i feel being used.

[wewilldiein2010]

my main is a 93 mage and when i ask for pty in AR ppl always (i mean literally, always) ask if im charmed or can i use charm. sometime i lied i am charmed just to get into the pty, but most of the time i do have to charm up cause BB hits so hard i die like in 1 sec when pulling like 20 at a time. i just feel like we mages are being used. why do we need to charm to get in pty when other players in the pty arent even charmed? charm is not free u know. if mages have to charm, i think all player in the pty have to charm too. its like we spending dollars just to help other players lvl. if it werent for mages, i dont think there will be even 1 capped fighter or cleric right now.

[always7777]

omg how terrible ._. if it werent for clerics, then mages wouldnt be able to mob either o.0

and if it werent for fighters no one could tank effectively without +9 everything

O THE MADNESS

edit:
archers just need a speed scroll XD so they r left out D;

[wewilldiein2010]

omg how terrible ._. if it werent for clerics, then mages wouldnt be able to mob either o.0

and if it werent for fighters no one could tank effectively without +9 everything

O THE MADNESS

u dont need a fighter, but do need a cleric. a charm mage can kill 20 BB b4 they even get our HP to 0.

[chasemmorpg]

my main is a 93 mage and when i ask for pty in AR ppl always (i mean literally, always) ask if im charmed or can i use charm. sometime i lied i am charmed just to get into the pty, but most of the time i do have to charm up cause BB hits so hard i die like in 1 sec when pulling like 20 at a time. i just feel like we mages are being used. why do we need to charm to get in pty when other players in the pty arent even charmed? charm is not free u know. if mages have to charm, i think all player in the pty have to charm too. its like we spending dollars just to help other players lvl. if it werent for mages, i dont think there will be even 1 capped fighter or cleric right now.

I hate to say it (not really), but this is a berry self-important post.

I can and will guarantee that there are plenty of skilled and determined players out there who can cap with any class without any help and without sparkcash.

Mages are only 25% of the game.
Fighters are only 25% of the game.
Clerics are only 25% of the game.
Archers are only 25% of the game.

I'm a Cleric myself, but I recognize that there are players who can live without me [though sometimes they are being silly and demanding my aide anyways].

P.S. one of my favorite hobbies when I'm bored is healing other Clerics. Sometimes they get like really pissed off at me, others they talk to me like I'm some noob. It's funny as hell.

[always7777]

you don't need charms, they are just the easy way out =3

why do people buy cars? cause its easier and faster then walking...same concept in the end

[lordpatty]

I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't party with people who are dependant on charms. No, let me restate that. I wouldn't party with people who need charmed people. That just shows how nub these people are. Originally, the game was made so that you could play without charms. If people are so desperate to need to have their mage or any other class in their party charmed, then you've earned yourself a gold star with "Achievement for high lvl nub" being engraved on it.

[chasemmorpg]

Oh yeah... I'm looking for your mage.

i_am_rich
Teva (lvl 1)
Archer

live_or_die
Teva (lvl 1)
Mage

nub_pwn_pro
Teva (lvl 1)
Cleric

WeWillDIeIn2012
Teva (lvl 1)
Fighter

live_or_die is level one... This supposed to be a deviant alt or is this it?

[always7777]

of course it's an alt >> im sure this person realized beforehand how dumb their comment would be...yet they still posted =\ makes you think...

[wewilldiein2010]

I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't party with people who are dependant on charms. No, let me restate that. I wouldn't party with people who need charmed people. That just shows how nub these people are. Originally, the game was made so that you could play without charms. If people are so desperate to need to have their mage or any other class in their party charmed, then you've earned yourself a gold star with "Achievement for high lvl nub" being engraved on it.

i like getting into pty without being asked, are u charmed or can u use charm. D: it wasnt like this until the cap raise (105).

[wewilldiein2010]

Oh yeah... I'm looking for your mage.

i_am_rich
Teva (lvl 1)
Archer

live_or_die
Teva (lvl 1)
Mage

nub_pwn_pro
Teva (lvl 1)
Cleric

WeWillDIeIn2012
Teva (lvl 1)
Fighter

live_or_die is level one... This supposed to be a deviant alt or is this it?

on my main. this is a alt account to vender scrolls.

