Wait what?

[ReplicaSwordsman]

Foreword: This topic is NOT to gloat/show off, so please do not flame me. I am also not mentioning any names.

Today while in the FBZ2 I was challenged by a 70 mage, who I beat 3 times and he beat me 1 time. I fought another 65 mage, who I beat 3 times. Then a 72 archer tried to PK me (which he did one time when I couldnt see him) and then I manages to get a revenge kill against him :/

So why is it I have so much trouble when it comes to other fighters? A 58 with what I think is pure END build can beat me with a +9 axe (I normally use 1hnd and shield).

I would like to point I myself and all chars mentioned here use +9s (except my shield) and other than this they were SC less fights.

Once again, not gloating, wondering why I have so much trouble? :/

[JOHNNYPOOPOOPANTS]

Fighters are dangerous when being used by a skilled player :)

[omni.knight]

when it comes to challenging us nined-fighters, being 10 lvls higher just doesn't cut out at times

[seredh]

I think most classes have strategies for dealing with all other classes, but trouble taking out their own. Seems that way to me, anyway.

Unless you're a cleric. No pwnage there, just "You go ahead and keep hitting me, I'm gonna go get a cup of tea. Tell me when you run out of sp stones!"

[Momishin]

*facepalm*

*sigh* Replicaaaa x.x


I think you're an awesome fighter so what you can't beat the other 5% of players thats 10 levels around your level whether it's high or lower. You still beat most people ^^

[ReplicaSwordsman]

when it comes to challenging us nined-fighters, being 10 lvls higher just doesn't cut out at times

I was thinking it may be +9 greens, which is why Im now on a huge green hunt for equips for the next few levels and buying all the 2 handed skills and such :/ hopefully it'll help me being a little less fail cos' NPC equips are basically obselte now

[apallday]

any fighter with godly greens or blues has a HUGE!!!! advantage against those that dont. you have to keep in mind that for every 1 point of end you get 1 def, same with spr you get 1 point extra mag def, str and dex come into play as well. so if you have 6x greens you def can very from 0 extra def with no end all the way up to 99 def with capped end. and thats just for 64 boots 66 helm and 68 pants. You add in shield,sword and shirt you can add another 100 or so def. so what im saying is a well geared fighter can have 200+ more def then a fighter whos gears fail. thats around 18 to 25% more. you can use the same formula for dex(eva,aim),spr(mag.def),str(dmg) so if someone has 25% more dmg then you guess who dies? If someone has 25% more def guess who lives? If someone has 25% more eva guess who gets hit more? if you corrdinate all this together one fighter at lvl 68 stands no chance against another fighter at 68. Thats what makes this game cool is because not only do you have to be experianced with your skills, know how and when to use them. You also have to have gear that can give you in advantage.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

which is what Im trying to do, my equips are all bad but now I have decent ones all lined up for lvl70 so I should start turning around then. Also have to sort out my build, as going 1:1:1 with STR:END: DEX is spreading me too thin :/

BTW if anyone sees me running around in mismatched armour its cos Im looking for the Diminish set and Im low on cash ATM XD

[lordpatty]

Gears have an almost as equal great effect as the player who is skilled. There's not much information about what kind of gears the mages, archer and fighters we're using but you've got to remember that mages have naturally weak def, even if they did went pure END because the stat growth is very different for mages and fighters.

So yeah, like seredh said, most classes tend to have difficulties owning the same as their own

[Negi31]

Just like it was previously stated, gears and skill make a susbtantial difference when it come to your PvP capabilities. As for the whole "fighting your own class difficulty" situation, it may just be me (probably only me), but I've had no problem beating other archers QQ.....having twice the standard average archer hp doesn't hurt too :x

P.S: I wish you the best of luck with selling your Swing Pants and Boots.

[rulhearted]

yea what they all say, its about the gear and how u use the skills, u try using the fighter debuffs to get and advantage 1st , since ppl usually go deva, powerhit 1st .-.

and for the mages i dont know much, i just starting to get the pvp part down x,x
all is being told its .. fear at half hp... lol x3

btw , its really hard to kill extended fighters ... even more when they have +9d jewelry (atleast for my mage .-. )>,> lol

[ReplicaSwordsman]

P.S: I wish you the best of luck with selling your Swing Pants and Boots.

Sold it last night, made a bit off it despite it having poor stats. Im amazed how many people prefer the swing set over the diminish really, but oh well everyone has their preferances.

So now to sum up everything Ive been told, gears and skill make a big difference in PvP. +9s give people the extra edge (especially +9'd gears). Plus ive been experimenting with moves now against strong monsters, having points on power hit is a lot more effective than slice n dice (even comparing a +9 1hnd to a +0 2hnd, the power hit skill still did more damage than the slice n dice skill).

[Mentaldud3]

What weapons do u use man :| 2h?? cause that will be a downfull instantly seeing that you have dex in your build already. Get rid of your END in build its pointless and take the route of END/DEX/SPR on all your gears for the best edge over all classes. Axe will always provide more damage and your dex will correct the aim difference on it, + getting certain green axes *forget name* will improve the aim on the item. Also boss weapons are always greater in power and stats.

If you got any questions feel free to ask me? Im not that great but meh!

[ReplicaSwordsman]

What weapons do u use man :| 2h?? cause that will be a downfull instantly seeing that you have dex in your build already. Get rid of your END in build its pointless and take the route of END/DEX/SPR on all your gears for the best edge over all classes. Axe will always provide more damage and your dex will correct the aim difference on it, + getting certain green axes *forget name* will improve the aim on the item. Also boss weapons are always greater in power and stats.

If you got any questions feel free to ask me? Im not that great but meh!

Well that's your point of view, I normally use the S/S combo as I mainly just go on to tank and PvE, axes are more purposeful to PvP with. There are so many opinions out there about which build is best and what gears to use that I don't just know what to do, so I'm in quite an experimental stage with build/gears ATM

Anyway, I challenged the same fighter to a fight yesterday (now a 60 warrior, Im 64) and with the full Diminish armour with good stats it took him about 4 minutes to kill me with an +9 axe. And the second fight took so long that he just gave up, so I have defence and evasion down, all Im lacking now is a total lack of power with the S/S combo.

BTW the green axes you were referring to are probably the BKR weapons, the axes have nasty aim on them