Battle Cleric = FAIL

[kasshan]

I started out as a Fighter so i know wht i expect from a Cleric, and was inspired by the notoriously dreadful battle cleric (i.e. "cleric that thinks he/she can fight" *rofllmfao*) to use my cleric that was intended to just be storage into something useful.

Personally imma Heal Slave, and it works out beautifully for me. I have out-leveled so many so called battle/solo clerics; ppl love to party me, quest with me, and take me to the abyss. It's not power-leveling if youre earning youre keep in a party. I started out lvl20 a month a a half ago and now im lvl65 with potential to hit 70 veeery soon. Heal Slave is the way to go, u make lotsa friends in high places, and you are a rare valuable asset to any party (if ppl dnt wna die, they remember youre name real fast ^,..,^)

so far heres my build

50END and 30SPR

Max out Heal, reduce cool time of rejuvenate, save the rest for later ie party heal at lvl85 i think, (i still hv 12 skill points i dnt knw wht to do with >:P )

and with all my trimmings from SC store i walk around with a healthy scrolled maxed rating of 1500def and 900mdef at lvl65; no charms

Guild Master of Anathema on Legel Server

LvL86 Fighter - Kasshan
LvL65 Cleric - Casshan

[syrte]

Good for you. You have now joined the epic war between heal slaves and battle clerics.

Just to warn you, this epic war will go on and on forever and neither side will ever win. That's why it's called epic.

[citcat21]

full cd/power on rejuv and heal cd on pty heals everything else is really up to u really

[angerchild]

I started out as a Fighter so i know wht i expect from a Cleric, and was inspired by the notoriously dreadful battle cleric (i.e. "cleric that thinks he/she can fight" *rofllmfao*) to use my cleric that was intended to just be storage into something useful.

Personally imma Heal Slave, and it works out beautifully for me. I have out-leveled so many so called battle/solo clerics; ppl love to party me, quest with me, and take me to the abyss. It's not power-leveling if youre earning youre keep in a party. I started out lvl20 a month a a half ago and now im lvl65 with potential to hit 70 veeery soon. Heal Slave is the way to go, u make lotsa friends in high places, and you are a rare valuable asset to any party (if ppl dnt wna die, they remember youre name real fast ^,..,^)

so far heres my build

50END and 30SPR


Max out Heal, reduce cool time of rejuvenate, save the rest for later ie party heal at lvl85 i think, (i still hv 12 skill points i dnt knw wht to do with >:P )

and with all my trimmings from SC store i walk around with a healthy scrolled maxed rating of 1500def and 900mdef at lvl65; no charms

Guild Master of Anathema on Legel Server

LvL86 Fighter - Kasshan
LvL65 Cleric - Casshan

lol...ok :rolleyes:

[hamsterfest]

I started out as a Fighter so i know wht i expect from a Cleric, and was inspired by the notoriously dreadful battle cleric (i.e. "cleric that thinks he/she can fight" *rofllmfao*) to use my cleric that was intended to just be storage into something useful.

Personally imma Heal Slave, and it works out beautifully for me. I have out-leveled so many so called battle/solo clerics; ppl love to party me, quest with me, and take me to the abyss. It's not power-leveling if youre earning youre keep in a party. I started out lvl20 a month a a half ago and now im lvl65 with potential to hit 70 veeery soon. Heal Slave is the way to go, u make lotsa friends in high places, and you are a rare valuable asset to any party (if ppl dnt wna die, they remember youre name real fast ^,..,^)

so far heres my build

50END and 30SPR

Max out Heal, reduce cool time of rejuvenate, save the rest for later ie party heal at lvl85 i think, (i still hv 12 skill points i dnt knw wht to do with >:P )

and with all my trimmings from SC store i walk around with a healthy scrolled maxed rating of 1500def and 900mdef at lvl65; no charms

Guild Master of Anathema on Legel Server

LvL86 Fighter - Kasshan
LvL65 Cleric - Casshan

Err....congratulations. Other than that, I don't get the point of this thread :confused:

[grummin]

Perhaps, just perhaps, it's not a case of "Battle Clerics = Fail" but of "Some people lack the coordination and attention span to properly act as a Battle Cleric?"

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

I laugh at battle clerics, they are so...pointless. They can support if they have good gear. If their empowerments are aimed for killing though then in my opinion they are wasting their time. In the later levels they find that out to and even with tons of SC you are still only killing one thing at a time.

Heres a fact clerics are the only class that can be useful to parties that are 1-15 levels higher. A Lv.40 cleric can heal level 60 fighters/mages/archers/anyone easy if the members do their roles. That Lv.40 cleric is getting a power level AND providing solid support for his/her party while Mr.SoloCleric is bashing and tripping one orc at a time. Who has the better set up?

[shadoweve]

kill taitans solo ftw
when you reach 9x you cant always find a party. so sometimes you have to solo.

its rather rude to laugh at battle clerics, let them do what they want. if solo is what they want to do then let them.

however i do not approve of battle clerics in a party, if they do not heal as well

[Crystal_Oracle]

I don't think battle clerics are fail. To me, it shows that clerics can do more than just stand and heal. There are some good ones out there that do a fantastic job battling and healing. I do have to agree with grum, it take a great deal of concentration and dedication to fight and heal. If they can do it, then they aren't fail.

[shun-]

i think battle cleric's and heal slave cleric's are both good...i'm a cleric i'll heal but that dosen't mean i wont fight ( :{

[hamsterfest]

I laugh at battle clerics, they are so...pointless. They can support if they have good gear. If their empowerments are aimed for killing though then in my opinion they are wasting their time. In the later levels they find that out to and even with tons of SC you are still only killing one thing at a time.

Heres a fact clerics are the only class that can be useful to parties that are 1-15 levels higher. A Lv.40 cleric can heal level 60 fighters/mages/archers/anyone easy if the members do their roles. That Lv.40 cleric is getting a power level AND providing solid support for his/her party while Mr.SoloCleric is bashing and tripping one orc at a time. Who has the better set up?

What's the point of being a full support Cleric if you can't find a party? Just a thought...:p 'Cause in all honesty, not everyone is online when you are, and not everyone wants to powerlevel a Cleric (if they did, then why am I, who keeps being told am a good Cleric, not getting showered with "OMG come here I'll plvl you!!!" constantly???) And sometimes you just don't give a *fecal matter* about healing someone else; you just want to hit things and space out (sometimes that's the only way I can enjoy this game, lmao.)

In the end, it's someone else's character. Why should anyone start judging them because they want to solo? They're not hurting anyone are they? And as long as they can function in a party when they're needed, then what the heck is the problem?

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

What's the point of being a full support Cleric if you can't find a party? Just a thought...:p 'Cause in all honesty, not everyone is online when you are, and not everyone wants to powerlevel a Cleric (if they did, then why am I, who keeps being told am a good Cleric, not getting showered with "OMG come here I'll plvl you!!!" constantly???) And sometimes you just don't give a *fecal matter* about healing someone else; you just want to hit things and space out (sometimes that's the only way I can enjoy this game, lmao.)

In the end, it's someone else's character. Why should anyone start judging them because they want to solo? They're not hurting anyone are they? And as long as they can function in a party when they're needed, then what the heck is the problem?

I stand corrected.

[miisme1]

I reeeally don't mind clerics fighting as long as they care for their pt. If someone dies off cuz the cleric is too busy dealing dmg to idk what, then you might as well invite a fighter/archer/mage instead whose purpose is to deal dmg.

[lcsjds]

so you think just sittin back and healing while letting every1 kill for you is the best way to go??? im a battle cleric who can heal as well its called muti tasking its not very hard

[Krusnik02]

Full CD on Recover and Awaken.

You also need, for 95-100, as many points as possible. You obtain two new attacks and Guards get dispell pillar (which needs full cd no matter what).

And for the love of all that is holy, go Guardian ><

I am also a heal slave! HEAL SLAVES UNITE!


so you think just sittin back and healing while letting every1 kill for you is the best way to go??? im a battle cleric who can heal as well its called muti tasking its not very hard

1. Clerics have no dmg. This is fact. They will never dmg like the other classes.
2. Try DT and 'multi-tasking'. Your party will kick you instantly.

[valio333]

BATLE CLERIC FOR LIFE
ima batle cleric and i never need help +9 gears and batle skill increesed to max i dont use heal much mostly hp pots and stones if you say why dont you become a fighter thats beacuse im a mace guy!

