Resetting Kron Levels

[dylanangel]

Maint tomorrow will be resetting our Kron levels to marian. I would like to know what lvl your resetting to. I have legitimate kron and im not gonna be very happy you take that from me because of ignorant people who cant follow the rules.

[dj78x]

dont they just mean everything will cost more? like npc items such as tiny pots?
I dont think it will affect your kron or the fact that 1 xen = 3 mill kron.

[dylanangel]

I hope thats what they mean. I dont see how they can control what a player charges for their items. But it states setting kron to Marian levels. Marian is a mirror of this server. Their stores have the same kron. Im sure they are not talking about npc sales

[dj78x]

so more like for every million a player has it becomes 1000 kron instead.

That wouldn't be too bad. Im sure they'll keep whatever we haves worth as is.

[Daft_Brat]

Sounds like they mean in circulation...I don't really agree with that, Adeline has been out a lot longer and therefore should have more kron in circulation. They should explain that a bit better.

[dylanangel]

Yea that will NOT be ok with me. All these people shouting selling their items at 100+ mil should stop because they are goin to sell it and be lost out

[poochyenarulez]

take away 5-10% of everyones kron?

that seems fair i guess..

[Rorin_V]

Indeed; I'd like to know how they plan to reset this. Every single kron I have I earned; I did not benefit from any of the hacks, so it'd be nice to know what they plan to do. Not holding my breath on them telling us beforehand, though.

[jakesully]

either way people are not gonna be happy... they (the gm's) have to make hard choices to keep the game fun and if its not fun people will leave.

"cheaters never win"

whatever!! they do win... it just sucks for everyone else. i hate hackers.

[AnimePimp66]

it will prolly cut off all kron stocks to 100 mill or under thats what they did last time. it dosnt really matter. all it will mean is stuff wont b able to sell for as much not that big a deal. the usual flood of aoe in graveyard+ is enough to inflate back where we were... everyone should just hope all the unusal stock piles of stuff droped has been deleted

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

From what GM_Phibes post said, they gonna set the amount of kron as the same level as Marian server. Which mean: prepare to lose a lot of krons.

There not a lot of players in Marian server enough that have a huge amount of kron in their characters and even if they have alt chars and have obtain it legit their krons. Blame the hackers whatewer u want, but neveryone will pay the consequence for that.

Also, he said that there gonna be a lot of players that gonna be angry. So...u should start to worry about how much krons they gonna wipe out to set the economy at the same level as Marian server? Guess the answer will be set tomorrow after the maintenance and we'll see.

One more thing: Adeline server has been here much longer than the Marian server...so ouch!!!!

[poochyenarulez]

Indeed; I'd like to know how they plan to reset this. Every single kron I have I earned; I did not benefit from any of the hacks, so it'd be nice to know what they plan to do. Not holding my breath on them telling us beforehand, though.

unless u NEVER bought anything with kron, and only traded and got items from people that never used kron to get that item, unless that is true, u can not say u earned all ur kron, and did not benefit wat-so-ever from kron hack

[waffaddict]

Yeah..I'm assuming that if you have 100s of millions and billions of krons then they're talking about knocking them down. But no matter what they do, not everyone will be happy. Remembers when I got my first million kron, sigh.

I keep hearing about hackers..they weren't hackers (people get uneasy when they hear about hackers), they were exploiters. They found a glitch and exploited to high heaven.

[poochyenarulez]

Yeah..I'm assuming that if you have 100s of millions and billions of krons then they're talking about knocking them down. But no matter what they do, not everyone will be happy. Remembers when I got my first million kron, sigh.

I keep hearing about hackers..they weren't hackers (people get uneasy when they hear about hackers), they were exploiters. They found a glitch and exploited to high heaven.

its easyier to type hacker, then exploiters, and hacker sounds better/easier to say

so thats y everyone calls them hackers
i guess atleast

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Exploiters or hackers, whatewer! Let's wait the maintenance tomorrow and see after the result of that after.

:rolleyes: I expect a lot of angry people after the maintenance and lot of quiting threads appearing in the next 2-3 days.

[ARNOTA]

if i was in adeline i would spend spend spend! and get rid of the kron i have just in case! thats what i do in marian server i have have hundreds of millions or kron plenty of times but i spend it on pet quest items and other things i see as not really needed but they look cool. I learned my first time around that its not good to have all your money in xen and kron. So if i was in adeline i would spend now as the average person in marian has probably less than 50mil kron!

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

if i was in adeline i would spend spend spend! and get rid of the kron i have just in case! thats what i do in marian server i have have hundreds of millions or kron plenty of times but i spend it on pet quest items and other things i see as not really needed but they look cool. I learned my first time around that its not good to have all your money in xen and kron. So if i was in adeline i would spend now as the average person in marian has probably less than 50mil kron!

If that the case, ouch...!!! :eek:

[dylanangel]

unless u NEVER bought anything with kron, and only traded and got items from people that never used kron to get that item, unless that is true, u can not say u earned all ur kron, and did not benefit wat-so-ever from kron hack

Actually I CAN AND DO say that.

[lindilou]

omg as normal the players that have earned there kron legit have to pay for the hackers, very unfair i think, i will not b happy if any of my kron is taken away, most people have earned there kron and dont have hacked kron. not happy not happy at all grr

[dylanangel]

Yea this will be just another shove towards the door to the veteran players who have invested time, real money and given their all to this game.

[wardomic]

I'd say resetting people's krons is actually a good idea. I mean it's better than the alternative of having all the krons we currently have remain in the game. Not everyone will be effected by the change either, unless they remove a percentage of everyone's krons instead of cap people like they did last year. Anyways it's something that we need thanks to recent events, and you can still trade with items other than kron if that's your choice.

[tomcat47]

It's a good idea I think. Who cares if you earned all your kron. Less kron will mean lower prices so it evens out.

People who quit or complain about losing all their hard earned kron and crap- learn to take one for the team...?

[Maxout]

the real question is what r they gonna do with the xens?, and will this make ppl accept kron?

[chichisan]

It's a good idea I think. Who cares if you earned all your kron. Less kron will mean lower prices so it evens out.

People who quit or complain about losing all their hard earned kron and crap- learn to take one for the team...?

Woots! Couldnt have said it better myself~ If losing a chunk of my kron that I deligently and faithfully earned means things go back like the old times I'm all for it. I mean.... so you lose a few, you're not gonna die. Make a noob char, sell things, go grind! You're gonna make it back D<

If they didnt do anything there'd still be complainers. Be positive folks!

