STR Fighters are NOT tanks!

[Akujiki]

I know I'm not just speaking for myself when I say we aren't tanks, but omg the expectations of a STR fighter to be as good a tank as a pure END fighter is just ridiculous. As of my posting this my fighter, Akujiki, is lvl 29. So I have only seen as far as the GH boss and King Marlone, forgive me if tanking at a higher lvl is easier. Every time I join a KQ I have to hope and pray that there is a REAL tank in the lucky 15 people who got in because other wise I will spend a fortune on pots/stones when everyone decides, "zomg hes gots lots of hp:eek::eek:...Aku is the tank!!!" half the time the reason a str fighter would have more health than an END fighter is because of a scroll!!! The little extra hp is not meant to be the deciding factor between us trying our damnedest to tank the bosses or serving our chosen purpose of standing behind the boss and opening up a can of whoop @ss. The worst part of my entire rant is that people will still complain if/when you do a bad job tanking the boss that smacks you around like you are his property...So people do everyone a favor: If you make an STR fighter your tank, be nice to it when it fails.:mad:




This is not meant to be offensive, but I am tired of the way STR fighters are "used" in parties!

[Telhar]

up to lvl 30 str fighter can be very effective tank, including GH boss. I don't have experience for higher mobs but i would imagine by Robo KQ the lack of defense and HP will start to hurt you. Get some END rings, i have a +7 and +9 myself, and be sure to have a shield with you. In tanking gear i almost always have better defense than other fighters in KQs despite only having 2 END points

[Yoruko]

How annoying do you think it is for those of us who play mages or archers to join a KQ and have to hold back a LOT(half the time auto-attack is enough for my archer to pull it off fighters not doing everything they can to tank) cause the fighter wants to pretend to be a dps class. It's pretty much as bad as all the clerics that complain about healing. Fine if you want to pretend to be a dps but you're not going to get a lot of sympathy when you complain about being asked to play your class' role. Fighter is the only class that gets taunt.

[Akujiki]

I am not complaining about having to tank, I just get mad when people flame the STR Fighters for not being as good a tank as a END fighter.

[happypeach]

U dont no with my str fighter at lvl 25 i could tank the GH boss with a shield and sword and a vit scroll. My rings were even +7 str only.
I dont no about u but it was easy for me...
Mabe cuz i have been playing since CB1. iono.... str Fighter can be a good tank. Sometime better then full end. U got damage and u can tank. End fighter only got high hp.
I'm trying full dex tanker now working alright lvl 38 right now soloing is easy they miss me alot i mean Alot!!

[melchior]

If a fighter is not a tank what good is he??:confused:

[blackkenshin]

hey dex fighter work 2!
can't believe it... u mean pure dex?
wow ! wat about def and hp don't they important to tank!
remember got block skill increase as your END go up !
and the shield skill lv27 increase hell of block percentage
block do work rite?
i'm tanker when lv22 for gold hill though it hit me 400+
im pure end fighter wif 900++ hp +VIT scroll 1100 hp
equip crossbone ring +6 END +5 STR and silver ring +7 END
+5 1hand sword lv20
+4 HIDE ARMOR
lv20 shield
the rest all normal
+50 Hp Sign of mara Necklace
DEF +Cleric buff +DEF Scroll =255 DEF
I got solar esclipse HEADGEAR lv26 helm +9END soon to wear
=)
Do Zombie king drop 1handed sword?
or armor

[goldenwitch]

ZK drops weapons and rings, not armor.

STR fighters i think can tank GH fine with shield and 1h sword, but after that like in Robo, dont even try lol coz ull just waste clerics time ressing u when they can be healing 'real' tanks (unless ur the only tank then the kq will prob fail lol). Even though the difference in DEF isnt that great, the extra hp really helps when ur getting mobbed by 5+ mobs, lets u survive another 2 or 3 hits for clerics to get to u or for u to hit stone/pot. As for tanking kq bosses, lol STR fighters simply cannot do, because they do huge dmg at one time and the whole point is having enough hp to survive that one hit so clerics can heal u back to full. (eg Robo hits 1k+ usually, less if ur lvl40+; from what i hear u need 3k hp to tank minidragon)

That coming from full END fighter ^^

[-Drago-]

The first time I was playing my brothers lvl22 full STR tank with axe was at the Mara KQ. And especially fighting the bosses was a lot of fun. Always a bit taunting and other debuffs that our other teammates could do more damage. And although only 1 cleric could barely concentrate at healing me (the ones behind marlone or mara kept dying XD ), I didn't die, not even close. Still I used ~10 hp stones but they are meant to be used so what's the point?

I think fighter is a fighter. If you play them well (and don't fear to use some of those cheap stones) they can almost tank alike. Still I must admit that END fighters do less work in the Robo KQ. :D

[Zaeraki]

Rofl, definitely agreed. A STR Pure is mostly known for DPS. Mob Leak Repair, debuffs, the works. But never ever tanking, the only tanks are Axe builds ((END/SPR 3:1)) and Pure END.

[bionical2k]

U dont no with my str fighter at lvl 25 i could tank the GH boss with a shield and sword and a vit scroll. My rings were even +7 str only.
I dont no about u but it was easy for me...
Mabe cuz i have been playing since CB1. iono.... str Fighter can be a good tank. Sometime better then full end. U got damage and u can tank. End fighter only got high hp.
I'm trying full dex tanker now working alright lvl 38 right now soloing is easy they miss me alot i mean Alot!!



i have been in since CB1 and in CB2 i made MorDread (a cleric) and often used to party with a pure DEX fighter and i have to say that the amount of times i wud have to cure him was so rare i cuddn't believe it and for mobs missing him? meant i didn't have to heal him so much. STR fighters can tank but may have to be a higher lvl in KQ than normal and have vit scrolls and maybe a def scroll to hlp but yes they can tank.