[Zaiks]

This is indeed very true. I've experienced the same kind of issue on mage. If you do have the money to charm up and/or get +9 gears, I suggest you solo instead of partying unless you happen to find a party you like. If you don't feel like spending that much on sc... good luck getting a decent party. Yes, it is very unfair. Fiesta is unbelanced in many ways, SparkCash items such as charms and extenders being the main reason.

[hamsterfest]

I hate the fact that people think they have to be charmed to do anything in the game, and end up being a bad player, and think that others are terrible if they don't charm. Honestly, it's not those charms; it's your build, skill distribution, gear (not even +9) in-game buffs and how fast you can spam pots and stones.

My main (which is on my main account) is only 66, but I've played too much to know that that is the issue. If I was ever a Mage (or any other class) and was asked those stupid questions, I would probably just walk out. Because then they are automatically grading you on how much rl money you spent because they assume you'll always suck without SC. I understand that in higher levels it may become neccessary, but still, judging someone for that is wrong...

I also hate the fact that they try to make Mages tank; tanking is a Fighters job, that's why they have such high defense. I understand the fact that there's the issue of not being able to find one or Mages stealing aggro occasionally, but I really don't think Squishies were intended to be meatshields in this game O.o

[FatalLace]

i think a lot of u don't realize what the OP is actually talking about... he's talking about the Black Bear area in Alberstoll Ruins. This is typically (though it depends on the party itself) the most lucrative spot to grind once you are lvl 91+. A single, 4-person pull can net you about 300-400k exp per pull, but that's only if the mage is cookied and has good enough enhanced gear to survive the onslaught of bears being pulled at once (about 30-40).

Some of you say, 'but why doesn't the fighter just mock? that's their job isn't it?'.. while yes, that's true, but u don't realize that mock becomes ineffective at holding aggro once that first wave of a 9x mage's inferno hits those bears. the fighter will immediately lose all aggro which is then focused on, you guessed it, the mage. this is why, in this instance, the mage needs to be cookied. otherwise he will get killed, and if his aoe's didn't land or there are late pulls, there's a good chance the entire party gets wiped out. and, if in this case you're talking about bijou, there's a good chance that your party just lost their grinding spot to another party waiting for such an opportunity to move in.

while yes, it's unfortunate that people ask for mages to cookie/charm up for a party like Black Bear, Phouches, or the boss room in TOS, it's just a fact of life at 9x. if you don't like it, u can go find a party at gargoyles or caimans for 1/5 of the experience.

[hamsterfest]

^ I see...so basically it's the "if you want to get anywhere in higher levels you better be SC'ed" business? I'm glad I'm taking it slow -.-' If it's gonna be like that then it's definitely not worth playing until there's more alternative ways to level.

[xogeley]

BBs at level 93, uncharmed?
Most 95+ +9ed mages still need to charm for BBs for effective exp.
Stick to SoD til you get your 95 armor.
And you're playing a mage. aka OS's biggest money maker, what do you expect?

[dragon_slayer1985]

thats why i dont pick a mage. hahahaha. archer FTW. we kite BBM to lvl 100+ (without charms or pty)

[lolznplz]

i think a lot of u don't realize what the OP is actually talking about... he's talking about the Black Bear area in Alberstoll Ruins. This is typically (though it depends on the party itself) the most lucrative spot to grind once you are lvl 91+. A single, 4-person pull can net you about 300-400k exp per pull, but that's only if the mage is cookied and has good enough enhanced gear to survive the onslaught of bears being pulled at once (about 30-40).