Yay GMs *huggles* o.o

[wardomic]

I believe throughout the week they've been suspending and banning people sorting out those who have irregular amounts of items and investigated where certain ones come from. I believe one such person was questioned because he had 1.5k ywm among other stuff including a bunch of +5 gear, some +6 and even a +7 here and there. He returned since his stuff was legit and i believe they are still working on removing as many cloned items as possible.


It's a good idea I think. Who cares if you earned all your kron. Less kron will mean lower prices so it evens out.

People who quit or complain about losing all their hard earned kron and crap- learn to take one for the team...?

nicely said

[dj78x]

ya im a veteran players and i think this is for best

[dylanangel]

Right people seriously were goin BACK to xens as kron lol. I have taken enough for the team. Leave my legit ish alone. I could care less if you people who dont have what I do care bout my stuff. Its not yours to care about ;) Worry bout your own ish. Guess its a good thing I didnt get to sell my gears because my kron would be gone. Back to trading xens....yay for the old days

[BellaAnimorum]

I've lost a few hundred million legit Kron from the last time, but I stand with those who are willing to sacrifice for the greater good. Besides it isn't like it's terribly hard to earn that all back with a weeks worth of AoE...

It's about time.

Enough said.

[MetallicaX]

Considering the xen-exploit-induced imbalance in the economy has been taken out of the picture, maybe the economy will wean off the whole "Xens as currency" thing...or maybe I'm expecting too much.

[saiguru]

the way i see it is this. There was that first kron exploit waaay back. presumably it could have been done in the same way this newest thing was done, and perhaps by the same people. who knows.

but that first one exploded the economy and it never quite recovered. everyone right now since then, especially those that have hundreds of millions of krons, have all of this because of the inflated prices of everything that resulted from the first kron exploit. you may not had directly gotten a billion kron from those explouters the first time, but you could easily make hundreds of millions by simply selling things as you always did, except now everything cost 10X or more higher. idc f you bought from people not cheating or didnt cheat or had no intention of cheating, no one would be able to pay say 50million for a +6 gear before that exploit, except now everyone could after. and still can with a little ingenuity and luck with drops and or farming. All as a result of that first kron explout.

since then a couple people have been using either the same exploit or a similiar one to get everything they had except the time it took for thier levels, however easy having anything you want with a click made those levels. For what I, and a lot of others, suspect theyve probably been pumping cloned xens items and kron into the economy for months and close to a year.

say those people really wanted a level 3 def. tiger to clone. they could dupe some krons, dupe some xens, and and outbid anyone who had "legitimite" krons and items to pay.

youve seen pets pearls and other things being sold for crazy amounts of xens and krons. 400 xens here 600 xens there. Youd see people selling somethign for 3 unenhanced pets+200xens and 100 million krons like it was nothing. now say those people exploiting were buying up THE most premuim items they could find, for astronomical prices, they are passing that crap along, spreading it out and adding more poison and tainting everyone elses in the games stash.

Now that person who sells an unenhanced or level 3 attack tiger for 850 xens can buy a huge premium item and another and another then the next person who profited off of that can do the same. Then the exploiters do it all over again with another item they buy to clone.

Cause after all they either had to make the item first, or buy it to have in inventory to clone, and i doubt theyd take all the effort to make the items, when they could just conjure a few thousand xens and a billion kron to buy and then dupe.

Months or close to a year of time is a lot of time to spread all that crap throughout the whole game. making the first kron exploit pale in comparison and much fuurther exacerbate the situation. Then those few aholes who sucked at thid game and couldnt do much with a character came back after learning the exploit and threw even more crap into the game. and really fubarred everything.

of course this is all just the story everyoneknows.

but for months and months all of this crap has been trickling into economy in these ways and by virtue of the resulting inflation, despite the fact you may have made the kron througb legitimite sales, is the cause you can even get stashes of krons and xens that high.

Its all tainted, everything. there is no need to discern whether or not somethings duped or not duped because from all of this the crazy high amounts of things in the game is a direct result of these exploiters.

so, drastic as nerfing everything back may be, i am for it. its the only way to fix it and not screw everyone in the process. Not one person should be effed over in this which means either everyone keeps everything they got, leaving the game in huge unbalnce and spiraling toward being an even bigger mess, or burn the whole thing down so the undergrowth can thrive again and blossom. Metaphor!

whatever i dont think ill quit just cause i worked hard and i may lose stuff, im awesome, ill replenish my stash and know it will be in no way touched by those half retards who cant let a grudge go they got against someone who owned them pvp so had to log back on after months and try and kill everything for everyone, nor touched by those who wanted to be the best sooo bad they became the worst. eff those guys and prove you deserve to be where you are now within parameters of the game and keep going as is, you dont need several hundred xens and several hundred million krons to be able to play.

thats all. bye byebye

[Maxout]

i can give up a couple of mill in kron (don't have much spent on orgin gear),but let all stop complaining about the kron loss if it help the economy go back to using kron i am up for it

[dylanangel]

Guess since im retired and dont aoe for my kron anymore I will do pet quests and hope for the best. MOST of this community keeps me in this game.

[aiyana.fiorenza]

The problem with this is the fact that some people are not going to be willing to change their current prices. In fact, this loss of kron might cause others to drive prices up in an attempt to gain it all back. People are greedy, irrational, and lazy. Tell me how many people are going to stop selling Xens for 3 million, rare enhancement items for around 1 million, and Pet Quest items for around 400-900k kron.

[dj78x]

you should publish your novel sai.

[deoxys114]

I say about time they did something. I've been wanting this forever. It will help so much I'm betting.


The problem with this is the fact that some people are not going to be willing to change their current prices. In fact, this loss of kron might cause others to drive prices up in an attempt to gain it all back. People are greedy, irrational, and lazy. Tell me how many people are going to stop selling Xens for 3 million, rare enhancement items for around 1 million, and Pet Quest items for around 400-900k kron.

People may charge higher to try and get their kron back, but if no one has the kron to give them, they will be forced to undersell the product. It will cause the prices to go down.

And Sai says it all again. *claps*

[saiguru]

you should publish your novel sai.

i dont know if that sarcastic or not. my bad for making sense.

and to the dude who wonders if people will be willing to lower thier prices: who cares if a lot arent or a few arent willing, they can sit there and have thier bloated shops rot away with no traffic, cause at some point someone will go a bit lower and a bit lower for the mere imediacy of having that kron they need.

relax, it will balance out. theres a theory dubbed "the invisible hand of the economy", the last year or so that hand had a bunch of little strings tied to it making it a puppet, this will break those strings.