i created a str fighter and found myself in one KQ where i had no choice to tank as i was only fighter. if there was a pure end tank then i wud be happy to attack the boss from the rear but harder hits can aggro a mob on occasion so it is something to be aware of and the pure end tank may not always be able to pull them off u.

as for the KQ the group thought we wud not complete it but we did and i did not die once due to the other 14 ppl doing their best to hlp. and may i add they did a wonderful job and killing the boss was quick enough. very quick it has to be said.

so yes a pure str fighter can tank but i wud make sure u use 1 handed sword and shield for added protection from the shield rather than 2 handed sword or axe. it depends on what wep u use to tank.
pure end in KQ can get away with 2 handed sword or axe cause they have higher def and need the extra dmg but pure str lacks def and that is where the shield comes in as u already have higher dmg to begin with then y use 2 handed sword or axe? but i am talking in KQs not normal play

[Kholai]

My guild member is a 25 Spirit, rest Strength 2h fighter. He successfully tanked the mini dragon boss, the most powerful KQ boss currently in the game, despite being only level 52.
How did he manage?
He used a sword and shield.
Later in the game, the stats from equipment, unique items, and the simple base stats you achieve from levelling up will far outstrip the points you get from Endurance. A full endurance fighter will be able to tank a boss earlier, they'll have an easier time, and die less, but any fighter should be well able to at least pretend they're an acceptable tank, just like they're pretending they can be damage dealers.

In short, you're a fighter, you might be a tank, bring a backup shield accordingly. You might be a bad tank, you might think you can tank wielding an axe (sure you can, for five seconds), you're still the closest thing to a tank there is, so you'd better make sure you're as good at it as you can be.

[Lebatt]

Me i'm a full end fighter.

Lvl 46 currently and been soloing orcs since lvl 43. Going very well lol.

I agree that just because ur a fighter you shouldnt be expected to tank. You can say Hey i'm a DD (Damage Dealer) but i can try it to keep the pty alive. But they shouldnt be mad cuz they died. If they are like that all the time it means they are young and expect the game to go PERFECT and that they should never have to die because its just Unfair.


With Every Class you will run into stereotypes.

For example.. it's all how the player plays the character too. What pots he's spamming, What teir of mag def, def, power, etc he's using.

I had a cleric who was afk too much and could barely heal me. Not a good cleric. In the same party a mage that doesnt have any damage too him.

We expect mages to be high dps but yet alot dont know how to be lol.

Anyways not much to say here. but i love full end fighter. Strap on any weapon and good damge.

[Yoruko]

I had a cleric who was afk too much and could barely heal me. Not a good cleric. In the same party a mage that doesnt have any damage too him.

We expect mages to be high dps but yet alot dont know how to be lol.


The thing is it's one thing to not know how to play, ignorance isn't really an issue for me, it's the people who refuse to play their role. If a mage said I'm going to melee with my staff and not cast any spells, I think everyone would say "why are you a mage then?"

It's similar with fighters, a full str fighter isn't going to match a real dps class so if they're expecting to not tank why are they fighters. I understand pure end can tank a little better than pure str, but even if you're pure str, carry a sword/shield and tank when needed.

[melchior]

I don't really understand the reason people try to make a class what it isnt... This isn't a hard mmo there are only 4 classes... Its as cookie cutter if i have ever seen it. One tank, One Healer, Two Damage Jobs. Am i missing something here :confused:
Below is pretty much broken down the way i see it...

If fighters are not meant to tank, then why aoe taunt and single mob taunts? Also why do they have the most hp and defense???:confused:

If Clerics say they dont want to heal people then why choose the only job that can?:confused:(Cleric can take over tanking job on magical damage enemies since they have way better M.Def)

Mages don't do damage properly? They obviously don't understand damage over time then.:rolleyes:

Archers, refer to mages above.

[Luna_Moore]

*giggling* XD I can merely roll my eyes when people are stupid enough to pick a tank just based off their HP.

I have yet to run across people picking a STR fighter for a tank. I seem to get stuck with the STR fighters who think they are tanks yet refuse (or don't have) a shield. :eek:

[Akujiki]

(I wasn't expecting this kind of response lol) I agree with everyone that if you don't know how to play the class you chose or refuse to play it properly you should consider a class change. Recently I have been hanging out in CP, and so far this is the one place where the people think the same as me "Ok...we need a new tank" shortly after that "/s group looking for a tank we have healers!" The idea of carrying a shield slipped my mind before I made this thread. I hope i can get my hands on a good ZK 1H Sword and a Crusader (already have the axe).

Keep the in-depth resposes coming, more people need to see this. Maybe some people will think before they choose their builds.:rolleyes::cool:

[Yoruko]

(I wasn't expecting this kind of response lol) I agree with everyone that if you don't know how to play the class you chose or refuse to play it properly you should consider a class change. Recently I have been hanging out in CP, and so far this is the one place where the people think the same as me "Ok...we need a new tank" shortly after that "/s group looking for a tank we have healers!" The idea of carrying a shield slipped my mind before I made this thread. I hope i can get my hands on a good ZK 1H Sword and a Crusader (already have the axe).

Keep the in-depth resposes coming, more people need to see this. Maybe some people will think before they choose their builds.:rolleyes::cool:

Speaking of a shield, I was switching between sword and shield and axe while solo just to see which one was better. I was fighting bats in LS 2 at 25 and when using axe they hit me for about 82-87ish, when I switched to a shield the damage I took dropped to like 49-52, it really made that much difference. That's probably why you think you can't tank bosses well, a shield is really that important.

[Onikasu]

Well, I switched to havig my Arher as my main for now, because warriors are high upkeep with pots/stones. If I had to remake my warrior though, itd be 25 END rest is STR going, 2H for solo and 1H+shield for KQ

[Tasuke]

It doesn't matter if you're a STR or END Fighter, if you're a Fighter, you'll be the one tanking.

Even if a Fighter went all INT, he would still have the most HP out of the other classes.

