Archer > Mage?

[duckyducky777]

I am wondering who would win at high-levels(9x), a mage or an archer, because I dominated a mage I PvPed at my level.

[sumit49]

Oh, 90-99 an average geared archer with some skill of the same level could probably beat an average mage the has some skill. At level 100+ though mages just have too many skills to stop you from attacking, and on top of that there's skeles, then there's the overpowered flamewalkers... I can go on

[cyrusknyghtbane]

I am wondering who would win at high-levels(9x), a mage or an archer, because I dominated a mage I PvPed at my level.

Honestly, it's a semi toss up, but low level PvP is generally the only chance you have as an archer, lol.
Archers are "not a PvP class" according to most everyone on Fiesta. Honestly they're just an extremely underpowered class, as are Clerics. I don't want to get into it all, because there are plenty of places to discuss that else where. As far as PvP goes, Archers generally fail, even against Mages. But sometimes you can get 'em, and a lot of times they'll get you.

Hope I helped. ;P

[soulluver]

WELL as an sharpshooter can beat wizards not warlocks... flame walker misses alot

[xogeley]

Archers SHOULD always be able to kill a mage, but 95 purples have pretty high def, but you probably still stand a chance til you get to prestige, then forget it rofl. Sharpshooters can probably still kill mages if they're not immobilized 99% of the time.

[zephyr_wind]

Sharpshooters dominate wizards and pre-prestige mages from what I've seen, however against a warlock they'll just get slept over and over again. Mage aim fails in comparison to archer evasion unless you put dex in your build and gear.

[MusuMith]

the issue is any smart mage puts dex in their gear now days because of dex fighters


And yes sharpshooters stomp any < lvl 99 mage

[WolfAngel9414]

If the archer has no dex and no spr, mage eats archer every single time.
If the archer has dex and spr, like some of the freakinghardtokillarchers I've met, then yes, DoTs and crits will tear up a mages HP very quickly.

Just hope you get your DoTs in before you get stifled.

[kittren]

traditionally an archer should always kill a mage but at that level theres a lot of other factors. >: hard to say.

[duckyducky777]

So, from what I've herd, archers dominate mages BEFORE 100.

[RyaikenDune]

Archers ftw *runs*

[ale.wilkins]

if the mage can hit the archer then the mage can win. usually mages with good dex in gear can beat archers under and over prestige. ya just gotta stick hits otherwise if you miss all the time and ur pure int and have no dex in ur gear then ur gonna get eaten.

[ilovedogs_60]

just as a hint... its supposed to go: archer>mage>fighter... repeat... so overall... archers should be able to beat mages at any level ^_^ so yes... most likely as long as you know what you are doing... the odds are in your favor =D

[imeel]

Sadly archers are so easy in pvp, i can beat any archer even naked with 300-400 def because archers just cant touch a mage, even with some misses. We all know how archers are so underpowered for pvp.

[herculezt]

~73 = archer rule.
73+ = mage rule.

[prototypef]

There is no This>That. Factor in type of gear and stats, skill empowerments, how much SC, and enhancements, and the basic level of skill for the particular person.

[mattblak]

i like to think of myself as skilled when it comes to pvp, and tbh mges own archers, even if they miss (and they do a lot on me.) fear, stifle, impossible to get any decent hits on a mage, and then if your not dead when stifle runs out, you gotta unleash everything u got and hope that u can kill the mage before it kills you/its defensive skills are ready~

[RyaikenDune]

You use an xbow dontcha

[mattblak]

You use an xbow dontcha
yeah i use an xbow, jst waiting for a decent hg bow drop for when im lvl 100 and go sharpshooter

[MusuMith]

The issue is your probably fighting a mage with +9 gears , try +9ing your rops , excluding any spr it may add your talking almost 90 mdef extra per +9 , as I've said in the past if someone else is in godly +9 gears why shouldn't you have to use +9s as well?

