, so I asked him to change it. To my surprise he just ignored me and went about his business. So I asked him again, and he still ignored me. So I plainly told him to change it or I wouldn't party with him, so he banned me from the party. After that I shouted my level, that I was looking for a party, and that it needed to be on sequencial allocation. After I did this they once again laughed at me, saying that a cleric of my level shouldn't be asking for drops at all.

Now tell people, why would I not want drops? I think it is only fair that everyone who helps should get some of the loot. Even when I play my fighter, I always put it on sequencial because I know the pain of not getting anything. I am a firm believer in sequencial allocation, and I think it should be standard.

On another note, Teva needs to get it's head out of it's ***. Just because you are a higher level, or have been playing longer, doesn't neccesarily mean you are better or less nooby. I left Teva because of the snobs, and everytime Bijou is down, I get reminded of that.

There's a lot of people who take the game seriously and confuse it for real life, apparently. I'd like to think it's only the younger players (teenagers and tweens) that do this, given their immaturity and world perspective, but the older ones fall into this kind of blatant shallowness as well.

Being a higher level doesn't make you anything except a person who spends a lot of time playing an online computer game. These people are diluted. I would also say these people are definitely not worth getting worked up over as they clearly have some kind of behavioral issues beyond your control. But, understandably, dealing with them is by no means enjoyable either...

I would suggest speaking with a GM and see what options you have -- outside of chewing someone's *** out on a recurring basis or leaving the game.

[jwarner]

Being a higher level doesn't make you anything except a person who spends a lot of time playing an online computer game. These people are diluted. I would also say these people are definitely not worth getting worked up over as they clearly have some kind of behavioral issues beyond your control. But, understandably, dealing with them is by no means enjoyable either...

................ Ummm, I'd say that's a pretty bold and unfair statement to be making. Stereotyping can be a dangerous business. Don't forget... there are two sides to every argument. Yes, there ARE high level "diluted" "snobs" out there, but there ARE ALSO low level whiners (I call them that). Too many times have I had lower level characters come up to me and not only ask for, but demand that I power level them and give them money. Worse yet, if I reject or ignore their persistent belly-aching, some will go as far as KSing me to try and bend me to their will! Grinding/soloing for me can be really slow and disheartening at times like these.

However, with this said, I am not going to go as far as coming to the conclusion that ALL lower levels are n00bs and whiners. There are many good players out there, all levels alike.


As for the issue concerning dealing with "snobs" and selfish allocators: I think the simplest solution is to just get in the habit of forming your own party. Forming good parties is the quickest and surest way to gaining credibility and in-game friends (not to mention the perks of being in control :))

IMO: Any parties with back-line members (archers, mages, healers) should always have sequential allocation on.

MY PLEA TO ALL: Please remember to form parties in areas roughly within your own level range. If you are in an area where you can die in 1 or 2 hits, you probably shouldn't be there. Only go into high level places if you already have a party capable of grinding there or friends who are willing to help you.

[EchoSound]

I actually feel your pain quite heavily. Only I'm one of those so called 'higher crowd'. I stood in Uruga for a half hour (or more) and shouting that I needed a party. Here I am, a level 47 cleric, who heals just find in large parties (also with the occasional slip on a mages part, thanks to their poor def), and can't get a party. They all want 50+ clerics now, which is insulting because the skills aren't very different. Party buffs, that's it. And they don't even add much more. A lot of higher levels are jaded now, and rude. I have several friends who have gone to Uruga and asked for parties, and all turned down. In fact, someone offered my one friend a 13c scroll to Elderine just to get him out of their hair.

BTW for those out there... my cleric, at level 25, was leveled in CP from there through the 30's. So don't say its hard on clerics in their 20's to do, because it wasn't that difficult at all.

Any time you need party, let me know. My names are in my signatures, and I'll be happy to party you. =)