Small "religious" problem ~

[Colypso]

I have been meaning to post this for some time and its something that has been bothering me.
If fiesta, many thing are "****" out and I completely agree with this, however I do not agree with the religious look at the "bleeps".

If the game, you can type "God", and "Satan" but "Jesus" has been blurred out. Now I can understand it being blurred out because of fowl use, but I believe that if Jesus can not be used, then Satan should not be used either. This is my opinion and I would really like to not have any negative flame comments. But I would greatly appreciate OutSpark looking at this, I do not think it is just when only 1 form of religion is blurred out, and the other remains to be freely said.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

So much of the word filter fails. :C There are a lot of words, if said in a different way, as in, using a different word, aren't blocked.

[WolfAngel9414]

I have been meaning to post this for some time and its something that has been bothering me.
If fiesta, many thing are "****" out and I completely agree with this, however I do not agree with the religious look at the "bleeps".

If the game, you can type "God", and "Satan" but "Jesus" has been blurred out. Now I can understand it being blurred out because of fowl use, but I believe that if Jesus can not be used, then Satan should not be used either. This is my opinion and I would really like to not have any negative flame comments. But I would greatly appreciate OutSpark looking at this, I do not think it is just when only 1 form of religion is blurred out, and the other remains to be freely said.


I find it kind of stupid too.
A)"OH MY GOD"
B)"OH JESUS"
Option A is not censored
Option B is censored
Somehow I really doubt that Jesus was censored in protection of His name being used in vain.

[Colypso]

So much of the word filter fails. :C There are a lot of words, if said in a different way, as in, using a different word, aren't blocked.

This is true, however "Jesus" has been blocked all ways, you cant even space the letters out or change anything to "$, or 3" it still remains blocked. And "Satan" can be said countless ways, even the way spelled correctly, i really hate to complain, and i know this is, but its something that has really bugged me.

[hamsterfest]

Yeah, the filter is really messed up...they need to look it over and fix it >.<

[Colypso]

I find it kind of stupid too.
A)"OH MY GOD"
B)"OH JESUS"
Option A is not censored
Option B is censored
Somehow I really doubt that Jesus was censored in protection of His name being used in vain.

Nicely said, kudos.

[aperturelaboratories]

The filter (which, as we all know, is not overly bright) seems to have more or less been set up to catch what you might call the "usual suspects." People do not usually use "Satan" as a swear word, while they do frequently use "Jesus" -- hence why only the latter is blocked.

[Colypso]

If you can still use "God" how is it blurring out one form of religion?

God is the form of religion yes, so why just block some of the religion that God represents? Why are we allowed to say God and not Jesus? When it is not right to use God's name in vain, and that is the only thing people use it for in the game.

[WolfAngel9414]

If you can still use "God" how is it blurring out one form of religion?


That's the whole issue. God is not censored, everybody uses it to make lovely exclamations of surprise/frustration/etc, what an outrage it would be if you couldn't say God :rolleyes:. Jesus is a more direct implication of the Lord, and censored.
Satan is an obvious implication of the devil, but it is not censored.

I'm not saying Outspark is Satanic or anything of the like, but I do find this censorship...odd.

[Colypso]

The filter (which, as we all know, is not overly bright) seems to have more or less been set up to catch what you might call the "usual suspects." People do not usually use "Satan" as a swear word, while they do frequently use "Jesus" -- hence why only the latter is blocked.

Yes, I agree. Then if that is the true case, "God" should be blocked as well, for it is used in vain more often then not.

[drigr_x]

*Goes to delete post*

I'm just gonna go pretend I didn't get involved in this thread, I should stay away from religious threads.

[lolznplz]

don't bring religion into this.
i highly doubt anything in this game is filtered or based on any sort of religion.
jesus is filtered, and god is not filtered for the same reason the f-bomb is filtered, but damn isn't.

