Idea For A Battle Arena

[balniss_dolyl]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/nick321/BattleArena.png

Alright, my friend and I have gotten very sick of some of the people in the fiesta pvp community because of unfair teaming/charming/etc. I resigned my character just a few days ago due to lvling boredom and pvp becoming less and less interesting since no one could fight fairly. I'm sure many of you have experienced this too. That is where this idea spawned. The Duel Arena, an Instant residing in FBZ.

Menu 1. Where Opposing Pvpers decide what items the other is aloud to wear. Only items you are wearing at the time can be: worn in, removed, or put back on while in the arena. As you can see clicking on a Item toggles it between usable/unusable. Character can toggle item on both your own and their opponent Gear. Once everything is Agreed on click the Lock and approve just like in a trade.

Menu 2. Here is where you place a wager. Items/Money is help until the fight is over. Winner takes all. Nothing has to be put into the the wager, it can be a friendly 1v1. Works exactly like a trade.

Menu 3. Here is where you decide what SC items/in game items are aloud. Clicking the circle will toggle it on both players side. both player may change the toggle. Scroll buffs, Extenders, And charms equipped entering the battle arena will not have effect if the they are toggled to be off. Time will continue as normal while still in the arena, so I advise not putting them on before hand.

Menu 4. This Menu allows people to join and only watch your pvp. When you apply for a duel, it creates a room that people may join in just like Weddings, except no invites are need, all are aloud. Joining is basically the same as Joining a KQ.

One thing i neglected to put in was, Pt vs Pt. Before it all starts the two who applied for the duel can enable Parties. If they do, after menu 3 they can invite 4 people maximum each. And the fight begins. After the battle is all over with the winner of the two who applied win the wagers. The invited party follow the same rules that were set by the original combatants.

Remember this is only an idea, Please Comment and maybe OS will make this come true.

[balniss_dolyl]

In menu 2 Its Held not Help

[WIZAPWNS]

I like where this is going. If OS were to add this I'd pvp everyday o.o tell your friends!!! XD

[k_arnub]

looks like it would be a lot of fun, but how long would it last, like would it be one kill decides the winner or a time limit? very cool tho

[fpser]

The kill is needed to end the fight no time limit i think, but then again Cleric vs Cleric .............................. no one would watch that clercis will be neglected lol they will be just used as tools in Party Duels. Also one question how does the party vs party work if it were to work like this the 2 party leaders put stuff on stake then its basically a 1v1 but there are people helping you so its basically back to a 1v1 situation. But lets say players were to somehow negotiate in the first situation i said like this the 4 members of both parties give there leaders what they are going to stake and then the prize is then to be split the party leader could just quit and run away with the stuff they won and the stuff the members gave them for stake. I think this is how it should work for party vs party lets take in account a 5v5 situation my way will only work when both teams have the same amount of people. So in a 5v5 it should be like this each person from one party finds another person from the other party and stakes with them. so it should look a little something like this

Party 1 Party 2
Person 1 Person 1
Person 2 Person 2
Person 3 Person 3
Person 4 Person 4
Person 5 Person 5

So lets say Party 2 wins. In my opinion/way it should work out like this for example lets say in the 5v5 Fight this is how the people died from first to last
Person 1- Party 2
Person 2- Party1
Person 3- Party 1
Person 3- Party 2
Person 2- Party 2
Person 1- Party 1
Person 4- Party 1
Person 5- Party 1

The rest from party 2 lived so according to stakes the person who dies first going against there stake enemy loses regardless of if there party wins or loses over all. So according to that the people who get there won there stakes should look like this.

Party 1 (Loser) Party 2 (Winner)
Person 1 W Person 1 L
Person 2 L Person 2 W
Person 3 L Person 3 W
Person 4 L Person 4 W
Person 5 L Person 5 W

As you can see person 1 from party 2 lost his stake while person 1 from party 1 won his stake. This may seem like people will begin to be selfish and try kill there enemy rather than helping the whole team as a whole this will create teamwork much more important rather than caring for your self because if you work better as a team everyone should get there stake.

[balniss_dolyl]

wow you put alot of thought into this, and see this is why i posted it, i want people to come, comment, debate, and give input on this idea. If we get enough views and people saying its a good idea OS may just make us our dueing arena.

And "k_arnub" i would think it would be a 1 kill win, and time limit, because as post "fpser" a cleric vs cleric would be awful. well unless one was over powered. But anyway i would say if time runs out, its a tie.


Remember this is just an idea in progress and it needs developed, and finish before OS will approve it. Tell all your friends, guild, and random people who like to PvP to stop in.

[WIZAPWNS]

ok at first I was questioning how your way was fair to the person 1 on party 2, but after studying it further I guess it would work. In otherwords, you're saying the top 5 people to live will get their stake. This could work and I would have nothing against that, sounds like it would work to me.

I also thought of another way to do it that's a little more party oriented. Let's keep the fact that party 2 won, and person 4 and 5 were alive in the end. Since party 2 was the victor overall, none of the members from party 2 lose their stake, however, only the people from party 2 who were in the top 5 (the last ones to die of course) actually get stakes from party 1.

Top 5 participants

person 4-pt 2
person 5-pt 2
person 3-pt 1
person 1-pt 2
person 5-pt 1

say if the example were true, person 5 and 3 from party 1 will get to keep their stakes. The rest of the stakes will be mixed and randomly distributed, given out via present boxes(like KQs). This way, putting up stakes does not get complicated, you're not putting the stakes up to a person, but merely putting them up to the winning team. This will only be executed for Pt. Vs. Pt., so in a 1v1 the stakes will be nagotiable between players and they will know exactly what they're getting.


As for if it should be timed or to a certain score, that's also a possibility they could throw in. This is all just the basics Balniss thought up, if we can actually get OS to agree to putting this in the game, they can worry about extra details if they wish.

[ToHoly]

I kinda like this idea. One thing tho everything looks well thought out. You should also include the option to wager items/ money to the victor if they wanted to. Kinda like a bet thing? when ppl talk trash its like come fight me...you win you get this....and whatever.

[KungFuHobo]

We should probably ask Jagex first?

[WIZAPWNS]

I kinda like this idea. One thing tho everything looks well thought out. You should also include the option to wager items/ money to the victor if they wanted to. Kinda like a bet thing? when ppl talk trash its like come fight me...you win you get this....and whatever.

Thats already an option, look at image and explaination 2.


We should probably ask Jagex first?

What does Jagex have to do with this? Shouldn't we ask Outspark about it?

[Zamacka]

We should probably ask Jagex first?


Lol, its a good idea to fumble on ideas of other mmos, I would prefer to get away from the staked thing though. Just the aspect of being able to have a 1 on 1, without someone 20 lvls higher then you barging in. Or someone charmed way over board.

This is why i like abyss. wagering exp is good enough of a stake for me. It keeps people from just spawning back and trying over and over to finally win, when there obviously less skilled. Hate to put it that way but its annoying when you win 3 times in a row, then your vitality wares off and your opponent finally wins...

[KungFuHobo]

What does Jagex have to do with this? Shouldn't we ask Outspark about it?

Because every single part of this idea came from one of their well known games.




Lol, its a good idea to fumble on ideas of other mmos, I would prefer to get away from the staked thing though. Just the aspect of being able to have a 1 on 1, without someone 20 lvls higher then you barging in. Or someone charmed way over board.

This is why i like abyss. wagering exp is good enough of a stake for me. It keeps people from just spawning back and trying over and over to finally win, when there obviously less skilled. Hate to put it that way but its annoying when you win 3 times in a row, then your vitality wares off and your opponent finally wins...

I mean fumble yeah, but this isn't fumbling, this is completely copying their idea.

Like fumble would imply we would change something other than adding the option to remove SC Gear (and they don't have sc gear, so does that really count?)

[WIZAPWNS]

Lol, its a good idea to fumble on ideas of other mmos, I would prefer to get away from the staked thing though. Just the aspect of being able to have a 1 on 1, without someone 20 lvls higher then you barging in. Or someone charmed way over board.

This is why i like abyss. wagering exp is good enough of a stake for me. It keeps people from just spawning back and trying over and over to finally win, when there obviously less skilled. Hate to put it that way but its annoying when you win 3 times in a row, then your vitality wares off and your opponent finally wins...

wagering is optional also! please read the first page carefully before you post...you can just hit the lock and approve with nothing in the box and it would continue.


I mean fumble yeah, but this isn't fumbling, this is completely copying their idea.

Like fumble would imply we would change something other than adding the option to remove SC Gear (and they don't have sc gear, so does that really count?)


Balniss and I have played plenty of MMOs, you should know that this concept isn't just applied in that Jagex game you're talking about, but also in many other MMOs. The reason we got the idea is because Fiesta seems to be the only MMO we haven't played without something like this. A few of PWE games have this as well, and so does Everquest in a certain form. It isn't stealing an idea from one company if everyone else has it too.

[kimbaland]

Sounds at the worse part like Gambling which I like lol but stupid people are going to wine after this sort of Match if they ever become a reality that the Victor cheated in some way which will most likely never be the case but cause a lot of disputes more often than not other than that fantastic idea.

[codyleo2008]

*** yo, who give a damn about battlefield idea stuff. It's call FreeBattle Zone, Not PlayFairBattle Zone. use your head dum@$$. FreeBattle Zone we can do $h!t, we can put scrolls, we can do *** we want to do. We can waste time watching a cleric vs cleric fight, hell even a fighter vs fighter they take long fight too. Why? cuz they know $h!t, they think there better, stronger, faster, and smarter. Let me tell you all again, It's a FreeBattle Zone, Free mean we can do what we want to do, battle we fight, Zone, that the area of the Sparta!

[mianhae]

*** yo, who give a damn about battlefield idea stuff. It's call FreeBattle Zone, Not PlayFairBattle Zone. use your head dum@$$. FreeBattle Zone we can do $h!t, we can put scrolls, we can do *** we want to do. We can waste time watching a cleric vs cleric fight, hell even a fighter vs fighter they take long fight too. Why? cuz they know $h!t, they think there better, stronger, faster, and smarter. Let me tell you all again, It's a FreeBattle Zone, Free mean we can do what we want to do, battle we fight, Zone, that the area of the Sparta!

go back and read what OP wrote.


anyways... this sounds like a really good idea. maybe there could be an option during the battle to make it a tie? both people would have to agree on making it a tie though.

[KungFuHobo]

Balniss and I have played plenty of MMOs, you should know that this concept isn't just applied in that Jagex game you're talking about, but also in many other MMOs. The reason we got the idea is because Fiesta seems to be the only MMO we haven't played without something like this. A few of PWE games have this as well, and so does Everquest in a certain form. It isn't stealing an idea from one company if everyone else has it too.

And the point of making Fiesta like many other MMO's is?

It's not like I'm completely against the concept it's that I'd like to see more 'fumbling' (as zamacka says).

[WIZAPWNS]

*** yo, who give a damn about battlefield idea stuff. It's call FreeBattle Zone, Not PlayFairBattle Zone. use your head dum@$$. FreeBattle Zone we can do $h!t, we can put scrolls, we can do *** we want to do. We can waste time watching a cleric vs cleric fight, hell even a fighter vs fighter they take long fight too. Why? cuz they know $h!t, they think there better, stronger, faster, and smarter. Let me tell you all again, It's a FreeBattle Zone, Free mean we can do what we want to do, battle we fight, Zone, that the area of the Sparta!

ummm thanks for your opinion, but that has nothing to do with the topic...Did I say anything about free battle zone being fair? thats the point of this battle arena, so there can be free battle zone AND a place to have fair fights. By the look of your post you're probably just one of those charmers/scrollers who can't win without them, so you're upset of the idea so people can't call you out and beat you.


anyways... this sounds like a really good idea. maybe there could be an option during the battle to make it a tie? both people would have to agree on making it a tie though.

Well there's several ways we could approach this. We could make it so a time limit can be set, but if you don't want a time limit, just max out the clock(that is if the clock can reach up to 60 minutes. Either the 2 will get bored eventually or it'll end). This way allows clerics to 1v1 without being in the arena for ages to set the clock for like 5 minutes, and for people who don't want a time limit, can set the clock to like 60 minutes. We could also maybe do it the way you pointed out, and have an option for a combatant to request to the opponent a tie. Lastly, we could always just ignore this option, and they can stop fighting when they want, but that probably wouldnt be a good idea because we'd have to figure out a way to give them there wagers back if they wagered anything at all...


And the point of making Fiesta like many other MMO's is?

It's not like I'm completely against the concept it's that I'd like to see more 'fumbling' (as zamacka says).

Fiesta is already like one very famous MMO out there, WoW. the interface is almost completely copied right out of WoW, and there are a ton of features that WoW had first that Fiesta copied. I could go as far to say that Fiesta is just a downgraded WoW.

The concept isn't to make it like other MMOs, its just a nice feature that Fiesta lacks that would be fun and keep Fiesta alive. additions to MMOs are important to keep people playing. All those people with 4 maxed characters get bored and it's like they maxed those characters for nothing except to wait for the lvl cap and sit in the same fbz day after day, and maybe a guild war here and there.

When you say fumbling do you mean like less copying other MMOs? It's true we got most of the ideas for this from other MMOs...but idk what else we would add or change to make it original, hence why we made the thread, to get new ideas for it XD

[balniss_dolyl]

*** yo, who give a damn about battlefield idea stuff. It's call FreeBattle Zone, Not PlayFairBattle Zone. use your head dum@$$. FreeBattle Zone we can do $h!t, we can put scrolls, we can do *** we want to do. We can waste time watching a cleric vs cleric fight, hell even a fighter vs fighter they take long fight too. Why? cuz they know $h!t, they think there better, stronger, faster, and smarter. Let me tell you all again, It's a FreeBattle Zone, Free mean we can do what we want to do, battle we fight, Zone, that the area of the Sparta!

Thank you incredibly angry Reply for your spout of non sense on the forum i posted. its lovely to know that raging morons have a freedom of speech, because you random people like you we know why its not such a terrible idea to own a gun. This idea is to see who is truely better without spark cash and all the stuff, the why its called dueling arena. True duels are fair. Pease leave your angry response to my post anywhere, I'm sure I'll read it some time. In your pplease refer from cussing or tell me to shut up, it makes you look stupid

Random dude that says i Stole this from Jagex, My question is is it exactly the same. No, i have it so charms and scrolls aren't aloud. And I'm guessing your 12 and have not had to deal with copyrighting art, Games fall under that. As long as its not exactly the same you can use it, I know Made a band, researched after and there was a band with the same name but only 1 letter difference so our name stayed, sold some music on Itunes and all that for awhile.

[WIZAPWNS]

how about we keep from arguing and keep this to a discussion. I'd rather not fight, it would make the cause less likely to succeed. This thread is to come up with ways to improve Balniss' system, and perhaps get OS to agree to adding this.

[KungFuHobo]

Fiesta is already like one very famous MMO out there, WoW. the interface is almost completely copied right out of WoW, and there are a ton of features that WoW had first that Fiesta copied. I could go as far to say that Fiesta is just a downgraded WoW.

When you say fumbling do you mean like less copying other MMOs? It's true we got most of the ideas for this from other MMOs...but idk what else we would add or change to make it original, hence why we made the thread, to get new ideas for it XD

I try to forget the whole 60 minutes I played WoW, but yeah the interfaces are similar I guess. I wouldn't call WoW's interface "origional", it looks a ton like EQ but what do I know according to the person below I'm only 12.

And yeah when it comes to fumbling I mean we need to make it less like other MMO's, I mean, we could start by not calling it the Duel Arena x_x.

I'll get more into fumbling below ;o



Random dude that says i Stole this from Jagex, My question is is it exactly the same. No, i have it so charms and scrolls aren't aloud. And I'm guessing your 12 and have not had to deal with copyrighting art, Games fall under that. As long as its not exactly the same you can use it, I know Made a band, researched after and there was a band with the same name but only 1 letter difference so our name stayed, sold some music on Itunes and all that for awhile.

My statements were jokes at how this is praised as some sort of new idea.

You're changes were nothing more than changing what they call in their game to what we call in Fiesta, and adding the option to turn on/off SC Gear and Parties (neither of which are in the game I'm talking about). I'm sorry I didn't see enough effort put forth in "your" idea to praise it. (In the actual idea part, the pictures were nice.)

It doesn't look like you considered how this new system would affect the game other than "Something to do instead of Lvl" and "Too many people team and charm in pvp".

For example: how would the whole wager system affect the game where you never lose items/gold upon death, and the only place to "wager" money is the Guild Tournament?

Even if you don't have to wager it's still a big part of the arena. You didn't address "Well, in other MMO's people lose items, etc upon death so it's not a big deal in those games but in this game you don't so..." for all the people who go "Even if you don't have to, just having the wager feature there would be a bad idea because..."

With making it "fit" in Fiesta you didn't consider "Well they have Guild Tournament rewards why can't the duel arena have it's own point system and rewards, if people disagree with wagers and don't want the wager system in the game we could go in this other direction"

[WIZAPWNS]

hmm.... Well if enough people were not to like the wagering system, what if it was to earn prizes? When you win a 1v1, you earn actual silver, and depending on how well you did in the fight(how fast you defeated your opponent) you earn a certain amount of exp. In a party oriented "Stadium Royale,"(bahaha possible new name for it XD)if we used the system posted a while back on the first page of this thread, the higher you stand in the ranks, the higher possiblility to get a purple or blue.

I really like the wagering system better though. I guess it would have to be decided with a vote whether we would want to keep it or add something else.

[KungFuHobo]

And how would a wagering system work for parties?

[WIZAPWNS]

We could do it 2 ways. look on Page 1 at fpser's post. My response to his was the other option, which i'll post here:



ok at first I was questioning how your way was fair to the person 1 on party 2, but after studying it further I guess it would work. In otherwords, you're saying the top 5 people to live will get their stake. This could work and I would have nothing against that, sounds like it would work to me.

I also thought of another way to do it that's a little more party oriented. Let's keep the fact that party 2 won, and person 4 and 5 were alive in the end. Since party 2 was the victor overall, none of the members from party 2 lose their stake, however, only the people from party 2 who were in the top 5 (the last ones to die of course) actually get stakes from party 1.

Top 5 participants

person 4-pt 2
person 5-pt 2
person 3-pt 1
person 1-pt 2
person 5-pt 1

say if the example were true, person 5 and 3 from party 1 will get to keep their stakes. The rest of the stakes will be mixed and randomly distributed, given out via present boxes(like KQs). This way, putting up stakes does not get complicated, you're not putting the stakes up to a person, but merely putting them up to the winning team. This will only be executed for Pt. Vs. Pt., so in a 1v1 the stakes will be nagotiable between players and they will know exactly what they're getting.


As for if it should be timed or to a certain score, that's also a possibility they could throw in. This is all just the basics Balniss thought up, if we can actually get OS to agree to putting this in the game, they can worry about extra details if they wish

[KungFuHobo]

If there was an option for one person to wager and the other doesn't have to how would that work with the party system?

[WIZAPWNS]

everyone wagers something...there is an option to not wager anyhting, but the whole lock and then aprrove thing applies. everyone sees everyone's wager box. for everything to continue, everyone must approve. this way, if everyone wagers something except 1 person cuz they're trying to be selfish, someone can catch it and say "hey, you didnt wager something, put something up or you'll be booted." the minimum requirements to wager will be up to the parties and such, all human interaction from that point.

[herculezt]

True duel is: BOTH SAME LEVEL. so the key of winning is depends on your strategy, combat skill, gear.
U have no chance to own high level even both use no CS item.
Then wth people want to buy CS item if they have no right to use it in pvp zone.
So i think your system battle will never be happen on F2P MMORPG (benefit - item mall)

[WIZAPWNS]

True duel is: BOTH SAME LEVEL. so the key of winning is depends on your strategy, combat skill, gear.
U have no chance to own high level even both use no CS item.
Then wth people want to buy CS item if they have no right to use it in pvp zone.
So i think your system battle will never be happen on F2P MMORPG (benefit - item mall)

ummmmm you're retarded. my char was beating lvl 94 fighters at lvl 86. I could tank lvl 95 fighters with bkr's at lvl 88, just couldn't kill them because lvl 85 bk axe didn't have the damage to cut through full +9 95 purples.

[myoga_rin]

I like this idea. Not that my opinion means anything

^^ keep up the brainstorming

[herculezt]

ummmmm you're retarded. my char was beating lvl 94 fighters at lvl 86. I could tank lvl 95 fighters with bkr's at lvl 88, just couldn't kill them because lvl 85 bk axe didn't have the damage to cut through full +9 95 purples.

if im retarded, then u are a m*ron ? u could win because u'd lucky meet a failed opponent.
Grats for in 10 time vs high level, 8-9 of them u got pwned/wasting a lot pot-stone. :D
And the point i describe is quite simple-> TRUE DUEL: both same level (higher/lower with gap 1-4 is deal). and so u have average skill level, etc.
Level 95 vs 100+, 90 vs 95+ uncharmed, no CS item allowed.. who do u think will win ? :rolleyes:

[WIZAPWNS]

if im retarded, then u are a m*ron ? u could win because u'd lucky meet a failed opponent.
Grats for in 10 time vs high level, 8-9 of them u got pwned/wasting a lot pot-stone. :D
And the point i describe is quite simple-> TRUE DUEL: both same level (higher/lower with gap 1-4 is deal). and so u have average skill level, etc.
Level 95 vs 100+, 90 vs 95+ uncharmed, no CS item allowed.. who do u think will win ? :rolleyes:

LOL only people I lose to are the ones with HGs, so you're saying all those 95 fighters with +10 bkrs and godly +9 purps are fail? I dont pot, because I don't buy pots. I don't own any either, because I don't fail. lvl 100s kill me all the time, their lvl 100 skills are beast, and I've been beaten by 3 9x fighters my entire time in fbz3, if I was potting wouldn't you think I'd live?

Also, what you are pointing out is completely pointless to this discussion. Does it matter who you think will win? people aren't going to use it if they don't want to. It's a feature they can use if they get sick of some ******* who's say...lvl 80 killing them when they are 85. He believes hes charmed/potting, so he wants to make sure he isnt. they go in the battle arena, and turns out the 80 is just better than the 85 cuz he still wins. its just a way to settle pointless arguments, test each others true strength, and possibly get something good out of it. I don't see how your argument has anything to do with this at all lol.

[WIZAPWNS]

I like this idea. Not that my opinion means anything

^^ keep up the brainstorming

everyone's opinion matters, just be constructive with the feedback, like say, don't say random things that don't add to the idea at all like herculezt did, or just call us retarded for no reason :P we need to keep this going, but it looks like its dying. I posted it on the Suggestions thread, but it looks like one of those threads the CSRs put up just to get people out of their hair >.>

[herculezt]

everyone's opinion matters, just be constructive with the feedback, like say, don't say random things that don't add to the idea at all like herculezt did, or just call us retarded for no reason :P we need to keep this going, but it looks like its dying. I posted it on the Suggestions thread, but it looks like one of those threads the CSRs put up just to get people out of their hair >.>


Got point, so what u want is compliment, support on your suggestion. not critizm.
And why your thread dying/ignored is because those will never be implement on f2p mmorpg (benefit-item mall).. even though you have a good idea about that (fair battle, depends on combat skill, gear).. but think how much fiesta will losing their benefit on CS suit, pot, extender, etc. now u can see how pointless your suggestion ?

And yes, one suit tittle for high level who got owned by low level is "FAILED NUB LOSER".
U may try play in top 1-2 best PK capital (Bijou, Apoline) to open your eyes.

[WIZAPWNS]

Got point, so what u want is compliment, support on your suggestion. not critizm.
And why your thread dying/ignored is because those will never be implement on f2p mmorpg (benefit-item mall).. even though you have a good idea about that (fair battle, depends on combat skill, gear).. but think how much fiesta will losing their benefit on CS suit, pot, extender, etc. now u can see how pointless your suggestion ?

And yes, one suit tittle for high level who got owned by low level is "FAILED NUB LOSER".
U may try play in top 1-2 best PK capital (Bijou, Apoline) to open your eyes.

I see what you mean, OS wouldn't like the idea because it sort of takes away SC items. SC items can be used also in the arena, and its not like FBZ will be taken out of the game. this is a system inside of FBZ, and only a certain number of rooms can be taken. Also, a lot of people might not want to use the arena because they'd rather use their SC.

Thing is, it's a way to settle arguments, experiment with different gears/sc items, and it allows for completely changed and varied ways of PvPing. People can say they only want the suits, or only charms, or maybe only extends and dragons. others may just want to test multiple sets of gears. Doing it this way, you know the person isn't lying to you, and the results will be accurate.

What's your idea of a non-fail fighter then? Tell me, 4.1k dmg, with no dmg suit and a 85 BK axe +10 statless, 1.1k aim/982 eva(aim and eva is with 1h/shield, not sure what it is with axe since mine was recently stolen), 718 mdef, and 2.3k def at lvl 88. at lvl 90, all those stat will just grow, seeing as I have a bk 1h ready(end+50 dex+48 spr+39), a 90 BK axe +10(end+49 dex+43), a top that I'm +9ing myself(str+38 dex+44 spr+27) a 90 shield yet to be bought, but I won't settle for anything under end+39 dex+33 since those are the stats on my current shield. All those stats are better than the ones I have on current gears, especially since my 85 BK was statless, my end and dex are going to sky rocket.

[lovetheworld]

I like the idea :) I always wanted an arena.here an idea of something wanted in a arena but your idea is better.To have team vs. other team battles.(You can name your team,that would be cool) To have a ranking system. Have arena events,if you beat it you become like the king of these arena(is someone beats you they can take your place as like the king lol).(But you have to be like in the top 10 rank or something like that) And there should be arenas for different lvls like,10-40,50-70,80-100. I still think your idea is better :D I hope they make your ideas for an arena come true :) (this is my opinion so please don't be mad at me)

[WIZAPWNS]

I like the idea :) I always wanted an arena.here an idea of something wanted in a arena but your idea is better.To have team vs. other team battles.(You can name your team,that would be cool) To have a ranking system. Have arena events,if you beat it you become like the king of these arena(is someone beats you they can take your place as like the king lol).(But you have to be like in the top 10 rank or something like that) And there should be arenas for different lvls like,10-40,50-70,80-100. I still think your idea is better :D I hope they make your ideas for an arena come true :) (this is my opinion so please don't be mad at me)

lol I have been coming off as angry haven't I? Where the heck is Balniss this was his idea and now I'm practically running this x.x

You're idea is pretty awesome too o.o Having a ranking system would be sweet, then people can actually say they are the best fighter/cleric/mage/archer lvl 85-95 or something, and actually be able to prove it XD. Events might not be such a good idea though, because then the Arena would become to active in the game, outdoing KQs/GM events and such. Events would be almost like a KQ too, so idk if that would such a good thing. Unless of course the events are like solo events, where you are against NPC monsters or random obstacles. That might be a thing to add into the Arena as well over time.

[lovetheworld]

Thank you for liking my idea :D and your right about the events,mybe they should have them every 5 mouths(or 4,i don't know really) or so. And the team that beat all the toped ranked teams gets to fight the arena king and take the throne :D I don't want the kq/gm events to stop :( I like your idea too :3