Attitudes of pkers o.o

[Dragonfly77]

Something I have curiously noticed about the abyss, at least on Bijou.

2x pkers will kill any level. they flaunt who's their mains, their levels, and their suit up godly ZK gears. They cash up, charm up, scroll up, everything. And they have the most..whiny mouths of all the abysses..

3x Usually empty, but before the tower nerf it was the new 2x. Most people just hang out and kill grinders that come too close. Take the grnding space and you're dead.

4x Same as 3x, but people tend to stick closer to pking their levels. Still fighting over grinding space.

5x The first chance to hit the first step of a prestige class, the lvl 60. People won't attack unless given the opportunity, except for the 'still act like 2x pkers'

6x More matured in my opinion. And plenty of plvl beggers. Ugh.

7x everyone seems nice o.o or ELSE >.o;

8x No one is ever in here to pk. Seriously.

9x Most people will leave you alone, except for the occasional jerk killing someone who wants to test their strength. Other than that, it's just over space.

As you get higher leveled abysses, there's more...matured people. But now, why does the most infantile Abyss, 2x, have the flaunting mains? and not the main's abysses, 9x?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

[KungFuHobo]

7x abyss is not nice ;O;

But assassertin person leveled out of it on bijou so maybe it's nicer than I remember lol

Oh and gutty aint there either D:

[richardx641]

I agree. 7x used to be PK land but most people gave up/out leveled

[soul_eater2]

Because as you level into the higher level abysses, exp becomes more precious. This is why higher level people go to fbz's rather than abysses. Whereas in 2x, exp isnt as much of a concern.

[soulofdarkness]

Most of the stuff people say in 2x is bull.

[ReplicaSwordsman]

In the 2Xs Godly gear is cheaper and easier to come by than the gears you get around the 8X/9X region, and it is so easy to level a character to 30 in just a matter of days (or even hours to some people). Hence, PKing in the lower levels is just easier.

[TheREALArcherEric]

My main is DBK_REBORN! You don't DARE to touch me in 2x abyss...!

[lysol_attk]

The 7x is the most fun pking imo... There are more challenges, and more screaming kids there. As for our server Cypion I don't think people pk in 8x/9x because there is never anyone in there to kill. (Now I rarely go to 8x/9x so I could be wrong but every time i've been it's empty.)

[soulofdarkness]

6x and 7x are the most fun, followed, funnily enough, by 5x, 4x, 3x and finally 2x

[EvenSmarterChild]

In the 2Xs Godly gear is cheaper and easier to come by than the gears you get around the 8X/9X region, and it is so easy to level a character to 30 in just a matter of days (or even hours to some people). Hence, PKing in the lower levels is just easier.
this one. ^

[caitcouldchoke]

The 7x is the most fun pking imo... There are more challenges, and more screaming kids there. As for our server Cypion I don't think people pk in 8x/9x because there is never anyone in there to kill. (Now I rarely go to 8x/9x so I could be wrong but every time i've been it's empty.)

Being outnumbered in 7x wars ftw. D8

And no, people do not pk in there. ._.
It's more of like.
"MEET MY MAIN IN 8x/9x. D< "

[c8itlyn]

Well let me speak for Teva from a 2x PKers point of view.

In the 2x scrollers/charmers are killed on sight. We do not like scrolls and charms whatsoever in the 2x. We do kill everyone and anyone including each other and regardless of level. We are polite and stick to the rules at all times as we know that people are always looking for a chance to get a PKer banned for any reason. Yes we do wear godly ZK gears and +9s but anyone be damned that tries to tell me that I cant wear them. I worked hard for the ability to be able to afford those gears and it's my right to wear them for whatever activity I choose. If you don't like it go get your own and come back then we will talk. As for main flaunting that does happen sometimes. But usually only the people who decide that they can make a 2x PKer cos they have a 9x and once went to BZ. These people don't stay for long because "stfu I have a 9x go to BZ and fight me bish" will get you spam killed.

The 3x is usually quiet. It is less about PKing and more about 1v1. I consider it a stop off for people on their way to the 4x or 5x but there are a few that call it home. I cant stand the place, I hate the sandstorm thing >:o

The 4x is the party capital of FP :) It is pretty much always busy and it is full of people who constantly want to fight everyone. There is usually so much going on between PKers, 1v1, trading, pokes, abyss wars etc that anyone can slip by unnoticed to go and grind. If the 2x and 3x are empty you can bet the 4x is full of stunned green people xD

The 5x is fun to an extent. There is more often than not some arrogant moron that has to just kill everyone on sight taking the fun socialising part away from the abyss. These are usually charmed/scrolled mages that like to brag about their KPs and how they can own anyone. Grow up knackersack, the novelty of your shiny new nova will soon wear off -.-

I dont go to the Uru FP so I dont know much about them. But from the little experience I have of them it seems more about 1v1 than PKing and the attitudes of people there seem to have shifted more towards not sympathy, more apathy for the people there to grind. If people come close enough to be PK'd they will but no one seems to be chasing down a kill. Still, like I say I haven't had much experience in them so I could be wrong.

[shopsann]

I know once that I was on my archer and this guy just kept trying to kill me cuz my noob archer was in Fajii_Saikoro acad. wth?
Let's see...fully +9'ed with charms fighter against my squishy archer -.-
and he wouldn't leave my archer alone D:< saying Fajii has "double standards."
I've seen people fighting each other in 7x abyss for fun I think.
No one goes in 8x abyss..almost.
and some of the 7x players go in the 9x abyss to grind so no pking there most of the time.
3x sometimes has pkers but if you avoid them and just run, they leave you alone.
4x usually has some pkers except some go afk in there, pretty much no one tries to pk to take a grinding spot
5x has some, mostly fighters who have a perm 66 >.<
6x is funny, there're these people who just camp there and wait but some people drag a huge mob of monsters out there when they're finished grinding just to try to maybe kill some of the campers xD

[smasher21]

Umm I hate to butt in here. But To be honest. I am a very Distinct (i think I used that right xP) 2x Pker. For I might use the spark cash occasionally but I never charm scroll or pot. Honestly I hate the teamers/kill the scrolls/kill the pots. Honestly I think that it's important to be a good sport when pking and always hae the best attitude. It's awesome to gain strength but it makes you feel the joy of killing a good opponent when you gain the respect. Wow actually I think I got off topic but I think you get the point right? I really hate when people whine about dying you stroll in a pvp area thinking someone wont kill you. to be honest It's bound to happen. ..): iHope this was helpful in anyway but this is only from my perspective as a 2x pker in Apoline. G'day mate. <3

[RyaikenDune]

7x abyss is not nice ;O;

But assassertin person leveled out of it on bijou so maybe it's nicer than I remember lol

Oh and gutty aint there either D:

LOL.

But yeah o.o Abysses on Bijou are k. There'll always be rtarded nublets in 2x and 3x but I stress on the rtarded part. They're sooo dumb. You can attack them from behind the tent and they're liek DUUUUH WHUT I DIEDED?

I seriously don't know why people have trouble with pkers. IMO the batch of 7x Abyss pkers from when I was grinding were a particularly bloodthirsty bunch of axe-wielding psychos. But cause I was so into the whole abyss war thing and I didn't really give a fk about exp, I was left alone... except for mutual damage tests lmao.

As for my take on abysses (I can have a take on the nublet abysses cause I have chars on Cypion now... on the Bijou Shadowbyrd, when I was a nub there were no pkers.... um... at all?)

2x: Idiots.
3x. What the hell sort of low-self-esteem pker hangs here? *cough* Crumm *cough*... but he's gone so it's empty lol.
4x: O.O Surprisingly full on Cypion... but usually fighting each other so you won't get killed unless you walk in and say "Fighters are smelly"
5x: Lotsa people hang here but it's a fairly social bunch.
6x: Big 1v1 Scene in Cypion.
7x: On Bijou pkers are rare and sociable and pretty much only pick on whiners. I've actually been commended for fighting back multiple times loool. On Cypion, only been there like 6-7 times but it's generally pker-free.
8x: What the hell sort of low-self-esteem pker hangs here?
9x: Bijou, Good number of wars, and lots of cowards who'd jump at the chance to kill off an exploring low-level (moi), but overall a fun place to chill. Don't ask me why I used to hang out there... I usually just pulled large mobs for 7x and 8x mages to level o.o. I'd get 1 exp per kill and they'd get tonnes lol.

[Eldor]

6x on Legel, at least what I see, has some campers from time to time. I was attacked once in 6x by a cleric but I was cookied so it didnt work out well for the cleric. :p.

However about 8 months ago or so in 7x on Legel I was pretty much used to daily "wars." It was kinda fun having 10 people in abyss just hammering and bashing each other and whining about who killed who etc etc....That was actually pretty fun o.o. Having a war in abyss o.o.

[Ex.plode]

Well let me speak for Teva from a 2x PKers point of view.

In the 2x scrollers/charmers are killed on sight. We do not like scrolls and charms whatsoever in the 2x. We do kill everyone and anyone including each other and regardless of level. We are polite and stick to the rules at all times as we know that people are always looking for a chance to get a PKer banned for any reason. Yes we do wear godly ZK gears and +9s but anyone be damned that tries to tell me that I cant wear them. I worked hard for the ability to be able to afford those gears and it's my right to wear them for whatever activity I choose. If you don't like it go get your own and come back then we will talk. As for main flaunting that does happen sometimes. But usually only the people who decide that they can make a 2x PKer cos they have a 9x and once went to BZ. These people don't stay for long because "stfu I have a 9x go to BZ and fight me bish" will get you spam killed.


Lol .

[Gnocide]

All PKers who PK for kill points fail. Especially since 99.99% of the KP PKers have come from the noobs who get 1 shot.

[lil_gini]

All PKers who PK for kill points fail. Especially since 99.99% of the KP PKers have come from the noobs who get 1 shot.

agreed o_ô
well, when i went into 2x with my nub looong time ago there were almost no pkers at all, when i entered with my current char with my hubby there would always be some hella bored ppl freakin spawn killing us... (i didnt know u could report that at that time)
5x: bunch of bored ppl fighting each others... stay out of the bunch and u wont get hit...
6x: geez, theres enough ppl to kill right at the entrance, why chase lowlevels thru the abyss? no life or what!? -_-
7x: scrible... now that i outlvld u so far i kind feel like u might be a nice guy =^-^= everyone else beware -_- that guy has no hobbies, pks without hestitation, mercy or reason... same for everyone else pking there -_- i hated it.
8x: nooone around...
9x: omfg, i wanted to test my dmg in there and quietly pass someone... when i realize i am being attacked i fight back and what the fack do i see? a mage whose lvl i cant even see has to pot against my paper!? rofl -_- other than that guy i never met anyone in there... ._.

in general i hate pkers...
kill sum1 once cuz u are a pker... fine
kill sum1 twice cuz ur very bored... gah, fine
but learn where u should stop Ò_ó
dont call us whiners when u dont know where to stop, cuz its no fun gettin spawn killd or killed over and over again when u try to avoid fights and said "stop"!!!!