[WolfAngel9414]

don't bring religion into this.
i highly doubt anything in this game is filtered or based on any sort of religion.
jesus is filtered, and god is not filtered for the same reason the f-bomb is filtered, but damn and **** aren't


The same reason being this whole filter is completely fail?

[Colypso]

don't bring religion into this.
i highly doubt anything in this game is filtered or based on any sort of religion.
jesus is filtered, and god is not filtered for the same reason the f-bomb is filtered, but damn isn't.

That makes no sense, "God is not filtered for the same reason the f-bomb is filtered"? makes no sense. And I agree with Jesus being filtered because it is a word used in vain. And if so then "God" should be as well, even if both words were unblocked then "God" would still be used. Many people find this offensive and would like it to change.

[lolznplz]

That makes no sense, "God is not filtered for the same reason the f-bomb is filtered"? makes no sense. And I agree with Jesus being filtered because it is a word used in vain. And if so then "God" should be as well, even if both words were unblocked then "God" would still be used. Many people find this offensive and would like it to change.
read the rest of my post bro.
and wolfangel made a good point on the first page
EDIT: but when you bring religion into video games, everything goes downhill

[BloodMage78]

I agree they should re-look over the chat filter. Some of the stuff allowed and not allowed is questionable.

[WolfAngel9414]

It's not so much people using it in vain, I accept they're always going to do that, it's the fact that it's filtered when so many words in the same category are not.
What if I decided to talk religion with someone? I'd have to scramble up the word Jesus just to do it.
Don't say "Use an instant messenger", you guys don't use an IM every time something is censored.

[ShonenHero]

I don`t think this is an issue of the filter being "fail"

I also wouldn`t like to get involved in a thread with a religious background, however I would like to add to what the lovely computer from Aperture Laboratories said

She`s right in saying that the word "Jesus" is often used in profanity, whereas the word "Satan" is rarely ever pronounced.

The usage in vain of the word "God" is, universally, and don`t take it as an offence, accepted. Few people frown upon the phrase "Oh my god", "Oh god", "God, why did this happen?". This, and the reason that the word "God" is not only used in christian sense. God is a noun, there are gods in Fiesta, too. And godesses. They can`t censor this word because they have to use them themselves, very frequently

Now, why don`t they censor god, but they do censor "Jesus" (As in "Oh, Jesus", "Jesus Christ" and all those) like Wolf asked, is because the word "Jesus" is used in profanity, and the word "God" isn`t

That`s why "Jesus" is filtered and "Satan" and "God" aren`t filtered

[Colypso]

read the rest of my post bro.
and wolfangel made a good point on the first page
EDIT: but when you bring religion into video games, everything goes downhill

Just did, yeah i got it. And they did. Everybody knows that the chat blocker is fail and undoubtedly needs to be looked over and fixed. But when you are dealing with religious words like "Satan, God, and Jesus" it gets a bit touchy and offensive to people. Im not trying to start a huge argument, but It is my opinion that ALL religious words should be blocked. Both for bi-believes and offensiveness towards religions being blocked.

[lordpatty]

*sucks in breath and braves the waters patiently*

[lolznplz]

I don`t think this is an issue of the filter being "fail"

I also wouldn`t like to get involved in a thread with a religious background, however I would like to add to what the lovely computer from Aperture Laboratories said

She`s right in saying that the word "Jesus" is often used in profanity, whereas the word "Satan" is rarely ever pronounced.

The usage in vain of the word "God" is, universally, and don`t take it as an offence, accepted. Few people frown upon the phrase "Oh my god", "Oh god", "God, why did this happen?". This, and the reason that the word "God" is not only used in christian sense. God is a noun, there are gods in Fiesta, too. And godesses. They can`t censor this word because they have to use them themselves, very frequently

Now, why don`t they censor god, but they do censor "Jesus" (As in "Oh, Jesus", "Jesus Christ" and all those) like Wolf asked, is because the word "Jesus" is used in profanity, and the word "God" isn`t

That`s why "Jesus" is filtered and "Satan" and "God" aren`t filtered

/thread
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[drigr_x]

Clam is filtered IG too.