[aiden_lynn]

lol not meaning to bash ya or anything, but being my main is a cleric lvl 66 yes i know not uber high but back to my point, a cleric with any build can sit and heal, no matter the skill empowerment, as for my self i have half str and half end, with a full heal cd and power up, and the bash is the same.

a cleric can be a battle cleric and a heal cleric all the same, go play the robo kq then go tank a md i know ive done it. just saying you can be both if u know what your doing.

bottom line watch your party if your in a party and take care of them, if u can sneak a bash in do it.
>:D

[TariDragon]

bottom line watch your party if your in a party and take care of them, if u can sneak a bash in do it.
>:D

Yes to sneaking in bashes when it's safe to do so. >:3

Personally, I love it when a mage fears something, and it comes right toward me, and I just give it a little SMACK as it passes by. Kinda like fly swatting. XD Good fun.

[spiritua_reborn]

I've been complimented more times than I can count on my ability to keep the party alive and take on a few mobs that got out of hand at the same time. I've even tanked bosses when fighters were too scared to do it themselves. So I don't know where you're getting this idea where battle clerics are useless.

One more thing, our shields aren't just there to make us look pretty. :3

[corleone1031]

There will always be controversy in the HealBot (heal slaves) vs, the CombatMedics (battle clerics) but it all boils down to this argument, dont matter if you get farther, or level faster, or are more popular, thing is you get taken advantage of and you cant stand on your own 2 feet as a HealBot, but you get it a little easier. It doesn't matter if you can fight better than a HealBot, take on more enemies than some, or even Clank, aCombatMedic will always be frowned upon for not conforming to the noobs who want people just to heal them. As a fighter, i aint got much say except my first friend was a cleric, and half my current list of friends are clerics, and none of which like people who tell them to shut up and heal. Personally, im working on a cleri now, to try it out. But, for now, its the same thing, HealBots will always be mindless slaves, and CombatMedics will always be shunned, either way, your disrepect yourself, or you ostracize yourself. Screwed either way, so why not just enjoy it and call this kid a (Thorn) in your mind?


Sincerely, a ticked off viewer
-Nite397

[Ex.plode]

Combat clerics aren't necessarily the noobs that you see in Slime & Mara KQ that don't know how to play their class, there is a method to the madness that is battle cleric'ing...

There's a guide for it ffs lol...

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75213

[Takimi]

kill taitans solo ftw
when you reach 9x you cant always find a party. so sometimes you have to solo.

its rather rude to laugh at battle clerics, let them do what they want. if solo is what they want to do then let them.

however i do not approve of battle clerics in a party, if they do not heal as well


No kidding. One time in DT, I'm level 86 (cleric) we get a 90 cleric. She doesn't heal. She runs in the middle of a mob and starts swatting. I'm looking at her like, "Whatf...?" Then she has the gall to tell me she's a "Battle Cleric" after clearly NOT having the defense needed to do such. She died twice. Didn't even heal herself. I'm supposed to heal you? Uh no thanks. You're a cleric, heal yourself. Because you can. And I know you have the SP stones to do it.



What's the point of being a full support Cleric if you can't find a party? Just a thought...:p 'Cause in all honesty, not everyone is online when you are, and not everyone wants to powerlevel a Cleric (if they did, then why am I, who keeps being told am a good Cleric, not getting showered with "OMG come here I'll plvl youconstantly???)


HEY! I hear this too! I don't get parties either! T.T



so you think just sittin back and healing while letting every1 kill for you is the best way to go??? im a battle cleric who can heal as well its called muti tasking its not very hard


Yup. You know why? You can multitask outSIDE of Fiesta and not have to lift a finger other than to press "3" and "7" (Heal and Rejuvenate).



Full CD on Recover and Awaken.

You also need, for 95-100, as many points as possible. You obtain two new attacks and Guards get dispell pillar (which needs full cd no matter what).

And for the love of all that is holy, go Guardian ><

I am also a heal slave! HEAL SLAVES UNITE!



1. Clerics have no dmg. This is fact. They will never dmg like the other classes.
2. Try DT and 'multi-tasking'. Your party will kick you instantly.


I can actually multi-task in DT. As well as Clank. I got so sick of Clanking because of fail fighters, I said, "Screw you." to DT. I'm doing quests to hit 91, and did quests for 3/4ths of obtaining 90. Not to mention I also for some reason got all the pure Spanish/Portuguese parties. One chick was American and was openly racist to specifically English-Speaking people.



I've been complimented more times than I can count on my ability to keep the party alive and take on a few mobs that got out of hand at the same time. I've even tanked bosses when fighters were too scared to do it themselves. So I don't know where you're getting this idea where battle clerics are useless.

One more thing, our shields aren't just there to make us look pretty. :3


No they don't JUST make us pretty. They make fighters O.O when they try to hit me <3



There will always be controversy in the HealBot (heal slaves) vs, the CombatMedics (battle clerics) but it all boils down to this argument, dont matter if you get farther, or level faster, or are more popular, thing is you get taken advantage of and you cant stand on your own 2 feet as a HealBot, but you get it a little easier. It doesn't matter if you can fight better than a HealBot, take on more enemies than some, or even Clank, aCombatMedic will always be frowned upon for not conforming to the noobs who want people just to heal them. As a fighter, i aint got much say except my first friend was a cleric, and half my current list of friends are clerics, and none of which like people who tell them to shut up and heal. Personally, im working on a cleri now, to try it out. But, for now, its the same thing, HealBots will always be mindless slaves, and CombatMedics will always be shunned, either way, your disrepect yourself, or you ostracize yourself. Screwed either way, so why not just enjoy it and call this kid a (Thorn) in your mind?


Sincerely, a ticked off viewer
-Nite397


I'm really pushy about people who TELL me what to do. If that fighter tells me one more time that I'm not "healing on time," I will let you die. It's not my xp I'm worried about, I'll live. Especially since they're still alive. So what are you complaining about? Oh, like how I'm also healing the REST of the party? Yeah, there's more than just YOU.

God, tanks like that **** me off. Tanks who tell a cleric how to heal are fricken' annoying.

[fenris_bane]

I started out as a Fighter so i know wht i expect from a Cleric, and was inspired by the notoriously dreadful battle cleric (i.e. "cleric that thinks he/she can fight" *rofllmfao*) to use my cleric that was intended to just be storage into something useful.


Well, you must not know any good "battle clerics". I became a battle cleric because of failed fighters. If they try to treat me like a "heal slave" ... they might just find themselves fending for themselves when this cleric quits the party.

I have tanked from the Mini-dragon, through King Kong Phino ... Why? because I could and the fighters were unavailable or too dang squishy. Once, during the mini-dragon, a figher was incensed that I was attacking the mini-dragon and not being the kind of cleric he expected.

I have won KKP with 3 clerics, an archer and a mage. I was the tank because no one else could. I won KKP with one member of each class and could still be a back up tank and heal. I have been to Dragon Tomb ... both as a front line fighter and a rear rank healer. I've taken on magic damage dealing monsters because the fighers could not handle them as well.

So while some might ... not all of us do. So fighters burn some of them stones and pots ... my spells are recharging ... I can't heal or revive just this instant. lol

[Infestation]

ARGH!!!!!!!

Ok now that I have that out of my system. OP do you even really know what a battle cleric is? You seem to be more discussing solo clerics. A battle cleric is and always will be someone who can both fight and keep the party alive at the same time. The solo cleric that goes in a party and does nawt to help out is fail.
It is extremely easy to be attacking and healing, for example I have 3/4 as bash/bleed, all I do is press F2-5 followed by heal/rejuv then tab back to the monster. It takes a split second to heal someone and when everything dies faster that is more exp per hour.

Fact: Squishies pull a lot of aggro and usually can't take a lot of hits, hence the term.
A battle cleric who takes a few hits first and spams rejuv and awaken can keep the aggro on them and off the glass cannons at the back. You can even keep aggo on an entire group of mobs and have them chase you around in a mage aoe without them peeling off to take out the mage. So you tell me who does the better support job, a cleric attempting to keep multiple mages alive, probably with the uncharmed one getting 1 hit at some point, or the cleric that doesn't even allow the mobs to hit the mages?

And Taki I couldn't agree more about the "heal" tanks. If you don't have enough def to tank using stones and potions when a cleric is healing other people that are taking damage then guess what.... you aren't a tank.