Some of you say, 'but why doesn't the fighter just mock? that's their job isn't it?'.. while yes, that's true, but u don't realize that mock becomes ineffective at holding aggro once that first wave of a 9x mage's inferno hits those bears. the fighter will immediately lose all aggro which is then focused on, you guessed it, the mage. this is why, in this instance, the mage needs to be cookied. otherwise he will get killed, and if his aoe's didn't land or there are late pulls, there's a good chance the entire party gets wiped out. and, if in this case you're talking about bijou, there's a good chance that your party just lost their grinding spot to another party waiting for such an opportunity to move in.

while yes, it's unfortunate that people ask for mages to cookie/charm up for a party like Black Bear, Phouches, or the boss room in TOS, it's just a fact of life at 9x. if you don't like it, u can go find a party at gargoyles or caimans for 1/5 of the experience.

pull half the mobs and you don't need SC

[skylark18]

pull half the mobs and you don't need SC

Well, guilds in Bijou don't really do that XD, i'm sure every high lvl uses spark cash anyways, it's just how it is in 9x+ where you do need spark cash to keep up with the others, which sucks.

[lordpatty]

If its really like that in Bijou or any other server once u hit 9x, than that's really sad. To depend on a charmed mage to grind to get exp, thats pretty sad too. I understand that there's basically little or no quest for 9x and OOS is responsible for that but to think if you really need solid exp, you've got to have some nerve and have a convo like this.

"I'm a mage. Can i join your pt?"
"Depends. You got charms?"
"No."
"Sorry, can't pt you. Go find a sugar momma/daddy to gift you some charms. Then you can come."

._. I'm truly exasperated by this reality.

[Cherushi]

Grind half and it will seem you are wasting the spot. Better give it to another party the who has a full party and a mage that's willing to charm up.

Yes it's unfair that the mages have to charm, believe me if I can save the mages by charming up as well, I really will. But with the fighters,clerics, archers in party charm up, it doesn't make a difference as the mobs will still go to mages. So for other classes it becomes a waste. So, unless the OP finds that unfair, try asking your pullers to charm up as well then to make it fair.

So for me, I try to compensate a bit of my mage friends by sending them cookie once in a while, since that's all I can do for them. If I can sponsor every cookie of every mage in my party, I'd love to do that. I try to when I can anyway.


But it's for their own benefit as well. You dying on every other pull will prolly make you lose out on the exp you should've been getting. It's really for the mage's benefit really at the end of the day. You feel used, you can charm up and solo but without 4 pullers for you, you will not get that fast exp in Blackbears, Phouches or TOS.

EDIT: I think there's always the advantage and disadvantage anyway. Mages are effective levelers solo or in party. They are most needed in AOE parties. The only downside is that they're expensive (+9s and cookies and charms) but if you can live with that, then have fun playing mages. If not, try other classes then.

[xogeley]

To get to prestige, you need money. It's PRESTIGE, not "here you go, bunch of powerful skills"
Mages get the best skills at level 100, by far, so they're an expensive class and worth the grind, from what I've seen.

[skylark18]

If its really like that in Bijou or any other server once u hit 9x, than that's really sad. To depend on a charmed mage to grind to get exp, thats pretty sad too. I understand that there's basically little or no quest for 9x and OOS is responsible for that but to think if you really need solid exp, you've got to have some nerve and have a convo like this.

"I'm a mage. Can i join your pt?"
"Depends. You got charms?"
"No."
"Sorry, can't pt you. Go find a sugar momma/daddy to gift you some charms. Then you can come."

._. I'm truly exasperated by this reality.

oh and that's not how it goes here XD if your not in that certain guild grinding at any spot, goodluck getting a party

[WolfAngel9414]

It is kind of sad. I never see anybody ask if the fighter is charmed ;c "Can you pull?" "Yea" "kk you're in"

Mage:
"Are you charmed?"
"No"
"Will you?"
"Can't, no charms"
"Kk GTFO"

[lordpatty]

It is kind of sad. I never see anybody ask if the fighter is charmed ;c "Can you pull?" "Yea" "kk you're in"

Mage:
"Are you charmed?"
"No"
"Will you?"
"Can't, no charms"
"Kk GTFO"

Next thing you know, OS wil change the announcement window, just for the fun of it.

"Fighter has been invited to the party."
"Cleric has been invited to the party."
"Archer has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been banned from the party for not being charmed. Sux2Byou"

[skylark18]

Next thing you know, OS wil change the announcement window, just for the fun of it.

