Why you shouldn't make a mage.

[lilnub]

I know i should be making why you should rather than why you shouldn't in this area of the forum but i would just like to share my thoughts to the new guys who just joined fiesta and are planning on making a mage.

I have a lvl 36 full +9 mage in Bijou and I know being a lvl 36 mage cannot know everything but I think the things i list below do apply to most mage in fiesta.

here is a few reasons why you shouldn't:

1. Stating the obvious... low def
2. Stating another obvious ... low base hp
3. Because of your low hp, your stone heals very little
4. No matter how strong you are, you will still have issues soloing bosses
5. You aren't very strong in pvp until you get to like lvl 60 +
6. Since this game introduced +9 accessories everyone gets higher magic defense
7. It is hard to know what skills to upgrade, what skills you don't need to upgrade.

Yes, most of the problems above can be solved by reach the forum carefully but i doubt all the mmorpg newbies read the forum before playing the game.

Now i'll explain the points above in greater details

1. no need to explain.

2. no need to explain.

3. In this game there are things called "hp/sp stones" It is rather like potions but it heals a certain % of base hp (your hp with no gears). With you low base hp your stone won't heal much. Yes you can use potion in pve but people in this game dislike people who use potions in pvp aka potters.

4. Like I said, my mage is full +9 blue (strongest gears you can get for a lvl 36) and i still cannot solo a dungeon boss which is around my level. With clerics and fighters you can definately solo bosses (not sure about archers)

5. Once you reach to around lvl 60 + you get better skills which works well in pvp. At low lvl you have one skills to defend from yourself - mana burn but this skill has a long cool down which is not ideal in a long pvp match.

6. After this game introduced +9 accessories, mages just get weaker and weaker down the lvls. At lvl 36, a fighter with full +9 accessories have more mdef than a mage with at least +3~6 accessories. (like most mmorpg fighters usually have the lowest magic defense)

7. Because mages have so many skills, you really need to know which one to upgrade and which one you shouldn't otherwise you will waste your skills points. I suggest people really need to take a careful look at the pro mage threads and get a taste at what they did with their skill points and what tactic they use.

Finally just a little note of what "+9" means... It basically means that it's enchanced. For armours, if they're +9ed, they give more physical defense (this include shields). For accessories, if they're +9ed, they give more magical defense. For weapons if they're +9ed of +10ed (for a weapon to be +10 it must be lvl 50 or higher) they have higher physical of magical damage.

Thanks for reading guys :) hope you have fun not being a mage lol :p

[omgcookiesrawr]

at 81+ they pawn

[Kurayamiblack]

Except for #5 and #6, everything on that list seems like personal problems. Most of that stuff can be worked around and adapted to. Sure, you won't be the best class ever, but but the positives to being a mage outweighs the negatives.



1. Stating the obvious... low def
-- Get some END gears. Unlike End Build, END gear gives you 1 DEF per point of END instead of 0.5 per point and still rewards 5HP per point. Sure, your DEF won't come close to a Fighter or Cleric but you're a MAGE. Your def is supposed to suck. What would be the point of different classes if they all had the same advantages and disadvantages? The END in your gear won't make you awesome but it will definately help out alot.

2. Stating another obvious ... low base hp
-- Once again, END in gears rewards 5HP per point of END. You won't have nearly as much HP as Fighters and Clerics but once again this is supposed to be one of a mages weaknesses. Just compensate for it as much as possible and you should be just fine considering the mages strengths.