[corleone1031]

To be honest, I can't belive there are people who seriously have such little life outside of Fiesta, that they restart their game just to kill people using the money they earned on their main. That makes me think that if a Muslim suicide bombed to get his 72 virgins, most of them would be PK'ers from Fiesta. Tsk tsk tsk.

[ToHoly]

From what I found in my past 3 months...most Pkers for the most part have garbage gears. I remember when I was lvl 40 on Hidan. I'd go into like 4x and trash some of the pkers with my friend truth. Just the other day we were trashing ppl in 6x and 7x and even 8x. I swear some 7x guy was missing like no tomorrow on my 60 fighter LOL

[Orchids_Mantis]

"PKer" in most cases is another term for "heavy sparkcash user". Which is what most PKers rely on in order to PK.

[c8itlyn]

Lol.

Lol at what?
It's true.

If you want proof come to 2x to PK. Then after a little while scroll up or charm to PK and watch how quickly you are attacked. ;)

[Ex.plode]

Lol at what?
It's true.

If you want proof come to 2x to PK. Then after a little while scroll up or charm to PK and watch how quickly you are attacked. ;)

Lets get this out of the way first, I have nothing against pk'ing, people like it, I occaisonally do it too :p

But seriously, "We kill anyone with scrolls or charms on sight" is what I lol'd at.

For one, I know many pkers who charm & scroll up (not all the time) ((on teva)) and scrolls are almost a necessity to have a modest exp/hour gain in 2x abyss.

[weird_teen24]

Lol at what?
It's true.

If you want proof come to 2x to PK. Then after a little while scroll up or charm to PK and watch how quickly you are attacked. ;)

I see more pk'ers w/o sc than with massive amount of angel set and crit helm and stuff.......and their from 2x-4x abyss.........
edit:
arrgg i quoted the wrong person x.x this was meant at orchard

[ToHoly]

Well yo. I'm not a "Pker" but I am apart of a pking guild. Most of my friends in game are Pkers/ Guildies. I'd have to agree tho that out of all my guildies my characters have the least amount of SC. I don't got a lot of money irl and most ppl that know me, know that much. I work hard in-game and I'm pretty lucky when it comes to getting really nice drops. I'd have to say that my gears are among the best for a lvl 50 fighter in my server (pre- nerf 40 dex kick set plus 9, High end/ dex 46 helm, plus 3 GGK rings with over 25 dex and 25 end each, plus 0 cursed tooth with over 10 in every stat. My bloody gem isn't that great, 8 end, 7 dex, 7 str, and 5 spr plus 3, but I'm looking for better xD. I can't forget my plus 9 lvl 50 blue axe which is pretty good too.)
I admit I don't really need to use SC, but it helps since the only thing I do basically is farm GGK/ Honeying and BoD.
p.s Some Pkers aren't that nice. I admit that about a month and a half ago when I was newby with no gears I used to get Pked by a lot of these Pkers but then I got godly shiz so I could defend myself xD.

Edit: it's kool because I've made a fair amount of stone money since newbs look to me as their savior in abyss, and always add me as master just for protection xD

[Panzehao]

2x abyss = people who just want to kill random stuff seriously there is no challange at all in there i don't see the point in it some people do.
3x abyss = quiet
4x abyss = most pker in there are people who can't lvl for crap they are stuck so they hang around in 4x abyss thinking they are cool pking people, good 95% of those people can't lvl thats y they hang around killing people with charms on or fully cashed all scrolled up thinking they are cool for some reason.
5x and 6x abyss = just stay out of the entrance area where people fight and its fine
7x = probbly the same as before thought some people kill for spots, my pt got kill and we were just freaken afking in the hall way too idk people got issues.
8x = empty lol
9x = only pked on in there and i was lvl 7x grinding form 72-75 this random mage kept stealing my buff then she was too stupid and got hit by my dev and got pwned by the mobs and called me a pker and got me killed by a monster then i turn around 3 hit her and she ran off it was funny =X

[siamese_cat]

2x abyss is just plain cheap to pk in, people who go there are either to go protect 2x players(not many people) from the 3x pkers , and the 3x pkers find it easy to pk there because they simply can't afford to pk in say 9x, 7x,6x,5x

[thedreamer7]

2x abyss = people who just want to kill random stuff seriously there is no challange at all in there i don't see the point in it some people do.
3x abyss = quiet
4x abyss = most pker in there are people who can't lvl for crap they are stuck so they hang around in 4x abyss thinking they are cool pking people, good 95% of those people can't lvl thats y they hang around killing people with charms on or fully cashed all scrolled up thinking they are cool for some reason.
5x and 6x abyss = just stay out of the entrance area where people fight and its fine
7x = probbly the same as before thought some people kill for spots, my pt got kill and we were just freaken afking in the hall way too idk people got issues.
8x = empty lol
9x = only pked on in there and i was lvl 7x grinding form 72-75 this random mage kept stealing my buff then she was too stupid and got hit by my dev and got pwned by the mobs and called me a pker and got me killed by a monster then i turn around 3 hit her and she ran off it was funny =X
yay pkers xD thats so me rex

[yaseeda]

I never was able to understand pkers and probly never will. If you doing it for ranking> well more-less decent reason, but imho its easier to hire 15 low lvls for silver and spam kill them till u get required amount. This would be way faster and less nerves consuming.

Majority of pkers are low lvls, and only reason I can think (beside ranking) is that they failed to lvl theirs main char and got stuck at some point. So they invested all money from main char to low lvl pker, where everything cheap, and just picking on people, trying to prove that they cool and achieved something.

Gets really funny when they attack some high lvl player that tries to lvl his/her alt :D Relog, war, and here we go, lvl 100 soloes whole guild of 3x pkers xD

[Panzehao]

yay pkers xD thats so me rex

yaya but i know your pro at it and you don't abuse people about it eitherXD

[shawnpm810]

Pker's are an annoying aspect to abyss farming. However, they do help with Nub Control. I personally dont like PvP as its boring. Whats a Kill Point to me...not jack. Why the Red Text? Making a "Bold Statement". LOL

Dont like to be Pk'd....then stay the heck outta the abyss. Its that simple.

[thedreamer7]

I never was able to understand pkers and probly never will. If you doing it for ranking> well more-less decent reason, but imho its easier to hire 15 low lvls for silver and spam kill them till u get required amount. This would be way faster and less nerves consuming.

Majority of pkers are low lvls, and only reason I can think (beside ranking) is that they failed to lvl theirs main char and got stuck at some point. So they invested all money from main char to low lvl pker, where everything cheap, and just picking on people, trying to prove that they cool and achieved something.

Gets really funny when they attack some high lvl player that tries to lvl his/her alt :D Relog, war, and here we go, lvl 100 soloes whole guild of 3x pkers xD

actually in teva. if you plan to make super godly lvl 36 fighter it will cost a whole load of money. haha. i know this one guy... spent 35g i think on one pair of godly mighty boots :P
so i guess it all depends on what "cheap" is to people

[squirrelbuddy]

My main concern.....is that these lower lvls ARE lvling so fast because of the towers that they will eventually catch up and the higher abysses will change into 2x-3x. As of right now the 5x-7x are okay as long as you're not bad mouthing and ksing and LOOK tough. But all the same.... I dread the day that those immature peeps get to my lvl....which will be soon since it takes me a lot of work lol......@_@

[WolfAngel9414]

Teva's Version:

2x - Does not require any PvP skill. Largely full of grammar-challenged noobs whose "epic main" is below 60 [often a 5x pker] and will not show up when they tell you to go to FBZ2 to get your main pwnt.

3x - Dead except for the "pkers" who sit in there with their pker buddies and do nothing. Usually maintain no interest in passing 2x/3x's. 3DFacebook

4x - Slightly more advanced than 2x. Empty 70% of the time - noobs usually make it in there alive because PKers are too busy boasting to one another to notice them.

5x - Active most of the time - full of 6x's who lurv each other laik alwayz - their usual activities consist of killing anyone and everyone who does not stand any chance at all and laughing about it. Will not hesitate to gank you if you poke one of them without properly groveling. Also known as the hangout for past 2x pkers who paid someone in SC to plvl them.

6x - Mostly occupied by afk pkers who got tired of waiting for something to come inside. Home of the most abyss wars out of all.

7x - If you're 8x, no one cares. If you're 7x, you still have a chance of winning so no one cares. If you're 5x/6x you're the equivalent of dead meat for a bored pker.

8x - This shouldn't exist. Bot central for some servers.

9x - Decent grind spot for lower levels, used to be sparsely populated by 10x's looking to kill each other. Not so much anymore.

Not a large difference between servers.

[corleone1031]

Can't we all agree pk'ers are fails at life?

[yuoijkl]

well i dunno i just dont like it that people kill you if your 1not even wanting to fight and 2if your like 6 lvls lower then them but all you said is true

[soulofdarkness]

Nite just started the flame war

[weird_teen24]

well to be honest that is true, in my case :D
/loser 14 year old :c

[FrostyFruit]

2x: I'm like all alone and then an army of nubs come in and kill me.
3x: I feel safe and then there are fighters...
4x: Nub archers spamming me with their new skill.
5x: Mages, 5k hper fighters, me running away or hiding.
6x: Nubs are everywhere. I feel safer because I can blend in. Woot.
7x: 8x nubs killing others. I avoid this.
8x: Safe.
9x: Anyone in here?

It has always been the same for me and every now and then...one pker is known and I avoid at all cost.

[Zamacka]

2x- The lowest of all abysses. Gives pkers a worse name then they've already acquired. EX. If you run from them they will throw on a speed scroll. If you throw on a speed scroll they automatically give up.
3x- I like the 3d facebook analogy. Unless your just Trying to get pked they will usually sit there.