[i.jedi]

Hmmm, i can do both heal slave AND battle cleric (more for solos when no parties are available). I think it all comes down to your play preference.

A couple of things to keep in mind when pondering the battle cleric. Once you prestige you get crit buff, 3 atk spells, and the ability to remove all buffs. Sadly though, HK's get a gimpy 'ol mace and HG's get the hammers. Lastly, one key skill that clerics are still missing (its basically our ONLY disable) is reverse order which doesn't allow a person to use SP skills for a certain period of time. Bottom line is you are the #1 support class and #4 killing class, but it is still possible.

[globule]

ARGH!!!!!!!

Ok now that I have that out of my system. OP do you even really know what a battle cleric is? You seem to be more discussing solo clerics. A battle cleric is and always will be someone who can both fight and keep the party alive at the same time. The solo cleric that goes in a party and does nawt to help out is fail.


I think the nomenclature regarding the type of clerics is not really defined.
To me [myself personnally and alone] I name them as

-> Battle cleric - essentially a solo cleric that happen to be in a party. No heals for anyone else, and the rest of the party members can die, does not bother him.

-> Support cleric - Never bash [unless his party does not do its job and he needs to to survive] and essentially only heals the party members.

-> Hybrid cleric - Fight the mobs *and* keeps the party alive, with keeping the party alive being more important [e.g. knowwhen to stop fighthing and only healing]

I guess the OP defines battle cleric as I would.

The OP's meaning however seem to match your definition of 'solo cleric' so you are probably agreeing :)

[corleone1031]

Well, all I can think of at the moment is thatthe guy who made this thread is nothing but a D-Bag who deserves no respect for thinking clerics should just be HealBots. A cleric has the right to choose their path, wheatther they want to succumb to the masses, like a HealBot, or fight AND heal those effing good for nothing pigs who call themselves players, like a CombatMedic. Im still on the side of CobatMedics, and always will. BTW, a fighter saying this really seems odd for the fact that this guys opinion was based on HealBots having better and easier times than CombatMedics, yet every cleric i know will bash a monsters head in jt as soon as hey would cast heal unto themselves, or (even though unlike most pansies out there, i dont need constant heal,i can handle myself) me. Tell ya what, spend some time on the Teva server, where clerics Clank, and fighters Tank. Appearently from what you're saying, people on Legel just don't make the cut.

Sincere and ticked, the Teva original Tank
-Nite397

[fenris_bane]

I think the nomenclature regarding the type of clerics is not really defined.
To me [myself personnally and alone] I name them as

-> Battle cleric - essentially a solo cleric that happen to be in a party. No heals for anyone else, and the rest of the party members can die, does not bother him.

-> Support cleric - Never bash [unless his party does not do its job and he needs to to survive] and essentially only heals the party members.

-> Hybrid cleric - Fight the mobs *and* keeps the party alive, with keeping the party alive being more important [e.g. knowwhen to stop fighthing and only healing]

I guess the OP defines battle cleric as I would.

The OP's meaning however seem to match your definition of 'solo cleric' so you are probably agreeing :)

I'm not so sure your idea of a "batle cleric" and that of the of the OP match. The OP seemed to be of the opinion that clerics not only shouldn't fight but can't fight. Like the fighters that say stuff like ... "Oh no! Its a clank. Stop fighting and heal me." (at 10% damage)

That being said, I actually saw a fighter in a KQ say he doesn't use pots or stones. He said it is the cleric's job to keep him alive and so he shouldn't have use them and waste his money. (hmmm ... so you want me to waste my SP pots and stone casting spells on you ... hmmm)

Then, you get 2 or 3 fighters that all want to tank at the same time against a monster with an area attack ... and expect you to heal them all and do nothing on their own. (To fighers reading ... sometimes, you must wait your turn for healing because my spells have cool down too). And, if you think I'm a "fail cleric" because I couldn't keep you alive when the monster 2 hit kills you ... lets see how long you live without me ... I'm outa this party.

[mad_hermit]

Then, you get 2 or 3 fighters that all want to tank at the same time against a monster with an area attack ... and expect you to heal them all and do nothing on their own. (To fighers reading ... sometimes, you must wait your turn for healing because my spells have cool down too). And, if you think I'm a "fail cleric" because I couldn't keep you alive when the monster 2 hit kills you ... lets see how long you live without me ... I'm outa this party.

What's worse is when most of those fighters who want to tank can easily get 1 hitted by the monster with the aoe, then you see fighters fall everywhere.

[emonicarcher]

hmm guess im one of those "mindless" clerics then, i very much enjoy heal slaving ^^ i actualy find it alot of fun, i also have a duo partner as well for when im not in instances so i guess im safe from the not getting partied thing

going guardian when i hit 100 woot :3

[joker1435]

all this just shows what type of player u. if c solo good for u ( thats what i like doing ) u just got to learn when to fight and when to heal.
healing slaves r not the greats part of the game it just shows they dont like being a cleric

[ladyxdulcina]

I'm starting to party more as I get into the higher levels (73 right now), but I still solo a lot of times, just because it's easier, and I can't always find a party.
I guess I would list myself as a 'battle' cleric, but I know the balance between healing and fighting, and understand my limits. If my tanker is not in danger of dying, then I'll help and heal while I fight. If he is in danger, then I'll sit on the side-lines and heal.
Personally, I'd go mad if the only thing I ever did was heal. :x

[amatsushinsei]

Most clerics who try to bash and heal in a party normally either completely fail and get everyone pwnt, or only do 20% of the work, when there is another cleric in the party who does 80-90% of all healing, basically supporting the whole damn party (because cleric damage is unfortunately very negligible in comparison with other classes', and therefore their "damage dealing" is equivalent to leeching). Evidently...people can't tell which clerics are slacking and trying to "deal dmg" to the mobs, and which clerics are slogging their asses off to keep the party ALIVE. I'm a self proclaimed healbot, and no, I'm not "mindless" as some people might say. "Healbot" isnt simply spam healing. It's about timing heals accurately so that you can heal manks (cuz let's face it, how many good fighter tanks exist? >.> Kudos to you if you know how to use mock/ arent ***** enough to not get into the middle of mobs which aoe, and deva ). Mages/Fighters/Archers are there to deal damage, and clerics are sort of forced to heal. Good for you if you try to bash at mobs when you're alone, or forced to solo...but if there's a +10 mage or fighter in party...Dont. There is absolutely no point, because you wont steal aggro from a good mage, and certainly wont from a fighter, unless you spam reju/awaken (Which interferes with good timing.) I agree with Takimi (I think it was that person)...because there are too many clerics out there who consider themselves pwnsauce and "battle" clerics, who go out and start bashing mobs and expect other clerics to support them, even though they're far too squishy to do anything but get themselves killed in seconds -.-, ofc, they wont heal themselves either...Why should we (sensible clerics who stand back and support) encourage weaklings to head out to the frontlines, at the same time as wasting our sp/heals (which have cooldown!) on clerics? Those heals are much better spent healing mages, archers or fighters who actually need heals, as opposed to clerics who think they're awesome enough to be able to clank but completely fail at it (80% of self proclaimed clanks.)

That said...I have no problems with clerics who solo. But if clerics are in a party, they have no business bashing mobs when it's really..not how the game is designed. Whether that's right or not is a whole other issue...but in Fiesta, that's the way it is.

Tbh...I chose cleric because it's the one class you can level fairly easily without sc, so I (personally) dont understand why anyone would equip this class, which has the worst natural dmg, with sc/ +10 weapons etc etc, to make it slightly able to deal dmg to mobs, even though it's 100x less effective than a mage/fighter/archer dealing dmg without as much sc? x_x Not intended to be offensive...I'm just a bit perplexed :3

[emonicarcher]

Most clerics who try to bash and heal in a party normally either completely fail and get everyone pwnt, or only do 20% of the work, when there is another cleric in the party who does 80-90% of all healing, basically supporting the whole damn party (because cleric damage is unfortunately very negligible in comparison with other classes', and therefore their "damage dealing" is equivalent to leeching). Evidently...people can't tell which clerics are slacking and trying to "deal dmg" to the mobs, and which clerics are slogging their asses off to keep the party ALIVE. I'm a self proclaimed healbot, and no, I'm not "mindless" as some people might say. "Healbot" isnt simply spam healing. It's about timing heals accurately so that you can heal manks (cuz let's face it, how many good fighter tanks exist? >.> Kudos to you if you know how to use mock/ arent ***** enough to not get into the middle of mobs which aoe, and deva ). Mages/Fighters/Archers are there to deal damage, and clerics are sort of forced to heal. Good for you if you try to bash at mobs when you're alone, or forced to solo...but if there's a +10 mage or fighter in party...Dont. There is absolutely no point, because you wont steal aggro from a good mage, and certainly wont from a fighter, unless you spam reju/awaken (Which interferes with good timing.) I agree with Takimi (I think it was that person)...because there are too many clerics out there who consider themselves pwnsauce and "battle" clerics, who go out and start bashing mobs and expect other clerics to support them, even though they're far too squishy to do anything but get themselves killed in seconds -.-, ofc, they wont heal themselves either...Why should we (sensible clerics who stand back and support) encourage weaklings to head out to the frontlines, at the same time as wasting our sp/heals (which have cooldown!) on clerics? Those heals are much better spent healing mages, archers or fighters who actually need heals, as opposed to clerics who think they're awesome enough to be able to clank but completely fail at it (80% of self proclaimed clanks.)

That said...I have no problems with clerics who solo. But if clerics are in a party, they have no business bashing mobs when it's really..not how the game is designed. Whether that's right or not is a whole other issue...but in Fiesta, that's the way it is.

Tbh...I chose cleric because it's the one class you can level fairly easily without sc, so I (personally) dont understand why anyone would equip this class, which has the worst natural dmg, with sc/ +10 weapons etc etc, to make it slightly able to deal dmg to mobs, even though it's 100x less effective than a mage/fighter/archer dealing dmg without as much sc? x_x Not intended to be offensive...I'm just a bit perplexed :3

i like this, put alot of my thoughts into words ^^

[aperturelaboratories]

Tbh...I chose cleric because it's the one class you can level fairly easily without sc, so I (personally) dont understand why anyone would equip this class, which has the worst natural dmg, with sc/ +10 weapons etc etc, to make it slightly able to deal dmg to mobs, even though it's 100x less effective than a mage/fighter/archer dealing dmg without as much sc? x_x Not intended to be offensive...I'm just a bit perplexed :3
Those are very valid points, but for those clerics who do like to solo and/or have a little fun in the FBZ, the SC and +10s are worthwhilte, even if only for increased personal enjoyment (which is what a game is about, no?). The difference is not all that "slight," either -- we will never have the raw power of a mage or fighter, of course, but with a good shiny weapon and a good crit rate, we can make short work of any normal mob.

[fenris_bane]

Most clerics who try to bash and heal in a party normally either completely fail and get everyone pwnt, or only do 20% of the work, when there is another cleric in the party who does 80-90% of all healing, basically supporting the whole damn party (because cleric damage is unfortunately very negligible in comparison with other classes', and therefore their "damage dealing" is equivalent to leeching). #1

Good for you if you try to bash at mobs when you're alone, or forced to solo...but if there's a +10 mage or fighter in party...Dont. There is absolutely no point, because you wont steal aggro from a good mage, and certainly wont from a fighter, unless you spam reju/awaken (Which interferes with good timing.) #2

I agree with Takimi (I think it was that person)...because there are too many clerics out there who consider themselves pwnsauce and "battle" clerics, who go out and start bashing mobs and expect other clerics to support them, even though they're far too squishy to do anything but get themselves killed in seconds -.-, ofc, they wont heal themselves either...Why should we (sensible clerics who stand back and support) encourage weaklings to head out to the frontlines, at the same time as wasting our sp/heals (which have cooldown!) on clerics? #3

Those heals are much better spent healing mages, archers or fighters who actually need heals, as opposed to clerics who think they're awesome enough to be able to clank but completely fail at it (80% of self proclaimed clanks.) #4

That said...I have no problems with clerics who solo. But if clerics are in a party, they have no business bashing mobs when it's really..not how the game is designed. Whether that's right or not is a whole other issue...but in Fiesta, that's the way it is. #5

Tbh...I chose cleric because it's the one class you can level fairly easily without sc, so I (personally) dont understand why anyone would equip this class, which has the worst natural dmg, with sc/ +10 weapons etc etc, to make it slightly able to deal dmg to mobs, even though it's 100x less effective than a mage/fighter/archer dealing dmg without as much sc? x_x Not intended to be offensive...I'm just a bit perplexed :3 #6

You really seem to not understand "Battle Clerics" or have don't have much dealing with effective combat clerics as your comments would indicate ...

First Bold ... No, we do not completedly fail or get everyone killed. I have personally been partially responsible in the success of more than one KQ. Who do you turn to when there is no other tank avaliable? ...... A combat cleric. Remember ... most no tank truely solos.

Second Bold ... Yes, there is a point. There is often times boss monster fear the tank. A combat cleric as a back up tank can get the aggro and keep the aggro and keep it until the fighter returns. This prevents the boss monster from crashing around chasing the mages and archer to everyone doom. As for "stealing aggro" ... I thought people only stole stuff they wanted ... lol ... and I have aquired aggro many times without spam healing due to a high crit rate and normal healing.

Third Bold ... If they die or won't heal ... then they can hardly be considered combat clerics. I never expect any one to heal me when I tank. If I can't keep myself alive ... I don't tank. Don't like me tanking? ... fine boot me ... I can go solo. Just don't complain when I manage to get the final hit. No, it is not leeching.

Fourth Bold ... Most combat clerics let there actions speak louder than their words. They don't sit back and argue who the "tank" should be (like it is some kind of honor) ... they just do it because the know they can. So quit typing and start fighting ... lol.

Fifth Bold ... "no business" ???? sorry ... but I reject your opinion. The game is designed to be somewhat flexible. You seem to want a caste system. I, for one, will do as I see fit and not be bound by someone's perceived idea of what is my "business".

Sixth Bold ... We do this to keep us on par with the other classes. Don't under rate a good combat cleric's ability to deal damage ... or you might be taking a dirt nap in the PVP areas.

Yes, clerics may not be the best killing machines but for all out toughness ... they are sometimes very hard to beat.

[amatsushinsei]

Ehh...I thought I emphasized on the "most" part. YOU may be a good enough combat cleric, but I'm just saying that MOST of the clerics that I have encountered fail at it. If you are as awesome as you say you are, you certainly dont represent the majority of clerics, unfortunately. And yes, I do believe that clerics have "no business" bashing in grinding parties (at least 9x onwards). Your argument focuses on battle clerics dealing with bosses, like kkp, which is fine...because yes, when fighters fail, clerics tend to clank, and I have no problem with that (when it is necessary...). However, in hardcore grinding parties (over 70% of time you spend during 9x would be in grinding parties, not kqs or farming bosses >_>) clerics should be focusing on healing to their best ability because mages are damn squishy. Ever tried healing a grinding party at Phouches in AR AND bashing at the same time? It would most likely be a failure, because phouches aoe, and even if you have high mdef, you'd have to heal yourself on top of all the other people you're supposed to be supporting, and I haven't seen any clerics be able to withstand the full blow of phouch aoe yet, uncharmed. So yes, bashing in grind parties = fail. If you succeed at that when you hit 9x, tell me and I'll be impressed ^^

And no...I don't believe in this "caste" system that you mention...It's just the way it is, not because I think so, or want it to be so, but because good manks and tanks think so...All clerics who are considered great at healing, maybe even clanking (only at lower levels, though), concentrate on healing alone. By calling this simple arrangement akin to a "caste" system, you are implying that us healbots are inferior to battle clerics...which i can guarantee you, practically, isn't true. Maybe if more clerics like you existed, to clank bosses n whatnot, then that balance would shift. But atm, full support clerics tend to make their party succeed better than clerics who try to help by dealing damage.

Lol and as for pvp...Unless you're amazingly godly...Clerics who build themselves to have pwnsauce dmg tend to have failsauce def...So actually...building yourself bricky and buff for supporting makes u less susceptible to "dirt naps" as you put it...I'm speaking from experience. Sure, non +10, end built clerics wont be able to kill, but NOT having that def and mdef in pvp kq will just get you pwnt before you can use your awesome weapons/ STR to deal damage.

[corleone1031]

Most clerics who try to bash and heal in a party normally either completely fail and get everyone pwnt, or only do 20% of the work, when there is another cleric in the party who does 80-90% of all healing, basically supporting the whole damn party (because cleric damage is unfortunately very negligible in comparison with other classes', and therefore their "damage dealing" is equivalent to leeching). Evidently...people can't tell which clerics are slacking and trying to "deal dmg" to the mobs, and which clerics are slogging their asses off to keep the party ALIVE. I'm a self proclaimed healbot, and no, I'm not "mindless" as some people might say. "Healbot" isnt simply spam healing. It's about timing heals accurately so that you can heal manks (cuz let's face it, how many good fighter tanks exist? >.> Kudos to you if you know how to use mock/ arent ***** enough to not get into the middle of mobs which aoe, and deva ). Mages/Fighters/Archers are there to deal damage, and clerics are sort of forced to heal. Good for you if you try to bash at mobs when you're alone, or forced to solo...but if there's a +10 mage or fighter in party...Dont. There is absolutely no point, because you wont steal aggro from a good mage, and certainly wont from a fighter, unless you spam reju/awaken (Which interferes with good timing.) I agree with Takimi (I think it was that person)...because there are too many clerics out there who consider themselves pwnsauce and "battle" clerics, who go out and start bashing mobs and expect other clerics to support them, even though they're far too squishy to do anything but get themselves killed in seconds -.-, ofc, they wont heal themselves either...Why should we (sensible clerics who stand back and support) encourage weaklings to head out to the frontlines, at the same time as wasting our sp/heals (which have cooldown!) on clerics? Those heals are much better spent healing mages, archers or fighters who actually need heals, as opposed to clerics who think they're awesome enough to be able to clank but completely fail at it (80% of self proclaimed clanks.)

That said...I have no problems with clerics who solo. But if clerics are in a party, they have no business bashing mobs when it's really..not how the game is designed. Whether that's right or not is a whole other issue...but in Fiesta, that's the way it is.

Tbh...I chose cleric because it's the one class you can level fairly easily without sc, so I (personally) dont understand why anyone would equip this class, which has the worst natural dmg, with sc/ +10 weapons etc etc, to make it slightly able to deal dmg to mobs, even though it's 100x less effective than a mage/fighter/archer dealing dmg without as much sc? x_x Not intended to be offensive...I'm just a bit perplexed :3



Woman, who the hell do you think you are? You BS clerics from epith know NOTHING of a real tank. Go to teva, make a cleric there, and THEN tell me those fail, frial, weak as hell good for nothing damage dealing wuss bags are ANY good as a fighter at tanking. You say "kudo's" if we can mock? I dont know what your drinking, but it must be Hornito's, because that stuff is strong. Fighters on Teva not only Mock, we also use that level 9 skill most of the fails on your server know nothing baout. Yeah, i'm talking about snear kick, you know? That thing that only fail fighters ignore. The kinda fighters that reside on Epith. God i swear, people from other servers think fighters suck because of THEIR servers. Spend a few days in Teva woman, and you'll eat those words. Now, back to CombatMedics and HealBots. Tell me one thing, if you got stcuk in the top floor of the Crystal Castle and had to face the boss suited around M.Def and M.Dmg, would you rather be a Medic or a Bot? Cause i sure as hell ain't ever seen a HealBot solo the Jewel Golem like my friend did, AT LEVEL 62! Freaking HealBot would've stood no chance, or if they did, it woulda taken them a helluva lot longer than the 15 minutes it ook my friend. Tch, typical, looks for the easy way up, and you criticize those who work for their levels. God, fails like you should be erased from that server.

[amatsushinsei]

Well I said I was talking about my own experience in this game....and yes, I am aware that Teva is a superior server, in fact I've thought of moving -.- So don't take offense for my insulting fighters on my own server >_>" The best fighter I know actually came from teva to join his brother in epith... And again, I tend to talk about the majority x.x Judging by the way you talk about the game (u use kick!), I know you know how to play properly so don't be so irascible >_<"

And what do you mean by my having taken the easy way up? =.= I soloed most of the time from 1-70 pretty much, on an end built cleric, because I was forced to, and i know how hard THAT is. And I don't really understand the point of your comparison between a Healbot and a CombatMedic in terms of soloing bricky bosses. Yeah, Healbots would take ages to kill a boss (because of their build), but that doesn't make them worse as clerics (all round), than medics. Either way..both clerics would be able to kill the boss. >_>"

So in conclusion, the general agreement is that combatmedics are good for soloing bosses due to their superior damage? Is that it? What about actual leveling? >.> I'm sure you know about the hours of grinding that are done in 9x. Do you think any sane mank would party a cleric who bashed mobs most of the time?

[coldstone]

After starting an experiment that has spanned the entire time fiesta has been open i have a few things to say. one neither class fails because they are enjoyment valued. but one class serves a purpose that its naturally inclined to. that of healing, the other type shows two things. one its not impossible for a cleric to go out and solo/farm and two and i say IF here they are in a party they can heal as well as the other. i do not recommend trying to mix healing with bashing, but how ever you wish to play it and can get away with, is your choice. ( personally i have mixed the two on harder bosses with a good tank) i feel that in my opinion on the matter it is possible to choose and be happy or if need be build something that allows you a bit of leeway.
Shi_B_A_Desh experiment No. 10/10 DEX/END/STR LVL 90 Researching...
"Drama and Issues are my followers"

[fenris_bane]

Ehh...I thought I emphasized on the "most" part. YOU may be a good enough combat cleric, but I'm just saying that MOST of the clerics that I have encountered fail at it. If you are as awesome as you say you are, you certainly dont represent the majority of clerics, unfortunately. And yes, I do believe that clerics have "no business" bashing in grinding parties (at least 9x onwards). Your argument focuses on battle clerics dealing with bosses, like kkp, which is fine...because yes, when fighters fail, clerics tend to clank, and I have no problem with that (when it is necessary...). However, in hardcore grinding parties (over 70% of time you spend during 9x would be in grinding parties, not kqs or farming bosses >_>) clerics should be focusing on healing to their best ability because mages are damn squishy. Ever tried healing a grinding party at Phouches in AR AND bashing at the same time? It would most likely be a failure, because phouches aoe, and even if you have high mdef, you'd have to heal yourself on top of all the other people you're supposed to be supporting, and I haven't seen any clerics be able to withstand the full blow of phouch aoe yet, uncharmed. So yes, bashing in grind parties = fail. If you succeed at that when you hit 9x, tell me and I'll be impressed ^^

And no...I don't believe in this "caste" system that you mention...It's just the way it is, not because I think so, or want it to be so, but because good manks and tanks think so...All clerics who are considered great at healing, maybe even clanking (only at lower levels, though), concentrate on healing alone. By calling this simple arrangement akin to a "caste" system, you are implying that us healbots are inferior to battle clerics...which i can guarantee you, practically, isn't true. Maybe if more clerics like you existed, to clank bosses n whatnot, then that balance would shift. But atm, full support clerics tend to make their party succeed better than clerics who try to help by dealing damage.

Lol and as for pvp...Unless you're amazingly godly...Clerics who build themselves to have pwnsauce dmg tend to have failsauce def...So actually...building yourself bricky and buff for supporting makes u less susceptible to "dirt naps" as you put it...I'm speaking from experience. Sure, non +10, end built clerics wont be able to kill, but NOT having that def and mdef in pvp kq will just get you pwnt before you can use your awesome weapons/ STR to deal damage.

Point #1. You need to get a broard experience. I know many a fine combat cleric on Bijou and only saw failed clerics below lvl 40. I've seen people shout out looking for "cleric tanks" to help with Dragon Tomb before the upgrading of the flame walkers which are now death to everyone if they hit you. I'd say that on Bijou ... it may be 25%/75% combat to support clerics. (p.s. I'm LVL 84 ... so should be to 90 soon and clericing is much easier than at LVL 40)

Point #2. And while I have yet to do any grinding at AR ... I did spent quite a lot of time grinding Guardian Masters (a lvl 90 elite monster) at BR at lvl 69 both with parties and solo. I have also sent time in flaming mine party grinding Gold Knights. And it has got much more easy to bash and heal as I've leveled due to the area healing spells that don't require lock on targeting to be effective.

Point #3. It is you that seem to have a problem with combat clerics because they don't fit into you pre-concieved notion of what we are and what we "should" be doing. I don't tell healbots play their clerics ... I'll be danged if them tell me how to play my cleric.

Point #4. My build is basically flat. I don't subscribe to the full end cleric and other all or nothing builds. I am also very picky about my armor and weapons ... no blues ... but high + stat greens. The well rounded approach has served me well. No, I don't have the highest strength nor endurance, but I got enough of that , plus dex and spr to frustrate oponents.