[Colypso]

I don`t think this is an issue of the filter being "fail"

I also wouldn`t like to get involved in a thread with a religious background, however I would like to add to what the lovely computer from Aperture Laboratories said

She`s right in saying that the word "Jesus" is often used in profanity, whereas the word "Satan" is rarely ever pronounced.

The usage in vain of the word "God" is, universally, and don`t take it as an offence, accepted. Few people frown upon the phrase "Oh my god", "Oh god", "God, why did this happen?". This, and the reason that the word "God" is not only used in christian sense. God is a noun, there are gods in Fiesta, too. And godesses. They can`t censor this word because they have to use them themselves, very frequently

Now, why don`t they censor god, but they do censor "Jesus" (As in "Oh, Jesus", "Jesus Christ" and all those) like Wolf asked, is because the word "Jesus" is used in profanity, and the word "God" isn`t

That`s why "Jesus" is filtered and "Satan" and "God" aren`t filtered

I agree with most of your post, however "God" is used in profanity. You are able to say "GD" if you only space it out, and, "Oh my God" , "Oh God" are used in profane according to christian faith, for that is using the Lords name in vain

[eifies]

Inb4 lock.
They need to fix the "glasses" censoring. xD I have to repeat myself several times before the word appears.

[Colypso]

Inb4 lock.
They need to fix the "glasses" censoring. xD I have to repeat myself several times before the word appears.

Agreed but not the issue at hand. =P

[ShonenHero]

I agree with most of your post, however "God" is used in profanity. You are able to say "GD" if you only space it out, and, "Oh my God" , "Oh God" are used in profane according to christian faith, for that is using the Lords name in vain

But the game`s filter isn`t built around christianity. "God" is a noun, a common noun. Outspark uses it a lot, in events for example. There is no way a filter will censor this word, ever.

If the filter isn`t based around christianity, why is "Jesus" filtered? As a favour, because a lot of silly people just love to use that word in all kinds of wrong ways and that would offend a lot of people. They filter it so that this doesn`t happen. As a result, it doesn`t happen

But that`s it, the filter doesn`t get involved any further with religion

[Colypso]

But the game`s filter isn`t built around christianity. "God" is a noun, a common noun. Outspark uses it a lot, in events for example. There is no way a filter will censor this word, ever.

If the filter isn`t based around christianity, why is "Jesus" filtered? As a favour, because a lot of silly people just love to use that word in all kinds of wrong ways and that would offend a lot of people. They filter it so that this doesn`t happen. As a result, it doesn`t happen

But that`s it, the filter doesn`t get involved any further with religion

Im not saying that it does. However if you say "Jesus" is used as a wrong way, in what way is "God" used on the game? i only see it being used in vain and in no way a "right" way. Noun, pronoun, adjective.. God is God idc what the definition it is. Whether you are a believer or a non-believer respect for a religion is needed.

God may be a noun, yes, however it is still used in a profane way and rightfully shouldnt.

[drigr_x]

Religion is creeping into my precious video games D:

[ShonenHero]

Sorry, that`s as far as I`m going. Religious discussion is not allowed in the forums. I just wanted to explain to you why the filter is the way it is

[Colypso]

Religion is creeping into my precious video games D:

Its not just about religion, its about respect to others really, and i thought you quit fiesta drig..

[Colypso]

Sorry, that`s as far as I`m going. Religious discussion is not allowed in the forums. I just wanted to explain to you why the filter is the way it is

Your explanation has too many holes in it. Yes many aspects of it makes sense, but alot of is contradicting the other.

[WindCaster]

OM* !!

...maybe some day?

[drigr_x]

and i thought you quit fiesta drig..

What does that have to do with anything?