[chichisan]

The problem with this is the fact that some people are not going to be willing to change their current prices. In fact, this loss of kron might cause others to drive prices up in an attempt to gain it all back. People are greedy, irrational, and lazy. Tell me how many people are going to stop selling Xens for 3 million, rare enhancement items for around 1 million, and Pet Quest items for around 400-900k kron.

Eh, it's simple really. If I cant afford a xen at 3 mill and a leather at 1 mill I simply wont buy it. How about we play the game? Silkion, Hypermills, ect, drop on EVERY map. Wheather soloing or AOEing you're gonna get it. We all know where and from what pet quest items drop. There's even guides on them xD Go find them yourself yea? After the feeze on xens I've been aoeing the same map for a week ( A WEEK D< ugh!) and I've gotten 6 xens dropped. Not to mention we have events where we get shiny red stones as prizes *.* This isnt impossible, people should learn to adjust, I hope they do. Lets play Sos again ;3

[End]

If you dont level anymore and just here to "chat". Why are you even complaining about losing kron. Blah ~ *poofs off to AOE*

[dylanangel]

Eh, it's simple really. If I cant afford a xen at 3 mill and a leather at 1 mill I simply wont buy it. How about we play the game? Silkion, Hypermills, ect, drop on EVERY map. Wheather soloing or AOEing you're gonna get it. We all know where and from what pet quest items drop. There's even guides on them xD Go find them yourself yea? After the feeze on xens I've been aoeing the same map for a week ( A WEEK D< ugh!) and I've gotten 6 xens dropped. Not to mention we have events where we get shiny red stones as prizes *.* This isnt impossible, people should learn to adjust, I hope they do. Lets play Sos again ;3

[End]

If you dont level anymore and just here to "chat". Why are you even complaining about losing kron. Blah ~ *poofs off to AOE*
Because im a member of the community, because I log in EVERY day. Because its MY stuff to complain about. Because I CAN ;)

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Personally i rather see them removing a massive amount of krons than doing nothing and let this game die in pain and suffering because of few jack-of-all-trades have decide to try destroy this game and make leave even more people.

That's quite simple, if people are not glad with the result after the maintenance, u know where the exit door is. Either u take the result and move on or cry in the forums or in-game about it, quit and uninstall the game(which should be pretty stupid in my opinion if u have put like 1 year and above of gaming play on this game).

[aiyana.fiorenza]

Eh, it's simple really. If I cant afford a xen at 3 mill and a leather at 1 mill I simply wont buy it. How about we play the game? Silkion, Hypermills, ect, drop on EVERY map. Wheather soloing or AOEing you're gonna get it. We all know where and from what pet quest items drop. There's even guides on them xD Go find them yourself yea? After the feeze on xens I've been aoeing the same map for a week ( A WEEK D< ugh!) and I've gotten 6 xens dropped. Not to mention we have events where we get shiny red stones as prizes *.* This isnt impossible, people should learn to adjust, I hope they do. Lets play Sos again ;3

[End]

If you dont level anymore and just here to "chat". Why are you even complaining about losing kron. Blah ~ *poofs off to AOE*

Because I was so talking about myself, yeah? The majority of people in this game are lazy. There are tons of shops in Brynhild making a killing off of pet quest items because of this reason. Personally? I do farm, thank you. I know how to farm. I worked hard for a lot of items. Guess what I did with stuff I had left over? I sold them for a quick bit of kron. And guess where that kron is going? No one knows; it's just disappearing for a reason that the community will end up sorely disappointed in.

Misguided optimism is well and good for the time being, but a lot of people are going to find some way around this kron cap and have a monopoly over the kron shops. Not to mention the lift on xens when the problem isn't solved at all. There's still a superfluous amount of xens in circulation, whether hard-earned or duplicated. The economy will be the exact same as it was before this exploitation problem got out of hand.

Also, there are high-level players who have a nice little nest egg tucked away for when the game either shapes up or, if not totally ruined with bitterness over a glaring lack of new content and bad handling, for when new maps come out. And just because someone likes to just sit and chat doesn't mean they don't like having a nice amount of kron that they made sitting in their pockets.

[waffaddict]

I think a little more information from the GMs would be nice. Because based on what Phibes stated, its only gonna cause panic and chaos. We've already got people worried about losing large amounts of kron, since no specific limit or range was listed. I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of shops bought out with people buying items so they don't waste "lose" kron.

[chichisan]

Because I was so talking about myself, yeah? The majority of people in this game are lazy. There are tons of shops in Brynhild making a killing off of pet quest items because of this reason. Personally? I do farm, thank you. I know how to farm. I worked hard for a lot of items. Guess what I did with stuff I had left over? I sold them for a quick bit of kron. And guess where that kron is going? No one knows; it's just disappearing for a reason that the community will end up sorely disappointed in.

Misguided optimism is well and good for the time being, but a lot of people are going to find some way around this kron cap and have a monopoly over the kron shops. Not to mention the lift on xens when the problem isn't solved at all. There's still a superfluous amount of xens in circulation, whether hard-earned or duplicated. The economy will be the exact same as it was before this exploitation problem got out of hand.

Also, there are high-level players who have a nice little nest egg tucked away for when the game either shapes up or, if not totally ruined with bitterness over a glaring lack of new content and bad handling, for when new maps come out. And just because someone likes to just sit and chat doesn't mean they don't like having a nice amount of kron that they made sitting in their pockets.

Ooopsies. I was answering in general. I did not direct any answer to you, nor did I inquire what you do with whatever you have. I was just providing an answer to what can be done if people are hard to adjust. I'm sorry that you took my answer personally. Honestly I was not referring to you in any way, shape or form. Sorry for that misunderstanding ;3


Because im a member of the community, because I log in EVERY day. Because its MY stuff to complain about. Because I CAN ;)

Actually o.o....nothing is mine or yours on here. Not even my guild name belongs to me. *pokes Terms of Service* But if you wanna complain because you CAN, go right ahead. Dont get a headache over it though, not worth it.

*hugs everyone* Yeepee~~!

[dylanangel]

I think a little more information from the GMs would be nice. Because based on what Phibes stated, its only gonna cause panic and chaos. We've already got people worried about losing large amounts of kron, since no specific limit or range was listed. I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of shops bought out with people buying items so they don't waste "lose" kron.