I love it when a fighter curses my dex because he is having trouble landing a hit me ... lol

[coldstone]

Indeed, we have proved clerics to be quite versatile in any situation but then again now we know why they have suffered so often and so thoroughly through the game maybe not as bad as archers but technically we have had our spells nerfed (heal being slowed down recently) to our defense and attacks removed. but as an overall class we continue to find ways to play creatively. this is a plus on the side of clerics as well as maintaining our well rounded def/mdef the cleric class is the most stable of all the classes in comparison to another for def and mdef, damage they are the lowest i say that with a straight face and three years worth of experiments to back it up. that is why in choosing to create a nearly straight solo cleric you may be in for a challenge and certainly lots of sleepless nights trying to get that 30m more you need to lvl (esp if your tevaless)
Shibadesh Experiment number 10 lvl 90
Drama and Issues are my followers.

[shawnpm810]

Shocking. My main character is a 95 Solo hybrid.

I refuse to conform to the rest of the Bijou's server "Guide to a Perfect Cleric".
I do just fine with my build, and have no issue farming boss and elite monsters, although it is a challenge and proves to be a hassle when you have people come up to you and mock or aoe on your boss monster because...

A) Your a solo cleric
B) You dont deal "enough" damage
C) You take longer to kill off the boss
D) All of the above

Which is the answer?
Its a no brainer...D is the correct answer.

My stats are 45 str 5 dex 45 end 15 spr
My gears focus on ALOT of DEX for one main purpose, I dont want to be hit. If I do receive a hit, I have the END on gears to make up for the lack of defense a Fighter would have. I have a JACK load of STR and SPR in my gear as well considering I dont like taking a beating from Magic based attacks, More SP, Better critical rate (with the 15 pts to free stat).

So, you think this build is a fail? *Coughs* try it out and dont knock it.
My Cap stats at 105 should be (BEFORE CLASS CHANGE) 50 str 50 end 5 dex 15 spr
If I choose to put the remaining 10 points to SPR from 95 - 105 5% total extra crit *YAY*

Or, i could put them to DEX for more evasion and aim, since I do use a hammer ^_^
Oh the possibilities. Try it out, you wont regret this build. Suits me well and I dont have to rely on "Godly Parties" and be a heal slave...move on to a Full END cleric if you want a heal slave -_-

[Dthugtherealist]

One thing I will say is that if you can be a battle cleric and effectively help out your Pt. when you need too at the same time then go for it. If you can't just be pure support being a pure support Cleric is not fail either like my wife she can support up to 4 mages in a full Pt. takes lots of concentration. When it comes to AR/ToS pts. or the crazy instances like LN/SL you won't have the time to be bashing no matter how much you would like too. Course as a Battle Cleric just like a DD Fighter you gotta know when to be on the full support side or dmg side.

[librachan]

Lol and as for pvp...Unless you're amazingly godly...Clerics who build themselves to have pwnsauce dmg tend to have failsauce def...So actually...building yourself bricky and buff for supporting makes u less susceptible to "dirt naps" as you put it...I'm speaking from experience. Sure, non +10, end built clerics wont be able to kill, but NOT having that def and mdef in pvp kq will just get you pwnt before you can use your awesome weapons/ STR to deal damage.

That is not true.
A full END cleric only has 6x more def than a full STR. The biggest difference is given by 7.5% block rate and the additional HP. As a result, the most def is given by the gears.
I performed a little research among clerics of around my level because I always assumed that, being an STR build cleric my defense was poorer in comparison to END based ones. I was surprised when I saw that full end clerics had around my same def (the one who surpassed me had 100 more def only), and that clerics without END in build had also around the same def than me (I got 50 end in build). And yes, I am very picky with gears.
We did also an experiment with a warlock/glad friend. I ended up being the hardest cleric to kill (out of 3), and unlike the others, I was able to counter attack and kill the mage.
PVP, unlike PVE, is about experience, tactics, and strategy. Of course, having a godly def/eva/mdef makes a considerable difference, but if you lack the first three things, your def is easily broken by a Gladiator or a Warlock and their outrageous damages.

However, I feel the need to say that when healing time comes, I do agree that it is healing time. 9x grinding parties require healing clerics, since if you do a 4 BB party, for example, the bashing damage a cleric can do to 1 of those 4x BBs is pointless, while the healed HP on the mage makes a huge difference to make it through the pull.
Yes, I have tanked bosses, specially when duoing with mages. My dmg allows me to keep aggro, together with heals. I have soloed DT and dungeons too. But in parties, I am a cleric, the only class who heals, so i heal. The bashing ingredient of my gameplay becomes important when soloing or in PVP, outside of that, I agree all clerics must become healers and empowerers only.

[librachan]

I have a JACK load of STR and SPR in my gear as well considering I dont like taking a beating from Magic based attacks, More SP, Better critical rate (with the 15 pts to free stat).

Just a little detail, SPR in gears does not increase Crit Rate. Only SPR in build does. I felt like telling you that since you are still evaluating where to put the additional points you will earn while capping. If you want more crit, SPR it is, since the SPR in gears does not contribute to your critical rate.

Double post >.< My bad.

[fenris_bane]

Just a little detail, SPR in gears does not increase Crit Rate. Only SPR in build does. I felt like telling you that since you are still evaluating where to put the additional points you will earn while capping. If you want more crit, SPR it is, since the SPR in gears does not contribute to your critical rate.

Double post >.< My bad.

That is nice to know, but any idea of why it doesn't? Is it a glitch? The spirit on gears does give more sp so why not increase if crit rate?

Spark Cash gear noticably increases crits.

[Dthugtherealist]

It doesn't cuz thats how its designed Spr in gears is 5sp and 1mdef.

[librachan]

That is nice to know, but any idea of why it doesn't? Is it a glitch? The spirit on gears does give more sp so why not increase if crit rate?

Spark Cash gear noticably increases crits.

No it is not a glitch. It just doesn't. At that point, SPR works like END. While END in build increases not only def but also HP and Block rate, END in gears only increass HP and DEF.
Same with SPR: in build it increases mdef, SP, and Crit Rate; while in gears, only mdef and SP.

I'm guessing that Block Rate and Crit Rate are results of 'building' your character, instead of just 'gearing' your character up. If you think of it this way, Someone who builds up END is mostly a defensive character who understands that the power of END in build is not really the additional def but the HP and the block rate, and sacrifices the power of DMG in build to potentiate his/her abilities to survive. The same happens with SPR, I'm guessing: you sacrifice some points that you could put in some other stats to increase your ability to critically hit a target. It is a sacrifice that you do only, if you really have a purpose of building your character like that.

[corleone1031]

When did this all get so off topic? I thought the point of this forum post was to bash on the fail who made it. To be honest, I myself have been experimenting with a cleric, and my experince as a fighter makes solo'ing quite simple. As for healing, I can balnce it nicely just by keeping tabs on my partner(s) health at the left. (Not really related but) as a sidenote, to those who ask me for buffs, it's funny as hell to tell them no. Tell them to "use propoer grammer please" or "if we arent worth you typing properly, you aren't worth the buff", just funny as hell when they call you a noob for that and start spamming. Block, Ignore, whatever you call it, greatest invention in Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO) Gaming history. Ciao
Grazzie Mille, a Teva Original
~Nite397

[shawnpm810]

Just a little detail, SPR in gears does not increase Crit Rate. Only SPR in build does. I felt like telling you that since you are still evaluating where to put the additional points you will earn while capping. If you want more crit, SPR it is, since the SPR in gears does not contribute to your critical rate.

Double post >.< My bad.

NO KIDDING! Read my post again...
I swear some of you out there on Bijou think im a total noob. Clearly, im not for one reason...I dont conform to your "standards" for being a cleric.

I know what SPR does on gears, I know what the free stats do for ANY character. Only way to get a smexy critical rate is to have a pair of set boots with critical, critical on your weapon, lic complete, free stats, and ofc SC critical suits. *narfs*

But being a battle-ready cleric...I find myself requiring DEX as a major part of my build since I DO NOT like to rely on parties to farm for what I need or want. Love mobbing in TM and SoD and just sitting there watching ppl pass me by or stop dead in there tracks and ask if I need help. If END gears weren't so expensive, I would be the perfect battle cleric.

Finding said peices of equipment have become near impossible since the recent up-rise in players farming for "Better Blues". If you have some blues you already bought, why are you wasting your time in TM farming the caimen when you could make triple the money mobbing TM mobs and selling the mats you dont need? Who knows...

My point is this, being the build that I am, I have the versitility to withstand a beating, a swarm of a vicious mob, and in pvp kq...I dont get hit as much by glads or archers with the eva I have as a cleric. Mages hate me since my M.Def is well...godly. LOL almost 2k in a full pt with my buffs :D

[librachan]

NO KIDDING! Read my post again...
I swear some of you out there on Bijou think im a total noob. Clearly, im not for one reason...I dont conform to your "standards" for being a cleric.

I never questioned the rest of your post. In fact, no idea why you think you don't conform to my 'standards', if you don't really know what my standards are. You think I consider you a noob, and to be honest, I think I talked to you once in my entire Fiesta time... You are assuming I replied just because 'oh it's this guy! let's put him down!' and I'm sorry but that is not my style.

The only thing I highlighted (and the only reason I did was because you said you were unsure were to put your next free stat points to), is that you mentioned...


I have a JACK load of STR and SPR in my gear as well considering I dont like taking a beating from Magic based attacks, More SP, Better critical rate (with the 15 pts to free stat).

...above that SPR adds more critical (I marked it in red in your quote): you mention benefits of having spr in gears ('I have a jack load of spr... more sp, better critical rate (with the 15 pts to free stat)'), and you included critical in there. If you knew this and you didn't mean to put it, if it was an honest mistake, a typo or whatever, that is another thing... But I did read your post, since I don't reply to posts I don't read.

[shirokaji]

I don't think battle clerics are fail. To me, it shows that clerics can do more than just stand and heal. There are some good ones out there that do a fantastic job battling and healing. I do have to agree with grum, it take a great deal of concentration and dedication to fight and heal. If they can do it, then they aren't fail.
True, clerics can run and heal too, and if they do it properly they can moon walk.

[leviannon]

True, clerics can run and heal too, and if they do it properly they can moon walk.

If, maybe, eventually >_> fact is most clerics cant even heal properly, so they definetly shouldnt fight. Dont misunderstand me o.o Battle clerics aren't a fail, but our job is primary to heal, secondary to battle.

[librachan]

our job is primary to heal, secondary to battle.

It depends on what the context is. Remember Obi-wan's words: 'only a Sith deals with absolutes'. (That last was a joke, but yeah, everything changes according to the context)

[Neoninja7790]

I think that battle clerics are definitely not fail. But you guys do have some very good points. Generally with my cleric I tend to solo 90% of the time and that's the way I built him to go out in to the fields and kill junk, and you know what he is good at what he does. On the other hand the 10% of the time that I am in a party (baring the that parties where I am the highest level) I end up being a heal bot not because I can't bash stuff to death; well keeping a party alive but simply because I don't want to think about any thing but keeping my party alive. It's putting your parties needs above your own i guess you could say.

The point of the game is to have fun so if some people want to solo then let them solo, but if your a cleric and you join a party then make sure your job as a cleric comes first. That mean keeping every one alive you shouldn't ever have to use the revive button if you do then take the hint and pull off the mobs and pay attention to the party.

[leviannon]

It depends on what the context is. Remember Obi-wan's words: 'only a Sith deals with absolutes'. (That last was a joke, but yeah, everything changes according to the context)

Sure it does ;) If im in a pt with a fighter and two other clerics, im going to clank by myself. But if you're the only cleric, you really shouldn't deal damage by yourself.

[corleone1031]

Ehh, cleric can fight, or cower if they want. I usually duo with a CombatMedic, and guess what? The odd part is I NEVER DIE. Guess why? Unlike what the hippie who wrote this thread was thinking, CombatMedics CAN fight and heal. Then again, I got $10 saying this guy aint on Teva server, so he sure as hell aint seen any good CombatMdics.

[mr.dizuki]

Ok I've tried almost all the classes up till level 23 and the cleric was the only one i wanted to stick with, he's now level 29, and if the server didn't go down i would of been 30. I like being a cleric because because i can be a combat medic. Its great i can fight on the front lines and pull back if things get to heavy and heal and if i fail at healing theres a magic button on my keybord that allows me to revive the dead. If the line breaks i don't need to run away in panic becuase i can smack the enemy over there head with my hammer and all is good, i use a few T1 scrolls i make by my self to boost my efectiveness and all is well. I've had very few complaints from my parties, infact i've gotten alot of compliments on my healing skills. I've had a few mishaps like when i forgot to buy cure, but we still won the KQ because i pulled a heal slave. I think combat medics are a much better choice for how versitile they can be.

[coldstone]

i think if you can't play a game how ever you so wish and not be criticized for choosing to go your own way in a game then you've no business trying to have fun on a game, having built every type of cleric imaginable leveled and checked stats in a 3yr nearly completed experiment on clerics i have this to say, clerics need to stop worrying so much about what they can't do and focus on their innate abilities those that you give yourself basically be it full end full str or mixed stats and they also need to start reminding people that the game gives you stones and pots and if they wanna start whining about what is fail then they need to start using some hp stones to help out, a cleric cannot be everywhere at once and if i wanna smack a monster once or twice while throwing out an aoe heal that is the business of the cleric god knows if i get stunned we are all in trouble. if a tank fails because they didn't stone to hold off death meh. sorry to say that sounds like the tanks failure there. its not the place of a cleric to be standing around healing every single second cuse that just gets boring as hell i know i've done it for many a year under alot of circumstances yes i realize that you should be able to keep the entire party up i also realize that the character comes with hp items to help them get along while i'm other wise occupied.

[corleone1031]

^----- WEWT for epic players! And in other news, the bodies of seeveral Healbots have been found near monsters of the same level. The coroners report states the clerics mace's were barely used, being unable to urt the enemy. The clerics all got owned due to a lack of fighting ability. Once again, this proves, Healbots sucks. I'm Nite397, signing off.

[TheREALArcherEric]

Get back to work, (heal) slave!
~Cracks whip~

[haseoyamazaki]

well, having played a cleric in over 100+ different games, I've found that it best to be a balanced character, who can both actively heal slave, and hold their own in combat should the need arise. Often I find myself soloing due to people either being offline over I'm crowded with noobs and spam bots that never shut-up.
yes I do keep my heal slave setup as the main setup but I've managed to tweak it so my combat ratio is a general 20 seconds at most.

[pretresse_shiva]

Any 'battle' cleric can be a heal slave ... but Heal slaves can't always be good at soloing/damage dealing ... Since clerics have good base stats, the end build isn't really usefull (but in pvp pties) ... to be a good cleric u have to know how to be a healbot... i made a lot of lab pties at lv10x and when i'm the only cleric, ofc i won't go into battle and try to deal dmg, but if there is another cleric in pty then imma be a battle cleric and i will deal more dmg than a knight !
Please don't tell to battle clerics they are fail before knowing how they are acting in pties... there is no war between 'battle' or 'healing' cleric ... both can enjoy the game and be good person/player.

[i.jedi]

Any 'battle' cleric can be a heal slave ... but Heal slaves can't always be good at soloing/damage dealing ... Since clerics have good base stats, the end build isn't really usefull (but in pvp pties) ... to be a good cleric u have to know how to be a healbot... i made a lot of lab pties at lv10x and when i'm the only cleric, ofc i won't go into battle and try to deal dmg, but if there is another cleric in pty then imma be a battle cleric and i will deal more dmg than a knight !
Please don't tell to battle clerics they are fail before knowing how they are acting in pties... there is no war between 'battle' or 'healing' cleric ... both can enjoy the game and be good person/player.

That's the bottom line. Shiva's a pro solo. :D

[yamimi]

i agree with you on being a Healbot. (Healslave is such a demeaning word...)

I started as a cleric and it's my highest lvled character already at lvl 71 in 2 days from 69. I personally LOVE partying with people & try not to do my own quests without one. It's too hard on your own anyway if you're built to be a healbot & then have to fight something..it just doesn't work. Stay as the healer and you go far with parties, friends, and levels :D

[rexxarhunter]

Healing cleric have no dignity, go ahead, be someone's slave while i laugh at you. : D

[mianhae]

Healing cleric have no dignity, go ahead, be someone's slave while i laugh at you. : D

go ahead, laugh as your tank dies, then you die shortly after. : D


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on topic
I myself am a proud heal slave, but being a battle cleric isn't anything negative.
as long as the cleric knows when to heal and when to fight, I see no problem with battle clerics

[ambercollette]

The awesome thing about being a cleric is, when you've become somewhat decent at playing the game, you can do both! Fight and heal! Multi-tasking *gasp!*

lol :P

[AVTXL386]

Perhaps, just perhaps, it's not a case of "Battle Clerics = Fail" but of "Some people lack the coordination and attention span to properly act as a Battle Cleric?"

that is EXACTLY it. normally im a solo cleric, except lately Ive found myself in partys a lot. ._. ive been a 99% successful battle cleric (everyone makes mistakes) but the key is to keep priority on the party and battle if you're certain that everyone is safe.

[hiro9]

I started out as a Fighter so i know wht i expect from a Cleric, and was inspired by the notoriously dreadful battle cleric (i.e. "cleric that thinks he/she can fight" *rofllmfao*) to use my cleric that was intended to just be storage into something useful.

Personally imma Heal Slave, and it works out beautifully for me. I have out-leveled so many so called battle/solo clerics; ppl love to party me, quest with me, and take me to the abyss. It's not power-leveling if youre earning youre keep in a party. I started out lvl20 a month a a half ago and now im lvl65 with potential to hit 70 veeery soon. Heal Slave is the way to go, u make lotsa friends in high places, and you are a rare valuable asset to any party (if ppl dnt wna die, they remember youre name real fast ^,..,^)

so far heres my build

50END and 30SPR

Max out Heal, reduce cool time of rejuvenate, save the rest for later ie party heal at lvl85 i think, (i still hv 12 skill points i dnt knw wht to do with >:P )

and with all my trimmings from SC store i walk around with a healthy scrolled maxed rating of 1500def and 900mdef at lvl65; no charms

Guild Master of Anathema on Legel Server

LvL86 Fighter - Kasshan
LvL65 Cleric - Casshan

dont mean to purge your mojo but...anything higher then +25 spr fails >_>

[obson90]

I started out as a Fighter so i know wht i expect from a Cleric, and was inspired by the notoriously dreadful battle cleric (i.e. "cleric that thinks he/she can fight" *rofllmfao*) to use my cleric that was intended to just be storage into something useful.

Personally imma Heal Slave, and it works out beautifully for me. I have out-leveled so many so called battle/solo clerics; ppl love to party me, quest with me, and take me to the abyss. It's not power-leveling if youre earning youre keep in a party. I started out lvl20 a month a a half ago and now im lvl65 with potential to hit 70 veeery soon. Heal Slave is the way to go, u make lotsa friends in high places, and you are a rare valuable asset to any party (if ppl dnt wna die, they remember youre name real fast ^,..,^)

so far heres my build

50END and 30SPR

Max out Heal, reduce cool time of rejuvenate, save the rest for later ie party heal at lvl85 i think, (i still hv 12 skill points i dnt knw wht to do with >:P )

and with all my trimmings from SC store i walk around with a healthy scrolled maxed rating of 1500def and 900mdef at lvl65; no charms

Guild Master of Anathema on Legel Server

LvL86 Fighter - Kasshan
LvL65 Cleric - Casshan

I love you :D
finally someone gets that battle clerics suck speaking from a pvpers point of view,
I can kill a so called battle cleric with my eyes closed(even if they used protect lol) and yet i cant make much of a scratch on a heal slave :/

[shadoweve]

sorry but soloing is necessary sometimes. don't hate on the battle clerics, let them play how they want

edit: i plan to switch from full end to full str >:, full end is boring now.

[oeternalairo]

I don't really complain when I have a cleric in party who tanks/battles.
Just that I would lure less, kill slower and auto attack ftw.

[Ex.plode]

Full end or a high end build ftw, other than that... I don't care if a cleric attacks mobs (as long as its a correct time to do so)

[ontslaan]

Clerics aren't the servant class of fiesta, and I think a lot of people think this is true. As an ex-9x cleric myself, I can say with the utmost confidence that Healing exclusively is a BORING job. Other then a tough Dungeon/Mob pulled, a healbot lifestyle gets monotonous after like... 90 or so levels. Granted, not everyone can multi task enough to be able to help attack, but making fun of a game play option for a very monotonous class is.... ugh.

If smacking a mob and healing at the same time was more interesting and kept you alert, do it. Would you rather have an engaged cleric in your party, or one half asleep from pressing one or two keys the whole time?

As for myself, I was a heal bot for the 90 levels of my cleric's life. It was fun until 7x-8x, when you realize that the only new skills you have are healing... D:

[fenris_bane]

I love you :D
finally someone gets that battle clerics suck speaking from a pvpers point of view,
I can kill a so called battle cleric with my eyes closed(even if they used protect lol) and yet i cant make much of a scratch on a heal slave :/

Finally someone agrees with me about clerics being bad for PVP. And I'm sure you also love the tiny damage those heal slaves do to you. lol.

However, Battle Clerics are not exclusively PVP clerics .... they are also solo clerics and PVE clerics.

[ontslaan]

Finally someone agrees with me about clerics being bad for PVP. And I'm sure you also love the tiny damage those heal slaves do to you. lol.

However, Battle Clerics are not exclusively PVP clerics .... they are also solo clerics and PVE clerics.


Cleric's aren't face-roll good at pvp like fighters and power/trigger happy like mages, but I have seen some clerics tear apart pvp before. I personally think archers are worse at pvp then clerics, and clerics can keep themselves alive much, much longer. Throw in a +9/+10 shield and mace, and I'd watch out, personally. especially if the cleric is built for pvp. It takes greater skill to kill with a class labeled as heal-slaves and pve-only then a fighter or mage. And I'm not speaking of Bash-happy clerics, either.

[LongshotFoxx]

How would a PvP cleric win a fight though? Just outlast the opponent and make em use up all their stones?

[oeternalairo]

How would a PvP cleric win a fight though? Just outlast the opponent and make em use up all their stones?

You got it, buddy.

[fenris_bane]

How would a PvP cleric win a fight though? Just outlast the opponent and make em use up all their stones?

According to some posters here ... the feel if the cleric doesn't die ... then the cleric wins. lol

I try to tell them that is a draw ... a tie .... but ... whatever ....

[thexlllwarrior]

Ehh, cleric can fight, or cower if they want. I usually duo with a CombatMedic, and guess what? The odd part is I NEVER DIE. Guess why? Unlike what the hippie who wrote this thread was thinking, CombatMedics CAN fight and heal. Then again, I got $10 saying this guy aint on Teva server, so he sure as hell aint seen any good CombatMdics.
You don't need to be on Teva server to be good there is good players in all the servers and there is noobs in all servers too, personally i can keep my party alive while i bash cause im good on every class and everything i do.
And there is noob clerics in teva too, as in any other server.
Heal first of course.
Bye

[Lord.zip]

im just saying theres a 66 paladin that can smash up fully+9 fighters in epith named sargent daniel, fight him then say how fail clerics are....he was also top ranked in kp but sadly to his computer laggn badly he dont play much

[thexlllwarrior]

i know that guy called daniel too he has armors with godly stats thats why he can face any fighter +9ed this game is mostly about gears and sc not skill.

[ontslaan]

If you have to outlast the opponent's stones, then they cannot heal the damage you deal. They either give up and run, or just go till you kill them. Either way, the cleric would win.

[AVTXL386]

I love you :D
finally someone gets that battle clerics suck speaking from a pvpers point of view,
I can kill a so called battle cleric with my eyes closed(even if they used protect lol) and yet i cant make much of a scratch on a heal slave :/

I challenge you to a duel!
P.S. Imma outstone you with my heals so give up now :P

[shadoweve]

get a might set, and glory set/strike set to increase bash. wait till the little mage is in sunset. then give them a big WACK on the head with bash, i tend to 1 hit 9x mages. but meh..

i once killed a glad, wish i had a vid of it....*planning on making first cleric pvp video*

but yeah, if clerics had a stun, or something to keep being standing still....we would have no problem killing >>

[fenris_bane]

if clerics had a stun, or something to keep being standing still....we would have no problem killing >>

Agree ... Fighters and Mages have too many debufs against which clerics have no counter nor debuffs of our own to give us an advantage. Archers have poison, plague and bleeding ... but clerics can cure all of them. But, we can't stop archers from running like fighters and mages can.