3. Because of your low hp, your stone heals very little
-- Very little as in percentage of your HP meter or very little as in raw numbers? Because I think the stones are percentage based for all classes, only varying in percentage when scrolls and Cleric buffs are applied because the stones still heal the raw HP number that it would have before applying those buffs. Once again, not a big deal since it would make the other classes jealous if mages were the only class that got 100% full HP back for EVERY STONE. Especially in th ePvP KQ when you're fighting the cookied mages that just won't die <_< (Archers can't kill them fast enough and fighters take forever to catch them after Lv60)

4. No matter how strong you are, you will still have issues soloing bosses
-- Same with Archers, but at least you HAVE defensive skills <_< *looks at my sig*

5. You aren't very strong in pvp until you get to like lvl 60 +
-- Use the tower of Iyzel, quest alot, and use parties for things you can't handle. And trust me, mages don't suck aat PvP before Lv60 if you have the right gear. Once you've discovered this, use the abyss for quicker grinding. You'll hit Lv60 at a decent enough pace. I did, and I almost NEVER use SparkCash so I know. My mage hit Lv60 in under a year and I was using my archer 70% of my active time that year... Yo just gotta play smart instead of depending on raw stats to do all the work for you *glares at Sparkcash'd fighters*

6. Since this game introduced +9 accessories everyone gets higher magic defense
-- Seriously? You can still kill people. I don't remember the last time my Archer beat a +9 armored (or weaponed) Fighter in PvP because my damage with a +0 bow just won't cut it, and you think mages aren't worth using because they have to work a little harder than before? Ranged units rely on brains over brawn. If you can't work it, then maybe it's just not the class for you. That doesn't mean the class itself isn't worth it.

7. It is hard to know what skills to upgrade, what skills you don't need to upgrade.
-- At first, yes it's hard to know what to upgrade. Howeveer I've found that mages also have some of the most possible combos for their skills. I've seen a mage Drain Mind an Archer then chain cast stifle him, then when the Archer double casted Nature's speed to compensate the mage purged the first one and steal spelled the second one, mana burned him right before a Power Shot since stifle lagged thee archer enough for the mage to see it coming, then Inferno the poor guy during Stifle lag when the Archer Stones and tried to Power shot again, then kitted the poor dude to death with Magic Blast. This mage was Dex/Spr build with high End/Dex equips. He hit often, got crits ALOT, tanked the poison and damage to an acceptable extent, and knew his class very well. Mages are totally worth it, they're just complicated :)

[lilnub]

First lol.. i'm not saying mages should have godly def and hp, i've played like 5+ mmorpg where mages are suppose to have low def and hp. All i'm saying is just that even you are godly, you hp and def espeacially will still be relatively low.

lol i have good end gears, def is still my problem, hp is not so but the hp stone heals way too little.
My 36 mage has 1685 hp and my stone heals 443, i don't see how my stones are helping me except letting to to survive for 1 ~ 2 more skills/hits from an enemy.

Lol to me it seems like the negatives outweigh the positives, i mean i am full +9 after all, you can't suck that badly with full +9 gears and my gears doesn't suck, they have good stats. My mdmg also doesn't suck, i can kill people but it's harder, a lot harder when they get +9 accessories and like i said, it gets worst when you go down lvls because 4 +9 accessories mean like 150+ mdef? That's a lot at my lvl.

Maybe i just overestimated a full +9 mage...

Oh and i also missed out a crucial point lol, the amount of hp stones... surely letting all classes having the same amount of hp stone won't make it unbalance. I even ran out of hp stone once in a pvp kq (i did restone before the kq)

[Kurayamiblack]

I had a decent reply, but I'm using one of those laptops where the "Page back" button is right next to my arrow keys and I tried to use my arrow keys to reach a typo and accidentally pressed page back and lost my entire post -_-

Basically, the main point was this:

My issue with your post is mostly the topic title. There are plenty of successful mages out there and you're sitting here trying to convince newbies that it's a bad idea to pick a class they might actually like. IMO, that's worse than having newbies figure things out for themselves because you don't know what their preferences or tolorances are. As far as I'm concerened you might as well be saying "If you pick a mage, you're wrong for doing so". No class is that bad (archers are getting closer and closet with every passing 10 set of levels, but at the moment, no class is THAT bad).

[elluura]

If you think they fail you probably made a fail one yourself ? I had a 85 mage tank dt mobs and bosses.
I'd trade my 90 cleric for a 90 mage everyday + at 9x-105 you NEED them to aoe.

