A war of wallets~

[spheris]

So~

Its quite easy to purchase a victory for the guild tournament, tons of sc potions, and tons of tears.

The last tournament I was in there were multiple people parked at every flag with a great deal of mpots and tears.

The idle time after a person revives is shorter than the time it takes to capture a flag, so its really quite impossible even as a warlock with the benefit of icefield, fear, and mesmerize to do anything but spam kill the tear users.

My point is currently tournaments are extremely purchasable, sc pots make people harder to kill, and tears make it impossible to capture/recaputre a flag once the tear users are there-there is no such thing as competition with the tournament setup as it is currently.

Anyways I propose that during the tournament sc potions, tears of legel, and even charms be disabled so as to make the guild tournament a fair competition of skill, and not a splurge of the wallet.


Bare in mind however, that I myself am a sc user, for that matter I use quite a lot but, I'm also heavily pro competition, and not just competition but fair competition.

EDIT: One other thing I'd like to add, the competitors should be able to port into the tournament like how spectators do, but at any time, all too often I see people getting locked out of the tournament because they had the misfortune of freezing at the load screen.

[queencatstarr]

I agree!!

And something really needs to be done with members dcing at the loading screen. We have entered twice now and although we don't expect to be able to completely compete against guilds that start accepting members at lvl 95, we do want to give them a run for their money. 3/4ths of our members have been left at the gate both times. So allowing them to join at anytime would really help things a lot!!

[proofofexistence]

So~

Its quite easy to purchase a victory for the guild tournament, tons of sc potions, and tons of tears.

The last tournament I was in there were multiple people parked at every flag with a great deal of mpots and tears.

The idle time after a person revives is shorter than the time it takes to capture a flag, so its really quite impossible even as a warlock with the benefit of icefield, fear, and mesmerize to do anything but spam kill the tear users.

My point is currently tournaments are extremely purchasable, sc pots make people harder to kill, and tears make it impossible to capture/recaputre a flag once the tear users are there-there is no such thing as competition with the tournament setup as it is currently.

Anyways I propose that during the tournament sc potions, tears of legel, and even charms be disabled so as to make the guild tournament a fair competition of skill, and not a splurge of the wallet.


Bare in mind however, that I myself am a sc user, for that matter I use quite a lot but, I'm also heavily pro competition, and not just competition but fair competition.

EDIT: One other thing I'd like to add, the competitors should be able to port into the tournament like how spectators do, but at any time, all too often I see people getting locked out of the tournament because they had the misfortune of freezing at the load screen.

Very much agreed apon disable certain sc items that over power people most have mounts or costumes so its more fair to hae them in there but things like sc pots tears charms/cookies all of these things severally over power in Player versus Player

I agree!!

And something really needs to be done with members dcing at the loading screen. We have entered twice now and although we don't expect to be able to completely compete against guilds that start accepting members at lvl 95, we do want to give them a run for their money. 3/4ths of our members have been left at the gate both times. So allowing them to join at anytime would really help things a lot!!

Agreed this is a simple fix to a on going problem good idea spheris
An add on to that idea would have to be something like making the start time on the guild tornaments longer once your teleported Other wise by the time you got back it would be too late

[fpser]

Lets Face it OS wants money and they need money so making things like this available to all level limits assures them the high levels who spent alot of SC to get to high level will enter most of the time and would want to win so will spend money on SC so they can win GT. Fiesta is Free to play game yes but its Pay to Stay basically meaning pay to enjoy the game to its limit.

[birdsandthebees]

Outspark makes 1000's of dollars each guild tournament due to sc pots alone, it's not gonna change.

[Plushii]

Yeah nice idea,
But like said above, OS makes a lot profit from this, so I also doubt they'd care about a fair tourny or not x.x

[fpser]

Thats why i bough HoN Retail today and gonna get COD MW 2 as well. Im not quitting fiesta just gonna buy sc that i really need just gonna focus on production skills more often now lol.

[kajbe]

Blake, you so smart. c: I agree. And to all the people who say, "OS doesn't care they make loads of money!" It's possible that they may take this into consideration. Just because it's still in it's beta stage. Not that that really matters when I think about it. -.o

[muddtwitch]

Yes, it is true that they probably won't care. They're greedy about what money they get for probably precisely the reason stated above: this is a free to play MMO. So to make sure they keep a constant inflow of money is imperative to their longevity. Anyways, all company's are greedy and if they make enough money off people wanting to dominate the Guild Tournaments then they'll let them simply for the fact that it brings in too much money to disable. I say it sucks but it also sucks that you have to throw out money to make it to cap. A lot of it sucks especially when you don't have a great inflow of money or you have to use it on more practical things, it is sad and annoying. But the facts are the facts that OS wants money and if anything's bringing in enough of it they're not going to change it over complaints. They just expect you to buy SC, level up to high levels or cap, join a upper leveled guild and buy sc then as well to make sure you can win. That's the ultimate harsh reality. USE SC.