"Fighter has been invited to the party."
"Cleric has been invited to the party."
"Archer has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been banned from the party for not being charmed. Sux2Byou"

hahaha xD

10 char.

[animenessie919]

I hate to say it (not really), but this is a berry self-important post.

I can and will guarantee that there are plenty of skilled and determined players out there who can cap with any class without any help and without sparkcash.

Mages are only 25% of the game.
Fighters are only 25% of the game.
Clerics are only 25% of the game.
Archers are only 25% of the game.

I'm a Cleric myself, but I recognize that there are players who can live without me [though sometimes they are being silly and demanding my aide anyways].

P.S. one of my favorite hobbies when I'm bored is healing other Clerics. Sometimes they get like really pissed off at me, others they talk to me like I'm some noob. It's funny as hell.

OMG i get that too! i mean i love my cleric but im watching one of the clerics in my pt tank and not heal others in a kq and im like ***??? so i heal and they b!tch at me cuz i do that even when they are about to die??? but its fun healing random ppls...

[hamsterfest]

Next thing you know, OS wil change the announcement window, just for the fun of it.

"Fighter has been invited to the party."
"Cleric has been invited to the party."
"Archer has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been banned from the party for not being charmed. Sux2Byou"

I thought Archers never got parties 'cause they were "useless" =p

[WolfAngel9414]

I thought Archers never got parties 'cause they were "useless" =p


To be honest, I have yet to be in a BB party with an archer.
I have seen them randomly kite half the area and never come back...

[dragon_slayer1985]

Next thing you know, OS wil change the announcement window, just for the fun of it.

"Fighter has been invited to the party."
"Cleric has been invited to the party."
"Archer has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been invited to the party."
"Mage has been banned from the party for not being charmed. Sux2Byou"

lmao on last part. but really, when someone is ban from a pty there really should be a message saying why they are ban. as for now, its only....*user name* have left the pty.

[hamsterfest]

To be honest, I have yet to be in a BB party with an archer.
I have seen them randomly kite half the area and never come back...

See, all of this is making me depressed. I just want quit on my alts now :/

[WolfAngel9414]

See, all of this is making me depressed. I just want quit on my alts now :/


Play a fighter. They deva, hit mock, and lose aggro in a couple of seconds, but no one complains.

[FatalLace]

well as a couple of the bijou folks above posted, the conversation about being charmed really doesn't happen. in that grind spot, it is understood and, yes, expected that the mage cookie to maximize everyone's time there. and also, the parties are typically never random, they are made up of guildmates doing there best to hold that area for the benefit of all 9x-10x grinding members of their guild.

it's a shame that it has to be this way, but it's just the world we all choose to live in.

if u wanna solo off your cookie, u can do that too... u can actually get more experience per pull this way, but it's a LOT more expensive and dangerous... but it's always an option. too bad mages only hold 72hp stones at that lvl =\

[FatalLace]

To be honest, I have yet to be in a BB party with an archer.
I have seen them randomly kite half the area and never come back...



See, all of this is making me depressed. I just want quit on my alts now :/

i've been an archer in BB parties, and really, aside from pulling, u feel as if u don't contribute much. you almost never draw aggro and really your only job is to pull back those stray bears that happen to get stuck or start moving away. but it's a good break from the monotony of kiting!

fighters at this lvl feel a bit useless too.. they mainly just pull... if u go into TOS though, fighter's once again become the primary DDs vs. BlackShadows and the boss while the mages mow down the rest of the fodder (Shadow and RedShadow)

[xogeley]

i've been an archer in BB parties, and really, aside from pulling, u feel as if u don't contribute much. you almost never draw aggro and really your only job is to pull back those stray bears that happen to get stuck or start moving away. but it's a good break from the monotony of kiting!

fighters at this lvl feel a bit useless too.. they mainly just pull... if u go into TOS though, fighter's once again become the primary DDs vs. BlackShadows and the boss while the mages mow down the rest of the fodder (Shadow and RedShadow)

I loved BB parties xD Kiting Phouches and crashing into walls is only fun for so long.
On a side note your signature is so epic rofl

[hamsterfest]

Play a fighter. They deva, hit mock, and lose aggro in a couple of seconds, but no one complains.