Fighters don't have to tank if they don't want to party. If you often find yourself in a lot of parties, you will probably want to tank. Tankers are especially handy in KQs.

If you prefer to solo, and don't join too many KQ, STR is the way for you.

Now, you can't say "Hey, if Fighters don't tank, that's like saying Mages hit with their staves".

That's bull****, because Fighters are able to do a fair amount of damage and also take a fair amount of damage compared to Mages not even standing a chance in hand to hand combat.

Fighters have superb melee combat whether or not they're pure END or STR, unlike any of the other classes.

[hellfire9998]

This oddly reminds me of WoW... Str fighters= Ret paladins? :confused::eek:

[AriesMehjor]

How annoying do you think it is for those of us who play mages or archers to join a KQ and have to hold back a LOT(half the time auto-attack is enough for my archer to pull it off fighters not doing everything they can to tank) cause the fighter wants to pretend to be a dps class. It's pretty much as bad as all the clerics that complain about healing. Fine if you want to pretend to be a dps but you're not going to get a lot of sympathy when you complain about being asked to play your class' role. Fighter is the only class that gets taunt.

Buzz wrong, STR fighters are actually the least likely to lose aggro when fighting a mob, because duh, they have STR. And if you dont hold back as an archer in higher KQ's you will be killed, alot, and you will p#$! everybody off whos in that KQ because, OMG mini dragon just whiped out all of our clerics but two because it turned around to attack you and AOE the rest of the group, therefore killing any DPS without enough DEF, and also destroying the warriors who are on mob control and dont have a shield on.

The STR build should never be pure STR, because they are ment to solo well, so you will need a bit of END and SPR. SPR being your next reliance aside from STR adding crits and the ability to spam your skills is a nice reward.
STR builds are ment to devastate in large quantities, and devastate hard, criting almost every enemy within a single stun. They also come in handy when the main tank cant deal enough damage to hold aggro from an archer/mage. It happens alot believe it or not. The warrior with the shield, and what could only be described as the weakest weapon besides a mages staff *cough* one hand *cough*. Mocks a whole group of enemies and is confused when the warrior holding an axe takes aggro away from the main tank.

This is okay. This is what is supposed to happen when in an AOE party or even one on one. By the time the STR build takes aggro away from the tank the mob is allready half dead, it also helps to have this build keep the rest of the mages and archers from dieing when the main tank has used up all his mock.

The game will switch up drasticly when END builds get whirlwind and wonder why its not working right. A STR build will end up doing the most damage and being the most effective when it comes to AOE moves for the warrior.
Why:
Because most STR builds/hybrid/SPR rely on one of two things, Dexterity, or an aim scroll, of which, both are devastating to the enemy if placed well with a finely tuned axe or two hand sword.
And as far as the differences of def, go, every 10 lvls, correct me if im wrong give you a new chest piece that adds a majority of the def you will have for the middle section of your next 10 lvls. So at 30, 40, and 50 the STR build shines in DEF as well as STR.
Why are STR builds needed?:
Because ultimately, I dont wanna sit in a KQ and wait forever for a few mobs to die, tanks cant kill at a fast enough pace for me.
And besides that, clerics make better tanks after 50 anyway. They end up relying more on thier endurance, and thier heals draw a good majority of the aggro away from the party anyway. Doesnt mean they should go around tanking a mini dragon or somthing, because I'd probably pass out if I ever saw that. Just means that, after 50, and all that tanking you've been talking about, you're gonna lvl the slowest because it takes you 5 minutes or more to kill one monster, and you have to constantly call upon the help of a party or cleric to help you lvl.
Archers dont have that problem, Mages dont have that problem, Cerics dont have that problem, and STR builds dont have that problem.
And besides that, tanks and clerics are usually the ones shouting out,
Any DPS for party? Anyone?
The point of the STR or Damage build is not to be reliant on others for skills and help in tasks, the more you have to rely on another class to complete your goals, the weaker you become overall.
I also forgot to mention what happens when a STR build equips a shield. The aggro is never lost....period.

[Yoruko]

Buzz wrong, STR fighters are actually the least likely to lose aggro when fighting a mob, because duh, they have STR. And if you dont hold back as an archer in higher KQ's you will be killed, alot, and you will p#$! everybody off whos in that KQ because, OMG mini dragon just whiped out all of our clerics but two because it turned around to attack you and AOE the rest of the group, therefore killing any DPS without enough DEF, and also destroying the warriors who are on mob control and dont have a shield on.


I should have been more clear I guess but when he was talking about str figther and not tanking usually str fighters with 2 hand weapons and stuff don't taunt. The point was to show how if they were doing as much damage as they think they are they'd be able to hold agro off a archer(something many consider to be weaker than a mage). If a fighter isn't taunting, even when I wait a good while before attacking it takes all of 10 seconds to pull it off a fighter.

One of the examples that just sticks out in my head was in gold hill, I was 23 and the "i can tank through damage" fighter was 30 and using an axe. On both bosses I held off attacking until a good bit of dmaage had been done, it still took all of 15 seconds to take it off him, and I even used nature's protection.

Now a fighter that understands he's a tank, regardless of stat build, and taunts and all that stuff I can work with. My only point is most of the str fighters I run across in game think they're some kind of dps on the level of archers or mages and they no offense to fighters but you don't even come close.

Also just a side note, I don't know how agro calculations work but in some systems str fighters wouldn't hold the most agro. Again though I don't know the system being used here so I can't make that claim one way or the other.

[Tyris]

Kholai is exactly right. The shield is more important than the bonus endurance, so even a str based fighter should carry one at all times in case they need to be the tank.

Shield block rate is not a big deal but shield defence typically adds up to your pants and boots combined.

Most of the rest of you seem to be severely overestimating the benefit of the free stats. A str fighter doesn't do a great deal more damage than an end fighter. Really.