[evil-dead]

I agree, if disable premium item for pvp then lots of people will get back to fiesta who harassed in fiesta. and fiesta will be popular and interesting like it was earlier.

[trz2111]

I completely agree, and I made a thread about this before as well. You don't win GT, you buy it. It isn't a competition, challenge, or a test of strategy ... It is a massive spam pot/tear fest. Boring and predictable.

[TheGuardian117]

I have an idea... why not set up two tournaments? Have one allow SC items and the other have SC disabled. That way the people who want to use SC items can use them and OS will get the money, but the people who do not want to use them/can't afford them can still enjoy a guild tournament. I have not done one ever so I don't know if there are enough guilds that would use both, but it's just a thought.

[shawnpm810]

Lets put it this way. OS made the guild tournement four our enjoyment, and their benifit.
The only benifit we get from guild tournement is Rama pots and MAYBE some extra credit for putting up a good fight...*coughs*

A good fight in a guild tournement is like saying a buncha lvl 10x runnin around charmed, cookied, buffed, and having the master spam out the tourney boosts. Its still an uneven fight with the Potions and legal tears. Now, if everyone would litterally dump on eachother like in PVP KQ's where STONES and "Heals of the Clerics" were your only means of survival, this tournement might actually be worth wasting an hour in.

In Bijou one guild, and one guild alone...constantly walks away as the victor everytime due to pots charms legal tears and the HUGE ammount of clerics that join the tourney. Other guilds ive been in and joined a GT with...bring on the offensive while this particular guild i speak of joins with the wave of clerics.

Tourney's are fun non-the-less, but IMO a waste of my time.

[purpleronnie]

put urself in OS shoe...if u own the company...wouldnt u want a profit too..every1 is $_$ dont lie lol
nothing if actually FREE in this world..eeven a FREEE TO PLAY mmo...u can even buy LOVE..

every company is profit base..or at least naeed a donor to run..still $_$
im not OS fan lol..but thats how world goes around.

[pewpewlord]

put urself in OS shoe...if u own the company...wouldnt u want a profit too..every1 is $_$ dont lie lol
nothing if actually FREE in this world..eeven a FREEE TO PLAY mmo...u can even buy LOVE..

every company is profit base..or at least naeed a donor to run..still $_$
im not OS fan lol..but thats how world goes around.

The tournament is one aspect of the game, making it so that it is a fair competition would not take away from other profitable aspects of the game. Good examples of which include epic boss raids such as those for helga and karen, and just leveling in general-grinding is costly.

On an off topic note you cant buy love, you might buy a convincing act, but if you have to pay for it it isnt love.

[purpleronnie]

well for me its fair..coz u pay something to get something that others cant get for free..or if we talked about grinding..u can grind or free but it cost u time to do it faster..time is money..ppl pay money to buy time so they could lvl faster.

u can win GT w/o sc under certain circumstances..good strategy and ur opponent is dumb even i they fully sced..the rest are just war of the wallet like the op said. Or u can ask ur opposing team to agree with charmless GT but it hard to control considering each server has bunch of ppl who try to be THE BEST regardless wnat method they choose :P

[imeel]

im just against the SC pots x.x..they should have some short cd at least..

[pewpewlord]

well for me its fair..coz u pay something to get something that others cant get for free..or if we talked about grinding..u can grind or free but it cost u time to do it faster..time is money..ppl pay money to buy time so they could lvl faster.

u can win GT w/o sc under certain circumstances..good strategy and ur opponent is dumb even i they fully sced..the rest are just war of the wallet like the op said. Or u can ask ur opposing team to agree with charmless GT but it hard to control considering each server has bunch of ppl who try to be THE BEST regardless wnat method they choose :P


First thing, grinding is totally different from the tournament. The tournament is a competition and as such should be subject to a fair playing ground-Much like how the PvP kq is currently.

Second thing, I dont care how good your strategy is, if each side is relatively equal in numbers and skill the heavily sc-ed side will always win.

[purpleronnie]

read the post right..i said IF we talked about sc and grinding
and GT token price isnt cheap and the reward u can buy with the token is like 7days worth of stuff..sorta like sc stuff in store..2 GT rings = def charm + some bonus of eva and aim boost

Fair play ground..PVP KQ u can charm too..only cant sc pot..and PVP kq is a sole survivor game and GT is team survivor game.
and we won a GT with both side heavily sced but we have less ppl than the opposing team..so yea good strategy matters. and i said if the opposing team dumb even if they fully sced..i didnt say they fighting with equal numbers and skill. thats what 'under certain circumstances' means.

well actually ranting about GT not fair coz its war of wallets..i believe not gonna go anywhere..it will remains the same..just like when PVP kq came out, ppl ranting about charmed in pvp kq too..not fair etc etc..tho its 1 aspect of the game, its an option too..u can do it to enjoy or do it to win..

if most ppl did not satisfied how it works currently,, spam ticket to OS hoping they revise it.