[Colypso]

OM* !!

...maybe some day?

That is hillarious! =D


What does that have to do with anything?

Just wondering.

[emonicarcher]

this is off topic but alot of the censoring can be strange for example

you can say a_ _
but you cant say but( with another T xD)

[zephyr_wind]

*walks in and reads some post*
*eyes open wide*
*backs up slowly the way I came in*

[lolznplz]

hey guys, guess what?
colypso is trollin'
do not feed da trollz

[Shadowic2]

This has been brought up before.

The filter has it's quirks, that much is for sure. It has come a long way from what it used to be, but sadly any changes/fixes to it are low on the priority list at OnsOnSoft as it really don't effect gameplay.

The majority of what is blocked is blocked due to the reason that it can be abused in terms of profanity/abuse. Very little of it revolves around specific religions. Outspark and OnsOnSoft try to do what they can to prevent certain words from being used inappropriately, but they cannot do it for everything. They try to gather up the most common words that can and will often be used inappropriately and block those.

Jesus isn't blocked because the developer's dislike Jesus, but because of inappropriate ways it can be used. Such is the case with Clam and a few other words. Though words like Classes/Glasses, etc are only filtered due to having parts of a blocked word in it. It has nothing to do with the religious believes surrounding the word, just how it can be abused and might offend someone.

And as stated before, god cannot be blocked due to the fact that it is a very broad term that can refer to various beings. If the word god were to be blocked with how the current filter is set up, words like "goddess" would be blocked as well. That is why that word is allowed and not Jesus.

However, with that said, I personally do not think that the usual phrases accompanied with "Jesus" are all that offensive enough to block the word, and maybe one day if OOS ever gets to refining the filter it will be uncensored. But as of now it's going to remain blocked due to potential abuse.

[Orchids_Mantis]

from my understanding, the censors don't block a word for capitalization of not, they block spelling regardless. It reads But(t), bUt(t), BuT(t), BUt(t) and BUT(T) all the same because of the letters.

That's basically it.

Remember "god" is simply a word for a deity. The word "God", with the first letter capitalized regardless of where it comes in a sentence is the name for the Hebrew/Christian deity named Jehovah (God). The Greeks and Romans had many "gods", but none were the same as God. The filter can't tell the difference betweem "God" and "god", though (which makes sense, otherwise peoplewould just capitalize swear words differently to bypass the filters). The game itself makes use of a fictionalized religion in which there are gods and goddesses -meaning the words "god" and "goddess" must be acceptable; so since "god" is an acceptable term, so is "God."

"jesus" is blocked also regardless of capitalization because there is only one religion it comes from (sucks if you're Spanish and that's your name, though) and can be used in an offensive manner, it is blocked. As to whether I agree with this block, I don't know. I hear "God @#%it" a lot more than I hear "jesus #iit", myself (in fact I have yet to hear the latter), but I don't make the rules.




edit

took too long writing this post and a CL beat me to a better answer....need to stop cooking meals while I'm on the forums

[hamsterfest]

I have kind of an off-topic question, and I'm not sure if it's an okay question to be asked, so sorry if it isn't ><;

I moved to the US about 10 years ago, and sometimes I still find that I still don't completely understand certain phrases. I kept thinking that phrases like "Oh my God" and "Oh Jesus" were just expressions people used. Is it really offensive to some to use those phrases? I'd like to know just in case. o.o'

[chasemmorpg]

I should like totally make a religious cult guild that spouts litanies in His name and goes to attempt to commit genocide on every other Battle Guild while going down like dumb *** martyrs.

That would make for a LOL and FTW moment.