[BlueiceBoy]

how about Hybrid?

am END + SPR and a bit of STR n DEX

:)

so far, so good! can tank.... can kill..

level 46... but not playing anymore

[saet13]

I am new ti this game but i think that the fighters are not made just to be tankers, if they did then there would not be something like 2 handed swords and ....
fighters would just use shield and 1 handed sword and that would be it.

[blackcanoflysol]

Yeah, STR fighters are NOT tanks, but even so, sometimes it's necessary for us to tank.

But other players need to realize that just because we're a fighter doesn't mean we'll suceed at tanking... A warrior should do his best to keep mobs off of his PT, but he shouldn't die needlessly. A level 30 str fighter should NOT use mock in the graveyard of the dead, it's suicide.

Even in Robo KQs, everyone urges fighters to use mock. A str fighter would be no good using mock, they're meant for DD. A str fighter taking all that agro, especially at one of the lowest Robo KQ levels, will surely die quickly. Because of this 'flaw' they're not going to get any rez priority. Basically, a STR fighter using mock is just about as good of an idea as an archer running in the middle of a mob. The archer doesn't have the def or hp to do it, and neither does the STR fighter.

I'm not against STR fighters acting as the tank in situations that don't provide tanks...but I'm against the treatment of STR fighters who are expected to perform like tanks.

However we have to take into consideration that warriors can put this unfair judgement on other classes. There are tank clerics, str clerics, spr clerics, we can't expect them to be able to perform the same, either. It's a complicated game; the only way to overcome these things are by genuinely working together in your party.

[saet13]

anyway there is no good tank with out a good healer :)

[Tyris]

Str fighters just have a bizarre tendency to not bring hp stones, etc. Come prepared for anything. You CAN mock if you use hp stones and demoralizing hit, have scrolls up as well. It's ridiculous to see 3 mobs attacking a mage or archer and you not mocking. Get over yourselves :P

[vafan]

They can easly tank yellow/red NORMAL mobs, just not bosses or in some cases elites.

[Yoruko]

Even in Robo KQs, everyone urges fighters to use mock. A str fighter would be no good using mock, they're meant for DD.



The problem is and this isn't a knock on fighters, they fail at dps. I mean a fighter 7 levels higher than my archer coudln't hold agro trough damage alone even when I didn't engage the mob right away. That alone should tell you how bad it is. It's not like you can just make a str fighting into a dps, they don't have a prayer against real dps classes which is why people get so annoyed. They're nice in exp parties cause they can tank and add some damage to kill things faster etc. However, that all hinges mostly on them being tanks too.

End mostly just adds hp, the def added is abyssmal, and the block rate is nice but not something you can count on, so ability wise there's not a huge difference between the two builds, main difference is max hp. My only point is fighters who think they can dps and not tank are like clerics who think they can get away with refusing to heal.

My only point is if you play fighter you're expected to tank, it's what they do. If the fighter isn't going to tank, who is? The archer? Mage? If a str fighter is so bad at tanking, how much worse is the mage, or archer(cleric won't tank cause they can't hold agro for anything, no taunt, and no damage, yeah). I think most people get mad cause there seem to be a dispropotionate number of str fighters who refuse to tank. They get into things like kqs and it's annoying when all the fighters are rufusing to tank, who do they think is going to tank.

[AriesMehjor]

ok because most havent gotten this yet, it takes more than a 2 handed weapon and some STR stat points to be a proper Dark Knight/DD/DPS/STR warrior.
You first need your weapon-this ones easy, anything over plus5 will work in any scenario, but this is just the basics.
2. you need a bit of endurance, why....because if you're playing your cards right you will be pulling aggro off of any other class other than a mage or archer higher lvl than you.
3. you wont need your second kick skill if you use the first one ASAP.
4. your STR stats should not be first priority as an excuse not to equip yourself properly.
5. your rings will sway any curve you have in your stats etc. rely on them, they can change you from a DPS to a tank at the push of a button.
6. SPR is your weapon of choice after 40, dont care what anybody says..if you can spam it, you better have enough juice to do so.
7. prepare for complaints from other classes when they do suicidal things like pull 15 enemies at one time and try to AOE an army of mobs and wonder why you died several seconds afterwards.
8. in the case of parties dont get ****y like the rest of them and think that fighting a lvl 60 mob at lvl 30 is the right thing to do even if you can tank it. If you cant solo it, it will probably hurt you....and the rest of your party really really bad if let loose.
9. be proud of yourself, because you can lvl faster than the ordinary meat puppet anyday. where as you kill mobs in 30 seconds, the punching bag kills mobs in 2 mins. Honestly full end tankers soloing look like a ferret trying to fight its way out of a paper bag.
10. STR fighters are failproof DPS, why....they dont die in one blow like say archer or mage, so they make excellent weapons in AOE and standard grind sessions because of powerfull hits. It may not be 4 hits at 50dmg each, but its probably somthing like one hit at 200dmg each. either way...those chunks even though they are big still add up. The mage will have the most DPS against a non magic monster, but when it comes to killing magic users, sorry to say this to the archer and mage, but, the STR warrior will easily pwn any magic enemy in seconds, 3 hits at least 5 hits tops.

The main traits for this Dark Knight/DD/STR build warrior are STR being number 1, END being number 2 and SPR being number 3 in priority. So there you have it. Try it out and tell me which one pwns the kill machine section,
A. END tank with shield 5 mobs orange lvl- total time to kill mobs=5 mins+
B. STR build DD with 2 hand 5 mobs orange lvl- total time to kill 5 mobs=3 mins or less.

[blackcanoflysol]

The problem is and this isn't a knock on fighters, they fail at dps. I mean a fighter 7 levels higher than my archer coudln't hold agro trough damage alone even when I didn't engage the mob right away. That alone should tell you how bad it is. It's not like you can just make a str fighting into a dps, they don't have a prayer against real dps classes which is why people get so annoyed. They're nice in exp parties cause they can tank and add some damage to kill things faster etc. However, that all hinges mostly on them being tanks too.