Also yeah xbows aren't the best thing to use against a mage :(

[protomateria]

i cant undestand why an xbow isnt good against a mage, the attack rate affects the skill casting rate?
and i prefer casting an aoe+dot instead of using auto attack for more than 3 secs, also archers have a bit more range than mages so u can move away from them to get the distance advantage.
(archers usually attack from 13.5 meters and maybe 15meters if u hit ur target with the very end of the aoe mark)
also, mages are good face to face but the archer have to stalk the mage, and will be hard to fight the mage 1 vs 1, they have at least fear and mana burn to mess with u.
+9ing a rop its kinda freaky too, u get 88+86 mdef from a +9 rop, if u have 2 u have the 192 mdef bonus, but the mdef just substracts that dmg from the int+base attack of the skill, for example a magic blast deals 1300 dmg, with ur amazing rops ull receive 1008 dmg, saving u from 192 hp is isnt a crit and if he isnt using a +9 wep.

btw, i think enhancing a rop for that bonus its a waste, but its their sc, not mine (u guessed right: im poor and dont use sc)

NOTE: SS skills deal enough dmg to beat the mage? whats the difference in dmg of the skills using tbk +9/+10 and using a lv 100 wep +0? arent SS skills just comedy skills?

[achickentender]

almost every thread about archers now makes me facepalm.
like many archers have said incognito above..they can only kill someone if they are lower lvl than them :3

[a85243362463696]

In my option mage should pwn archer..cuz mage's just have too many "pvp skills" like fear..stiffle...they can just stop archers from atacking...about lvl 100+..then mage's should win way way more easy..

[MusuMith]

Um >.> SS skills aren't " comedy skills

If you know how to time you blind/natures swift / disarm you can make them waste a few seconds , on top of this we also have a 4th kiteable skill , and two more attack skills.

All rangers can do is try to time bind to give them time to invis or whatev ( don't most aoes cancel invis anyways? )
Plus what people don't get is you don't have enough skills to always be spamming them , that is where the bow comes in , plus another thing people don't get is you don't see the huge difference in damage between a bow and an xbow until you start hitting crits.

[gunstartx]

Idk why people keep saying archers beat mages. Archers have never been a worry for me. Ever. Sure, maybe you miss 1 or 2 skills but when you hit them its pretty devastating. Fighting an archer is like fighting a knight, it may take a while to kill em but they'll never kill you.

**Note that it doesnt apply to all mages, all archers or all knights. Just my pov. o.0

[MusuMith]

You must be fighting some pretty bleh archers , that or be packing +9s while they don't. On top of that for you to only miss once or twice would make you a dex build , that or they aren't a dex build.

[sumit49]

After having a disheartening fight with my wizard friend today I kind of give up on the archer > mage theory. While stifled, a mage can actually kite you.. which is kind of a punch in the face. When stifle's out they can fear and just keep attacking you. Then finally (I usually survive until this point because I have decent m.def) the wizards bring out the ice, nova and skeletons. If for some reason you survive skeles (divine intervention), stifle is usually cooled down by this point, and they can kite away, fear, ice, stifle, fear until skeletons are cooled down again. Miracles don't usually happen twice. Disarm is probably just annoying to the mage and isn't much of a threat. Most mages I know act like they don't even notice blind. Say if I went ranger, hide doesn't accomplish much unless you're trying to get away from skeles (you'd probably die before you can cast it). Bind can be dispeled. It's funny, wizards are the PvE class. Warlocks can just sleep you if they're near death and keep you sleeping until their CDs come back. Basically, "dang my ice field and inferno are on cooldown... oh well I'll just sleep them and wait til I can try again".

[demolidor009]

To Archer Win a Mage , need use -

BOW +10 Wich , NICE STATS ,
All the armor wich spr , dex , end ....
And in the build :

25 SPR ,REST STR :P

And if u can , buy Sc items wich High Critical and def ...

U will kill Mages easy at 90-100 if the mage is +9s use xbow +10
i recomend Helga Xbow
U Can kill fighter and archer too lvl 80-90
, but cleric only if is 40- lvl then u XD


Cya ...