[lukeia2000]

In answer to your question Hamsterfest, a lot of people use "Jesus" and "God" in expressions. It doesn't offend most people, however you will find that it is considered offensive around more conservative Christians. I would get shocked looks from my parents and grandmother if I used any of those phrases around them...and probably a lecture. In general those expressions aren't considered acceptable in the work place either...although that probably depends on where you work. The hospitals I work in don't allow any sort of expressions...because it's unprofessional and because what are the patients going to think :P You might be OMGing about your coworkers new necklace and they'll think you just found out they have cancer or something :P Anyways, you probably don't really need to be careful except around older people and at work...again depending on where you work. Welcome to the US btw ;)

[Orchids_Mantis]

I have kind of an off-topic question, and I'm not sure if it's an okay question to be asked, so sorry if it isn't ><;

I moved to the US about 10 years ago, and sometimes I still find that I still don't completely understand certain phrases. I kept thinking that phrases like "Oh my God" and "Oh Jesus" were just expressions people used. Is it really offensive to some to use those phrases? I'd like to know just in case. o.o'

to hard-line Christians or Jews the phrase "Oh my God" is using the Lord's name in vain and offensive, same with the common phrase, "Jesus Christ" (a Christian-only offensive)or "What in God's name were you thinking?"

To use the terms "God" or "Jesus" in a manner such as those breaks one of the 10 commandments (not using the Lord's name in vain) laid down in the Torah (Mosianic law) and is not supposed to be done -and thus, can be offensive to some people.

However, the terms and use are so widespread and commonplace that little to nothing is done to curb it despite the offense (but have someone that believes in no god read a passage in a book saying "life on Earth may have been created" and everyone goes bonkers).

Anyways, long and short of it, just know your company. It's considered fine to use around most people, relatively few -even in the Christian faith, find it completely unacceptable.


edit: beaten to the punch again

[hamsterfest]

Thank you lukeia and Orchids ^^ that was very helpful :)

[WolfAngel9414]

Bleh I had to leave last night.
Thanks for the response Shadowic ;c The filter is kind of broken, a lot of words that can be used as profanity aren't blocked, only the obvious ones.
In my opinion, nothing should be filtered in game because if people are gonna say it...well, they'll find a way to say it.
I'm not offended by "OMG" because I've heard it so much. People obviously enjoy this phrase whether they believe in the God they're exclaiming about or not. It's messed up, but whatever.
"Oh Jesus" is more offensive, sure, but people in game still use His name "jeesus!!" I just hit print screen after they've added a few more colorful words.
Regardless of circumstance, I would appreciate a removal or re-inspection of the filter eventually.
Silly words like clam have little reason to be blocked. If someone is going to refer to the female anatomy, I'm sure they'd pick a better word.

[evieevie]

The filter is messed up. My worry is that swearing is a reportable offence, so if you type an innocent word like clams youll get *******<<<stars. Basically someone could ss that and report you. The amount of times ive said something innocent like classes or glasses and u guessed it up pop the ******. Seriously if people want to swear theres always ways around the filter that ive seen people using.
I agree there needs to be a filter and that it should be looked at but not at the expense of new content or more important fixes!

[ordinaryman]

[QUOTE=Orchids_Mantis;3045345]to hard-line Christians or Jews the phrase "Oh my God" is using the Lord's name in vain and offensive, same with the common phrase, "Jesus Christ" (a Christian-only offensive)or "What in God's name were you thinking?"

To use the terms "God" or "Jesus" in a manner such as those breaks one of the 10 commandments (not using the Lord's name in vain) laid down in the Torah (Mosianic law) and is not supposed to be done -and thus, can be offensive to some people.

It's too bad christians don't know the name of the god, eh? kinda makes the whole "his name in vain" really easy :)

[Tamlinari]

What is so ironic is that his name really isn't Jesus anyway.
It's actually Yeshua Ben Yosef or just Yeshua.
But most people are so ill informed that they don't know that.
See if "Yeshua" is censored and I would bet that it is not.

[Momishin]

What is so ironic is that his name really isn't Jesus anyway.
It's actually Yeshua Ben Yosef or just Yeshua.
But most people are so ill informed that they don't know that.
See if "Yeshua" is censored and I would bet that it is not.