End mostly just adds hp, the def added is abyssmal, and the block rate is nice but not something you can count on, so ability wise there's not a huge difference between the two builds, main difference is max hp. My only point is fighters who think they can dps and not tank are like clerics who think they can get away with refusing to heal.

My only point is if you play fighter you're expected to tank, it's what they do. If the fighter isn't going to tank, who is? The archer? Mage? If a str fighter is so bad at tanking, how much worse is the mage, or archer(cleric won't tank cause they can't hold agro for anything, no taunt, and no damage, yeah). I think most people get mad cause there seem to be a dispropotionate number of str fighters who refuse to tank. They get into things like kqs and it's annoying when all the fighters are rufusing to tank, who do they think is going to tank.

This is totally understandable. In a full party for grinding or quests, this is usually easily resolved. It is definitely the fighters responsibility, no matter what build they're on. But in KQ's it gets a little more chaotic, espeically with no volunteers. Some of them can definitely take the agro, they just choose to hide behind their stats so they don't have to risk themselves and waste their stones. It's hard to get a good group for KQs as it's all about who signs up and when, and when you get there it's utter chaos. I'm not saying fighters have no obligation to use mock and that if they are on a str build, or whatever will count as a true DD build for you, they cannot under any circumstances use it, but it's purely situtational. In a KQ you don't want the level 33 STR fighter to use mock when your 40 Tank is already taking agro. When the tanks are all dead and those mobs are running towards the cleric, now that 33 STR fighter needs to take the agro from everyone else, and the clerics need to help him. It just takes a lot of cooperation, which is hard to get in a run of 20 people. Many don't know each other and some just don't get along. It doesn't all boil down to 'fighters don't tank' and 'healers don't heal'. They all have their reasons for not doing whatever their doing, and that just might be because of limits. Cooldowns, survival, all of that is part of the equation.

[-Leona-]

I'm totally sick of people saying Axe Build Fighters can't tank x(. ANY fighter can tank as long as he has good clerics and a shield with him. Yesterday i was with my friends grinding in AEW and we tanked a few times up to 15 clover trumpies at once xD. My build is 25 Spr and full Str and i was the main tank :D and although i died a few times in 3 hours but heck we got like 200k+ xp per hour.

ONE of the best parties i've seen and been in

StarLeona - Level 58 Fighter
GateGuardian - Level 58 Fighter
Luserina - Level 56 Cleric
Kitta_Baby - Level 52 Cleric
Egolus - Level 52 Archer


:D THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT WITHOUT A MAGE WE ONLY KILLED LIKE 10 TRUMPIES PER MINUTE :D so sloooooooooooooow :p

[Yoruko]

This is totally understandable. In a full party for grinding or quests, this is usually easily resolved. It is definitely the fighters responsibility, no matter what build they're on. But in KQ's it gets a little more chaotic, espeically with no volunteers. Some of them can definitely take the agro, they just choose to hide behind their stats so they don't have to risk themselves and waste their stones. It's hard to get a good group for KQs as it's all about who signs up and when, and when you get there it's utter chaos. I'm not saying fighters have no obligation to use mock and that if they are on a str build, or whatever will count as a true DD build for you, they cannot under any circumstances use it, but it's purely situtational. In a KQ you don't want the level 33 STR fighter to use mock when your 40 Tank is already taking agro. When the tanks are all dead and those mobs are running towards the cleric, now that 33 STR fighter needs to take the agro from everyone else, and the clerics need to help him. It just takes a lot of cooperation, which is hard to get in a run of 20 people. Many don't know each other and some just don't get along. It doesn't all boil down to 'fighters don't tank' and 'healers don't heal'. They all have their reasons for not doing whatever their doing, and that just might be because of limits. Cooldowns, survival, all of that is part of the equation.

Yeah I know there's situations where you won't tank on your fighter and it's perfectly understandable. obviously if I have a full end fighter vs a full str fighter the end figher is tanking. My only point is regardless of build fighters are tanks, now if there's more than one fighter you obviously have one main tank and the rest are mostly dps/back up tanks. The overall point was just that fighters shoudln't fool themselves into thinking just cause they get str they should never be expected to tank.

[magalolig]

dude you an *** i have a lvl 16 pure str fighter and he has almost 512 hp and 141 def so don't talk out bull **** pure str is good if you want a perfect fighter then put some dex on it just a little bit

[bobby123]

Leona is right you dont need end to tank ... my fighter is end,str,spr ie hybrid ... ive tanked every boss and in most KQ and 9 out 10 times i never failed ... a bit of end helps but is not essential

[-Leona-]

dude you an *** i have a lvl 16 pure str fighter and he has almost 512 hp and 141 def so don't talk out bull **** pure str is good if you want a perfect fighter then put some dex on it just a little bit


Really magalolig u should chill on the words there pal, although i agree that a str fighter is better than an end, the fact that a full end fighter will make a better tank is OBVIOUS, and with a level 16 character u cant' really understand the difficulties a full str fighter might have tanking a really strong BOSS.

There aren't to many Str Fighters that can tank MiniDragon in kingdom quest. SOME PEOPLE will say STR fighters can't tank minidragon but that is false, my build str with no end and i tanked him just fine (we won the kq) the problem was when i was getting fear on me :confused:

[lewissac]

Really magalolig u should chill on the words there pal, although i agree that a str fighter is better than an end, the fact that a full end fighter will make a better tank is OBVIOUS, and with a level 16 character u cant' really understand the difficulties a full str fighter might have tanking a really strong BOSS.