[lilnub]

i guess both of you are suggesting my mage fails, well i did use the tactics (gears, skills) given by people from this area of the thread and some of those are from the sticky thread too. Does this mean that those tactics doesn't work? Like i said lol you cannot suck that bad with full +9, i may not be the best lvl 36 mage ever but my mage definately doesn't fail. All i'm saying is even a full +9 person like me can't do well in pve and pvp, newbies who just joined this game probably can't do better. I'm not denying the fact that mages own when they get to like 80+ but do you think that people join the game and choose a class which they often die a lot and get pked a lot until they get to like lvl 81+ will actually do them any good? And yes there are plenty of successful mages out there but do you dare to say that there's more strong mages than weak mages? I've read from another thread that being a mage, you either suck or own, i totally agree with that

I'm not saying mages are failures overall but just the fact that this is the limit you can get to when you are a newbie.

[da_greatist19]

i guess both of you are suggesting my mage fails, well i did use the tactics (gears, skills) given by people from this area of the thread and some of those are from the sticky thread too. Does this mean that those tactics doesn't work? Like i said lol you cannot suck that bad with full +9, i may not be the best lvl 36 mage ever but my mage definately doesn't fail. All i'm saying is even a full +9 person like me can't do well in pve and pvp, newbies who just joined this game probably can't do better. I'm not denying the fact that mages own when they get to like 80+ but do you think that people join the game and choose a class which they often die a lot and get pked a lot until they get to like lvl 81+ will actually do them any good? And yes there are plenty of successful mages out there but do you dare to say that there's more strong mages than weak mages? I've read from another thread that being a mage, you either suck or own, i totally agree with that

I'm not saying mages are failures overall but just the fact that this is the limit you can get to when you are a newbie.

to be honest we both know...mages under lvl 60 cant really compare to figters...thats like a fact..u remember Aria right? she'd chew through fighters def like nothing with mighty set vit/crits/skin and dmg suit...like theirs obviously no way a mage can beat a fighter at the top of their game b4 6x...but still after 6x their pretty awesome.

[WolfAngel9414]

Most of this is true for the levels you're in, but if anyone wanted to be a mage they would need to stick it out, and as kura said earlier on this is probably more disheartening for new players interested in mages than it is a reference to the bad points of our class.
A lot of fighter PKers do not progress into the 6x's because they hate dealing with mages that can actually defend themselves :P

Anyways, my mage is currently lv 95, and at lv 92-93 she was tanking DT. Not as good as the fighters [who wouldn't mock] but she lived and did better than the clerics/archers in there. :/ I tanked in both partial +9s and full +0, I just needed one attentive, heal-spamming cleric.
So we aren't the greatest, defense wise even in full +9's, but we aren't horrible either. I wouldn't worry about enhanced gear until 7x-9x, because you hardly need it. I never wore a +9 piece until 7x and did fine o.<
Besides, if a good fighter with a +10 lands deva, you're dead anyway unless you spam pots [:

Our hp/hp stone capacity has always been a problem. I can easily hit 8k hp now, but that's with an extender...my husband's hp stones heal around 4k or so with extender, mine heal a whopping 2-2.5k. In PvP, this also was not a problem if I could kill things before they got to me, but that's not always the case.

As for soloing bosses...what are pots for XD?
No we can't do it in full +0's, and fighters/archers will always be better than us at that, but if you try hard enough yes, you can.

I was not very pleased with the addition of +9 jewelry myself. It's more of a problem at lower levels than higher levels, but any decent fighter with 10k hp, shield, full +9 jewelry and some spr gear will survive a mage that doesn't charm or crit 10 times in a row. I guess the only way to contest it is to SC yourself up and improve your pvp tactics o_<?
On the bright side, any fighter without spr gears/high hp/more than one +9 is generally a piece of cake.