I agree. We need more answers.

[monchkinz1518]

shoulda done this earlier so they could have avoided more kron lost from players

[poochyenarulez]

I think a little more information from the GMs would be nice. Because based on what Phibes stated, its only gonna cause panic and chaos. We've already got people worried about losing large amounts of kron, since no specific limit or range was listed. I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of shops bought out with people buying items so they don't waste "lose" kron.

well, they shouldn't give to much info, cause depending on wat they do, alot of people with lots and lots of kron could buy TONS of pots and then after maintenance, they could sell them pots back to npc, and have lots of kron, and somewat defeat the purpose of this,
but for that to work on ur advantage, it really depends on howmuch kron u got now, and wat there going to do to reduce the kron

[LightintheDarkness]

Hmmm. I really would like more information about what they're going to do since I just got back above 100M in kron. I'm not really rich by many people's standards in Adeline, but If they cut it down to 50M per account... I'd lose half my kron. Now to be completely honest, while I never bought any xens or high price items, I did essentially use the inflated economy to amass the kron that I have by selling any non-mage class 6ap gears i found and by farming pet quest stuff. I'm am particularly worried about losing a lot of kron simply because...I DON"T HAVE A CHARACTER CAPABLE OF AOE! I can't get all that money back quickly at ALL. It took me several years to get what I have, and I don't want to lose half of it. If they'd be even just a little more specific about what they're planning to do, I think i could accept it, even if they were planning on capping kron at 50M. It's just the fear of the unknown here that's driving people nuts.

I really hope the GM's will give us a little more info on what they plan to do just so that we aren't as scared about losing so much. Here's hoping they cap it at 100M like last time! *crosses fingers and uses his B-day wish for NOT losing half his kron x.x*

[nativepride311]

I doubt they will give any more info on what there going to do. If they say they are going to set a cap to say 50mill Kron. Most people will just move there extra kron to alt accounts and to storage guilds to keep all there kron. By not telling us there plan it may help get every one to a even playing field. I don't currently play SoS (Waiting on CB2 of Erebus) But I do agree with what ther trying to do. When I do come back and play again I would like to have a stable economy to come back too.

[opensunflowers]

Indeed, there should be someone here on the forums watching for this exact thread to answer any questions, even if they are just repeating themselves.

I think this kron reset is the best solution. Can anyone think of any better ones, before they rip this down? Legitimate question, not tryin to be a sarcastic poop-head.

P.S.
Is the kron gonna be "all the kron on your account" or "all the kron on each character"?
Because I've always kept pretty much about the same amount of kron on all 5 characters... would this be a possible way for people to get around this reset thing? @_x'

[wardomic]

shhhh don't give people ideas on how to save themselves.

Anyways that is a good question. I'm prepared for both scenarios of entire account vs. per character/storage so i'm safe,

[himoses]

How some people defeated the last kron reset (hint, hint Outspark):

1. Created multiple storage guilds on multiple accounts and evenly distributed kron.

2. Evenly distributed kron amongst all characters on multiple accounts.

3. Purchased anything of value that was for sale like pets, ap 6 gear, pet quest items

4. Purchased limit of every NPC item

Why I am against the kron reset:

1. I will lose my precious kron and whatever else. Hopefully I can keep my legally gained xens (minus the 75 I picked up when the glitchers struck whom I thought were quitting), 2 pets, and 1 mount.

2. Much of the kron and such that I have has been gained through trading items I enhanced with Sparkcash which cost me a lot of real in life money. Last time I was for a kron reset. Now that I have a lot of money invested, I am against it because it is like taking away my real life invested money.

3. The compensation Outspark offers will probably be non-existant or lame at best.

4. I really don't feel like aoeing my way back to afford all my gears again. Grind, grind, grind *vomits*, grinds still yet some more...

Guess there is nothing to do but accept whatever they do or quit. *Ponders*

[opensunflowers]

I've been hearing 10% is the reduction?

10% of a billion is what, 1 billion? That leaves someone with 9 billion...that's still a ridiculous amount of kron.

I disagree with percentage reductions.
100 mil as a cap sounds good to me.
If you did it once, you can do it again.

The greater good is at stake, yada yada yada blah blah blah!

[Magusbrrj]

Gms/Outspark/DnC... SO slow on acting! Slow on giving the solution......
* Kron hack last year...
* Items/kron cloning this time...

Server rollback should have been done on BOTH situations 1 day after the "events"!
Heck, even 1 week later would be better than kron wipe!
But then again, it´s too much to ask for them to act fast using the most simple solution.........................................

More than 1 year without any new considerable content like new maps...

"Who cares about new maps? We won´t do it. And on top of that, we´ll even increase Sc items price!"

The above things mentioned + Support team(CSR and DnC) slowness in answering/caring + some other things tell me it´s not worth to buy Sparkcash anymore.

I´ll just keep playing using my 3 perm items, mounts, pets, pearls and gears.
I hope they use this "event" to learn to act faster next time and handle the game in a better and more efficient way.
Ok. I´m happy. I said things I always wanted to say to people that control this game.

[Sawars]

*sigh*

See, this is why I quit on Adeline right after the kron exploit/hack. I earned my krons legitimately before the exploit/hack, granite I don't have over 40 mil in kron. I hope I don't lose it just like everyone else. I still appear every now and then on Adeline because I too love the community there.

When Outspark was thinking of the roll back idea, they should have done it. It would have saved a lot of hassle as well as a lot of old school players from fully quitting.

I too have not spent much in SparkCash recently because I don't feel as though my hard earned money is going towards any improvement and I have been playing for over 2 years now. It's time to wake up Outspark, get DnC on the line and get this game rolling. You said you always want to make your players happy....listen to us....hear us cry....you know what we want and yet we get the shaft every time something goes wrong. As a business woman myself, I do not feel as though I am being treated as a customer of Outspark. I feel more like I have been tossed into the dirt, kicked around, and spat on.

*this was not said out of anger, it was out of pure frusteration*

[comp4ssion]

It's a good idea I think. Who cares if you earned all your kron. Less kron will mean lower prices so it evens out.

People who quit or complain about losing all their hard earned kron and crap- learn to take two for the team...?