Only if I get a good Cleric...my Fighter has the worst of luck >.<'


well as a couple of the bijou folks above posted, the conversation about being charmed really doesn't happen. in that grind spot, it is understood and, yes, expected that the mage cookie to maximize everyone's time there. and also, the parties are typically never random, they are made up of guildmates doing there best to hold that area for the benefit of all 9x-10x grinding members of their guild.

it's a shame that it has to be this way, but it's just the world we all choose to live in.

if u wanna solo off your cookie, u can do that too... u can actually get more experience per pull this way, but it's a LOT more expensive and dangerous... but it's always an option. too bad mages only hold 72hp stones at that lvl =\

Yeah...I'm probably going to be one of those people who just gets out of everyone's way and hides around the corner lol xD But at the rate I'm leveling, it probably wouldn't matter :p

[darknightofwind]

I second the epicness of Fatal's sig (<3 turtles n.n).
I've yet to crash into a wall doing phouches in SoD.. done it a bunch in ar though :x

When a cleric asked what i was doing in a BB party, I told him i was a DD... at least the cleric got a good laugh out of that u.u

[Dthugtherealist]

Well thing about this topic consider your self lucky you get invited to these mass grind pts. AoE'ing on 2-3 way pulls you need to drop the monsters fast and due to mages High dmg if the monsters don't die fast you gotta be able to take hits. Everybody is just trying get that 5% an hr.

[yaseeda]

Nobody takes in such parties DD fighters without charms as well.
So dont think you only class that requires lot of sc investment at 9x, duh.

[crazy_irishman]

I hate to say it (not really), but this is a berry self-important post.

I can and will guarantee that there are plenty of skilled and determined players out there who can cap with any class without any help and without sparkcash.

Mages are only 25% of the game.
Fighters are only 25% of the game.
Clerics are only 25% of the game.
Archers are only 25% of the game.

I'm a Cleric myself, but I recognize that there are players who can live without me [though sometimes they are being silly and demanding my aide anyways].

P.S. one of my favorite hobbies when I'm bored is healing other Clerics. Sometimes they get like really pissed off at me, others they talk to me like I'm some noob. It's funny as hell.

yeah and im sure it takes them years

[yaseeda]

So far took 2 years to lvl from 1 to 95 for me w/o sc and plvl :D

[GigiBunny]

To be honest, I have yet to be in a BB party with an archer.
I have seen them randomly kite half the area and never come back...


I thought Archers never got parties 'cause they were "useless" =p

^^ hehehe I play in Epith...and I have to admit.. I also rarely see archers in one of the coveted spots of bb land... Oo ofc, if u are looking for me to be in one of them: ya won't find me there..nope.. I learn to solo...go work on a fire shella lic.. or wander to kite living statues or BMM or anything and everything in SoD for that matter... *sigh*

my hubby on two of my chars are mages... one is capped and he does the bb party of mobbing tons and killing them all for pt's....

I have been called many things on my archer : useless, squishy, nub/noob, etc.

now my archer gets 'used' for plvls, help with quests, etc.

but to the op, I have indeed seen mages get 'used' in ar... or help or.. Oo however you want to state it..

and you are lvl 93 yes? cuz it will increase more and more.. but best of luck :)

[phreakshot]

See, all of this is making me depressed. I just want quit on my alts now :/

don't be depressed. archers are promised a way overdue fix and will be in demand for parties again at high levels until then solo huge mobs that only other classes can dream about.



as for the charmed thing, i'd rather charm because i want to nuke mobs before they can touch me. the power is insanely fun. ^^

[xogeley]

I second the epicness of Fatal's sig (<3 turtles n.n).
I've yet to crash into a wall doing phouches in SoD.. done it a bunch in ar though :x

When a cleric asked what i was doing in a BB party, I told him i was a DD... at least the cleric got a good laugh out of that u.u

I don't usually LOL my friend just declared I did because I crashed into CP1 walls while plvling him >:
But all my deaths are, in fact, caused by wall crashing while typing rofl