[prototypef]

i cant undestand why an xbow isnt good against a mage, the attack rate affects the skill casting rate?
and i prefer casting an aoe+dot instead of using auto attack for more than 3 secs, also archers have a bit more range than mages so u can move away from them to get the distance advantage.
(archers usually attack from 13.5 meters and maybe 15meters if u hit ur target with the very end of the aoe mark)
also, mages are good face to face but the archer have to stalk the mage, and will be hard to fight the mage 1 vs 1, they have at least fear and mana burn to mess with u.
+9ing a rop its kinda freaky too, u get 88+86 mdef from a +9 rop, if u have 2 u have the 192 mdef bonus, but the mdef just substracts that dmg from the int+base attack of the skill, for example a magic blast deals 1300 dmg, with ur amazing rops ull receive 1008 dmg, saving u from 192 hp is isnt a crit and if he isnt using a +9 wep.

btw, i think enhancing a rop for that bonus its a waste, but its their sc, not mine (u guessed right: im poor and dont use sc)

NOTE: SS skills deal enough dmg to beat the mage? whats the difference in dmg of the skills using tbk +9/+10 and using a lv 100 wep +0? arent SS skills just comedy skills?

2 +9 RoPs will at most decrease 50 dmg from a Mage's spells. Not 192... Have you PvPed a Mage because seriously a fully +9'd Archer takes only 100 less damage from my spells otherwise. I know for a fact that if the Mage isn't mostly INT built they will get their behinds handed to them by an Archer. Also, my Mage has only 1 piece of +9 armor (Inferno shirt) and I can kill Archers just fine.

[imeel]

a 10x SS or ranger will rarely kill a mage, at least a warlock. i have pvped many full +9ed SS´s +10hg bow, sc suits, skin...and i can beat it even w/o top..mages have lot of defensive skills with decent cooldows.

[leobaloy]

a 10x SS or ranger will rarely kill a mage, at least a warlock. i have pvped many full +9ed SS´s +10hg bow, sc suits, skin...and i can beat it even w/o top..mages have lot of defensive skills with decent cooldows.

Many? There's only 8 (or something like it) so far in Teva lol >:

And back when you were playing even less lol :c!

But yea,mages do have the advantage, simply because archers can't stop mages from attacking, while mages can stop archers >;

[Orchids_Mantis]

Sadly archers are so easy in pvp, i can beat any archer even naked with 300-400 def because archers just cant touch a mage, even with some misses. We all know how archers are so underpowered for pvp.

This one made me chuckle..."Archers can't touch a mage" HAHAHAHAHA!

let's see...300 defense with no armor...that's somewhere around level 70...if you PvP an archer with no armor on 70 mage vs 70 archer (keep in mind the archer has armor), the mage will be lying face down on the ground in under a minute unless you're using massive Pots and a few SC items -or you start porting in, hitting then porting out of the PvP area.

[herculezt]

73 ~ lv 100 mage vs Archer:
Start with ice blast - Purge/Spell steal (if that archer use speed scroll) - Chain Cast - Fear - Nuke (MB-FB) - Fear - Nuke - Stiffle - Nuke.
If the Archer didnt die, run into opposite direction until fear ready to cast.

lv 100+ Warlock vs Ranger/Sharpshooter:
80% warlock will win unless that warlock have very low aim (dex on gear)

[imeel]

This one made me chuckle..."Archers can't touch a mage" HAHAHAHAHA!

let's see...300 defense with no armor...that's somewhere around level 70...if you PvP an archer with no armor on 70 mage vs 70 archer (keep in mind the archer has armor), the mage will be lying face down on the ground in under a minute unless you're using massive Pots and a few SC items -or you start porting in, hitting then porting out of the PvP area.

Well if u noticed in my siggy im a warlock lvl 105, i said 300-400 def NAKED, without gear.

I have done that lot of times before, and archers cant just touch a mage..well maybe just the first shot before he gets feared, but isnt enough.

[Ex.plode]

I've seen a lvl 63 Archer w/o an enhanced weapon, (just a weapon skin) kill a lvl 69 mage with a +10, who usually wins PvP KQ's easily multiple times.

But on the other side I have seen a lower level'd mage easily kill a higher leveled archer.

In my opinion, if the archer has an unreal ammount of dex and decent damage, they win, but it's easy to dex stack for other classes too :p

But yeah, It's all mage 100+

[prototypef]

Mages are the Saboteurs of the game. Especially Warlocks. 2nd most OP class. 1st is Gladiator of course. But the bigger argument overall, what I've seen people say generally is Wizards > Warlocks. But we'll leave that for another discussion. =P