Fixed that for you. ;D

Guys. Don't bother posting. Seriously. I just got back from a one-week [edited by poster] LOVELY VACATION IN SUNNY PARADISE [end edit] because I stood up and spoke the truth. We aren't getting our money's worth out of this game anymore. Earlier today, I went to write a message to some CSRs. Spent well over an hour just making sure my anger didn't get the better of me; double checking my entire message again and again to tone down the flames a little bit and make a concerted effort to at least TRY to be respectful.

And you know what? The message got kicked back unreceivable because they don't care to hear from us about how they're doing. The time I spent on this message trying to explain why we're all so unhappy, as well as to guide them in the right direction was just as wasted as every dime I've spent on Sparkcash on the game so far.

I copied and pasted it to send it to the GMs too, but....same thing.

The GMs pretend to care, and they put some effort out on occasion, but they're still not earning their paychecks. And at least in my eyes, they won't be earning their paychecks until they realize that we're a lot more than just a bunch of noisy twelve-year-olds that they need to remind to play nice. We are a consortium of hundreds of people who pay OUR money to play THEIR game, whose funds they gladly collect but on whose deaf ears our suggestions and feedback fall. They say they're listening to our feedback. They say they're trying. But the tens of thousands upon tens of thousands more posts with utterly brilliant player ideas get ignored time and again because pushing out new ways to milk us for every dime they can get out of us in the SC shop is a higher priority.

To the GMs and the CSRs who might respond to this post: Please, just don't bother. Your time is valuable and I'm sure you have more important things to do than respond to the naysayings of one hot-headed high-school girl who, according to your actions, knows nothing of how to run a business or what is and isn't good for a company (despite my plans to double major in business law and macroeconomics). If you say you're taking our advice, then please prove it by actually doing something to improve the quality of gameplay. Meanwhile, we might get outdoors for a bit to enjoy a lovely spring and give you all the elbow room you need to do what you KNOW, deep down, you need to do. And hey...if you're not taking our advice or listening to our suggestions, fine; at least we get the satisfaction of knowing we were right all along. In that case, and as long as we don't play or buy from the SC shop until you do some serious work on the game, it's a win-win for us.

[tomcat47]

O.O I could have sworn I saw a message by your other account, comp. But..now its gone. Lol.

Anyways. I agree with some of what you said, but the GMs can't do all of what we want. What are they supposed to do besides pass on suggestions to DNC and moderate the game/forum?

I know it's a late action, and a server rollback was a better option, but I'll appreciate them trying to do something instead of nothing. At least it's some effort. ;x

[wardomic]

you aren't the only one who saw it, but anyways a roll back would have been nice, to before the items started dropping, ban the accounts responsible, and do the investigation they've been doing for the past week, and then if it was deemed necessary the fix they are planning to do on a lesser degree. Oh and i think they should have waited til when maint started to tell us they would remove krons from the game.

[witchblade001]

well i heard the news and came to see if it was true. To my NOT so suprise it was. Outspark is at it again running off players. Glad i chose to move on to another game that doesn't herd us like cattle. Like i always have learned the customer is always right, There are tons of free games out there that don't treat you like this.

We have spent hours upon hours grinding and aoeing getting what we have earned in this game. What is the point of doing all that if they swoop in and change it when they feel like it? It becomes pointless to play a game trying to achieve goals when they are taken away.

Even game glitches CSR has failed to apologize and pushed the blame on me. I am not the only person i have heard this happen to. Is it so difficult to keep a player happy or is it just sadism? This type of god complex will be Outsparks undoing.

[sabooragha]

nothing gona be fair cuz nevver was such thing(fair) in this game
if they wana decreas prise rise drop rate for pet quest item and make 1hur CT for pet quest like orginla game
im never gona be happey if lose my mony im dont get them easy

[wardomic]

Please remember the reason why a bunch of krons are going to be removed from the game on adeline is because a select group of players exploited a glitch giving them the power to have near infinite amounts of items/krons and it's spread across the land of xen. It's gone on for so long and spread so far the best course of action is to just remove as much kron as possible. I hear it's goign to be a lower kron cap than last year too, which i'm fine with.

[techno-viking]

I think a kron reset is a good thing to have periodically anyway, as it helps keep prices down which in turn helps keep the server new player friendly.

What people seem to forget is kron is relative whether you have 1 bil and sell a +5 ap6 gear for 100 mil or if you have 100 mil and sell a +5 ap6 gear for 10 mil....it's all the same but just with smaller numbers.

Whats the alternative? leave everything as it is? leave the 100,000's of xens, 100's billions of kron, 100,000'sof pets and pearls and wings and mounts in the game? where would the challenge in that? and how would new players be able to join this server and afford all the items they need?

some of you need to stop being selfish...suck it up and get grinding or quit/take a break.

[himoses]

some of you need to stop being selfish...suck it up and get grinding or quit/take a break.

I'm sure there will be plenty of that.

The most upsetting things have been the time it takes OS to do something, losing actual real money investment value, and the lack of specifics. It is just a game, but the whole heavy-handed post about reducing kron to be like Mariane is a joke. If OS wants us all to be like Mariane, why not just reset the whole server, ban all of the old timers, and force the few addicts that remain to change/modulate their IP addresses to be able to play on the "new" Adeline server?

I still EXPECT compensation with any reset that occurs due to the nature of having my in-life real money tied in to kron. You can say it is not OS's fault, but they distribute the game and the "buck stops here." The game had a bad glitch that any experienced bug tester should have caught in closed beta. Whether it be a week of 100% boost, free sc items, or free gear enhancements....I want some sort of compensation.

[techno-viking]

I'm sure there will be plenty of that.

The most upsetting things have been the time it takes OS to do something, losing actual real money investment value, and the lack of specifics. It is just a game, but the whole heavy-handed post about reducing kron to be like Mariane is a joke. If OS wants us all to be like Mariane, why not just reset the whole server, ban all of the old timers, and force the few addicts that remain to change/modulate their IP addresses to be able to play on the "new" Adeline server?

I still EXPECT compensation with any reset that occurs due to the nature of having my in-life real money tied in to kron. You can say it is not OS's fault, but they distribute the game and the "buck stops here." The game had a bad glitch that any experienced bug tester should have caught in closed beta. Whether it be a week of 100% boost, free sc items, or free gear enhancements....I want some sort of compensation.


To be fair to them they did move on this quicker than they did with the kron hack...and plenty of people in the community knew about these hackers/cloners and didn't say anything, so everyone is to blame to some degree.

What im worried about the most is are they going to do the same pointless kron wipe as they did last time? because that was a joke and it didn't get rid of even a 1/4 of the hacked kron...lets just pray they learnt lessons from last time.