4x-This place reminds me of all the prison T.V. shows. Theirs usually a pretty decent amount of tension between some people and it will eventually erupt into a war and then fizzle out. Its actually kind of fun to hang their if you aren't concerned about exp.

5x-Seems like a lot of drama. Some people take it way to seriously, but for the most part the people are pretty cool.

6x-mmm mostly just a pvp ground. For the most part pking lower levels is discouraged and will lead to you being spawned for doing so.

7x-Kind of reminds me of 4x. Although usually isnt as active. I like that 6x abyss people venture there and makes for an interesting time.

8x-dead

9x-ehh, mostly grinders. Sometimes there are some big 1 on 1s here that tons of people gather around to watch.

[corleone1031]

Can we all just get along, but not with pk'ers?

[domdom990]

My main is DBK_REBORN! You don't DARE to touch me in 2x abyss...!

Who cares if you DBK_REBORN, i would atk your main if i didnt mind wasting my time:)

[hiro9]

Because as you level into the higher level abysses, exp becomes more precious. This is why higher level people go to fbz's rather than abysses. Whereas in 2x, exp isnt as much of a concern.

well :/ not exactly as i can see..maby its just a mage thing but at lv 73 which im at being killed in pvp by a person i only lose like maby 30k whereas if i die to a monster i lose like 3-400k lol my choice...rather be pked then die to npc but still like u mention id rather go to fbz1 before anything else xD

[kyorastryker]

I don't have much of an opinion on any other Abyss other than 6x on Apoline, but I can shed some light on the matter.

» Fifty percent of all incoming players ask this (annoying question): "Can you plvl me please?" Of course, it's not as grammatically correct as I said it, but you get the drift.
» Thirty percent come in as small groups and oftentimes are looking to grind. Included in this percentage are those who come in to solo.
» Ten percent are fails who think they're epic and awesome, although not usually pkers.
» Seven percent are competent, well-built and well-equipped pvpers. Unfortunately, most of the pkers in 6x fall into this category.
» The remaining three percent (of which I fall into this category) are practically inhabitants of 6x, who sit in mushies/SC houses, dance, socialize, (seldom) offer help to those who want to level, and kill pkers that pick on low levels. Everyone in this small percentage of 6x's population has excellent gear and is well-suited to hold their own in pvp, but don't really do anything other than use it as common grounds to socialize.

Once more, I can't speak for any other Abyss on Apoline, mainly because I live in 6x.

[JOHNNYPOOPOOPANTS]

Cypion abyss' from 2x to 5x are usually dead empty.

I run a guild for (mostly) 36-60 players, and the best 4x fighters chill with me there. :D

[carterbisya]

Pkers arent the problem as much as people who complain about them. If i yelled come get the pkers in 5x, no one would come, but the second said people got killed they would loose it. It takes all kinds.

[weird_teen24]

well since I've been pk'd on 3 servers and well I got a half lazy pk'er on teva 20 abyss here's my opinion
kinds of people that get pk'd
-leave abyss right after being killed
-say "OMFG WT F WHY DID YOU KILL ME!!?"
-come back at level 30 or so tier 3'd
-come into abyss call everyone fail and get spammed and cause drama upon themselves
-come to abyss at level x6 tier 3'd and pots and warps and says inappropriate stuff :c

kinds of pk'ers from what I've seen
-people who just house and rarely kill people (kinda like me and a friend in abyss)
-sc'd out fighter who rampages anyone who walks in he don't know or like
-person who only kills teamers
-person who selectively pk's only 3x's (kinda like me)
-dude who always comes in and tier 3's and attacks people randomly (but does not kill) and everyone hates.
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kinda off topic but is it true bijou's 2x/3x pk'ers are beast and kp horess? and that epith 2x/3x abyss is plentiful and fun?

[Dthugtherealist]

Yea the 2x and 3x on Bijou are nuts.

[c8itlyn]

Teva's Version:

2x - Does not require any PvP skill. Largely full of grammar-challenged noobs whose "epic main" is below 60 [often a 5x pker] and will not show up when they tell you to go to FBZ2 to get your main pwnt.


1. Attacking grammar is overused. In fact, the fact that we have standardised spelling and grammar has had a hugely detrimental effect on language development. Before the development of the dictionary, languages were growing and expanding and becoming hugely diverse and colourful. People like you broke the evolution of human communication. Sometimes it is ok to construct sentences properly, sumtimes its k 2 type like dis 2 kk? I want you to remember that next time you use the old (dull) "lrn2 grammar".

2. Mains main mains. Mains have no place in the 2x. If a PKer has an epic main they don't hide behind it. The only mention of mains comes from a victim of a PK usually in the form of "meet me in bz2" And yeah, PKers dont go to bz when you ask them to. Why should they? If they wanted to go to bz they would already be there. But they don't, they want to be in the 2x and you are the person that came to the place they want to be in.

3. Where does this fallacy that the 2x requires no skill come from. For the most part people in there are evenly matched when it comes to gears and therefore knowing how to play your class and how to use your skills becomes very important. Example, A fighter that uses Stun - Faceroll is gonna lose 9/10 times to a fighter that uses Imm - Stun - Slash - Phit - Bone - Demo.So you see, until you actually come to the 2x and hang out there and 1v1 a few people you have no right imo to judge the skills requires to win a 1v1 in there. Like I say everyone almost is evenly matched. In fact there are only 2 uber super godly fighters that frequent the place and they are mainly passive when it comes to PKing and they are both very skilled and they are both awesome people too.


well since I've been pk'd on 3 servers and well I got a half lazy pk'er on teva 20 abyss here's my opinion
kinds of people that get pk'd
-leave abyss right after being killed
-say "OMFG WT F WHY DID YOU KILL ME!!?"
-come back at level 30 or so tier 3'd
-come into abyss call everyone fail and get spammed and cause drama upon themselves
-come to abyss at level x6 tier 3'd and pots and warps and says inappropriate stuff :c

kinds of pk'ers from what I've seen
-people who just house and rarely kill people (kinda like me and a friend in abyss)
-sc'd out fighter who rampages anyone who walks in he don't know or like
-person who only kills teamers
-person who selectively pk's only 3x's (kinda like me)
-dude who always comes in and tier 3's and attacks people randomly (but does not kill) and everyone hates.
-drunk mage that kills whomever she feels like killing until she passes out
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kinda off topic but is it true bijou's 2x/3x pk'ers are beast and kp horess? and that epith 2x/3x abyss is plentiful and fun?

I kinda added one to your list Chaos xD <3

[fpser]

To be honest, I can't belive there are people who seriously have such little life outside of Fiesta, that they restart their game just to kill people using the money they earned on their main. That makes me think that if a Muslim suicide bombed to get his 72 virgins, most of them would be PK'ers from Fiesta. Tsk tsk tsk.

Please Do not put down or make a comparison with another religion or culture to show your point as it is completely off topic and is stereotypical. If you want to say stuff like that then please keep your harsh words to yourself as Muslims are just stereotyped as terrorists which is not true and the world doesnt want to look or think outside the square as they think what the media shows them is true.

[firemage111]

Hmm for cypion like Johhny Said
2x:pretty empty :D
3x,4x=ghost town
5x=rarely see a pker,
6x=argument over spots.Maybe even abby war o3o
7x=Battle for spots too.
8x=................................
9x=:Iono :3
Edit pretty empty;

[weird_teen24]

1. Attacking grammar is overused. In fact, the fact that we have standardised spelling and grammar has had a hugely detrimental effect on language development. Before the development of the dictionary, languages were growing and expanding and becoming hugely diverse and colourful. People like you broke the evolution of human communication. Sometimes it is ok to construct sentences properly, sumtimes its k 2 type like dis 2 kk? I want you to remember that next time you use the old (dull) "lrn2 grammar".

2. Mains main mains. Mains have no place in the 2x. If a PKer has an epic main they don't hide behind it. The only mention of mains comes from a victim of a PK usually in the form of "meet me in bz2" And yeah, PKers dont go to bz when you ask them to. Why should they? If they wanted to go to bz they would already be there. But they don't, they want to be in the 2x and you are the person that came to the place they want to be in.

3. Where does this fallacy that the 2x requires no skill come from. For the most part people in there are evenly matched when it comes to gears and therefore knowing how to play your class and how to use your skills becomes very important. Example, A fighter that uses Stun - Faceroll is gonna lose 9/10 times to a fighter that uses Imm - Stun - Slash - Phit - Bone - Demo.So you see, until you actually come to the 2x and hang out there and 1v1 a few people you have no right imo to judge the skills requires to win a 1v1 in there. Like I say everyone almost is evenly matched. In fact there are only 2 uber super godly fighters that frequent the place and they are mainly passive when it comes to PKing and they are both very skilled and they are both awesome people too.



I kinda added one to your list Chaos xD <3

-----<3 hart flour

[carterbisya]

1. Attacking grammar is overused. In fact, the fact that we have standardised spelling and grammar has had a hugely detrimental effect on language development. Before the development of the dictionary, languages were growing and expanding and becoming hugely diverse and colourful. People like you broke the evolution of human communication. Sometimes it is ok to construct sentences properly, sumtimes its k 2 type like dis 2 kk? I want you to remember that next time you use the old (dull) "lrn2 grammar".



*face + palm*

While I whole heartedly agree that attacking grammar is overused, I hardly believe that people like "him" broke the evolution of human communication. In fact we don't really need languages to communicate. we communicate through emotion, language is a medium by which we explain the intricacies of those emotions.

When a person decides to attack an individual on the premise of a typo, it is normally because they have exhausted their list of b.s. arguments. And it is all they have left. Some exempt examples exist. such as this sentence:

"Your freaking Stupip!1 cant you evenn spel good?!

the hypocrisy in the aforementioned is one that would warrant pointing out their horrible grammar if merely to explain the contradiction.

Then again, I doubt an individual with an attitude and spelling that atrocious would grasp anything that sensible.

[RyaikenDune]

Example, A fighter that uses Stun - Faceroll is gonna lose 9/10 times to a fighter that uses Imm - Stun - Slash - Phit - Bone - Demo.


If pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6 and then hitting whatever skill cools down first is your idea of skill, then you don't deserve to call it pvp. This is actually one of the reasons I'm highly prejudiced against fighters below 8x.



Where does this fallacy that the 2x requires no skill come from. For the most part people in there are evenly matched when it comes to gears and therefore knowing how to play your class and how to use your skills becomes very important.