Then why do people call him Jesus then? x,x

[Tamlinari]

Then why do people call him Jesus then? x,x

That's a really good question.
The answer is that the Greeks translated it wrong.
The name Jesus is actually a Greek name and not Aramaic.
It's a mispronunciation into one that fit their language better.
Most Biblical scholars are fully aware of the mistranslation and use the correct Aramaic name.

Addendum:
I am not a biblical scholar nor do I profess to be one.
I just happen to know that.

[isteam]

The filter is messed up. My worry is that swearing is a reportable offence, so if you type an innocent word like clams youll get *******<<<stars. Basically someone could ss that and report you. The amount of times ive said something innocent like classes or glasses and u guessed it up pop the ******. Seriously if people want to swear theres always ways around the filter that ive seen people using.
I agree there needs to be a filter and that it should be looked at but not at the expense of new content or more important fixes!

One time when I said butt, obv it showed up in stars.....someone threatened to report me for foul language even after I uncensored butt so everyone knew I wasn't cussin' at them, lol. If they're gonna have censored words at least censor the RIGHT ones so you can't be wrongly reported (so easy to make fake reports if you catch someone that said something simple like butt or clam ~for the damn clammeat quests~ as long as stars show up *rolls eyes*)

[WolfAngel9414]

I was aware that wasn't His real name, yes. However, it's the most recognizable title for Him. I rarely use Yeshua because people have no idea what in the world I'm talking about.
I guess we should just use The Father and The Son and be done with it -.-

[Tamlinari]

One time when I said butt, obv it showed up in stars.....someone threatened to report me for foul language even after I uncensored butt so everyone knew I wasn't cussin' at them, lol. If they're gonna have censored words at least censor the RIGHT ones so you can't be wrongly reported (so easy to make fake reports if you catch someone that said something simple like butt or clam ~for the damn clammeat quests~ as long as stars show up *rolls eyes*)

Outspark can see the actual word that you typed without the censorship so if it ever becomes disputed and someone alleges that you were cursing at them a transcript of the actual conversation can be pulled.
Most people who actually curse at you and say vile things in the game mask it with leet speak anyway.
So instead of "butt" showing up as ***** is shows up as Bu++.
I just use that as an example as that is a relatively minor epithet.
Most practitioners of leet speak can be very creative in masking extremely vile tings in text.

[nyannyan9]

Rational thought ftw! ^_~
But this is not the place for such serious discussions.

As for the in game chat filter, I think it's unnecessary. I am not a fan of censorship. They should do like many games and have the option to turn the censorship on or off. That way if you are easily offended you can protect yourself against the offensive words.

I would like to mention that in general, nobody has a right to not be offended. If you find some comment to be offensive, then be offended. So what, just don't be friends with that person then, and move along. But within the context of Fiesta, if something is determined to be harassment then some punnishment may be necessary. I would just like to see the option to converse freely if we choose to do so.

[KazooZ_RaZzoR]

THEY CENSORED HITLER TOO! ... that's some serious *bleep*.

[isteam]

Outspark can see the actual word that you typed without the censorship so if it ever becomes disputed and someone alleges that you were cursing at them a transcript of the actual conversation can be pulled.
Most people who actually curse at you and say vile things in the game mask it with leet speak anyway.
So instead of "butt" showing up as ***** is shows up as Bu++.
I just use that as an example as that is a relatively minor epithet.
Most practitioners of leet speak can be very creative in masking extremely vile tings in text.

So they actually go back and look? Instead of just taking the screenie and punishing or w/e

[lolznplz]

i've never understood why you can get in trouble for saying a word that is consored.
i mean, it's consored already, how anyone see what you wrote, and how can you get in trouble for saying it?

would i get in trouble for saying "that's ________" no (i've seen this technique done in a roar before with GM's online)
would i get in trouble for saying "that's *****" yes