Also would not be surprised if adeline and marian get merged in the next month anyway, as the populations of both servers don't seem to be very high.

[poochyenarulez]

(1+ weeks ago)people of solstice: "rawr! i hate outspark, there not doing anything about the kron exploit"

(now)people of solstice: "rawr! i hate outspark, there deleteing some of my kron!"

anyways, just like all the other times, gms tried to fix a problem, then everyone complains about it
there tring to help the game, if u don't like how there fixing it, well, i haven't heard many other solutions to fixing the economy on here, besides a roll back, which is out of the question

[fattygirl]

Sure a roll back is out of the question now, but it could have been done IMMEDIATELY after they found out about the exploit/glitch. Personally I would rather have lost 2 or 3 days work/grinding than lose possibly over half my kron. I have been playing since 2007, -closed Beta and I never got any hacked kron or cloned items. All my stuff has been hard earned. I dont see how kron wipe is anywhere near fair. The ppl who got the dirty kron will still have whatever percentage of it that is left after we ALL get wiped.

[poochyenarulez]

like i said before, almost everyone has some exploited kron, its spread out through the whole game, there no real way to tell who has the fake kron, and who don't

[fattygirl]

Lol by that reckoning then theres no way of telling who has cloned gears, pets xens either so y not wipe everything? They CAN tell who has exploited kron from database, just takes work thats all. But easier to wipe kron from innocent players of course.

[poochyenarulez]

Lol by that reckoning then theres no way of telling who has cloned gears, pets xens either so y not wipe everything? They CAN tell who has exploited kron from database, just takes work thats all. But easier to wipe kron from innocent players of course.

yea, and they've banned them people, but wat them people do is spread that kron around by buying items from shops, and things like that
and because no one knows that who buys things in ur shop, u don't know if its hacked kron or not, and its not like gms are one 24/7, so if some1 starts spreading the kron around, it could be hours before gms relize wat is going on

[techno-viking]

If they take a % of everyone's kron, then you will all still be as rich as you were before the wipe and will have absolutely nothing to complain about.

The only thing that could mess it up is the communities greed.

So it's up to everyone to lower prices after maintenance and get our economy back to a manageable level for old players, new players, rich players and poor players....if we as a community don't then we will only have ourselves to blame.

[MetallicaX]

It's not like kron had much value to begin with.

[kerupted]

well i guess its safe to say that this game is just like the trade market.....
one day ur worth alot in gears and the the prices drop...(like allgears from lvl85 down)
i remember when the ppl were paying 15m for a plain ap6 lvl85 armor....
and now its gonna happen with the kron....(having millions/billions)
i mean ya i was stocked the day i had 100m+ but i dont like having money sitting doing nothing....
imean i always use the xens i have on gears, and spend the kron of gears or PQ items i will need or to myfriends/guildies....but ppl just wanted to be rich rich rich....and for what....

i think this kron reset will help the adeline server.....yes u will lose alot of kron but then u can aoe a few times in higher maps(for higher lvls) and be able to buy what u need then...but i really dont know becuz i use what i get and dont try to hold onto 500m+ kron....i just lvl and farm PQ items instead of buying sumthing for 100m and try to resell for 110m for a 10m profit....i just get money from my npc'd drops....i usually make from 5-10m a day in npc and i get exp....

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

First, they didn't even tell in the post they made how much they gonna remove, even if GMs tell the amount of kron they gonna dosen't mean it is gonna be that amount they mention in-game because they know many players will start complainning about it.

Second, wait for the maintenance be done before jumping to conclusion and see the result after this.

Third, if u are not glad with the result, complain whatever u want or quit this game and uninstall it. what gonna be done will be done and no matter which result it's gonna give, u have two choices after this:

Either u accept the result and move on in the game or leave the game and uninstall it, the choice is urs!!!

[Rorin_V]

Everybody remember in elementary school when the whole class had to put their heads down because two or three people were talking and goofing off? I do. I hated that too. Why? Because I personally hadn't done anything wrong. This is the same thing.

The last time around I was all for a server rollback, even though it would mean I'd lose two to three levels, depending on how far the rollback went. Why? Because that would have meant that everyone was in the same boat. Instead, I went from being 'upper middle class' to dirt poor in the blink of an eye simply because I wasn't online at the right time to benefit. The kron cap back then did absolutely nothing to improve being dirt poor for me either because I didn't have obscene amounts of kron to begin with. I forget what the kron cap was, but I think it was 100 million. At that time I think I had about 20mil because I'd just started my guild. So even if someone had all their billions of hacked krons in one place, after the kron cap, they'd still have 5 times more kron than I did. And we all know that people spread that kron out as far as they could; storage guilds, alts, other accounts, friends, etc. I felt bad for those that had earned their money legitimately then, but I was ticked that because I played by the rules, I ended up way behind the curve.

This time around, I admit I don't have a good solution, because there's no way to know how long the cloning has been going on. Simply resetting the server to the time before huge amounts of cloned items hit the server won't solve the problem because the cloned items might still be there in various places. I don't think a kron cap will solve the problem either. The best solution is probably a percentage reduction of all kron because then everyone will be in the same boat, and I can live with that. Of course, the actual percentage reduction matters, too, because of talk of people buying potions, etc. and then NPCing them after the maintenance for half their value. If the percentage reduction in kron is more than 50%, then anyone who banked on that ends up ahead of everybody else when they NPC their items. If it's less than 50% then anyone who bought lots of NPC items ends up behind. If it's a flat cap on kron like last time, then those who have more than the cap, legit or not, are punished. I already said how I feel about being punished for something that someone else did or didn't do. Also, I'm not quite sure how a kron reduction, however it's done now, will help, since it was items that were cloned, not kron (unless I missed something).

So, yeah, take one for the team? Maybe if all the team members were playing fair it wouldn't rankle so much. Maybe if I was SURE that Outspark/DNC had removed all the cloned items, closed the exploit that allowed it in the first place, and had permanently banned all those responsible and made it impossible for them to create new accounts I'd feel a bit differently.

This is one time I'm not putting my head down with the rest of the class, because I know I didn't do anything wrong. (Partly because I had already abandoned ship to a better "world" before all this happened so I wasn't online to benefit from the exploits. Of course I can't say where, because then other people might get ideas about leaving Outspark too.)

[Magusbrrj]

I wanted to see GMs posting in this thread.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

I wanted to see GMs posting in this thread.

