LvL 100 Battles

[kasshan]

so i got a lvl86 fighter, with some pretty good gears; mages around my lvl spank me and make me look like a noob. But i wna know if later Gladiators finally get the edge back enuff to beat mages to a pulp like we used to back in the day. Gawd i hate Fear and increased casting time skills mages have, they tear me apart, lol.

Let the cool battle storys follow...

The Guild&Academy Master of Anathema - Legel Server
Kasshan / Casshan - Fighter LvL 86 / Cleric LvL 66

[dieeid-tcs]

Gladiatiors are pretty easy to beat in a fair 1v1 with full cooltimes.
Knights are almost impossible to beat tough ^^

[Zamacka]

From observations in fbz:
Charmed fighter vs. Charmed mage
Charm fighter looks to win more often, both gladiators and knights seem to fair well.
non charmed fighter vs. non charmed mage
Seems like the mage has a much better chance. Seems like the knight class has a bigger advantage.

These are just observations though. I might be totally wrong.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

Knights can:
- Buckler 2 of a Wizard's/Warlocks spells every 14 seconds on max CD.
- Neglect just as they get frozen to avoid the huge nuke-damage that follows.
- Discharge to chip down an escaping Mage's HP.
- Stronger shields to withstand the kiting better (admittadly not by much and especially not if we throw HG shields into the mix).

Gladiators can:
- Dash to avoid a Fear-off-the mark and catch a Wizard/Warlock by surprise.
- Violence to cancel out Mesmerize.
- Tomohawk to cause horrible damage at any range (as long as they are in range).
- Go under the influence of fast-CD Violence to keep them on the offensive even after being stifled, so a stunned Mage is still in trouble.

[kronostheman]

Get SPR on your equips, +9 Kart Miner rings, and +9 Guardian's Wish.
If a fighter stuns a mage around their level, the mage is dead unless the fighter is an idiot using 2h or 1h to hit.

[WolfAngel9414]

Depends on the gladiator. If you get your *** handed to you every time at 86 you aren't going to have much more luck at 100.

[Zamacka]

Knights can:
- Buckler 2 of a Wizard's/Warlocks spells every 14 seconds on max CD.
- Neglect just as they get frozen to avoid the huge nuke-damage that follows.
- Discharge to chip down an escaping Mage's HP.
- Stronger shields to withstand the kiting better (admittadly not by much and especially not if we throw HG shields into the mix).

Gladiators can:
- Dash to avoid a Fear-off-the mark and catch a Wizard/Warlock by surprise.
- Violence to cancel out Mesmerize.
- Tomohawk to cause horrible damage at any range (as long as they are in range).
- Go under the influence of fast-CD Violence to keep them on the offensive even after being stifled, so a stunned Mage is still in trouble.

Wow, never new violence canceled out mesmerize, and how does violence contend with stiffle? Is it like you still have long cast but you attack faster so they kinda cancel out?


Get SPR on your equips, +9 Kart Miner rings, and +9 Guardian's Wish.
If a fighter stuns a mage around their level, the mage is dead unless the fighter is an idiot using 2h or 1h to hit.

I think spr is over rated, because with full spr it will likely take away about a less then 50dmg, not much considering mages will hit 1k+, 2k+ crits. If you have it all the better, but I wouldn't really seek it. Dex is more helpful, especially against mages that don't value aim very much (common). End is the other just for more hp. Its hard for mage to kill a fighter that has an insane hp. At 100 they would likely be using 95 blue jewelry which enhances very nice, and ROPS already give nice m def. Actually Most fighter can pwn a mage their level with a +10 1h, unless they really have high def. But if a fighter catches up once, they will likely make it back unless the mage crits a lot more.



Depends on the gladiator. If you get your *** handed to you every time at 86 you aren't going to have much more luck at 100.

Straight up.

[ra77man]

Wow, never new violence canceled out mesmerize, and how does violence contend with stiffle? Is it like you still have long cast but you attack faster so they kinda cancel out?

It does.

The thing about violence is that it makes the attack speed of an axe, equal to the attack speed of a 1h.

Even if stifled, a gladiator with violence would continue to autoattack at the same attack speed since stifle only slows down skill casting/spamming and not autoattack.


[CENTER]

I think spr is over rated, because with full spr it will likely take away about a less then 50dmg, not much considering mages will hit 1k+, 2k+ crits. If you have it all the better, but I wouldn't really seek it. Dex is more helpful, especially against mages that don't value aim very much (common). End is the other just for more hp. Its hard for mage to kill a fighter that has an insane hp. At 100 they would likely be using 95 blue jewelry which enhances very nice, and ROPS already give nice m def. Actually Most fighter can pwn a mage their level with a +10 1h, unless they really have high def. But if a fighter catches up once, they will likely make it back unless the mage crits a lot more.
Straight up.

Yes hp, dex and m.def are a fighter's main components when going against a mage. spr in build or in gear doesn't really help (unless you have copious amounts of it like 60 spr on each RoP). However, as a glad with all +9 jewellery (and 1h and shield) I am able to attain around 2.5k m.def. So it's more a matter of chasing the mage for me as opposed to being owned by them.

Therefore for a glad to own a mage, in my opinion +9 jewellery is a must, along with a decent 1h and shield.

[fpser]

I think A wizard can own gladiator much better than a warlock
well its my opinion i maybe wrong but if they chain cast
freeze them
forst nova
inferno
freeze again
summon skeletons
spam skills
fear
spam skills

should be enuf to kill a gladiator.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

Wow, never new violence canceled out mesmerize, and how does violence contend with stiffle? Is it like you still have long cast but you attack faster so they kinda cancel out?

Straight up.

Aye, if Mesmerize is cast while a Gladiator is under the influence of Violence then both effects get cancelled out by one another. So for a Warlock to succesfully put a Gladiator to sleep they would have to CC Mesmerize, but Violence has such a low CD it may as well be ready to use again straight after being cancelled out.

And as ra77man said, Violence jacks up the auto-attack speed of the weapon you have equipped. While attacking at the same speed as a 1 handed sword with an axe equipped, you should try a 1 hand and see your attack speed shoot up to about 4 hits a second. Apparantly this works, but seeing as I'm going Knight I can't test it so bleh.

[Panzehao]

does violence cancel out fear too? and ya skeletons hurt>.> not sure not after 95 but before they they hit like 250s at like uber fast attack rateXD. i would say its all on gear, a fully gearing out glad beats a fully geared out mage because mage's armor bonus for +9 just wouldn't hold it agaist glad's atk power while glad's with +9 jewerl should do fine against mages. you also got to consider the cash spent on charater like what kinda of suit and how much crit and stuff =X

[ReplicaSwordsman]

does violence cancel out fear too? and ya skeletons hurt

Nope, Fear remains the unstoppable, unblockable, undodgeable, unreasonable pain in every Fighter's rear end.

You'd think we'd have a skill to counter it by now, but if we did every Mage would come raining down to OoS so it's best to keep everything as is. If your SPR is high enough then it isn't impossible to survive the flurry of spells and make your way over to a Mage. Remember, Mages have to fight smart seeing as we can kill them in one face-roll. You have to look for cracks in their playing style, and use any ground you gain.

[crownedclownz]

i DONT have +9 jewelries, BUT none mages in 5 lvl range higher could beat me!

76 fighter

i have solved the lack of mdef fighters have =]

no need for +9

[kasshan]

i DONT have +9 jewelries, BUT none mages in 5 lvl range higher could beat me!

76 fighter

i have solved the lack of mdef fighters have =]

no need for +9
share tht secret im in disblief >.>


The Guild&Academy Master of Anathema - Legel Server
Kasshan/Casshan - Fighter/Cleric

[zephyr_wind]

Aye, if Mesmerize is cast while a Gladiator is under the influence of Violence then both effects get cancelled out by one another. So for a Warlock to succesfully put a Gladiator to sleep they would have to CC Mesmerize, but Violence has such a low CD it may as well be ready to use again straight after being cancelled out.

And as ra77man said, Violence jacks up the auto-attack speed of the weapon you have equipped. While attacking at the same speed as a 1 handed sword with an axe equipped, you should try a 1 hand and see your attack speed shoot up to about 4 hits a second. Apparantly this works, but seeing as I'm going Knight I can't test it so bleh.

Wrong information ftl.

Violence and mesmerize don't cancel out. You can't sleep a gladiator with violence active because you can't hit someone whose mesmerized or they'll wake up. Seeing as violence requires hp loss you can't keep them asleep. In order to get rid of violence the effect from lightning blast has to hit, then a gladiator can be slept. Any smart warlock is going to try and get that off first so they can use mesmerize to their advantage.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

Found that out already. Apologies for lack of knowledge.

[blcurrey]

So unless you're a mage or fighter you can pretty much give up PvP?

[kajbe]

So unless you're a mage or fighter you can pretty much give up PvP?

Pffft. Nay. I've seen some STR based cleric rip on other classes. Also some END based clerics may not be able to kill but they refuse to die too. And archers are decent sometimes. Depends on their build and gear. I figg an archer has to be very cunning and clever though. -.o Anyone agree?
Regards,
Peppy :)

[mustang3.14]

does violence cancel out fear too? and ya skeletons hurt>.> not sure not after 95 but before they they hit like 250s at like uber fast attack rateXD. i would say its all on gear, a fully gearing out glad beats a fully geared out mage because mage's armor bonus for +9 just wouldn't hold it agaist glad's atk power while glad's with +9 jewerl should do fine against mages. you also got to consider the cash spent on charater like what kinda of suit and how much crit and stuff =X

personally used skelies in pvp against 100+ fighters...you can stun them and decrease their damage making them almost useless, and glads kill them super easily with +10 axe (might need aim scroll) they really are a minor inconvience to 100+ fighters in my opinion lol

[mustang3.14]

kinda like when with uber high dmg flame walkers in helga's tomb the fighters didnt want to wait for the fws to kill the kalaps so they went and killed them faster...still think fws had glitched dmg?? if they did then fighters have glitched dmg too...idc if they were charmed, charms increase things by a % so when you already have the best dmg+def they increase it more effectively for you...they increase them more for the people that already have more and less for the ppl that started out with less,,which kinda seems wrong...ppl with less to start need more?

[ihatejs12]

Pretty much after 100, archers only live through pvp if their evasion is really high and the opponent's aim is much lower. But after people get their 95blue gears archers just don't have the damage to take the other classes out.

[myoga_rin]

Pretty much after 100, archers only live through pvp if their evasion is really high and the opponent's aim is much lower. But after people get their 95blue gears archers just don't have the damage to take the other classes out.

This is sad and too true T.T My dmg at 92 with a +9 tbk bow is under 2k
(but i dont have much str in my gears so i guess its fine)

[a85243362463696]

Gladiatiors are pretty easy to beat in a fair 1v1 with full cooltimes.
Knights are almost impossible to beat tough ^^
Lol knight arent impossible to beat , if you know the right combo for them :) i think...what may help vs knight is....chain cast-fear-ice field-aoe-fear-stifle

[coolcool777]

As a 66 mage, I can beat any fighter with an aim scroll. Unless they have crazy hp and charms.

[ale.wilkins]

As a 66 mage, I can beat any fighter with an aim scroll. Unless they have crazy hp and charms.

then ur not beating them, and you should put dex in ur build. thats just me. using scrolls in pvp is just............yeah.............................. ..yeah.

[ryuji_]

The answer to this question REALLY depends on how well YOU play your class and how well your opponent plays his/her class.

Like Mr. Symphonic up there, almost 99% of the time, he'll kill me before I can touch him(high dmg&crit/appropriate use of counter skills/timing).

Then there are some mages that can't kill me even with ice->cc->inferno->inferno->nova.


For the other pvp questions that I just skimmed through-

Only certain mages know this, but some skills ARE able to cancel out violence(which is REALLY annoying btw)

-For the person that said " if you're not a fighter or a mage blah blah no pvp "

1. Full STR holyknights +9gear/hg shield/defsuit/+10hg mace + quicken crit buff = Gladiator with Knight def.

2. You've never seen a talented archer have you?

[prototypef]

I noticed 1 thing... Mostly people who don't know what they're talking about post in PvP Discussion. That's all I have to say.

[slire]

The answer to this question REALLY depends on how well YOU play your class and how well your opponent plays his/her class.

Like Mr. Symphonic up there, almost 99% of the time, he'll kill me before I can touch him(high dmg&crit/appropriate use of counter skills/timing).

Then there are some mages that can't kill me even with ice->cc->inferno->inferno->nova.


For the other pvp questions that I just skimmed through-

Only certain mages know this, but some skills ARE able to cancel out violence(which is REALLY annoying btw)

-For the person that said " if you're not a fighter or a mage blah blah no pvp "

1. Full STR holyknights +9gear/hg shield/defsuit/+10hg mace + quicken crit buff = Gladiator with Knight def.

2. You've never seen a talented archer have you?

lol really after all that for the HK gear im guessing the cap will have raised i takes forever getting all that junk and tons and tons of money just so u can be decent in pvp so after 40-99 clerics worthless in pvp 100-105 good in perfect gear yea keep thinking clerics are pvp classes.

as for the talented archer i havent they seem to all be on the forums crying about something maybe when ppl come out for cap raise next week ill see one :p

[fireyair]

I noticed 1 thing... Mostly people who don't know what they're talking about post in PvP Discussion. That's all I have to say.

You're not too good with paradox, are ya'?

See, if what you say is true, then I must assume that chances are you don't know what you're friggin' talking about, and your statement is utter bull (according to you).

However, if your statement is really worth less than suburban real estate, then I must assume that people do know what they're talking about, in which case you're probably right about your statement being a load of crap (which is really all you're saying).

Ahhh, semantics.


Peace:cool:

[RyaikenDune]

O.O I have seen ( and *cough* been *cough* ) a few talented archers.

Needless to say they still got pawned over 80% of the time.

[ale.wilkins]

O.O I have seen ( and *cough* been *cough* ) a few talented archers.

Needless to say they still got pawned over 80% of the time.

i get owned my archers all the time simply becuase i cant hit them lol. im one of those people that refuses to use sc when they pvp so without a skins aim im sort of outta luck a lot of the time unfortunately. but if i dont miss(not fail, but MISS)ice field usually i can kill any archer.