-runs out of thoughts-

[mirazo]

i guess both of you are suggesting my mage fails, well i did use the tactics (gears, skills) given by people from this area of the thread and some of those are from the sticky thread too. Does this mean that those tactics doesn't work? Like i said lol you cannot suck that bad with full +9, i may not be the best lvl 36 mage ever but my mage definately doesn't fail. All i'm saying is even a full +9 person like me can't do well in pve and pvp, newbies who just joined this game probably can't do better. I'm not denying the fact that mages own when they get to like 80+ but do you think that people join the game and choose a class which they often die a lot and get pked a lot until they get to like lvl 81+ will actually do them any good? And yes there are plenty of successful mages out there but do you dare to say that there's more strong mages than weak mages? I've read from another thread that being a mage, you either suck or own, i totally agree with that

I'm not saying mages are failures overall but just the fact that this is the limit you can get to when you are a newbie.

Well its a good way to start in the sence that if you stick it out you would hae more experience handling a mage since when you started it you didnt know how squish they were at those low lvls

[luvey]

At the moment mages are having a hard time pvp wise because of +9 jewelry, pve-wise because of low stone amount.

Other than that... mage is still the second best pvp class, and they have no big problems with pve.

I'd like to add a few on why you should pick mage:
1. They have flashy skills.
2. They can spam skills nonstop from early levels. Soloing they can do level 1~20 faster than any other class.
3. They have very good pvp and pve skills at lvl 60+ which makes them wanted in parties.
4. It's fairly easy to find enhanced and godly gears for mage since they are the second most played class. These are still not as expensive as fighter gears.

Skilled mages are epic at pvp and wanted for pve.

[Plushii]

MagexCleric duo is the way to go. That's all =3

[DANk1]

dont u EVER underestimate my main class lol
man when you're smart and know what you're doing theyre great but ofc fighters are easy for pvp(they're so easy to own with, a caveman can do it)

check me out in bijou and you'll at 8x no fighter in my lvl range could beat me ;)

[Infestation]

Got bored halfway down the page so if anyone mentioned this oh well. I'll assume you are mostly dealing with fighters in the 2x abyss since you clearly are sticking to the lowbie levels, you should level and join the big boys. Anyway my point is I'll assume you are dealing with full +9 fighters that are chewing you to pieces? Well they should. Two of the best and most useful fighter blue sets are level 35. With a Mighty vit they add another 20% to the damage boost, and the def decrease with Vitality.... well that doesn't mean a thing since you are hitting them with m.dmg. Secondly any smart fighter tosses on a Slash set off the bat and hits you for a 20% greater def loss. 20% damage boost + 33% def loss = napping on the floor. I know when I get whacked with this bad boy my cleric's def drops by roughly a third. So don't expect to be powerful at that level. Mages can still own at that level don't get me wrong, but a knowledgable fighter will drop you no problem.

[lilnub]

Yes i agree with all of you, i didn't say mages suck at lvl 60+ lol but like most of you said, they do suck at low levels and this sometimes it probably does put people off. Everyone starts at lvl 1 (unless you buy acc... which is illegal) i mean if your class suck for the for first half of the game and only start to really pwn at 2/3 of the game you wouldn't really be interested.

@ wolfangel
yes pots can be used with bosses but it's a waste since my luck sucks whereas if i farm with another class e.g. a cleric, i only loses about 3 sp stone max... never tried with a fighter even tho i had a 8x fighter main.

@ Plushii
Yes pve wise but pvp, people won't be happy if you team them with cleric rofl

@ infestation
No i'm not dealing with full +9 fighters but i find it quite a challenge to kill a fighter with just full blue set. Yeah i am pretty much sticking to lowbie lvl since i got bored with my main a long time ago and also did so with fiesta.

[omgcookiesrawr]

[QUOTE=lilnub;3087383]Yes i agree with all of you, i didn't say mages suck at lvl 60+ lol but like most of you said, they do suck at low levels and this sometimes it probably does put people off. Everyone starts at lvl 1 (unless you buy acc... which is illegal) i mean if your class suck for the for first half of the game and only start to really pwn at 2/3 of the game you wouldn't really be interested.