After the maintenance, they will :rolleyes:

[sevnredseven]

Adjusting the kron levels for the game is what we've needed for well over a year now. I remember a time when having 100,000 kron meant something, and oh how giddy you got if you were actually able to break 1,000,000! People used to sell good gears and quest items for excellent prices. There is a thread here in the forums that used to be updated regularly that reflected the market prices as it fluctuated, and it was the unspoken rulebook we all used to go by. Do a search, you'll find it here somewhere.

While I know the prices probably go that low again, they can go a lot lower than they are now and everyone can still benefit from buying and selling. Fixing the economy lays on our shoulders as the community. If we all agree to it, things can easily get back to an acceptable supply/demand structure. I mean really, if you think having 300 million in kron in your storage makes you special, you're sorely mistaken. Considering you'll be spending 40-50 million for a good +5/ap6 gear or a bunch of quest items, you can't buy much with that over inflated bank roll you have. Sure, it looks cool seeing all of those zeros, but it won't go very far.

I also don't see the point to being uber rich in this game. Unlike the real world, having a lot of money in the game doesn't give you a huge advantage, especially to us high level players. I'm at a point in the game to where I have all the mounts, pets, items, and just shy a few gears of what I've ever needed or wanted. Having a huge kron amount does me no good. And I know I'm not the only one of us out here who feels this way. The GM's can take all of my kron away, it won't bother me. I'm at a point to where I can easily pull in over 3 million a day just aoeing and npc-ing all the junk drops I get. Yay, I'll be back up to having a bunch of useless currency in no time!!! Imagine how difficult it is for a brand new player to get anywhere with our current economy. It's bound to turn new people away. If this game is to survive for another year or more, it's going to need new players to have the torch passed to. A kron adjustment is crucial for the new members of the community.

I'm glad the GM's are finally fixing the economy. Maybe now people wll actually use kron instead of xen stones as currency. Keep in mind everyone, that xen stones were never intended or meant to be used as currency in the game. If everyone works together on this, we can all get pets and gears and everything else you want to have. A strong community, solid teamwork ethics, and paying it forward was what made this game so great in the first place. It's about time we have that sort of environment again.

[Steel-H]

hehe, idk what do u think but ill sell my items for xens->" Xens only". xD
nobody knows how much ppl will be able to pay for xens so, the xen value never change: 1xen for standart 6ap gear, 2-3 xens for rare 6ap gear, and 3 or more xens for a hard to find 6ap gear.
if you sell for kron, maybe u will be scammed xD, be careful. (or maybe you want to scamm ppl 0=)
(why i need to sell my items to you for kronz if i need xens?)

and economy dont exist on a rpg xD, if you think that reseting the kronz you will be able to buy some items easy, you are wrong. we will see ppl shouting selling xens for best offer, so, you will need to be the best bidder in order to get those xens(easy? xD). and we will see ppl shouting buying xens for X price, and other ppl will set their shops with xens a bite more high than those shouts(easy?)

[MusuMith]

I was here for the first Kron exploit back in 08 , and quit because of it. That being said I can see why people are getting upset , but honestly , from what I've heard and seen from people who still play , Kron is still next to worthless.Should they have rolled back when this happened? Yes. Did they? No. That being said , can everyone PLEASE stop directing their anger at outspark? Seriously , they mess alot of things up , but this solution WILL work, if the community lets it. It has been stated SEVERAL times that just because you only have 100m instead of 200 , doesn't mean you can't buy the same items as before. You know what will stop it? Greed. From what I hear people have monopoly over items , and since they didn't clear the xens( did they , confused on this situation atm ) ap 6 gears , pet mats , and other goods people clearly will still take advantage of this to save their KRON Solution is REAL simple , don't buy the stuff

[siruschaos]

I was here for the first Kron exploit back in 08 , and quit because of it. That being said I can see why people are getting upset , but honestly , from what I've heard and seen from people who still play , Kron is still next to worthless.Should they have rolled back when this happened? Yes. Did they? No. That being said , can everyone PLEASE stop directing their anger at outspark? Seriously , they mess alot of things up , but this solution WILL work, if the community lets it. It has been stated SEVERAL times that just because you only have 100m instead of 200 , doesn't mean you can't buy the same items as before. You know what will stop it? Greed. From what I hear people have monopoly over items , and since they didn't clear the xens( did they , confused on this situation atm ) ap 6 gears , pet mats , and other goods people clearly will still take advantage of this to save their zeny. Solution is REAL simple , don't buy the stuff

^This.

There are hardly any actual kron sinks in this game that demands such excessive wealth anyways. Everything else done is mostly player traded, and that is not a kron sink.

and ROFLOLMAO at bolded word.

[MusuMith]

* face palm* sorry was playing another mmo XD

[sevnredseven]

hehe, idk what do u think but ill sell my items for xens->" Xens only". xD
nobody knows how much ppl will be able to pay for xens so, the xen value never change: 1xen for standart 6ap gear, 2-3 xens for rare 6ap gear, and 3 or more xens for a hard to find 6ap gear.
if you sell for kron, maybe u will be scammed xD, be careful. (or maybe you want to scamm ppl 0=)
(why i need to sell my items to you for kronz if i need xens?)

and economy dont exist on a rpg xD, if you think that reseting the kronz you will be able to buy some items easy, you are wrong. we will see ppl shouting selling xens for best offer, so, you will need to be the best bidder in order to get those xens(easy? xD). and we will see ppl shouting buying xens for X price, and other ppl will set their shops with xens a bite more high than those shouts(easy?)

There it is right there. This is why things only get worse and we never see the economy changing. Why sell for krons? Gee, well I don't know, how about for the simple fact that that's they were created for. If you need xens, buy xens, if you need gears, buy gears, but do it with krons, and do it for an acceptable price.

If everyone in the game banded together and agreed to buy and sell at fair prices, you wouldn't have to have 100 million in the bank, or see shouts saying c/o 100 xens pm more offers. People would be able to get what they need, and it will force xen prices down at the same time. You would find that xens would still be accessible when they're needed. Think about it...POX events will still happen and the xen drop rate doesn't have to change. The only change we'll see is a drop in the amount of money we have to acquire to get them.

Oh and FYI...You stated that there is no economy in an RPG. I however, would like to point out that when there is a form of currency being exchanged or bartered for goods or services (albeit virtually animated in a game) that my friend is indeed the basic foundation of an economy.

[jvlarita]

Greed is part of human nature. Playing a game such as this intensifies the greed for a simple fact that it's only a game and it can be exploited in any which way you want, full stop.