That "fallacy" comes from your statement above. What your example clarified to one and all is that the skill level of a "good" fighter at 2x is the skill level of even the most retarded fighter at 6x. At a level of 3x. when you have only six god damn pvp-useful skills, the maximum skill level possible is quite low. So eventually, it does boil down to who has the best gears/SC/etc which eventually boils down to whoever has the highest main and the biggest wallet.



So you see, until you actually come to the 2x and hang out there and 1v1 a few people you have no right imo to judge the skills requires to win a 1v1 in there.


I have done this. The results were pathetic. The "top pkers" of Cypion lost to a full white geared full str archer. The reasons they lost is a simple one. As a cheap-as-hell and non-serious 6x archer on Bijou, I had pretty much grown accustomed to fighting people with much much better gears/levels/SC/class than me. As a pker who hides out in his or her capped abyss, you essentially preset the maximum gear/level/SC of your opponents. If you are at the cap of this gear/level/SC pyramid you are essentially almost invincible in 1v1 combat.

Concussive charge in particular was fking hilarious. I loved the flowery language hurled at me whenever I physically dodged it's range. If you ever get stunned in 2x abyss, then consider yourself a nublet.



Like I say everyone almost is evenly matched. In fact there are only 2 uber super godly fighters that frequent the place and they are mainly passive when it comes to PKing and they are both very skilled and they are both awesome people too.


Unfortunately, the maximum skill level possible for a fighter of that level is knowing which skills to use in what order. And that's almost the minimum skill level possible at say 7x. This pretty much sums up my arguement.

[weird_teen24]

threads like these stereotype pk'ers, negatively and positively either fail grammar and fail and then theres dudes who are hardcore and have like 107 KP's or something.
if I don't want to use proper grammar on the internet I can
if I want to randomly kill someone that I have the ability to kill, I can
if I want to just rest in my house with my passive bro's and let some 2x mage walk and grind I can
if I wanna be a real *censored* and say how awesome I am, I can
I can do even more stereotypes and a non-stereotype
everyone are different, its bogus to generalize, I just hope you don't generalize in real life and be prejudice to people of other races or religion.

[c8itlyn]

*face + palm*

While I whole heartedly agree that attacking grammar is overused, I hardly believe that people like "him" broke the evolution of human communication. In fact we don't really need languages to communicate. we communicate through emotion, language is a medium by which we explain the intricacies of those emotions.

What? You sound like a tree hugger. Yes people like "him" did break the evolution of human communication. It was people with the same like minded idea as "him" that decided we should all speak and spell and punctuate the same regardless of the situation.

so yarly "him" got all like "ya doin it wrong omgosh" and i was all "lol grow up"


If pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6 and then hitting whatever skill cools down first is your idea of skill, then you don't deserve to call it pvp. This is actually one of the reasons I'm highly prejudiced against fighters below 8x.

That "fallacy" comes from your statement above. What your example clarified to one and all is that the skill level of a "good" fighter at 2x is the skill level of even the most retarded fighter at 6x. At a level of 3x. when you have only six god damn pvp-useful skills, the maximum skill level possible is quite low. So eventually, it does boil down to who has the best gears/SC/etc which eventually boils down to whoever has the highest main and the biggest wallet.

As you spend longer and longer as a Lv36 fighter you can see where you are going wrong and where you need to improve in your fights. The skill required comes from experience. Knowing how to order your skills 1-2-3-4-5-6 isn't just a guess. I can guarantee you that if evenly matched fighters in gears exactly the same but one fighter had been a Lv36 PKer for a long time and the other had only recently started PKing the older PKer would win almost every time.


I have done this. The results were pathetic. The "top pkers" of Cypion lost to a full white geared full str archer. The reasons they lost is a simple one. As a cheap-as-hell and non-serious 6x archer on Bijou, I had pretty much grown accustomed to fighting people with much much better gears/levels/SC/class than me. As a pker who hides out in his or her capped abyss, you essentially preset the maximum gear/level/SC of your opponents. If you are at the cap of this gear/level/SC pyramid you are essentially almost invincible in 1v1 combat.

What? I said spend time in the 2x not 5x. Also I have no idea what point you are trying to make with this :confused:


Concussive charge in particular was fking hilarious. I loved the flowery language hurled at me whenever I physically dodged it's range. If you ever get stunned in 2x abyss, then consider yourself a nublet.

Are you kidding? Lol this statement pretty much proves you have zero experience in the 2x. You cant dodge stun. If you are out of its range the animation wont start and if you are in its range and the animation does start you cant dodge it.. Its gonna land or miss. Its as simple as that. Srsly.... Lol.



Unfortunately, the maximum skill level possible for a fighter of that level is knowing which skills to use in what order. And that's almost the minimum skill level possible at say 7x. This pretty much sums up my arguement.

One of them has a 9x and one has a 10x. Trust me they are both VERY skilled.

[DemonEyeKyo]

hi D:

i rarely state my opinion these time since im quiiiiite inactive but
i think everyone that goes in abyss and wait at the entrance
deserve to die kind of D:

and why?

well if these people wait at the entrance its cause they r obviously there to pk in a way or another .-.

but yeah people mostly prey on people weaker than em, and if someone with a better equipped char well sc or just equip/stuff get in and murder em... theyll be like :*** nub etc etc

but if someone does want to grind and the people at the entrance spawn kill him, preventing him to get to grinding spot... to me its just plain harrassment

if ur killing someone that grind just cause ur hunting for killpoints... thats plain evil

trust me in the lv 10x guild noone ever care bout kps, ull get no recognition for it... at best people will dislike u for murdering the innocent.. lol

but yeah if u murder someone or even a party to take over a grinding spot... fair to me



just wanted to state my opinion... and i think probly lotsa people share my view on it

and yeah me too i do have a lowby 36 that i use in 2x abyss/bijou sometime, its called oyk... D:

since i wait at the entrance with no intent to grind i just deserve to die D:

[Dthugtherealist]

hi D:

i rarely state my opinion these time since im quiiiiite inactive but
i think everyone that goes in abyss and wait at the entrance
deserve to die kind of D:

and why?

well if these people wait at the entrance its cause they r obviously there to pk in a way or another .-.

but yeah people mostly prey on people weaker than em, and if someone with a better equipped char well sc or just equip/stuff get in and murder em... theyll be like :*** nub etc etc

but if someone does want to grind and the people at the entrance spawn kill him, preventing him to get to grinding spot... to me its just plain harrassment

if ur killing someone that grind just cause ur hunting for killpoints... thats plain evil

trust me in the lv 10x guild noone ever care bout kps, ull get no recognition for it... at best people will dislike u for murdering the innocent.. lol

but yeah if u murder someone or even a party to take over a grinding spot... fair to me



just wanted to state my opinion... and i think probly lotsa people share my view on it

and yeah me too i do have a lowby 36 that i use in 2x abyss/bijou sometime, its called oyk... D:

since i wait at the entrance with no intent to grind i just deserve to die D:

Wise words yo from one of the greatest to ever do it.

[RyaikenDune]

Are you kidding? Lol this statement pretty much proves you have zero experience in the 2x. You cant dodge stun. If you are out of its range the animation wont start and if you are in its range and the animation does start you cant dodge it.. Its gonna land or miss. Its as simple as that. Srsly.... Lol.Really, that's incredibly odd. Because it's wrong ^^. Concussive Charge can be screwed over by a last minute reposition of your character because it is a single target skill, as opposed to say Devastate which, as an AoE, always lands, sometimes even glitching outside its range. Haven't you ever played stun tag for god's sake?

And my point about the 6x thing is if you spend time playing with dragons, you get really good at killing bunnies. If, by capping your gears etc for 2x abyss, you've set up a parameter of the maximum ability of the opponent you can face, you can never face someone while you're at your a serious disadvantage, which is not conducive to the display of skill.

A level 36 maxed gears fighter beating a level 36 maxed gears fighter <<<< a level 64 archer beating an 8x fighter. But unfortunately, the former is the best match you're ever going to get in the 2x abyss.



hi D:

i rarely state my opinion these time since im quiiiiite inactive but
i think everyone that goes in abyss and wait at the entrance
deserve to die kind of D:

and why?

well if these people wait at the entrance its cause they r obviously there to pk in a way or another .-.

but yeah people mostly prey on people weaker than em, and if someone with a better equipped char well sc or just equip/stuff get in and murder em... theyll be like :*** nub etc etc

but if someone does want to grind and the people at the entrance spawn kill him, preventing him to get to grinding spot... to me its just plain harrassment

if ur killing someone that grind just cause ur hunting for killpoints... thats plain evil

trust me in the lv 10x guild noone ever care bout kps, ull get no recognition for it... at best people will dislike u for murdering the innocent.. lol

but yeah if u murder someone or even a party to take over a grinding spot... fair to me



just wanted to state my opinion... and i think probly lotsa people share my view on it

and yeah me too i do have a lowby 36 that i use in 2x abyss/bijou sometime, its called oyk... D:

since i wait at the entrance with no intent to grind i just deserve to die D:Holy fk it's DemonEye O.O
*bows*
One of the greatest mages ever to play.

[aperturelaboratories]

[super major off topic]


1. Attacking grammar is overused. In fact, the fact that we have standardised spelling and grammar has had a hugely detrimental effect on language development. Before the development of the dictionary, languages were growing and expanding and becoming hugely diverse and colourful. People like you broke the evolution of human communication. Sometimes it is ok to construct sentences properly, sumtimes its k 2 type like dis 2 kk? I want you to remember that next time you use the old (dull) "lrn2 grammar".
With respect, your argument has more holes than aged Swiss. The ultimate purpose of language is communication, and without some sort of standardization, without some "rules," there can be no real language, and thus no communication. Grammatical standards were developed so that the people using a given language used it in more or less the same way, and thus could communicate clearly with that language. It is rather analagous to the metric and English measurement systems: if one engineer measures in meters and the other measures in feet, whatever they try to build together is going to be a complete disaster because they did not work with a standard system. If everyone who claimed to be speaking English used it however they wanted and spelled it however they wanted, no one would really be speaking a cohesive language.

This is not to say that the rules should be immutable (a long-lived fallacy in some linguistic circles). Languages are dynamic living things, and, contrary to what you apparently think, they are sill growing and expanding and becoming hugely diverse and colorful. The rules can, should, and have changed with them. The evolution of human communication is far from "broken."

[/off topic]

[c8itlyn]

The rules can, should, and have changed with them.

So you ultimately agree with me? :rolleyes:

On topic.

Everyone needs to just deal with it. PKers exist. There is nothing any of you can do about it and all these forum threads are futile. Oh wait. There is one thing you can do about us. You can make your own char for that level and come get us ;)

It seems to me that the attitude of the PKers is basically "I am having fun... Leave me to do my thing and you go do yours"
The attitude of the people who cry about it is "No! I dont want you to do your thing. Do my thing instead"
Amirite?

[firemage111]

^ come to 9x on Cyp and il get you ;)

[kyorastryker]

There is nothing any of you can do about it and all these forum threads are futile.

I don't necessarily think the thread was created to acknowledge the fact that PKers exist, rather, to discuss a generalized agreement on what constitutes fair fighting whilst engaged in PvP.

I've said it before, but for the sake of the argument, I'll gladly repeat it. I don't care what tactics anyone uses if they fight me. Just know that if you need to use scrolls/charms/potions and you still can't beat me, you may need to reconsider your tactics. But if I can beat someone without using the aforementioned items, I'm sure others can do the same.

[jamtheman43]

what people need to do is leave people alone. if u want to fight, go into fbz's or pvp kqs. most people go and pk lower lvls who r grinding to try and hit higher lvls. i mean all u guys know its hard enough to get from 50-70 without grinding alot, and then when u get higher, u do even more grinding. if u wanna kill someone, go someplace where they don't loose exp. Second, pots r legal in a fight. if u can use stones, u can use pots, its all fair, whereas charms r not, cuz not cuz all u r doin is tryin to make yourself look like your strong when your really not.

[firemage111]

It seems to me that the attitude of the PKers is basically "I am having fun... Leave me to do my thing and you go do yours"
Amirite?

Wait..You mind explaining this part?

[weird_teen24]

I don't necessarily think the thread was created to acknowledge the fact that PKers exist, rather, to discuss a generalized agreement on what constitutes fair fighting whilst engaged in PvP.

I've said it before, but for the sake of the argument, I'll gladly repeat it. I don't care what tactics anyone uses if they fight me. Just know that if you need to use scrolls/charms/potions and you still can't beat me, you may need to reconsider your tactics. But if I can beat someone without using the aforementioned items, I'm sure others can do the same.
I agree with you on the scrolls/charms/pots part, their lame in 1vs1's and random attacking randomly in FBZ's/abyss's.
but I disagree with you on why this certain thread was created, OP is one of those "omg *censored* pk'ers >.<" people that stereotype pk'ers. so attitudes of pk'ers is obviously a generalization.

Wait..You mind explaining this part?
its like you just want to sleep but your parents won't let you. its kinda like that XD

[c8itlyn]

Wait..You mind explaining this part?

Sure.

An Abyss PKer wants to PK in the Abyss and not have someone tell her that she shouldn't PK in the Abyss and that she should go to BZ or KQ to PK. Yet when she tells the same person trying to tell her what to do that she doesn't want to do that and she is entitled to do what she wants, that person gets in an uproar because the PKer continues to do what she wants.

Example conversation

Random - You should go to BZ if you want to PvP
PKer - I don't want to. I want to PK in the Abyss.
Random - Well that's wrong. The Abyss is a grinding area. Go to BZ.
PKer - I don't want to. I want to PK in the Abyss.
Random - Well I'm going to make a forum thread and complain that people like you wont go to BZ to PK.
PKer - I don't want to. I want to PK in the Abyss.
Random - I don't want you to PK any more and I will go out my way to prove however I can that you shouldn't PK in the Abyss.
PKer - Lol chu died.
Random - o.o #'@*£ I didn't want to be PK'd
PKer - Then stay out of the Abyss
Random - I don't want to stay out of the Abyss. You can't tell me what to do and where to go.

[weird_teen24]

why do people complain on the forums? its not like any pk'ers forum
if you have a problem go buy mighty set/regular purp or green, teir 3 and come back at level x6 and kill whoever pk'd yo, I think thats happened to me twice, one of them became one of my abyss mates and one of them was one of those dudes pretending to be a chick fighter

[firemage111]

Sure.

An Abyss PKer wants to PK in the Abyss and not have someone tell her that she shouldn't PK in the Abyss and that she should go to BZ or KQ to PK. Yet when she tells the same person trying to tell her what to do that she doesn't want to do that and she is entitled to do what she wants, that person gets in an uproar because the PKer continues to do what she wants.

Example conversation

Random - You should go to BZ if you want to PvP
PKer - I don't want to. I want to PK in the Abyss.
Random - Well that's wrong. The Abyss is a grinding area. Go to BZ.
PKer - I don't want to. I want to PK in the Abyss.
Random - Well I'm going to make a forum thread and complain that people like you wont go to BZ to PK.
PKer - I don't want to. I want to PK in the Abyss.
Random - I don't want you to PK any more and I will go out my way to prove however I can that you shouldn't PK in the Abyss.
PKer - Lol chu died.
Random - o.o #'@*£ I didn't want to be PK'd
PKer - Then stay out of the Abyss
Random - I don't want to stay out of the Abyss. You can't tell me what to do and where to go.

Mmm..This cleared it out.
Yeah..why do low lvls complain they get pked..they got gold hill..heck..now with the event..

[vietree]

You guys are freaking DUMB. Go play pokemon if you wanna collect items and fight Ai mobs. This game is about interaction. Killing you doesnt mean a pkers doesnt have a life. It simply means they are better than you. And a person with a life would recognize a simple logic. (As fiesta doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.)

But feel free to make unwarranted assumptions/declarations with no backing evidence/arguments as all you really do is make yourself look dumb. **Gets popcorn

[Dthugtherealist]

lol...... all Pk'ers seem to do is try to Control the game for people cuz they can't control any thing else. I wanna know why people feel there entitled to stop people from playing there game? Its kinda funny some Pk'ers think there gear is expensive as a 10x Players Gear when I can litterally sell a Ring and become the best Pk'er at any lvl xD

[vietree]

lol...... all Pk'ers seem to do is try to Control the game for people cuz they can't control any thing else. I wanna know why people feel there entitled to stop people from playing there game? Its kinda funny some Pk'ers think there gear is expensive as a 10x Players Gear when I can litterally sell a Ring and become the best Pk'er at any lvl xD


Talk to the game coders about that.

[Dthugtherealist]

Talk to the game coders about that.

The abyss wasn't always like this before it used to be x0-x9 with no KP's and no loss of exp upon player death now its 1-x6 with KP's and exp loss. I think its dumb that People Hype there self to 1 shot low lvls all day if the old abyss limits were back I think nobody would be in there trying to "PK".

[omni.knight]

I so know you get owned in there :D

[seredh]

Vie honey, being 16 levels above the named level of the abyss to go in and slaughter everyone doesn't make them better than me, it makes them lame.

A decent, closely leveled fight is awesome. Charming, scrolling, and mpotting to kill someone more than ten levels below them definately does not mean they're "better".

[vietree]

Vie honey, being 16 levels above the named level of the abyss to go in and slaughter everyone doesn't make them better than me, it makes them lame.

A decent, closely leveled fight is awesome. Charming, scrolling, and mpotting to kill someone more than ten levels below them definately does not mean they're "better".

Actually it makes them way better than you by your own description. I'm sure you'll come to that conclusion eventually. You seem smart.

[firemage111]

Actually it makes them way better than you by your own description. I'm sure you'll come to that conclusion eventually. You seem smart.

Fight someone your own level or higher than you and kill him/her then feel proud of yourself.not 10 lvls below you.

[vietree]

Umm and if that person has way better gear then you? Is it fair then? Just because they are the SAME level of you doesnt mean it will be a evenly matched fight either.... I fight 4-10 people at once sometimes. you do what the circumstance calls. No more, no less. Go level then come back and fail some more. Then what will your excuse be?!?!? Oh then it'll be the sparks cash, then it'll be pots...then itll be "I bet I can beat you if you don't heal."

Go work on your confidence. I've found the same people who whine about getting killed, are the same people to transfer that anger to someone weaker than them in game.

Such a viscous cycle.

[firemage111]

^ Thats why Most of Cypion hate you By the way.You charm scroll into 6x and start pking -,-

[vietree]

Yup and you are a frisky squirrel.

[weird_teen24]

Vie honey, being 16 levels above the named level of the abyss to go in and slaughter everyone doesn't make them better than me, it makes them lame.

A decent, closely leveled fight is awesome. Charming, scrolling, and mpotting to kill someone more than ten levels below them definately does not mean they're "better".

lolwut?
I've barely seen people teir 3 to pk in abyss. I've only seen some guildless 7x dude go into 6x abyss with teir 4's, and with like 4 or 5 6x/5x's he got taken down, repeatedly, and at this period I was 5x XD

[firemage111]

And vietree im suprised you werent charmed for the PVP KQ>..i epicly lol'ed.and Laughed when i got my deserved revenge :D

[aperturelaboratories]

if the old abyss limits were back I think nobody would be in there trying to "PK".
Given the PKing "culture" that has developed since that infamous patch, I suspect the PKing would continue, though perhaps on a smaller scale. I have always found it rather funny that so many PKers do not seem to understand that the abyss was deliberately unbalanced so that they could enjoy their easy kills (while often spending prodigious amounts of SC in the process, and prompting their victims to do the same).

And before the inevitable "omg its a pvp zone i can pk if i want if you dont like it stay out" rebuttal: I am not complaining about PKers PKing -- for good or ill, they are a part of the game now. I am merely being a bit contemptuous of the fact that far too many of them rely on what is, in my opinion, an obviously rigged system.




viscous
:)

[ToHoly]

Pk-ing is basically dead now. Bijou was supposed to be the "it" server. Tell me why almost all the abyss's are empty on a regular basis lol? Most of the serious Pk-ers in 2x,4x, 5x and 6x have all taken breaks/ quit or moved on to another character and lvled until things liven up again. When you do see Pk-ers in abyss most of the time they spent so much time sitting there that they afk and find other things to do xD.

[seredh]

lolwut?
I've barely seen people teir 3 to pk in abyss. I've only seen some guildless 7x dude go into 6x abyss with teir 4's, and with like 4 or 5 6x/5x's he got taken down, repeatedly, and at this period I was 5x XD

I understood the last sentence, but I don't know what you mean by the first one. T3 people?

Anyway Vie, I still maintain that killing someone considerably below your level gives you no bragging rights. Killing someone at or around your level makes you good. Killing someone above your level makes you great.

Unless, of course, they're afk vending. Then it just makes you cruel :)

[weird_teen24]

I understood the last sentence, but I don't know what you mean by the first one. T3 people?

Anyway Vie, I still maintain that killing someone considerably below your level gives you no bragging rights. Killing someone at or around your level makes you good. Killing someone above your level makes you great.

Unless, of course, they're afk vending. Then it just makes you cruel :)

Oh I guess I can make it more clear.
I have barely seen people in abyss put on teir 3 scrolls in order to pk in abyss. except for this one time this level 7x (which was guildless, so he could avoid being war'd) came into 6x abyss and put on teir 4's, he was taken down repeatedly by a five or six 5x/6x's.

Pk-ing is basically dead now. Bijou was supposed to be the "it" server. Tell me why almost all the abyss's are empty on a regular basis lol? Most of the serious Pk-ers in 2x,4x, 5x and 6x have all taken breaks/ quit or moved on to another character and lvled until things liven up again. When you do see Pk-ers in abyss most of the time they spent so much time sitting there that they afk and find other things to do xD.
I agree with this, I'm on teva and sometimes I hop through 2x-5x abyss's to find people and to just hang and they're usually empty. In 2x most people just house or chill or talk.

[LongshotFoxx]

Given the PKing "culture" that has developed since that infamous patch, I suspect the PKing would continue, though perhaps on a smaller scale. I have always found it rather funny that so many PKers do not seem to understand that the abyss was deliberately unbalanced so that they could enjoy their easy kills (while often spending prodigious amounts of SC in the process, and prompting their victims to do the same).

And before the inevitable "omg its a pvp zone i can pk if i want if you dont like it stay out" rebuttal: I am not complaining about PKers PKing -- for good or ill, they are a part of the game now. I am merely being a bit contemptuous of the fact that far too many of them rely on what is, in my opinion, an obviously rigged system.

:)

Wow, I actually never thought of that.:eek:
Great insight!:cool:

[Dthugtherealist]

Given the PKing "culture" that has developed since that infamous patch, I suspect the PKing would continue, though perhaps on a smaller scale. I have always found it rather funny that so many PKers do not seem to understand that the abyss was deliberately unbalanced so that they could enjoy their easy kills (while often spending prodigious amounts of SC in the process, and prompting their victims to do the same).

And before the inevitable "omg its a pvp zone i can pk if i want if you dont like it stay out" rebuttal: I am not complaining about PKers PKing -- for good or ill, they are a part of the game now. I am merely being a bit contemptuous of the fact that far too many of them rely on what is, in my opinion, an obviously rigged system.




:)


True lol and this is why I said what I said you expounded upon it more :D Alotta people that PK in abyss generally have no skill they usually suck at the game so to make them selves feel better they Pk. I will never understand how Hyping your self to Pick on people who just started and are way lower than you somehow makes you "better". The Pk'ers that get jumped in abyss deserve what they get. But bleh even if I start a new Char I don't need the abyss anymore I already know all the spots to go grind more efficiently now :D

[omni.knight]

I pk in abyss because I don't like waiting like 4 hrs between each pvp kq :D

[RyaikenDune]

Rofl at in-game ethics. It's a game idiots.

[Dthugtherealist]

Rofl at in-game ethics. It's a game idiots.

What you meen by this Yo lol? You know how the game was before you been around long enough so really there is nothing here to say. The wanna be pros wanna be recognized the Pros don't wanna recognize em.

[weird_teen24]

game ethics= dude you ks'd me D:

[paella]

Rofl at in-game ethics. It's a game idiots.

Obviously it is not, if you feel compelled to show a disgusting display of insult in regard to something as trivial as a game. You children really need to learn how to have a simple discussion without insulting each other.

[c8itlyn]

i pk in abyss because i don't like waiting like 4 hrs between each pvp kq :d

:d Best reason evah :d

[RyaikenDune]

What you meen by this Yo lol? You know how the game was before you been around long enough so really there is nothing here to say. The wanna be pros wanna be recognized the Pros don't wanna recognize em.

You know what I mean ^^. This pretty much stopped being "more than a game" to me at the 79 cap. Now, until I find a group of people remotely as awesome as the 2008 crowd, this is just a game.

The issues people have with low-level pking are twofold:

1. They consider it player-harassment. I do not have this issue. Yes, I suppose the game would be a lot nicer w/o pking. It was a lot nicer without pking. But also, back then, the skill levels for pvp were atrocious. Pking has turned the game into less of a "friends+community" game and more into a "skill" game. Either way, it's not our job to complain about the loss. Every game evolves over time.

2. They consider it to be full of poop. This is my issue in particular. PvP until maybe 6x is nowhere even close to pvp from 6x to 9x, which is once again nowhere close to pvp after prestige. I admit I was remotely considering the possibility of joining Eric's nub guild Jr. Mafia (was in their acad for some time), but after consistently placing in the top 3 on in pvp kq a level 45 archer full +0 npc gear and no hammer, it sorta rang home just how un-challenging low-level pvp is. IMO I'd rather be pawned by a fighter after a close close match rather than just outright destroy a fighter my level without a contest.

99% of the pkers I've met have little to no skill and relied solely on their class/gears/SC to triumph. Yes, I'd prolly need a lot more than npc gears to take out Virgil's archer, and for that I have nothing but respect. Dex ftw. Unfortunately, IMO, capping at x6 and maxing your gears leaves no room for you to ever be at a disadvantage and is therefore not conduicive to skill.

Skill, my friends, is taking out a charmed up Warlock/Wizzy on your Ranger. (Ps if anyone has screenies of the above I wanna seeeee rofl)

[weird_teen24]

:d Best reason evah :d

yo pathi girl...........give me a 2x end 46 helm or 17+ end kick/2x end 44 boot........and I'll need help inviting my 4x into NIK guild when he level's

[TheREALArcherEric]

Pking has turned the game into less of a "friends+community" game and more into a "skill" game.

Actually, it's whomever has the better team / higher leveled friends in Teva.

I'd know firsthand.

[weird_teen24]

Actually, it's whomever has the better team / higher leveled friends in Teva.

I'd know firsthand.

I know this mage chick in 2x abyss that if anyone we don't know (or don't like) attacked her......usually everyone would be on the person who attacked the mage chick :D

[c8itlyn]

Pking has turned the game into less of a "friends+community" game and more into a "skill" game.

Actually we have our own friends and community.


yo pathi girl...........give me a 2x end 46 helm or 17+ end kick/2x end 44 boot........and I'll need help inviting my 4x into NIK guild when he level's

Trade me for +9Fire pants/+9Gleam boots/+9Lv36 Mage hat all 18+ INT/DEX/END and we got a deal ;)


I know this mage chick in 2x abyss that if anyone we don't know (or don't like) attacked her......usually everyone would be on the person who attacked the mage chick :D

She must love ya all :D:D:D

[RyaikenDune]

Actually we have our own friends and community.



Rofl yes. A community constructed at the expense of the overall community. Still not b|itching. Just informing.

[c8itlyn]

Rofl yes. A community constructed at the expense of the overall community. Still not b|itching. Just informing.

The "expense" is self applied by those that choose to come to the abyss unprepared.

[RyaikenDune]

The logic is simple.

Game before abyss pking and x6 cap: Friendly community. A couple of scuffles for grind spots maybe, but other than that, no one would ever touch you in the abyss without your consent.

Game after abyss pking and x6 cap: The PvP-obsessed bloodthirsty excuse for a community we have now. Axe fighters dominate over tanks. Archers and Clerics start to fail hard. Game falls into the sorry state it's in.

Ergo, abyss pking and x6 cap was detrimental to the community.

You have absolutely no idea how amazing this game was during the 79 cap.

[c8itlyn]

Ergo, abyss pking and x6 cap was detrimental to the community.

You have absolutely no idea how amazing this game was during the 79 cap.

Detrimental to one community but seeded another. Times change. Those that hang onto old ideals are entitled too by all means but there will always be others that feel things have changed for the better.
Besides. Since the introduction of the tower and the decrease in necessity for the 2x, 3x and 4x for levelling PK rates have dropped too. We may have seen the peak of PKing already passed and things could be levelling off into how the game will ultimately turn out.

[TheREALArcherEric]

Detrimental to one community but seeded another. Times change. Those that hang onto old ideals are entitled too by all means but there will always be others that feel things have changed for the better.
Besides. Since the introduction of the tower and the decrease in necessity for the 2x, 3x and 4x for levelling PK rates have dropped too. We may have seen the peak of PKing already passed and things could be levelling off into how the game will ultimately turn out.

Says the one with 4 characters devoted to Abyss.

[weird_teen24]

The logic is simple.

Game before abyss pking and x6 cap: Friendly community. A couple of scuffles for grind spots maybe, but other than that, no one would ever touch you in the abyss without your consent.

Game after abyss pking and x6 cap: The PvP-obsessed bloodthirsty excuse for a community we have now. Axe fighters dominate over tanks. Archers and Clerics start to fail hard. Game falls into the sorry state it's in.

Ergo, abyss pking and x6 cap was detrimental to the community.

You have absolutely no idea how amazing this game was during the 79 cap.

Things change, we all move on.
community is different
teir 1 lix doesn't cost 500c or whatever it did in you old people time.
if you don't like pk'ers go get some gears and teir 3 and pot and try to kill them or just don't enter abyss (so get some plvl's or grind somewhere else). If you don't like the game go quit and just stalk/troll the forums. If you don't like me send me PM's with hateful stuff :D.

[aperturelaboratories]

Detrimental to one community but seeded another that has caused player drama to increase by a few dozen orders of magnitude, irreparably sundered the player community, further unbalanced an already lopsided game, prompted an unending procession of on-fire threads, and generally made a juvenile nuisance of itself.
I can see that you forgot to finish that thought, so I fixed it for you.

Now, you were saying something about things changing for the better?

[Dthugtherealist]

1.) They consider it player-harassment. I do not have this issue. Yes, I suppose the game would be a lot nicer w/o pking. It was a lot nicer without pking.

2.) But also, back then, the skill levels for pvp were atrocious. Pking has turned the game into less of a "friends+community" game and more into a "skill" game. Either way, it's not our job to complain about the loss. Every game evolves over time.

3.) They consider it to be full of poop. This is my issue in particular. PvP until maybe 6x is nowhere even close to pvp from 6x to 9x, which is once again nowhere close to pvp after prestige.

4.) 99% of the pkers I've met have little to no skill and relied solely on their class/gears/SC to triumph.



1.) I consider it player harrassment when people who litterally sucked at the game and coudn't make it far decide to spend most of there day or lifes even, 1 hitting low lvls who have no Idea what anything there using is all about. The game was nicer and better.

2.) To me the anxienty and anger of the community just raised so much, drama over PvP its unbelievable fails will always be fails and pro's will always be pro's, course things can change for the fails but they gotta do 360 degree turns.

3.) This is another issue 94- PvP is a joke compared to Prestige PvP you can go and fight people everyday as a Prestige who are ready for anything have uber godly everything and if they don't there working on it farming and making money. I Pkk'ed in 7x abyss till I got bored which was very quick most of the Pk'ers fail compared to me call me cookied,hacker,fail and all sorts of junk.

It turned out none of em knew what a mighty set is or what Dex is or what proper skill order is some of em would call me cookied cuz they were cookied but would get dropped. I had some of the best gear possible for my lvl my jewelry was eh ish cuz I didn't have those hyped out GOC's and whatever cuz they didn't come out yet at the time I was Pkk'ing just jewel keeper rings rofl.

All in all 94- is just a hyped out gear fest whoever has the most Dex in gear has str in build, has proper skill order, can gear switch and has a Axe will dominate simple ish nothing more nothing.

4.) Very true the lack of skill disturbs me to the very core and whats worse is that they think there PvP gods and rule there server when in fact the 10x's don't look at the LB and they could care less. I've killed so many pros so many times if they gave me KP for that none of these noobs who 1 hit weak players would be able to catch up.


The "expense" is self applied by those that choose to come to the abyss unprepared.

what kinda preparedness do you want? Nubs who come in trying to lvl and make money to be decent till the next lvl set don't have a billion sc to spend or the best gears like Pk'ers do. Back then everybody was basically on the same lvl nobody really had any advantage now the people that have an advantage are messing with people trying to survive in the game.


The logic is simple.

Game before abyss pking and x6 cap: Friendly community. A couple of scuffles for grind spots maybe, but other than that, no one would ever touch you in the abyss without your consent.

Game after abyss pking and x6 cap: The PvP-obsessed bloodthirsty excuse for a community we have now. Axe fighters dominate over tanks. Archers and Clerics start to fail hard. Game falls into the sorry state it's in.

Ergo, abyss pking and x6 cap was detrimental to the community.

You have absolutely no idea how amazing this game was during the 79 cap.

Even during 89 cap it was still pretty cool at 105 cap it declined and is still declining the Abyss patch was one of the most fail patches ever. All it did was give ego maniacs more stuff to feed on I know 10x Players who have done it all to the fullest that don't got as much Ego as these Pk'ers who have done nothing. Also yea now everybody is on PvP its either they want this gear for PvP or they wanna lvl to PvP I aint gonna lie you can hit 10x on fail gears but to not be 1-3 hit you need better gears. Alotta old pros could lvl in there sleep but PvP has caused most of these old pros to adapt or change there ways when it comes to the game. I been on 25spr rest str build end/dex gears since forever only adjustment I made was changing my wep from a BKR Axe to a HG 2h to kill Dexed out Players but then I found out HG 2h is amazing in PvE as well.


Detrimental to one community but seeded another. Times change. Those that hang onto old ideals are entitled too by all means but there will always be others that feel things have changed for the better.


Old Ideals founded this game and made it continue to what it is today none of you guys woulda got here without em. Nothing got better everything got worse to play a game were you either Drive your brain into numbness to be on top or Pick on Players just starting the game as your only option is pretty sad. I talked to so many Pk'ers who admitted they were scared to hit 10x cuz they weren't that good and prolly woudn't survive so they hide out in abysses cuz no other place is good enough for em cuz they suck in everyother aspect of the game.


Things change, we all move on.
community is different
teir 1 lix doesn't cost 500c or whatever it did in you old people time.
if you don't like pk'ers go get some gears and teir 3 and pot and try to kill them or just don't enter abyss (so get some plvl's or grind somewhere else). If you don't like the game go quit and just stalk/troll the forums. If you don't like me send me PM's with hateful stuff :D.

Typical Pk'er so oblivious to everything there is to this game if you suck you suck thats the bottom line no matter how epic you think you are killing Players that just started the game.



Detrimental to one community but seeded another that has caused player drama to increase by a few dozen orders of magnitude, irreparably sundered the player community, further unbalanced an already lopsided game, prompted an unending procession of on-fire threads, and generally made a juvenile nuisance of itself.

^-------like I said that abyss patch was the worst patch to be ever made.

[weird_teen24]

Typical Pk'er so oblivious to everything there is to this game if you suck you suck thats the bottom line no matter how epic you think you are killing Players that just started the game.


.

I wasn't referencing my self. I was talking about any pk'er in general, and to be honest my 36 and my 49 are kinda fail I mean anyone with decent aim and def can kill my 36 archer and my 49 dude only has 2.2k through 2.4k hp (switch between mighty and 4x gears) and I mean If i showed you my gears you'd laugh.

[RyaikenDune]

Things change, we all move on.
community is different
teir 1 lix doesn't cost 500c or whatever it did in you old people time.
if you don't like pk'ers go get some gears and teir 3 and pot and try to kill them or just don't enter abyss (so get some plvl's or grind somewhere else). If you don't like the game go quit and just stalk/troll the forums. If you don't like me send me PM's with hateful stuff :D.

That doesn't mean we can't strive for something better.

Rofl I have never had a problem with pkers before and I live in the abyss. I merely have a problem with the undeniable fact that they've pretty much ruined the community and their e-peen.

My arguement for the latter is simple. If you've capped at x6 and have the best gear you possibly can, you've preset the skill level of your opponents and can never be at a disadvantage. Ergo, you can never display true skill. Like I said, you wanna see skill? Go take a look at Symphonic or Imeel. Look at what happenes when a fighter devas them in their videos. That my friends is skill.

Personally, I have nothing against you. I'm not trolling or stalking with "hateful stuff". I'm merely pointing out the phenomena which have been caused by the advent of pking. IMO pking is eww. I have the right to parade that opinion do I not? IMO the abyss patch was prolly the worst thing to ever happen to fiesta. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

The community on this game has gone through the floor. You kill someone in fbz, they start a war. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's a nice idea that the abyss is dangerous. But it was dangerous for different reasons back then when it was party vs party for grinding spots. When's the last time you saw an AoE party in the abyss now? Why do you think that is?

If you've based your entire fiesta-existence on 3-hitting nublets who just started this game, that's none of my business, just know that I disagree strongly and think Fiesta'd be a lot better without that.

@ Dthug: Yeah.

[Ex.plode]

what kinda preparedness do you want? Nubs who come in trying to lvl and make money to be decent till the next lvl set don't have a billion sc to spend or the best gears like Pk'ers do. Back then everybody was basically on the same lvl nobody really had any advantage now the people that have an advantage are messing with people trying to survive in the game.


This completely changed my view on PK'ing.

More specifically the highlighted sentences.

I remember back in the day when I was a little 'ol noob trying to make my way through the game.....



*Note* not all "PK'ers" are evil jerks though, virgil (sparkID weird_teen24) is a cool dude.

[gritrunner]

That doesn't mean we can't strive for something better.

Rofl I have never had a problem with pkers before and I live in the abyss. I merely have a problem with the undeniable fact that they've pretty much ruined the community and their e-peen.

My arguement for the latter is simple. If you've capped at x6 and have the best gear you possibly can, you've preset the skill level of your opponents and can never be at a disadvantage. Ergo, you can never display true skill. Like I said, you wanna see skill? Go take a look at Symphonic or Imeel. Look at what happenes when a fighter devas them in their videos. That my friends is skill.

Personally, I have nothing against you. I'm not trolling or stalking with "hateful stuff". I'm merely pointing out the phenomena which have been caused by the advent of pking. IMO pking is eww. I have the right to parade that opinion do I not? IMO the abyss patch was prolly the worst thing to ever happen to fiesta. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

The community on this game has gone through the floor. You kill someone in fbz, they start a war. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's a nice idea that the abyss is dangerous. But it was dangerous for different reasons back then when it was party vs party for grinding spots. When's the last time you saw an AoE party in the abyss now? Why do you think that is?

If you've based your entire fiesta-existence on 3-hitting nublets who just started this game, that's none of my business, just know that I disagree strongly and think Fiesta'd be a lot better without that.

@ Dthug: Yeah.




WELL, ur last questions there... ive been aoeing in the 3x abyss with four of my freinds for about 4 days stright, if any pker is stupid enough to come near us we turn our bows at them and let our tank and cleric deal w/ the damage

[vietree]

Do you boys not get tired of having the same argument that goes in redundant circles. There has been NOTHING, and I mean nothing fresh brought to this argument.

Person one makes a point.

Person 2 Counters that point.

Person 1 then attacks person 2 about something that doesn't even relate to the discussion.

Even now, as opposed to answering my earnest question, someone will pop up and make some half witted insult as opposed to simply answering the question.

[RyaikenDune]

Do you boys not get tired of having the same argument that goes in redundant circles. There has been NOTHING, and I mean nothing fresh brought to this argument.

Person one makes a point.

Person 2 Counters that point.

Person 1 then attacks person 2 about something that doesn't even relate to the discussion.

Even now, as opposed to answering my earnest question, someone will pop up and make some half witted insult as opposed to simply answering the question.

No. Kbai.

[Dthugtherealist]

1.) If you've capped at x6 and have the best gear you possibly can, you've preset the skill level of your opponents and can never be at a disadvantage. Ergo, you can never display true skill.

2.) Like I said, you wanna see skill? Go take a look at Symphonic or Imeel. Look at what happenes when a fighter devas them in their videos. That my friends is skill.

3.)You kill someone in fbz, they start a war.

4.) If you've based your entire fiesta-existence on 3-hitting nublets who just started this game, that's none of my business, just know that I disagree strongly and think Fiesta'd be a lot better without that.




1.) Exactly why I say theres no skill in Pk'ing or I should say modern day Pk'ing.

2.) Right again nothing I'll repeat nothing compares to prestige PvP.

3.) This happens to me all the time some fail from a guild will come and unleash there full spam on me I kill em pretty soon I kill up to 10 of em at a time and the whole guilds in there hooray Im getting spammed for 2 hrs. by a whole guild of cookied players :D / Sarcasm.