I agree. Cuz I'm Full End fighter :p So I kinda know how is it feel when STR fighter tanking boss. Before my this Full end char, previously I was a full str char deleted at lvl 14 LOLz cuz tanking a slime boss is simply an uphill task. ( or maybe because not enough clerics as there's only 1 cleric inside:rolleyes: )

[Lucifire]

hey dex fighter work 2!
can't believe it... u mean pure dex?
wow ! wat about def and hp don't they important to tank!
remember got block skill increase as your END go up !
and the shield skill lv27 increase hell of block percentage
block do work rite?
i'm tanker when lv22 for gold hill though it hit me 400+
im pure end fighter wif 900++ hp +VIT scroll 1100 hp
equip crossbone ring +6 END +5 STR and silver ring +7 END
+5 1hand sword lv20
+4 HIDE ARMOR
lv20 shield
the rest all normal
+50 Hp Sign of mara Necklace
DEF +Cleric buff +DEF Scroll =255 DEF
I got solar esclipse HEADGEAR lv26 helm +9END soon to wear
=)
Do Zombie king drop 1handed sword?
or armor

Block percentage is useless when fighting a boss, usually you'll only block once or twice per battle.

[lewissac]

True! Infact I never get block at all during Mara's KQ. So HP is my best friend there. ;)

[magalolig]

dude trust me i now what i'm talking about i got a lvl 57 str fighter
so i really now how good pure str is
its a big diferance but its the best thing to do
put your warriors/fighters on pure str
if you dont
i will hack you down hehehehehehehehehehe



juat kiding do what effer you want to do
but remeber pure str is best thing to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zack77]

Pure Strength can be good, and trust me, as a lvl 49 Fighter, I know good, but IMO, I would go 25 SPR first, then either Full END or Full STR after the 25 SPR, just for the magic defense, +50 SP, and the +5% Crit Chance. I myself went 25 SPR then rest end, my plan is 25 SPR, 50 END, then whatever left over into STR. It's been a very reliable build so far, and I got decent damage & HP/Defense, and I use an Axe. I can get my crit% to a 15% crit chance, so thats big #'s right there. But it depends on how you want to build your character, really:D, so, whatever works for you is good.

[Scadel]

lol pure str for the win.

my pure str build has pwned many pure end fighters, even if they are full +9 as my pots last longer cuz i hit harder :P

[Mizplaced]

Now I'm the sort of person who likes a challenge...at the moment I'm sharing the extra points I have over STR END and DEX...The Accessories I prefer for the other states to keep my character well evened out...Ok I'm only a level 22 at the moment...but it gives me a challenge for the more harder quests...I get Munched most of the time...but I don't honesly care...Making a Fighter purely for STR alone is just pointless because it leaves you open for other things....ans For pure END...Great...you got good DEF and a lot of HP....but it also means waisting a shed load of Stones and Pots and twenty minutes to Kill a monster...If I get slandered for posting this I really don't care...But I figured might as well add in my own 2 cents XP

[Semaj]

actually Mizplaced, my lv26 fighter is currently a 1:1:1 build of str:dex:spr (trying this out, as my main is a cleric, and my fighter is for kicks) but it seems that dex increases the chance that your skills will work (my stun works more than same lv fighters, same as the other debuff skills). also a pure dex archer attacks VERY FAST. i was curious to see if a higher dex in a figher would cause him to attack faster than a pure str or end fighter. with only 10pts into dex i cant really tell a difference, but i might be able to tell later on. or maby ill just create another and do a pure dex build for fun.

[magalolig]

Really magalolig u should chill on the words there pal, although i agree that a str fighter is better than an end, the fact that a full end fighter will make a better tank is OBVIOUS, and with a level 16 character u cant' really understand the difficulties a full str fighter might have tanking a really strong BOSS.

There aren't to many Str Fighters that can tank MiniDragon in kingdom quest. SOME PEOPLE will say STR fighters can't tank minidragon but that is false, my build str with no end and i tanked him just fine (we won the kq) the problem was when i was getting fear on me :confused:

i'll repeat i got a lvl 57 fighter pure str end i can kill like 4 monsters at 1 time so dont think i dont now what to do oke
:mad:

[Tyris]

There aren't to many Str Fighters that can tank MiniDragon in kingdom quest. SOME PEOPLE will say STR fighters can't tank minidragon but that is false, my build str with no end and i tanked him just fine (we won the kq) the problem was when i was getting fear on me :confused:

Most people that tell you that you can't tank minidragon (or anything else in particular) are clerics who got one-shotted and assume that a fighter takes the same damage as them for some reason.

[QuickDraw]

Heck I understand you. Pure STR fighters are not the tank. In fact they're Heck I understand you. Pure STR fighters are not the tank. In fact they're basically the 1...2... Kill players. Pure END which I am lvl 45 with an array of
+10str and spr items. I deal a decent amount of damage but WOW I have a huge amount of HP 1900-2200 in fact. IE scrolls weapon and armor enhancements. I use a shield and a sword. About 6/10 hit are blocked and the hits that do make it in deal maybe 50-100dmg at the most. So please leave the STR fighters alone they're doing the best. Leave the tanking to the professionals.


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Endurance Fighters will one day rule the world, untill then we'll be waiting.

A sword to protect a shield to repel, but our most valuable asset is our heart to fight.

[Kuydo]

A Str fighter can tank just as well as any End fighter, just with added damage. This is because the End stat is easily replaceable with End statted equips, weapons, rings and cash shop items. Thought being pure End will give you and edge with Def and Extra Hp, its all replaceable with items in the end.

[yukijin]

actually Mizplaced, my lv26 fighter is currently a 1:1:1 build of str:dex:spr (trying this out, as my main is a cleric, and my fighter is for kicks) but it seems that dex increases the chance that your skills will work (my stun works more than same lv fighters, same as the other debuff skills). also a pure dex archer attacks VERY FAST. i was curious to see if a higher dex in a figher would cause him to attack faster than a pure str or end fighter. with only 10pts into dex i cant really tell a difference, but i might be able to tell later on. or maby ill just create another and do a pure dex build for fun.
you are very, very mistaken.
DEX does nothing to your attack speed.