[ashram303]

I'm sure the GM's are only lowering the krons we have makin us have our economy prices low like marian i still dun find it fair to all the ppl who had EARNED all thier krons by hard wrk

[siruschaos]

the server is now open. Please enjoy!

-kron on adeline server has not been impacted tonight. We will make changes in the near future. I apologize for the inconvenience. A special apology goes out to all those players who spent so much time making dozens and dozens of alts to hide their kron. I guess that was a waste of time :)

Well there you have it folks.

ROFLOLMAO

[jrgoofy]

LMAO

That is really funny

[BellaAnimorum]

"Dozens and dozens"...

o_O!!

Wow.

[wardomic]

-Kron on Adeline server has not been impacted tonight. We will make changes in the near future. I apologize for the inconvenience. A special apology goes out to all those players who spent so much time making dozens and dozens of alts to hide their Kron. I guess that was a waste of time

LMAO, wow, well I suppose now they will think about a better solution than whatever they had planned. I'm thinking they will either do a percentage reduction which would undoubtedly remove more kron than capping everyone, or they will move everyone's kron into the hotel storage and cap it there.

[techno-viking]

A special apology goes out to all those players who spent so much time making dozens and dozens of alts to hide their Kron. I guess that was a waste of time

well there you have it, the community screwing over the community...way to go greedy people, you must be really desperate to kill the game.

[TheDarkSenshi]

>_>;; man.. does it get any better then this? LMAO!~

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

I knew it from the start, GMs say it all in that post that it is the players that screw this economy of this game.

[nad_papillon]

Nice April fools guys :)


Edit : I would like to know if the duplicated xens have been removed from the game ...

[himoses]

Smart move OS. Now u get to see what we actually do in case you didn't believe our posts. If you are going to wipe kron, might as well wipe it all or cap it at 1 million. All the greedy people with lots of kron will stock up on as much items as possible to "hide" their kron. Before any kron is wiped, please just give us a bunch of events/gifts/exp boost/whatever as compensation and clearly explain in email, green news, o+ posts, and forums what you are doing. I hate to lose my stash, but it is just a game. Again, I would be more mad that kron will be wiped WITHOUT compensation. I said my peace...now I go to play with interesting new game features...

[Rorin_V]

Well, there you have it. I believe someone said something about taking one for the team? And I responded, "Sure, if all the team members were playing fair." Proof that they're not, right there. I have neither the time nor the energy nor the inclination to create "dozens and dozens" of alts to hide my kron, so had they simply capped kron, I would have been out in the cold yet again.

Here's a clue, Outspark. 50% kron reduction of ALL kron everywhere, including hotel, guild storage, etc. That way anyone who tries to circumvent it by buying millions of potions or something still doesn't benefit.

And now we wait.

[Steel-H]

There it is right there. This is why things only get worse and we never see the economy changing. Why sell for krons? Gee, well I don't know, how about for the simple fact that that's they were created for. If you need xens, buy xens, if you need gears, buy gears, but do it with krons, and do it for an acceptable price.

If everyone in the game banded together and agreed to buy and sell at fair prices, you wouldn't have to have 100 million in the bank, or see shouts saying c/o 100 xens pm more offers. People would be able to get what they need, and it will force xen prices down at the same time. You would find that xens would still be accessible when they're needed. Think about it...POX events will still happen and the xen drop rate doesn't have to change. The only change we'll see is a drop in the amount of money we have to acquire to get them.

Oh and FYI...You stated that there is no economy in an RPG. I however, would like to point out that when there is a form of currency being exchanged or bartered for goods or services (albeit virtually animated in a game) that my friend is indeed the basic foundation of an economy.

xD yeah you are right, that is an economy, on one economy the price of things never change and all the ppl are able to buy all they need to survive/enjoy, on this case, to play and lvl up: like you find 1 xen stone and you will be able to buy 1 6ap gear, but, whats hap if there are only a few pieces of determinated type of gear on all the land of xen? and we are lots of ppl looking for that piece? <--- that is ur "Economy"
Nope, that is a MMORPG, only who pay more got the item, yeah, that is, nub ppl never got the best items, only who work or be lucky to find a rare item can offer more than others and got that gear.

And why i need to sell my items to you for krons if i need xens? so, i need to sell my gear to you for krons an look for any ppl who sell xens for kron and buy? so, i need to work for you?

if you need my item, you need to buy xens with your krons because i want xens, you are wrong on "currency" item like with "economy", this is not a shop game, this is an Trade System Game, TRADE not shop, remember that

and pls, dont blame new and nub ppl for high prices, they are happy for find a precious xen stone, and when they want a good trade for them(krons-gear-items) they only got bad words. (im still remember when everyone was crying for xens long time ago, i got some blames from ppl saying like "omXg ppl, you are idiot!! dont buy xens over a mill" xD, im payed 1.3, so lame..)

[Hitohira]

And why i need to sell my items to you for krons if i need xens? so, i need to sell my gear to you for krons an look for any ppl who sell xens for kron and buy? so, i need to work for you?

if you need my item, you need to buy xens with your krons because i want xens, you are wrong on "currency" item like with "economy"

You gotta be the most selfish guy I've ever seen out there o_O You need Xens so people have to buy your stuff with Xens ? But why don't you use your xens yourself with your krons ? It's exactly the same -_-"
No wonder prices are high with people like you.

[Steel-H]

hehe, this is a MMORPG guys, i know everyone want to get all ur gears +6 6ap, i know everyone want to get their Lv10 def pet(i know everyone want a kitty/fairy) i know everyone want to get their Lv3 def/attack mount and lots of xens(i do), but, on these games(mmorpg), only a few ppl got them, and not, not the new/nub ppl, not, not the ppl who only chat all day, not, not the ppl who play on events and spend lots of money on sc, not, not the ppl who think this is an economy and only for playing this game and kill a mob they will be able to get all they want, not.
only who work hard, only who play lots of time, farming, grinding, trading, etc, only the experienced ppl, who dont blame to new/nub ppl for high prices, only who say thank you for sell this item, my item!, expensive and bring me more time to get all you want for them(xens/krons/items/pets) and beat the c.o. only those players(rares) got the best items. not you

and for the xen "currency", yeah, if you need one item you need to ask to the owner what he want for them, if he need xens, he will ask you for xens(or other item or, maybe maybe, for kron). <-- that is a game trade system(no shop-currency-economy)