[DF001]

This isn't Player versus Player and Free to Play, it's Wallet versus Wallet and Pay to Enjoy.

[UzumakiW]

Don't like it, go play another game because that's how this entire game runs and will always run as long as this game keeps going.

[Crazy_Kai]

I'm not saying OS isn't greedy or anything, but this game does take A LOT of money to maintain, as well as the paid employees and other games that OS owns (Fiesta Online isn't the only one). I'm assuming that the more "profit" they gain, the faster new SC items, game content, etc..come out for us to enjoy.

[imeel]

I think i understand this is a bussiness and they should make a profit with it. But there should be a LIMIT, if a game become an "empty ur wallet" will just make some people quit because the drama, abusing of spark cash usually ends in this. The problem is that some premium items makes u practically INVINCIBLE like a god and i find it so MEAN from OS part to keep the things like that, just to get some extra profit (ex: cs pots, tears, etc). Next item in the store will be a One hit KO glove which is going to pawn all, ofc im going to buy it even if it costs 1000000 sc in a limited quantities edition.
/sarcastic
There should be a BALANCE between PLAYLABLE and PROFIT to make an excellent game so players and OS would be more frindly each other, but this is not the case. People who is actually friendly with OS are average players that likes more community (chatting ig, slow leveling, regular sc spend user) instead of playing for being competitive like some gamers do to try "be the best", this people is who spend A LOT MORE sparkcash in game.
I have seen people to loose all when they become so greedy.

/fail english.

[fireyair]

*Does little wallet push-ups*

M4I W4LL3T PWN JOO W4LL3T


Peace:cool:

[heehaw316]

I'm not saying OS isn't greedy or anything, but this game does take A LOT of money to maintain, as well as the paid employees and other games that OS owns (Fiesta Online isn't the only one). I'm assuming that the more "profit" they gain, the faster new SC items, game content, etc..come out for us to enjoy.

Ill say they are greedy. and OS doesn't even own these games, they're renting them from the developers.

[purpleronnie]

dont play this game. play tetris or freecell..thats free..no sc item also

[ChildOfFire]

dont play this game. play tetris or freecell..thats free..no sc item also

LOL. Just wondering would you still playing this game when only left 20 players per server? The people who complaining about the sc items does have a good intention, they loves the game and want other to stay. Seriously i won't play this game after 3 years if the population is low. And what make this population deteriorate is something that we should prevent. One of that is making the game more imbalance with sc item as it already is. I don't mind buying the costumes, cute pets, house. But seriously charm/sc item should not available in pvp. When i start on this game, those items were not on fiesta store yet we still have fun in game, pvp is fair coz it a good battle on players skills and a prove how they play their class right.

Does the word fair exist on pvp nowadays???think it for yourself. I myself spend bit of my money on sc everymonth, i can afford it and don't mind to spend it as long as it fun for me and as long as i have friends to chat when i grow bored of grinding.

[purpleronnie]

lol ^ u seems atking me personally.
1. i never go pvp to charm and win a fight coz..im a guardian and i hate pvp zone. pvp kq just for my free exp during my 'im lazy to grind' day. i charmed in GT coz im the GM who will lose 15-30 point if i got killed and it felt horrible if ur comrade struggle getting point and i just gave the opposing team free point. i cant get any point for obvious reason - im a cleric
2. im not saying ill play this game for forever but from what i could see..server has increased from 3 (when i started to play - apoline/teva/bijou) to 6 (with epith/cypion/legel) and back then..server always 'Low' and now 'Medium' most of the time and even reach 'High' in certain server.

Solution is : dont go pvp if u sick of ppl using charm. Charm can be useful in certain way : grinding especially when u dont have lot of time to play due to work and ****t in RL and u dont wanna waste time lvling slowly with 22k sc running per month for Elite Bundles.

I do agree with sc pot ruin pvp/gt. and TOL since it ruined my rebirth. but w/e..we can just rant here..and hope they did something about it but obviously nothing happening atm. thats why i said if u cant take it anymore..dont play..just play freecell.

i can keep ranting for pages. but its not gonna go anywhere. Charm still there to be purchased. TOL still there. SC pot still there. Coz there always some1 buying it. Until every1 or at least 50% of the community stop buying em..maybe os will do something about it.

[Saruin]

The tournament is one aspect of the game, making it so that it is a fair competition would not take away from other profitable aspects of the game. Good examples of which include epic boss raids such as those for helga and karen, and just leveling in general-grinding is costly.

On an off topic note you cant buy love, you might buy a convincing act, but if you have to pay for it it isnt love.

Can I buy your love hot stuff? ;)<3

On topic.
"Don't pvp if you don't wanna use charm"
Free to play game, 50$ monthly to enjoy.

[davistan]

os juz need to make the game little more balance.

a team of 10 players with full sc pot user > a team of 20 with the same amount of people using sc pot.

[fireyair]

a team of 10 players with full sc pot user > a team of 20 with the same amount of people using sc pot.

LOLWUT?

Peace:cool: