even i'm greedy... but...

[spookyiness]

k
rant time

as most of you know, i have very fixed selling prices for my scrolls & pots (& stones when i sell them), based on what really is a good price for them, bearing in mind this isn't the only server i've made money on.

i'm proof positive that you can make money without selling sparkcash (if i'm guilty of anything, it's giving my friends gold when they gift me stuff, or buying them nice things as my thank you for the gifts), yet i'm able to sit there and make very good money buying mats and selling scrolls at the prices i sell at.

there is no need for the "normal" price for scrolls to be in the 20s area, when 10s is profit making with NPC mats, let alone vending for mats

now, of course, it's a free market, and people are allowed to sell what they want for as much as they want, but i do think it's very selfish of the wealthy few players who spot stores like mine with NORMAL prices on things, buying them all out so that no normal player can buy at those prices, then doubling up and reselling, to keep the market prices high.

not everyone capped in a week, or got bored with levelling or made money in less than legitimate ways, most players are in fact in-game-poor, and can barely get by at the best of times, and THEN, these same wealthy players go out of their way to poke fun at the lesser players for not having money, when they don't even get a fair chance.

I know damn well i'm not the only one who sells scrolls at normal prices, and i know damn well that most of the scroll sellers actually farm their own mats, so them charging so much is more than greedy - but i do believe that those of you high levels, or wealthy players should stop buying out people who take their time to make scrolls and pots to help out others purely so you can resell them at a higher price - it's even worse when you yourself are a scroll maker and you just don't want to see lower prices than your own.

we all need all tier scrolls & pots at some point, and yes, we look for bargains for our academies and friends, that's all well and good, but for the love of god, give the newer and poorer players a decent chance and stop preventing people from selling at what they want. I refuse to charge 20s for a t3 or t4 scroll, or 10s for a t2 scroll, it's just stupid to have those prices - but just because i can cut those prices in half and make a profit, that doesn't mean it's okay or very community minded of you to just buy out stacks and stacks to make more money to your already "loads o' money" when people actually want things.

With the exception of 1 or 2 mats that are just easy to farm from day 1, and by gathering my own toads/saps, i can make a profit selling t2's @ 5s, t3's @ 10s & t4's @ 10-12s - if i can, YOU can.

i don't want to have to privately sell most of my stash to players, it would be nice if i could just vend them so that everyone gets a fair chance, but until you greedy players let that happen, this server is going to go further down and down until it's just 10 people with all the money & weapons and everything, and everyone else just won't take the abuse anymore

[Negi31]

I've always wondered why you sold your products at such a low price. I always thought you were just being nice, or had a surplus of mats ALL the time and could afford to make less of a profit, but profit nonetheless. I guess I kind of fall into that category of players that can hardly scrape together some money to buy some of the essential things like T4 scrolls (I guess I can use this post to also say thank you for always having a healthy supply of Tier 3 and T4 speed that was affordable). I do hope that some players take what you have typed to heart though. Good luck with your rant =3

Tatsumiya 9x archer~

[rekselric43]

So thats why my shop was swept clean in only a mere 10mins o.o

[cricle]

Wow i feel bad for buying 20stack of scrolls from B3rry. lol
But truth is she was selling cheaper than my mat cost.
For example) T4 Eva will cost 2bdt 3sbl 3TL 1sap. that is 2*2+3*3+3*1+1=17s
yes i maxed my scroll skill long time ago and yes i used to grind hell lot of garg/bb so bdt was never in shortage and so is TL. BUT when you cap you just don't get mats. my archer and fighter is hardly getting enough mats to make scroll for my own.
And i just never open buy store so i buy BDT/TL from ppl grind bb and buy sbl from AR.. making my cost to 17s. So yes when i see ppl sell 10stacks of Eva/S.Def for 16s or Vit for 10s, I clean them out.
Do i really need scroll? Nope, i have about 50stack of scrolls.
Do I resell them? Not unless i really do need money.
And yes when i resell i sell for 20s for eva cause i think after all the trouble i go through looking for mats/making/storing/vending, i want to make at least 3s per scroll. However, there also was time I gave away 20stacks for guild raid.
BTW I've never seen you sell s.def/eva at 10s.. maybe i was too late to buy them out lol.

[caitcouldchoke]

I regret not buying stacks of T3s when you sold them at 10s each, Bobbi.

I just wanted to let you know...you're my hero.
And I buy T4 Speed from you and you alone.
ilysm. <3 ;-;

People need to be like Bobbi and stop being money hungry. >>
Especially those who are already rich in gems.
Seriously, stop taking our money. .-.

[spookyiness]

i've never sold t1 scrolls, just npc, or gave them away
t2's - vit/aim/def/eva/mdef = 5s
t3's - vit/aim/def/eva/mdef = 10s
t4's - vit/mdef = 10s, aim/def/eva = 12s
t5's - vit/aim/def/eva/mdef = 20-30s depending on where i get the mats (if i farm, 20s, if i'm forced to buy them all, 30s, as per my current stacks on Vendor)

i tend to market the ones i actually use, so currently t3's are what i make the most of, cause Danni is pre75, but after this next batch, i'm prolly going to t4's

my sales prices remain fixed, my purchase prices waver slightly depending on which mat i need most of for a batch - but i always make batches for all 5 types of scroll, never just single types - so if i'm selling a stack of vit, if there's nothing else, it just means someone else grabbed the aim/def/eva/mdef

speeds are the only ones that are different, due to the stupid high prices people need to sell their slime for (i don't farm my own slime), i don't make t2's, i sell t3s @ 50s & t4s at 80s.

Most mats i can afford to top up with NPC purchases and still make profits, but anything i can vend purchase or farm for myself just makes a tiny bit more of a bonus - but i have no need to double my selling price just for extra moneys lol

but if you pay a certain amount for vend mats, or you're forced to because of the market at your vending times of day, then yes, you need to sell for more, that's not what my "complaint/rant" was about, it was more preventing a little competitiveness between the sellers and producers to actually supply these things to the players that need them, and not just to those that have excesses of money and space.

I'm lucky that i have many computers here, so yes, i can have my selling vendor on 24/7 - i could have a 24/7 purcahse store in eld & uruga too if i really wanted to, but even i think that's overkill, i just buy on my main char when i'm not playing, and as my actual play time is relatively low, i get a lot of online time buying mats - not everyone has that luxury and has to buy things only at peak times when everyone else pushes the prices up :>

[SharpSony]

I only buy out your scrolls to sell them to my Guildies who are too poor to afford at the ridiculous prices of the current market.

Being one of the rich players, I don't think it's greedy buying out cheaper scrolls and keeping them for myself, even if there are people who needed them more than I. It's called a "Deal", I save more money buying the cheaper scrolls, hence, how I become richer than most. It's not a crime, and neither is it unfair to anyone.

Another thing I've noticed with our community, is we are too chatty, another reason why we're poor.
People are scrolled up, in grinding areas, just talking. Not even mobbing, not even questing. And we wonder why we are so poor? I know not everyone is a hardcore gamer such as myself, and maybe I do take this game a little too seriously. But if you are poor, then you have no one else to blame other than yourself. And if the market for scrolls is what they are today, then we have no one else to blame other than ourselves. I don't mind buying the scrolls at the market prices, as I don't waste my time when I'm scrolled.

I don't think it's a problem from greed which has cost our scroll prices to be jacked up so high. It's the community who doesn't understand efficiency and conservation. They just aimlessly waste their money on useless commodities (Spark Cash, even... People with a couple hundred SC suits they bought with Gold).

So I'll end with this. Even though we can try to maintain the prices to keep them low, it may not work. The only thing we can do is just watch as the server runs itself. Trying to control it, will just cause unnecessary drama for a lot of people. (Especially the greedy ones trying to make big bucks from their 18s T4 scrolls, and 15s T3 scrolls).

[spookyiness]

you're buying them for a purpose though, and an unselfish one technically as you resell without greatly inflating the prices

there are people who actually make their own scrolls who refuse to let the prices appear lower than them, so they will always buy out any stores for resell at "their" prices

i'd name very specific names, but i like my account and don't want it banned

[amilcar46]

well I have found myself in the same predicament. The prices for our much needed scroll's did sky rocket and found myself pondering the same question over and over why don't I just make my own scrolls? but always find the answer to be "THAT"S RIGHT SOME PPL MUST MAKE THERE MONEY SOMEHOW". We all make our money by various way's I myself farm and provide Gear and some Wep's at reasonable prices but am most afraid of this trend of who can make the most out scroll's, If this continues am afraid of what can happen who knows maybe everyone may pick a scroll making alt and just render these scroll tycoon's useless. I myself may not be the richest player but I don't mind paying for scroll's and pots due to the fact that I like to see are economy blooming but when my money goes to a part of something damaging and not helpful I do get a little upset >=0.

[faithrules]

hey straw you owe me for that stack of t4 def LOL

[fpser]

lol my friend does that he buys anyone selling t1 lixes that are less 3s and below then sells them for 3.5s and i was like a what a ****** the price is between 2s to 4s being max and 50% players sell for 4s and 25% on 3.5s and the rest below that. well i will say that i sell for 3.5 s but i get the mats and everything then sell and people just are annoying when they buy u out and sell for more. it ruins the economy like karis ruined the economy IMO so bad.

[vietree]

lol my friend does that he buys anyone selling t1 lixes that are less 3s and below then sells them for 3.5s and i was like a what a ****** the price is between 2s to 4s being max and 50% players sell for 4s and 25% on 3.5s and the rest below that. well i will say that i sell for 3.5 s but i get the mats and everything then sell and people just are annoying when they buy u out and sell for more. it ruins the economy like karis ruined the economy IMO so bad.

Sorry boo boo I can't go! Am not feeling this at all.
There are 20 blocks when you use vendor items.
If each block sold for a GOLD each that would only be 20 gold.

For me, A bare minimum of 500silver must go into that block. (Save pots scrolls, only because of the speed in which they move.)

Which is why I've been making so many Karis. I almost have 60. When I hit 130 I'll prolly blow them all out.But even then thats not enough for me... I need 10 gems. then Ima be str8
So buyin something and making that little on it, doesnt even add up to the electricity spent on running the pc if you average it all out.

(Depending on what your time is worth.)

But PWNING....pbbbbt. I'll spend all kindas of resources on that.
Ask this Jamoch below!! I pwn him so hard core.




well I have found myself in the same predicament. The prices for our much needed scroll's did sky rocket and found myself pondering the same question over and over why don't I just make my own scrolls? but always find the answer to be "THAT"S RIGHT SOME PPL MUST MAKE THERE MONEY SOMEHOW". We all make our money by various way's I myself farm and provide Gear and some Wep's at reasonable prices but am most afraid of this trend of who can make the most out scroll's, If this continues am afraid of what can happen who knows maybe everyone may pick a scroll making alt and just render these scroll tycoon's useless. I myself may not be the richest player but I don't mind paying for scroll's and pots due to the fact that I like to see are economy blooming but when my money goes to a part of something damaging and not helpful I do get a little upset >=0.

**huggies***
**pwned

Im a sell you all mah scrollz for 55 silver each you buyin? Ah' SAID YOU BUYING?
Thats better.

I sell mah scrollz for 29 silver each and they sell like crazy. Especially when I put another shoppe with shield scrolls next to it for 10 silver each. So even if my competition runs
.out, I still get their overflow, and make more than them in the process. Plus It's no different than any other market. Follow the trends.

If there are no AIM scrollz available, then bump up the price of your aim scrolls. If they don't like it, they can raise their level like everyone else did.

Or buy one of my custom skill leveling kits!
All ya need to raise your scroll/stone making up a full tier!!! alchemy stones and mats all included!! Hurry hurry hurry buy fast these wont last long

Sorry. I needed a break from reading my brother's dissertation.

I'm a go enhance more gears now.


**bats eyes at straw hat

[dominion524]

Okay, no response to the people buying and reselling for more...but just wanted you to know that I always buy my t4 speed scrolls from you Bobbi, because it's a fair price ^^

[arzheas]

I also buy t4 speed scrollies from Bobbi,but usually when I get to her store it already running out,lol..... u.u

[fishhao]

Bobbi, I'd like to buy scrolls from you. I am new and money is not easy to get :(

[kevin27988]

I only buy out your scrolls to sell them to my Guildies who are too poor to afford at the ridiculous prices of the current market.

Being one of the rich players, I don't think it's greedy buying out cheaper scrolls and keeping them for myself, even if there are people who needed them more than I. It's called a "Deal", I save more money buying the cheaper scrolls, hence, how I become richer than most. It's not a crime, and neither is it unfair to anyone. .

U became richer than most thanks to plvling :P

SCROLLS ARE VERY OVER PRICED. is it rude for me to buy out t4 scrolls at ur cheap prices( i cant make them just yet nearly tho) cause i can for personal use?

i agree when i sell t3 i sell for 12s apart from aims which i sell for 14s ea(find sbt/sbft a lil harder to get) and YES i do sell more stacks of def and vit than i do aim and eva and mdef for the simple fact that people buy more vit and def.

at the end of the day we cant fix the market over night...... most of the people selling scrolls at massive over price will suddenly relise when they arent selling out that maybe they should lower.... these people are lazy and just want to buy npc buy mats and dont wanna farm there own mushys and sap(its not that hard!)

lol maybe the people who sell at over priced dont no decomper? lol its not that hard to make a decomper! :P

[vietree]

My scrollz are for me..so when I sell them, I sell them for expensive prices...
Cause honestly....them money I make from selling the blues I get from bashing in GOC and harpy's head exceed the sale and time spent gathering matz. All thanks to my scrolls with a pinch of mah awesomeness.

[kevin27988]

My scrollz are for me..so when I sell them, I sell them for expensive prices...
Cause honestly....them money I make from selling the blues I get from bashing in GOC and harpy's head exceed the sale and time spent gathering matz. All thanks to my scrolls with a pinch of mah awesomeness.

must be hard getting blue from goc at 75 ^^ the charms wouldnt be worth it espically when u ks normal orc not goc's

[oakparkguitarlessons]

must be hard getting blue from goc at 75 ^^ the charms wouldnt be worth it espically when u ks normal orc not goc's

Ummmm No....Ask Rei Rei....Goc Drops for me 24/7...
I use war rants Mr. And I get mad drops...especially when I farm on Server Maintenence.
So whatever.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

I also buy t4 speed scrollies from Bobbi,but usually when I get to her store it already running out,lol..... u.u

I don't even know where Bobbi vends them, I got sick of paying a fortune for T3 scrolls. I'm glad I stockpiled T4s, I have so many of them it is rediculous.

[cratedigger]

SAdly, Bobbi is Gone for awhile. So back to Jacked up prices until she comes back (dunno when ).

[spookyiness]

it's an old post, but that first original post is once again relevant
i was gone for a while, and everything doubled in price

if i can double my money making scrolls, when i am buying every single mat myself and not farming any, then those that just buy out my store and stop the PLAYERS from being allowed to buy things at a reasonable price are just showing how greedy they are

people who level, and get free mats from that, or from their friends are selling at double the price i sell at, and they have the audacity to ream me in whisper

Those of you that have been here on cypion since it started, who know how out of hand the scroll market got for a while until it was flooded to make the prices reasonable know what i'm talking about - do i have to do that again? or are you actually going to play fair

if you make your own scrolls, you have NO REASON WHATSOEVER to buy out other scroll stores - everyone in the game needs scrolls, re-selling is just lazy and greedy - let the players who actually play the game for what it is play without needing to be gem-aniairs, you wil notice the trickle down effect as gears and other things come down in price as grinding and farming starts to cost them less

people need to grow up and learn that this is a multi-player game, not a single player game

[typ3er]

>_>. I quit about a year and a half ago if not more. I started when this server came out.. But then soon quit at highier levels when I figured out for myself how much SC I needed as a mage. :rolleyes:

What has the price gone to now anyway? I remember T4's at like 35s ea or something like that.. T3's were 18-22s.

[seredh]

I've been reamed myself over the prices I put on pots. Apparently selling t3 HP at 4s and t4 HP at 6s is a capital freaking offense. And then I watched while the reamer bought out my stock. And resold for 6s and 9s respectively.

Come now. I found the mats, the pots were free to make. But let's gouge someone NINE FREAKING SILVER each time they use a t4 potion to make a quick buck.

Same shiz, different prod. I feel ya, Bobbi.

[spookyiness]

yeps
there is indeed some kind of cypion cartel thing happening

i was told in uncertain terms that i'm not allowed to sell my scrolls, or pots, at a price i deem reasonable, and which still make me a good profit

this group of people have worked together to rig some price-fixing thing up, and have said they will do everything to ensure noone gets to buy my stuff - buying out my stock and reselling for double the price.

So, people of cypion, if you wondered why your scroll and pot prices were so high lately, that's why, anyone that wants to offer reasonably priced items is told clearly that they are not allowed to "or else".

an argument was that only veteran players who have money should be allowed to buy scrolls, not everyone that plays the game, it's selfish of _ME_ to sell at lower prices because all the poorer players buy them and use them, and then quit the game, it's not fair on the players that stick around and play all the time - but, apparently, by the same logic, it's perfectly acceptable to overprice things to sell to these same players that stick around and do good deeds.

it's the same poop we went through about 9 months ago with another small group, but eventually people cottoned on and stopped buying the high priced stuff - maybe it will work again, maybe not - maybe i'll start selling in private instead of in a store - you contact me if you want scrolls, i'll sell them to you privately, ensuring that the greedy players don't buy out stock and resell them to you at double that price.

it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that if it costs players less money to do their grinding, they sell their wares for less, it they have to spend 2g an hour just in scrolls and pots, of course they need to sell what they got for high prices, if they only spent 500s, they don't need to make as much, it's called trickle down, and it works, and it's been proven to work.

i'll put my nose out about private buyers, we'll see how that goes - any guilds want in, just let me know. As before, when i have a batch of scrolls, i rotate through the list and ask each person what they want, they all pay the 12s per t4 scrolls, or 100s per t4 speed, end of story, no price changes, i have always kept my prices constant.

that way, people can grind and quest without needing to be GEMinaires, and they get to buy their scrolls from the person who took the time to buy the mats, and make the scrolls, rather than some greedy person who bought their stock, then doubled the price to resell.

[bitoy004]

k
rant time

as most of you know, i have very fixed selling prices for my scrolls & pots (& stones when i sell them), based on what really is a good price for them, bearing in mind this isn't the only server i've made money on.

i'm proof positive that you can make money without selling sparkcash (if i'm guilty of anything, it's giving my friends gold when they gift me stuff, or buying them nice things as my thank you for the gifts), yet i'm able to sit there and make very good money buying mats and selling scrolls at the prices i sell at.

there is no need for the "normal" price for scrolls to be in the 20s area, when 10s is profit making with NPC mats, let alone vending for mats

now, of course, it's a free market, and people are allowed to sell what they want for as much as they want, but i do think it's very selfish of the wealthy few players who spot stores like mine with NORMAL prices on things, buying them all out so that no normal player can buy at those prices, then doubling up and reselling, to keep the market prices high.

not everyone capped in a week, or got bored with levelling or made money in less than legitimate ways, most players are in fact in-game-poor, and can barely get by at the best of times, and THEN, these same wealthy players go out of their way to poke fun at the lesser players for not having money, when they don't even get a fair chance.

I know damn well i'm not the only one who sells scrolls at normal prices, and i know damn well that most of the scroll sellers actually farm their own mats, so them charging so much is more than greedy - but i do believe that those of you high levels, or wealthy players should stop buying out people who take their time to make scrolls and pots to help out others purely so you can resell them at a higher price - it's even worse when you yourself are a scroll maker and you just don't want to see lower prices than your own.

we all need all tier scrolls & pots at some point, and yes, we look for bargains for our academies and friends, that's all well and good, but for the love of god, give the newer and poorer players a decent chance and stop preventing people from selling at what they want. I refuse to charge 20s for a t3 or t4 scroll, or 10s for a t2 scroll, it's just stupid to have those prices - but just because i can cut those prices in half and make a profit, that doesn't mean it's okay or very community minded of you to just buy out stacks and stacks to make more money to your already "loads o' money" when people actually want things.

With the exception of 1 or 2 mats that are just easy to farm from day 1, and by gathering my own toads/saps, i can make a profit selling t2's @ 5s, t3's @ 10s & t4's @ 10-12s - if i can, YOU can.

i don't want to have to privately sell most of my stash to players, it would be nice if i could just vend them so that everyone gets a fair chance, but until you greedy players let that happen, this server is going to go further down and down until it's just 10 people with all the money & weapons and everything, and everyone else just won't take the abuse anymore

Actually I dont agree w/ the buy high sell low concept, the only time the do that in wall street is if they wanna crush and bully the competition because they can. The prices on scroll is based on how much people buy mats. So in the words of Alfred Marshall father of the law of supply and demand, this concept is absurd and insane.
Also if you notice your vend sometimes seems to disappear fast, thats because several of us made a pack to buy you out and resell it so that it doesn't ruin the market.

[Pphedre]

fyi bobbi not everyone has all day to farm mats and dig for toads. Your prices are my cost. You say im being greedy when you seem to have time to get free mats some how.
You are being very narrow minded when you call other scroll selllers greedy. I saw your prices...you sold for exactly my cost for def and BELOW my cost for agility. Yes i bought all your scrolls and resold them cause you basically saved me a ton of time for no difference in cost
Those prices are find for you cause you apparently either don't lvl or have time to lvl and dig for toads, farm for sbl etc etc etc. I do not. I want to be able to play this game...i want to be able to buy nice eqiupments.
That means charging for my time and for the mats i spend money on resonably. I certainly dont' charge 20s for scrolls but if someone chooses to sell for that much and someone chooses to buy them then thats not realy your business.
Dont' be calling us greedy simply because we feel like our time deserves some sort of compensation. I spend over 2 hrs a night making scrolls....i don't deserve something for my time? sorry i find you saying that people like me are greedy highly offensive. You don't even take into account not all of us have the time or ability you do to get mats. You know very well you have lots of friends who sell you mats for cheap.
Leave the scroll makers alone....to me those that make scrolls day in and day out are the ones who stick with the game. They wanna have nice equips and they put forth lots of effort to lvl their scrolls and their decomp etc and deserve to be compesated for those efforts.

Fine sell your scrolls for 12s...but to me thats my cost for making...so yes i will buy your scrolls and resell them cause i don't have time to prance around digging up 5 stacks of toads....which btw takes about 3 to 4 hrs to do. Id rather be enjoying my game.


For those that don't know here are mat prices in a buying vend...its more from npc:
SBL 2s or more
Tooth 2s or more
Crude 500 cop or more
toads 2s or more
bl 400 cop
sbft 400 cop (when bobbi last played it was 2s....i personally lowered the price for that mat so aim and mdef could be cheaper to sell to you)


here a sample of my costs:
1 sheild scrolls uses: 2 sbl, 2 tooth, 3 crude, 1 toad.....thats 11.5s just to make.
1 agility scroll uses: 3 sbl 2 tooth 3 crude 1 sap....thats 12s to make


um ya im super greedy.

[Pphedre]

bobbi also says scroll prices are high lately? They are lower then they have been in a year....she is filling your head with scare tactics....i personally bought her scrolls out at 12 and sold them for my usual price of 18, 17 and 16s...certainly not even close to double...so that pretty much is a lie what she said.
As i said...12s is the COST OF MAKING SHEILD and is even less then it costs me to make agility, this is because i have a family and a life and i don't have time to lvl and spend 6 hrs a day farming toads and sap. So why wouldn't i buy all her scrolls and resell them if its the same cost as me making them?

Don't lie bobbi about the details..there is no cartel. It was ME.

maybe you make a thread about the blue market too bobbi...cause you certainly need to be a 'geminaire' to buy any 95 blues these days. And if im being greedy about making 4s on a scroll how do i make enough for the 6 gem it cost me to get equips for 95?




also bobbi watch your store...no way you are buying all your mats...all you buy is leather and slime...so where are the rest of the mats coming from? Sbl is 2s...tooth is 2s toads are OVER 2s lately....and crude is at least 500cop...to me thats 12s per scroll....2 sbl = 4s + 2 tooth = 8s + 1 toad = 10s +3 crude = pretty much 12s....so how you does your math figure bobbi?
stop trashing me and sell your scrolls.....no one cares about who was on cypion from the start anymore then the people that care about those that have sold scrolls since the game began (ME).
Stop lying....stop trashing...just sell your scrolls your way and ill sell mine...mine. Don't worry i won't bother trying to get you to be respectful to the other scroll makers in uruga anymore...you'll just twist my words into lies again like you've done here.


sorry to those reading this...i have repeated myself, but im pretty upset at this slander. I try very hard to make my scroll prices fair not only to those making money off of selling me mats but also for those buying...but at the same time be able to make enough money to buy out rageously priced equips....i really don't see what im doing as bad. Its offensive when someone waltzes in whose been gone for half a year and start telling me how greedy i am.

[rekselric43]

That still doesnt explain why t3s needs to be 20s tho.

[caitcouldchoke]

Lol @ people who have to buy out Bobbi's scrolls.
****s.

[spookyiness]

i don't farm mats, i haven't even played in forever, just vending - i buy all my mats from my purchase store, and get nothing for free. For 20 stacks of t4 scrolls, it costs me 6.76g, which when i sell at 12s a pop, nets me just over 5g profit - if you are paying far more for your mats, then that is your own fault, mat prices can remain constant because there are always more mats around to be sold, than people buy.

sbft was 500c when i left before, it was 2s at the beginning as noone did kkp in the early days, but it was 500c long before i left, and dogtooth is so rampant i buy at 1.5s and still get all i need for each batch.

to have a "PACT" to buy out all my scrolls whenever i sell them is doing exactly what i said you were doing, so thanks for putting that in writing for me, as it prevents other players without money from buying scrolls.

Very occasionally, i'll spend an hour or so farming toads, and that saves me a fortune too, but again, it's not the high cost of mats that's your problem, it's the high cost you put in your purchase stores that makes it a problem. Even if i pay for all my toads & saps at the "high" prices people seem to think they are worth these days, i STILL make a profit, and a good profit - the vast majority of my game wealth is from selling nothing pots and scrolls, and that was back when i was funding an expensive academy, buying purple pots daily & buying all my expensive gears - there is no need for the prices to be so high.

I used to sell at 10s, but i made the choice to up my t4 prices to 12s, but i refuse to go any higher than that, and anyone that buys out any store for the express purpose of reselling at a higher price should really look at themselves carefully, you are stopping other people from enjoying their game, because they can't afford scrolls

but it's moot, i won't be selling in a store again for a while, i already have a list of people who will buy privately, and i'm sure that list will grow, because people don't want to be cheated out of their gold just because you saw the scrolls on sale first

[caitcouldchoke]

OH, GOD, BOBBI.
PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR LIST OF PRIVATE BUYERS.
Please. c: <3

[spookyiness]

Actually I dont agree w/ the buy high sell low concept, the only time the do that in wall street is if they wanna crush and bully the competition because they can. The prices on scroll is based on how much people buy mats. So in the words of Alfred Marshall father of the law of supply and demand, this concept is absurd and insane.
Also if you notice your vend sometimes seems to disappear fast, thats because several of us made a pack to buy you out and resell it so that it doesn't ruin the market.

i buy all my mats, i make a profit. supply and demand have nothing to do with it, but when someone buys all the stocks of the lower prices stores and resells at higher prices, how is that a better world on the streets?

my vend always disappears fast, even when the resellers don't get there first, because the consumer is sick of being overcharged for the products. The only ones ruining the market are those that are preventing the free ability to charge whatever they choose for their product. I make my money no matter who buys my product, and i make it quickly, and always have, and until recently scroll prices were a little more stable, i want them stable again.

My concern isn't about my ability to sell, i'll always have more people wanting scrolls than i can produce, it's always been that way - but unlike you, i let everyone buy my scrolls at my prices, i don't wander into your store and hold a picket line stopping people from buying my wars, so why are you so scared to let other people buy my product?

the making money answer is never going to work - when i actually farmed my own mats, my scrolls were cheaper still, but i have decided to stick at the 12s price now, which as previously stated, is actually a price increase.

And to answer the t3 scroll question of before, 10s is the max you should charge for a t3 scroll and still double your money if you buy all your mats. There are more mats being sold than stores buying them, there is no need to hike up buying prices just because you want your store to buy out first, my store still buys out with all my constant prices, i don't need to compete, so noone else should either. The only reason i don't still make t3s is purely time based, i'd have to decomp all my mats and it takes a full day to decomp and make a full batch of scrolls, and lots of char changing and so on cause there are just more mats needed for each scroll. If i have that kind of time on my hands in the day, i rather quest and get some exp.

Just let all the sellers of everything sell what they want, for whatever they want - if you think that ONE seller can ruin the scroll market, then clearly the market is not stable enough for such high prices, there is no way i can provide scrolls to the entire server, so there will always be people that have no choice but to buy the expensive ones. But to prevent regular players from buying from some people who are prepared to play fair is just unfair to those players

i still make my money one way or the other, it makes no difference to me, but i think of other players in the game, not just my bank balance

[Ex.plode]

I could never get into selling scrolls/stones, I didn't have the patience :c..



Teva's regular prices are:

13~15s per T3 Scroll (excluding speed)
15~20s per T4 Scroll (excluding speed)




Come start a price revolution here please, It's pretty bad as well :c

[Pphedre]

omg i soooo don't care about what scrolls were like when you started on this server bobbi....pls stop talking about 'what it was like when the server opened' this is the way it is NOW.
Yes maybe you can afford to only make scrolls every 2 weeks cause thats about how often you'd be able to with buying mats at those prices. Sorry when im being told that a 95 top is 2gem....i kinda need to make more moeny

Bobbi we know you are lying about that anyway, to get 6.5g for 20 stacks of scrolls yo have to be getting free mats somewhere. I NEVER see your store buying anything other then leather, slime and sometimes tooth (for cheaper then anyone else...ripping off mat sellers). So your numbers don't add up.....you are clearly telling a lie in there somewhere. I can do math.
As for coax...i dont HAVE to buy her scrolls....i buy them cause she is giving the FALSE impression that 12s is a reasonable price for scrolls if people expected scrolls to be 12s i wouldn't bother making them anymore, cause id lose money. Ive watched scroll markets being destroyed by impatient sellers on other servers. There are people on this server that keep from having to spend real money cause of their ability to sell scrolls....id rather not see scroll prices drop to the point where we only make 1s per scroll. I won't actually be able to play the game anymore...i don't have time to farm for things. I have a life.

Its supply and demand. You do realize bobbi that some people make money off of selling mats to us scroll makers? So i should rip them off when their mats are worth more?
On other servers SBL is worth 2s so is tooth..why should i make people get less money for them here?
So lemmie see...im being greedy by making scrol prices too high, yet you have no problem screwing over people who do kkp etc just to make money? They are makin little enough as it is.
I have regulars who sell to my buying store and I purposely make my prices the highest for buying mats cause i know they are going out of their way to sell to my store and i don't wanna rip them off.


Your logic is fail bobbi. You say you are being this great robin hood and saving scroll prices when really you are just helping one group to screw over another 2 groups.

So are you gonna talk to the blue sellers next bobbi? make those prices fair? Or maybe to those who farm TM and ask them not to hog the entire map so more blues will drop and prices will be cheaper?

no thought not. You just wanna point the fingers and ignore why prices are the way they are and who actually benefits.....ya not just me...the people that sell mats too and depend on that income from kkp.

as for t3 scrolls, i do not make them. I do know that when i did make them i sold them for a lot cheaper then i see them for now. Again its supply and demand....i guess people are able to sell them at current prices so theres no motivation to lower them. I do know that when i made t3s i would spend up to 3 hrs a night decomping....was very time consuming no one seems to appriciate the amt of time it takes to do these things.

[spookyiness]

i was only gone for like 2 months, it's not the difference between "the server started" and now, it's what happened in the last couple of months, from a few sellers to a lot of sellers, who apparently "talk together to decide on prices" (price fixing)

and per your whisper ingame, yes, i have two computers, i actually have about 4 computers, but for about 6 months now i've only used one for vending, both purchasing and selling, so you can't say i have an advantage there, when i'm not selling, i'm buying, and vice versa

you are very much missing the point though, you are not letting me, or any other players, sell for prices they choose, you are dictating the rules and saying it's our way, or we will prevent you from selling to the public. that is my issue more than anything - you can sell your scrolls for 50s for all i care, but you should not be stopping me from selling mine for 1c if i so choose - it's my choice to decide on my purchase prices, and it's my choice to decide on my selling prices.

and fyi, to whisper someone to say "you're blocked, so don't bother replying" (which quite apart from anything is the worst fake-block sentence ever), and then continuing with your endless rant is technically abuse, as you are not allowing me to retort, and you know full well that i can't retort, as you announced it so - if you plan on talking to me, i prefer two way conversations, not dictation.

you do you thing, be happy with it, but stop preventing both me, and other players, from selling whatever they choose for whatever they choose

[bobobeer]

Bobbi, please stop being the fake "Robin Hood"? :)

When you sell T4 Eva at the price of 12s each. You make about 1s profit when you're lucky. With T4 Def its exactly the same. And you say buying Dogtooth at 1.5s ea works good? It doesnt. I've seen your store a few hours. You bought in about 5 or 6 tooths. We all know you get a lot of (free) mats. So please dont let people think that selling at 17s makes about 10s profit. Its a lie, and you know that. Im sorry I cant play all day long. I got to finish my school.. Sorry guys I gotta buy toads! Please forgive me :$$

Well, you know what's not fair? Buying with 2 or 3 or even more purchase stores at the same time! Most people (as me) just have 1 computer. Why have more? So let people play the game the way they want. Buying and reselling is called 'merchanting'. It happends in real life too. Bobbi for President? =D

I made about 1 gem profit in freakin 3 months with the scroll market. With just 1 computer..

Well, CiaoCiao~ Robin, and enjoy the game ;-D

[Pphedre]

sigh bobbi...you're blocked cause you lie about things and twist my words...im trying to prevent escalation when you reply to me with lies about what im doing.

Yes sell your scrolls as you like. There is no cartel. We are friends who just wanna make enough money to buy our lvl 95 blues.
Don't sit there making posts tho about how im ripping everyone off, when you assume im paying the same amount for mats that you are.

Yes sell your scrolls bobbi, but don't post lame threads about how you're this angle of scrolls when you are ripping off people yourself. Also, you gonna sell your scrolls for 12s in open store in uru? don't complain about who buys them and what we do with them then.

[RyaikenDune]

I'd rather be ripped off for mats than be ripped off for the scrolls that got me those mats. So Bobbi ftw then.

Kbai

[ReplicaSwordsman]

OH, GOD, BOBBI.
PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR LIST OF PRIVATE BUYERS.
Please. c: <3

Me too please.

I'm sorry but for a T3 scroll I am not paying more than 13s and a T4 more than 17s at the most. I haven't bought a single scroll over these prices in months and I am just as not prepared to do now as I was back then when I put my foot down.

[Pphedre]

Ok then every one agree only to sell to those buying mats for cheaper....Don't sell your toads to the dude buying for 3s...don't sell your SBL to the chick buying for 2.5s and certainly don't sell your tough leather to the guy buying for 600 cop. As soon as that happens...sure ill lower my scroll prices....fyi the max i ask for my scrolls is 18s and thats just def and agility which still means im only making a minimal amt profit.
problem solved?

[spookyiness]

still missing the point, but i'm guessing no amount of prodding will help you get it

[darknightofwind]

I can buy Tough Leather at 400-500c, BDT at 1s, SBL for 2s, Dang for 2s, Sap for 400c, and various other prices lower than what's listed. My scrolls are typically 10s mdef, 11s Aim, 12s Vit, 14s Def, 15s Eva, and I make a huge profit. Enough to raise about 10-20g in under a week of doing this (speed is 65s t3 and 85s t4 (and discounts available to guildies ofc). So I'm not really sure why you can't collectively lower mat prices instead of raising scroll prices o-o;
(average price for speed is nearing 80s for t3 and 100/120s for t4 e.o)

What Bobbi said is true though, eventually the vends buying at whatever higher price dc / get filled / close up shop and people sell to other stores. They may also sell to her simply because they know they'll end up with cheaper scrolls to buy as an end result.

I can't speak for other servers.. but since 110 cap Bijou's been having a price spike too.. 18-30s for T4 scrolls, 10-20s for T3s, 50s+ for T5s etc. I don't have time to do too much vending or kkping atm, so the prices stay kinda high. There was another vendor who used to sell t4/5s in AR but he seems to have poofed. :\

[spookyiness]

people can pay 2g for per sbl and dogtooth for all i care
people can sell to whomever they choose, but if someone chooses to sell to specific producers, it's only fair they should be able to buy from those producers too - if someone wants to sell me all their mats, why shouldn't they be allowed to see my scroll prices in my store without someone else buying them all out and raising the price.

buy mats at whatever price you wish, sell scrolls at whatever price you wish, just stop preventing other people from doing the same - if it takes me 3 weeks to make a stack of scrolls at my purchase prices, surely that's my problem, not yours - it doesn't, but not the point.

stop buying out stores that sell wares lower than you for the express purpose of preventing other players from seeing that there are alternatives out there.

i do get a lot of material suppliers, as well as scroll purchasers, and none of them provide me for free, i pay the same to them as i pay through my purchase store, and to them, it's a better deal - it's their choice who they sell to, it's their choice who they buy from. all i want is to be allowed to sell my wares, and to let other players sell their hard work, without the scroll/pot cartel stepping in and preventing them from selling, just remember, you're not hurting the seller, they still sell all their product and make their chosen profit, you're only hurting the end user.

[caitcouldchoke]

So let people play the game the way they want.

You can go away now. c: !

[astrex1423]

at what server do you play cause at legel
t3 scrolls are all of them from 14s to 18s

[caitcouldchoke]

Legel sucks.
This thread is posted in the Cypion forums, and anyone who dropped in from other servers stated where they're from.

[astrex1423]

is kinda empty now.. but i know that is a matter of time to increase it population and have a great gaming experience again...

dont kill my dreams

[seredh]

Saw t3 scrolls for 30 silver today. Hah!

I gave up, though. My husband makes scrolls, I make pots, and anything extra we have we'll sell for less than the norm. Why the heck not. Buy me out if you wish.

I'll make money farming gears and selling my pots to people who want to resell them, I don't care any more.

I feel for those poor souls who can't afford to scroll up when they want to grind, however.

[astrex1423]

seredh
where do u play which server???

[lovelykitty1994]

Seriously peeps, cmon u ppl call Bobbi a liar and accuse her calling u greedy who actually ARE, all you do is to think about yourselves, like Bobbi said cmon its a multiplayer game not a singleplayer one, geez i sold my T3 scrolls at 11s each and within a week i earnt like 50g, srsly 15-20s for a t3 scroll it is a ripoff, all of us dont have gems in our backpockets, be honest, all u do is think about yourself, but Bobbi, she thinks about others, she wants us all to have good time playing so i think tht u should respect her not judge her cuz she ACTUALLY DO CARE ABOUT OTHERS AND WANT US ALL TO ENJOY THE GAME!!! Why u guys dont see tht she isnt mad cuz u peeps buy her out, she does still get profit, she dsnt like it cuz u dont give other chance to play and enjoy also the game, at your ridiculous prices there are less who can play and scroll up, u say u wanna get good gears, u think others dont wanna get em good gears??? WE ALL DO, but if they have to keep buying your scrolls at such high price, they will only dream of buying em, i would still sell my t3 scrolls with 11s but sorry i deleted my decomper, but intending to cap it again and sell my cheap scrolls, cuz differently who judge Bobbi cuz of her kindness i respect her and will stay by her side. Seriously u guys who keep whinning bout Bobbi opening eyes of other people and say wht foolishness is going around, u seem like lil kiddos, no offence but if u read all this thread in other look u will understand, this game is for everyone and there are no rulers in here, its sick tht some bunch of ppl agree of scroll prices and buy out if someone sell cheaper... Like i already said, it seems really like we are back in high school, can we stop the drama and let everyone to play normally?

[bobobeer]

You can go away now. c: !

I dont get your point? o.o

[zonyy76]

Wow i feel bad for buying 20stack of scrolls from B3rry. lol
But truth is she was selling cheaper than my mat cost.
For example) T4 Eva will cost 2bdt 3sbl 3TL 1sap. that is 2*2+3*3+3*1+1=17s
yes i maxed my scroll skill long time ago and yes i used to grind hell lot of garg/bb so bdt was never in shortage and so is TL. BUT when you cap you just don't get mats. my archer and fighter is hardly getting enough mats to make scroll for my own.
And i just never open buy store so i buy BDT/TL from ppl grind bb and buy sbl from AR.. making my cost to 17s. So yes when i see ppl sell 10stacks of Eva/S.Def for 16s or Vit for 10s, I clean them out.
Do i really need scroll? Nope, i have about 50stack of scrolls.
Do I resell them? Not unless i really do need money.
And yes when i resell i sell for 20s for eva cause i think after all the trouble i go through looking for mats/making/storing/vending, i want to make at least 3s per scroll. However, there also was time I gave away 20stacks for guild raid.
BTW I've never seen you sell s.def/eva at 10s.. maybe i was too late to buy them out lol.

see 90% of the real issue steams from very poor economic logic.

the only reason people buy items at such huge cost to them selves is so that more people sell them their mats. take a SBl npc's mere 300c where the mat buyer above is buying them for 3s each which is insane. but even if he opens a buying vendor he still has to pay out 750c - 1s each because other vendors will offer more money to buy peoples mats.

this in turn makes the server economics to backflips
what we need is an economic counsel for our server to set standard prices for items such as scrolls and pots and all mats. but we dont not have enough smart people and honest people on this server to ever make this work. but it is not just pots and such it stems to gears also. Fail blues fetch a 1-2 gold price which is kinda sad. this is because of the lack or leadership in may guilds to teach there academy what to look for in gears for their said class. mostly on Cypion its all about the guild buff. How many people can say they have taken a apprentice out to teach them to use their character right. probably a handful of people do that. this makes for weak players not understanding the dynamics of the game just knowing that a blue item is kudos and buying them in droves. this makes for a very black market for all players. if we are to fix this problem it becomes a very simple solution. If you feel items like scrolls and pots are to high dont buy them and as for people buying out your stock just shout out in town your selling them and the price you have them for and have people whisper you for what they need. this takes extra time at the keyboard but will slowly curb the high pricing issue that is here.

what our guild has decided is the pool our resources all mats from guild members come to the scroll and the potter to make scrolls and pots for entire guild. we make sure aca members get a few with every lvl they get. its a nice suprise to pull 5 t3 vit or shields along with some good silver. as for pots well i make about 4000 t3s a week and we distribute them through out the guild and academy for real cheap 3s for t3s 5 for t4s this money goes back into the guild storage and helps maintain the bank for the Academy members. with in the next 2 weeks we will become completely self sustaining that all members will not have to waste money on outside items other then gears. all it takes is for everyone to send the mats to the appropriated people.

[omni.knight]

I found a kid trying to sell a dim pants +9[28end] and 56helm+9[28end] both single stats, for 48g.

Its just that the young ones aren't quite educated in the economy. Perhaps a guide is in order?

[ReplicaSwordsman]

I saw T3 scrolls in a vendor for 30s the other day. Funny how none of them were bought after 3 hours.

[RyaikenDune]

I saw T3 scrolls in a vendor for 30s the other day. Funny how none of them were bought after 3 hours.

That's what guild wars are for.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

That's what guild wars are for.

I thought Guild wars were a great show of force wallets from two guilds. Unless we are talking about warring the individual, which I couldn't as I tried and it turned out to be a non-warring Guild.

[RyaikenDune]

non-warring Guild.

Aww.
10char

[seredh]

Aww.
10char

Agreed. Is it just me, or are all the most offensive guilds non-warring these days?

[JOHNNYPOOPOOPANTS]

Agreed. Is it just me, or are all the most offensive guilds non-warring these days?

Jr. Mafia is warring but we had to move guilds seeing as harassment isn't against the ToS anymore.

[seredh]

Jr. Mafia is warring but we had to move guilds seeing as harassment isn't against the ToS anymore.

Yeah, a good war for a good reason is all fine and dandy, but the spamwars and the nub-guild-wars get tiring after a while.

At least, that's what I took "harassment" to mean. I know it harassed the heck outta me back in my days in Insanity. Didn't happen often, but there was, I dunno, two weeks of constant wars? Oy.

[JOHNNYPOOPOOPANTS]

Yeah we got a lot of that. 7x, 8x, 9x warring us constantly.

I'm focusing on farming now. I went into a pvp kq and instantly I get targetted lol. Seems like people still wanna hunt me down.

[omni.knight]

As I remember, even when they "hunt" you in pvp kq, they get their ***, pride, and lifeless bodies handed to them :P

[ihatejs12]

As I remember, even when they "hunt" you in pvp kq, they get their ***, pride, and lifeless bodies handed to them :P

Not when I'm the one hunting ;)


Jk, Eric rocks my socks.

[JOHNNYPOOPOOPANTS]

Not when I'm the one hunting ;)


Jk, Eric rocks my socks.

I'd rock more than your socks if you were a hot blonde with long legs and double D's.

:D