[lingloon]

A Str fighter can tank just as well as any End fighter, just with added damage. This is because the End stat is easily replaceable with End statted equips, weapons, rings and cash shop items. Thought being pure End will give you and edge with Def and Extra Hp, its all replaceable with items in the end.
kuydo, turn your words the other way round to get my message... ^^ pure END fighters can also get all +STR stuffs on body =x

[HotRed]

Whatever build you are, it all depends on what + your equipments have!

But being a FULL STR especially if you are a Tank with 2H or an Axe, the only advantage you have (Very Important anyway ^_^) is you can HOLD AGRO better than the FULL END Tank even without using the kick or mock 'coz you are not out damaged by Mages and Archers and even the Heal of Cleric won't get AGRO!

Once again, a FULL STR Tank that deals more damage can can HOLD AGRO better than Tank though the Cleric must spam heal lol! ^_^

Ehem, by the way, last night on my Grinding team, our Cleric could still do damage to the mobs 'coz they don't have to do Spam Heal on me! ^_^

Well at least your party is in the safer position 'coz you HOLD ON the mob's attention WOOT! ^_^

Please correct me if I'm wrong! ^_^

[xloserx510]

i am a pure end fighter.
in some how i think str fighter is better becasue they can do more damage to hold argo.
but ofcuse to be a Str tank you have to have all End equipments to be an aoe tank.
basically Str fighter with all green equipments(END) can tank much better than end fighter with white equipments.
Str Fighter is better than End fighter on pvp.

[capron]

DD warriors in parties are nice.They can chain stun with the tank. So the cleric has to heal less. With so much stuns and the monsters dieing off, it is a good party. DD warriors are more independant and richer class then tanks. They can also kill tanks. The only benefits I can think of full end warriors are gaining more experience as they are more needed in AOE parties, kingdom quests and lose less experience from rarely dieing.;)

EDIT: They are also useful in farming green items in dungeons, inside dungeons you are usually going to get mobbed and the bosses are hard hitting as well.

[HotRed]

Oh and I have made it as a Tank, we have killed the GGC!

Of course I have used my awesome 1H Sword +18 STR and a Shiled +18 STR too! ^_^

I forgot the other + but there is a + END too!

How can you lose the Agro when you are FULL STR wielding 1H Sword and a Shield with +36 STR in total from 1H Sword and a Shield only (not including my armor, boots and so on) WOOT? But yeah the Clerics had difficulty healing me but maybe because they were level 40 only when I was level 43 or 44?

and oh, before that there was a real Tank FULL END level 46 and I have noticed that Clerics had difficulties healing him as well and he died 2-3 times?! Is that because of the cleric couldn't spam heal or is it just because the GGC is really strong? :eek:

But the good thing is as far as I know I did not lose the Agro that time! ^_^

[-Leona-]

Rofl, definitely agreed. A STR Pure is mostly known for DPS. Mob Leak Repair, debuffs, the works. But never ever tanking, the only tanks are Axe builds ((END/SPR 3:1)) and Pure END.


ROFL xD. U R SO WRONG xD

If what u were saying would be true :D than having 4.5k hp and over 1.2k defence weilding axe will not be enough for me to tank would it :D. I think u should reconsider that :).



kuydo, turn your words the other way round to get my message... ^^ pure END fighters can also get all +STR stuffs on body =x

THIS IS SO WRONG AGAIN xD.


Now let me explain while a str fighter can get all his armor to +9 with end stats on it (that will make about 4 pieces of equips if u choose to tank with axe), the END fighter can't increase its damage through as many means the str fighter can increase his/her armor, y u ask? simple u can only have 1 weapon (which will deal your damage) while u can have 4-5 pieces of equip. Is much easier to increase your armor than to increase your damage. EVEN if the end fighter will get Str armor the benefits from str equipment is by far not the same as the free stat str.

OF course that if resources (mob numbers) will be unlimited for aoe sure the END tank will always tank more making him better for AoE. But in ancient stonies for example :) u can't aggro more than 13 and even that is an amazing number considering those mobs usually go back and they dont' chase u much. THAN mock only affects a certain max number of monsters so if u pull to many u WILL lose aggro of it :). THEREFORE given the right equip a str fighter can tank easily ESPECIALLY now with the hp extenders available. A pure end fighter will never outdamage a pure str or get anywhere close to it.

[Lythari]

Here is my opinion on tanking, and I hope this doesn't p!ss anyone off.

Whoever is better suited to tank should be the tank. It doesn't matter if they are a fighter, cleric, mage, or archer. Whoever has the Def/HP to withstand the enemy's attacks, and whoever is the most effective at managing the enemies aggro should be the tanker. I have tanked as an archer several times before, and have seen a few mages tank better than fighters. Sure, fighters are better suited for it, but don't think that they are the only ones that can. If you have an archer with 223 def, and a fighter with 197 def, and the archer has enough hp to withstand attacks, the archer would be the better tanker. Many people don't know this, but archers can be very high aggro when they want to. If an archer cranks out those DoT's followed by aim and power shot, he/she will get that enemy's full attention. I have pulled many bosses off of tankers accidentally doing that (before I learned to hold back a little). This means that so long none of the fighters taunt, the archer would be able to keep the aggro. Coupled by the def/hp, the archer would make the better tanker in this situation, imo. Hypothetically speaking, anyway.

Str is helpful, but many End tankers do very well at holding aggro via periodic taunting. Even if you think you can maintain the aggro, it doesn't hurt to use Sneering Kick from time to time. I don't feel that pure str is better than pure end. I also don't think that pure end is better than pure strength. In fact, there really is no one build better than the other: just one that best matches with your play style and preference. My fighter is a 1 str: 2 end build, and I do quite well.

[-Leona-]

The only time an archer or mage will have higher defence than a fighter is either it uses cash shop items and the fighter don't or if the fighter totally sucks. The day i'll meet a mage or archer to outtank me i'm gonna quit fiesta lolz.

[Lythari]

The only time an archer or mage will have higher defence than a fighter is either it uses cash shop items and the fighter don't or if the fighter totally sucks. The day i'll meet a mage or archer to outtank me i'm gonna quit fiesta lolz.

Just using it to explain my point. I'm not saying they do, just saying that whoever is better set up to do it should, regardless of class.

[Yoruko]

It's true end is much more easilly replaced than str but what really annoys me so much is the fighters that don't kick/mock. Even when you sit there telling them to use those abilities they watch a mage or archer tanking cause a fighter's damage is never high enough to sustain agro alone.

I don't care if someone's a str, end, or hell int fighter, when it comes down to whether you're tanking or the mage, here's a hint it's not the mage.

[-Leona-]

yeah i know ^^, i was just pointing out what i'll do if i will get outtanked by an archer or mage :p.

[Lythari]

yeah i know ^^, i was just pointing out what i'll do if i will get outtanked by an archer or mage :p.

lol. I hear ya. Imagine the sobering experience of having a mage for the main tank in Mara KQ. And the crazy part was we had plenty of 20+ fighters to spare :eek:

Well, different strokes and all that...

[shadowdragon124]

i have like end str dex and int and my fighter is really good.( only +2 int)

[Lythari]

I recommend either 25 spr, then full str, or a tanking build, which is end heavy. You can experiment with dex to see if it helps, but the most effective builds for fighters are either focused on Str or End.

[Zenkarus]

LOL hey looky what i found bump bump ^.^ well as we all know aku isnt a fail tank ya just paper brudda D: but you do pack a good punch

[Akujiki]

LOL hey looky what i found bump bump ^.^ well as we all know aku isnt a fail tank ya just paper brudda D: but you do pack a good punch

Zen...I WILL END YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy seeing me acting serious in pvp! /2 shot the paper mage yes?

[StealthVersus]

end fighter its only good for start lv only probably up to lv 50 or 60
then when u hit 70 end fighter pretty much nothing because
full str or str/spr fighter will kill you with their high damage
all the str or str/spr fighter need to get is dex/end armor if 3stats armor try get spr in there too ^^ even better with 4stats weapons increase some str ^^ even tough only 50-70damage increase in those gear str increase ^^;

[RyaikenDune]

If my archer (with only +20 End from gears), can tank the entire area of mobs in CP next to Concealed Prison 1 Gate, at level 55 with only a single cleric and moderate stone usage, hold aggro like a gem and still pick stray mobs off the cleric, a DD Fighter can tank =.=

[Stealth1312]

from 20 to lvl 33 i was tanking in the abyss's but then got bored of it i'm pure str not end i like damage not tanking and ye i hardly join a kq because of that so quests are my bestfriend lol and ignore the comments of other players if they moan at you tell them why don't they tank next time instead of having a go at you if they think it is a easy job for a pure str fighter because i don't and the abyss is hard to tank with like 20 odd ghosts and procks then fear it hard to keep a pt alive so just do what u like doing i also use end green to help but they only help a little i always need a good cleric

[Ramgee]

im 2h sword user and tanked MD (not hardcore) on lvl55. I got kill and got reward.

[Akujiki]

This thread is from a LONG LONG LONG time ago from back in my newbie days, I have learned the error of my ways since posting this thread. A friend of mine found this and bumped it back from the deepest darkest regions of the grave as a joke. Please pay no attention to this thread...omg it has a lot of views now...

[StealthVersus]

yes lots of views from me ^^; wo0t w0ot APOLINE FTW

[Cortaal]

How about a half END half STR with 10 in SPR tank? I'm only 27 now but this seems to do me good for solo and tanking in KQ. Of course, I only run around with a sword and shield XD And in Abyss, players who feel like trying to kill me when I'm fighting monsters don't really hurt me, plus once I'm done with the monster, I turn on them and whip them, but only cause while I'm in Abyss, I run with a Def, Power, and Vit scroll XD Main point is, how do people feel about half END and half STR fighters?

[eatin2muchrice09]

buy end equips...thats y they are so expensive xD

[Akujiki]

The Only reason I can tank is because everything I have on is 32+ end on it. Those mobs in TR would destroy me otherwise.

[milkyway520]

im a str fighter and can tank well up to GH right not sure about later just make sure u got lots of pots/stones and scrolls...i even did it once on GH marlone with no heals almost died but what the hey gotta live with ppl not listening in KQ good luck and god speed :D

[coldmint]

how about for a fighter using a build like 2:1:1 str:end:spr? i've been experimenting it and it's been really good. and of course, i'll stop spr at 25. but iono whether to stop adding end at 25 or 50.

[cruelbear]

I personally love my pure end fighter...there aren't too many pure str lvl 40-50 fighters that can get more def than me. And I can solo GGK at lvl 48 using only stones to heal. :D I can't hold aggro from DD's with +9 weapons though, so some str or spr would be good. Pure str is okay, but requires alot of healing or alot of money for good equips...

[killer_pagan]

pure str fighter with axe is still better tank than a cleric

[King_Obito]

Bleh I disagree. My fighter is full STR, and uses an axe. I actually tank in every party, kq, duo, aoe, whatever else there is @__@. I personally find that people always ask about def and such, but I seem to notice that aggro usually goes to the person doing the most dmg anyways. Another good thing that helps you tank with a Full STR build is END armor or just +9 armor in general. I mean if you are doing alot of damage you want a good cleric or good armor so.. it's kinda one or the other. x__X; But I'm ranting now so I'll shut up.

[EriAeris]

wow... this thread is... wow... ummm... STR fighters are allowed to attack from behind :D

[jrlg23]

lolfunny thread who said a str fighter cant tank ? i know tons who are they tank great most better then a end tank (maybe cuz there +9 end armor lol) but yea my point is a str fighter can tank great dont listen to them noobs who say str fighters cant tank

[Cortaal]

Let's look at it this way, how well does Taunt and Mock work for keeping aggro? As long as a fighter uses those abilities, they should be able to hold aggro no matter what. I'm not sure how the aggro mechanisms in this game work, but basicly spamming Taunt and Mock should work, shouldn't it?