^Agrees : Im totally bored atm not being able to lvl to 60+

[don112]

true but witout a mage there is no aoe pt so sure discourage ppl not to play mages :P fighters can still solo so it dont matter XD

[lilnub]

haha don't worry... no matter how hard i try to discourage people there will always be someone who wants to be a mage.

[hogashoshiro]

Yes i agree with all of you, i didn't say mages suck at lvl 60+ lol but like most of you said, they do suck at low levels and this sometimes it probably does put people off. Everyone starts at lvl 1 (unless you buy acc... which is illegal) i mean if your class suck for the for first half of the game and only start to really pwn at 2/3 of the game you wouldn't really be interested.

Not necessarily, a lot of people I think would find that having to work through the sucky lower lvls in order to get to the higher lvls would make the game more interesting and more of a challenge. Like the reward of having being a pretty sucky class pays off after 6x when you become one of the most epic classes in all of Fiesta.

[crazyplay]

At the moment mages are having a hard time pvp wise because of +9 jewelry, pve-wise because of low stone amount.

Other than that... mage is still the second best pvp class, and they have no big problems with pve.

I'd like to add a few on why you should pick mage:
1. They have flashy skills.
2. They can spam skills nonstop from early levels. Soloing they can do level 1~20 faster than any other class.
3. They have very good pvp and pve skills at lvl 60+ which makes them wanted in parties.
4. It's fairly easy to find enhanced and godly gears for mage since they are the second most played class. These are still not as expensive as fighter gears.

Skilled mages are epic at pvp and wanted for pve.

You notice how a fighter will go and kill a mage while still wearing a +9 or +10 and then they call the mage weak or fail right after? They should try callling the mage that BUT while attempting it with a +0
>w0

[Panzehao]

No whats funny is people wearing full cash +9 armor with +9/+10 weapon charmed up and kill some one with like +0 weapon and armor and then call them fail.(which is about i say 1/3 of the people that joins pvp kq)
And yes mages suck at low lvl, but think about this if you really like a game your going to be lvling up, so i think suffering through the lower lvl while its really easy to lvl is totally worth it to get to the higher lvl where you get 2 awsome aoe that everyone wantsXD, lots of pvp skills like fear, stifle, steal spell, and a 1.2 cd magic blast that you can use while running that does more dmg than fire bolt later onXD
And yes fighters own in lower lvl pvp coz mages can't fear yet and your magic blast isn't useble while running till 65 but once you get there its worth it =) but if your up agaist charmers and heavy cash user then your dead unless you charm up and use cash suits tooXD(way too many people think they are so pro coz they have like 20%+ crit from cash suits that let them kill and charmed up>.> i mean you win you win but some people just don't shut upXD)
And when lvl cap was only 59 you almost see no mages, some fighter some archers and like alll clericsXD and now its like all mages and fighterXD not enough clericsXD

[calibur1015]

personnally iv lvled up mages more faster then any class iv played in my years. i dont use SC so difficulty is what i get, but still a point of the game~. iv learned to adjust to the points uv made, wasnt hard >.> and future with +9. not many people +9 jewerly or their own gear, in total of +9ing the entire equiping's its alot of money in general, mages def may be low but we make it up with lvl 81 and spaming our magic blast like crazy~ and to me , mages are fun, i like playing them cause the class suits my play style.

in style wise,
fighters, i dont solo alot, slow CD
cleric, enough said, 2 melees until 100 is a no deal
archers, my fingers get tired and also bored of the scenery after kiting for hours
mages, nova and inferno and futher aoes at 100 make killing mobs easy

but in general, no one should stop playing mages,

just find ur playing style~
took me a few months when i first started, got all 4 classes up to 20 ( when fiesta got outa beta after a few months) and in the end i liked mages, not 2 mention nova's flashy skill and power made me want to play mages more~.