4.) Agree again it's just mind boggling that these people think they have skill especially these modern Day Pk'ers. I was around when they released the Patch I know you were too Pk'ers were ruthless they would dump mobs on your aoe's kill you without saying nothing just overall abuse. Now to see Todays Pk'ers teaming up to just spam low lvl or weak players its pathetic true Pk'ing died long time ago.


This completely changed my view on PK'ing.

More specifically the highlighted sentences.

I remember back in the day when I was a little 'ol noob trying to make my way through the game.....

*Note* not all "PK'ers" are evil jerks though, virgil (sparkID weird_teen24) is a cool dude.

Yea I didn't get Pk'ed much but to see some of the stuff that was going on like 86's kicking 7x's out of 7x abyss and now this Pitifull excuse for Pk'ing idk what else to say...... and yea I did go pretty hard on virgil but that statement he made deserved it. Also yea I struggled and still struggle with making money for better gears.

[RyaikenDune]

This is what I mean. This was me on my 2nd day on Cypion, an npc-geared, full end nublet fighter. If you look carefully, you will see a team of not one. Not two. But four pking fighters ganging my pathetic level 29 butt. Not only that, but they had a cleric healing them on the side too.

http://i51.tinypic.com/al4668.jpg

As you can see, 11 hp stones later, I am finally overwhelmed. My grinding partner comes to try and back me up and is instantly slaughtered. (not in these pictures but yeah...)

http://i53.tinypic.com/rmtpgj.jpg

Now let's say I haven't raised 3 fighters to 5x and 6x on Bijou and Teva and I didn't know what I was doing. Let's say I was a nublet and this was my first character on Fiesta. Let's say I was broker than a stoker (like I was with my first ever character on Fiesta) and didn't have those t1 scrolls or that buff. Or worse, let's say I was a mage or an archer and two-hittable. That's the average joe who wanders into 2x or 3x or even 4x and is instantly put down.

Do you really think what those people were doing was in any way not retarded? Evidently, they have a wonderful little community of their own too. Three out of the five were well-known but never proved scammers as well. I do not condemn fair and consensual 1v1 fights in the abyss. Heck I think that's healthy behaviour.

But if that isn't a community in the gutters, please tell me what is? I know I know, perhaps you're going to tell me that these were the runts of the litter. But when Ryaiken capped at 36 (for ZK, which he soon gave up when I realized my archer did the job better), I was still frequently ganged by the so-called "kings and queens" of 2x when trying to help out acadies.

PS: I know this is blacklisting but I am 100% sure that all of these idiots have either quit or started up alt accounts. Scamming hurts your rep huh...

[Dthugtherealist]

Ryaiken I think we pwned em too much they don't wanna come back lol.

[RyaikenDune]

Or as they will prolly say, we're:

1. Not worth their time.
2. A bunch of poo poo faces.
3. Not going to change they're mind.

And they're.

1. Awesomesauce.
2. Free to do what they want.
3. Legends.

But yeah. Some pwning happens outside the abyss ;o

[c8itlyn]

Says the one with 4 characters devoted to Abyss.

Yes I do have 4 abyss characters. Which puts me in a better stead than most to comment on how much PKing rates have dropped recently :rolleyes:


I can see that you forgot to finish that thought, so I forced it upon you.

Now, you were saying something about things changing for the better?

Yes I believe things have changed for the better. You got a problem with my opinion? :eek:


3.) This is another issue 94- PvP is a joke compared to Prestige PvP you can go and fight people everyday as a Prestige who are ready for anything have uber godly everything and if they don't there working on it farming and making money.

All in all 94- is just a hyped out gear fest whoever has the most Dex in gear has str in build, has proper skill order, can gear switch and has a Axe will dominate simple ish nothing more nothing.

Same thing :confused: Uber godly = hyped out gears.


Old Ideals founded this game and made it continue to what it is today none of you guys woulda got here without em. Nothing got better everything got worse to play a game were you either Drive your brain into numbness to be on top or Pick on Players just starting the game as your only option is pretty sad. I talked to so many Pk'ers who admitted they were scared to hit 10x cuz they weren't that good and prolly woudn't survive so they hide out in abysses cuz no other place is good enough for em cuz they suck in everyother aspect of the game.

You have no right to presume the reason that someone is a PKer because it is their only option. I personally love the community within Eldy FP and can't stand the general population of higher level people. Most are egotistical morons who think they rule supreme because they have either spent a million quid on SC to prestige or have so little else to do that they sunk all their time into capping, in most cases both these are true. So I make a few Lv36s to hang out in a quiet spot with good friends and kill a few people. I find it a lot more fun that submitting a report every 5 minutes because someone has spot claimed a mob or spending a week looking for that RoP that will tip my HP over 10k so I can feel like I have achieved something.


Typical Pk'er so oblivious to everything there is to this game if you suck you suck thats the bottom line no matter how epic you think you are killing Players that just started the game.

:mad: :mad: :mad: Hey :mad: Chaos is a lovely guy and he does not suck. He has a char that he is levelling and pretty much just hangs out in the 2x on an alt. He isnt a PKer in the extreme that you presume him to be and to jump at him like that makes you look like the one who thinks they are epic when in fact you are just having a go at people who are just trying to have their say. :mad: If I was Chaos I would report you for flaming :mad:



Or as they will prolly say, we're:

1. Not worth their time.
2. A bunch of poo poo faces.
3. Not going to change they're mind.

And they're.

1. Awesomesauce.
2. Free to do what they want.
3. Legends.

But yeah. Some pwning happens outside the abyss ;o



You know what? You are not worth my time poo poo face, you will never change my mind. My awesomesauce PK friends and I are free to do what we want and some day we will all be legends :D

Naw but in all seriousness no one is gonna change our minds and we are all free to do what we want. And by that I don't mean just PKers, I mean everyone that plays the game, however they play it.

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Seriously. You people should not judge a person by what they do in game. Come to the 2x and meet me. Sure I might kill you a lot, you might kill me a lot. But we can chat while we do it and I guarantee that (as long as you aren't rude or nasty to me) you will leave thinking "Wow... Aside from the merciless killing she is actually a pretty nice person".

[omni.knight]

I like killing everyone :D its fun

[aperturelaboratories]

Yes I believe things have changed for the better. You got a problem with my opinion? :eek:

You are entitled to your opinion. The only "problem" I have with it is that I am having a hard time understanding how things have changed for the better.

[weird_teen24]

This is what I mean. This was me on my 2nd day on Cypion, an npc-geared, full end nublet fighter. If you look carefully, you will see a team of not one. Not two. But four pking fighters ganging my pathetic level 29 butt. Not only that, but they had a cleric healing them on the side too.

http://i51.tinypic.com/al4668.jpg

As you can see, 11 hp stones later, I am finally overwhelmed. My grinding partner comes to try and back me up and is instantly slaughtered. (not in these pictures but yeah...)

http://i53.tinypic.com/rmtpgj.jpg

Now let's say I haven't raised 3 fighters to 5x and 6x on Bijou and Teva and I didn't know what I was doing. Let's say I was a nublet and this was my first character on Fiesta. Let's say I was broker than a stoker (like I was with my first ever character on Fiesta) and didn't have those t1 scrolls or that buff. Or worse, let's say I was a mage or an archer and two-hittable. That's the average joe who wanders into 2x or 3x or even 4x and is instantly put down.

Do you really think what those people were doing was in any way not retarded? Evidently, they have a wonderful little community of their own too. Three out of the five were well-known but never proved scammers as well. I do not condemn fair and consensual 1v1 fights in the abyss. Heck I think that's healthy behaviour.

But if that isn't a community in the gutters, please tell me what is? I know I know, perhaps you're going to tell me that these were the runts of the litter. But when Ryaiken capped at 36 (for ZK, which he soon gave up when I realized my archer did the job better), I was still frequently ganged by the so-called "kings and queens" of 2x when trying to help out acadies.

PS: I know this is blacklisting but I am 100% sure that all of these idiots have either quit or started up alt accounts. Scamming hurts your rep huh...

wow dude thats bogus XD
On teva the only time we team with 3 or 4+ is when someone that is 30-36 comes and teir 3's and warps repeatedly and calls everyone fail.
But kudos to you on surviving that long and from not freaking out when you got killed.
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off topic, <3 pathi and desh

[Ex.plode]

This is what I mean. This was me on my 2nd day on Cypion, an npc-geared, full end nublet fighter. If you look carefully, you will see a team of not one. Not two. But four pking fighters ganging my pathetic level 29 butt. Not only that, but they had a cleric healing them on the side too.

http://i51.tinypic.com/al4668.jpg

As you can see, 11 hp stones later, I am finally overwhelmed. My grinding partner comes to try and back me up and is instantly slaughtered. (not in these pictures but yeah...)

http://i53.tinypic.com/rmtpgj.jpg

Now let's say I haven't raised 3 fighters to 5x and 6x on Bijou and Teva and I didn't know what I was doing. Let's say I was a nublet and this was my first character on Fiesta. Let's say I was broker than a stoker (like I was with my first ever character on Fiesta) and didn't have those t1 scrolls or that buff. Or worse, let's say I was a mage or an archer and two-hittable. That's the average joe who wanders into 2x or 3x or even 4x and is instantly put down.

Do you really think what those people were doing was in any way not retarded? Evidently, they have a wonderful little community of their own too. Three out of the five were well-known but never proved scammers as well. I do not condemn fair and consensual 1v1 fights in the abyss. Heck I think that's healthy behaviour.

But if that isn't a community in the gutters, please tell me what is? I know I know, perhaps you're going to tell me that these were the runts of the litter. But when Ryaiken capped at 36 (for ZK, which he soon gave up when I realized my archer did the job better), I was still frequently ganged by the so-called "kings and queens" of 2x when trying to help out acadies.

PS: I know this is blacklisting but I am 100% sure that all of these idiots have either quit or started up alt accounts. Scamming hurts your rep huh...

I don't agree with anything in red, at all.

The word "retarded" has no significance in this post, or anywhere on this forum.



Also, I am wondering what you said to them before your death.

[Dthugtherealist]

1.) Same thing :confused: Uber godly = hyped out gears.



2.) You have no right to presume the reason that someone is a PKer because it is their only option. I personally love the community within Eldy FP and can't stand the general population of higher level people. Most are egotistical morons who think they rule supreme because they have either spent a million quid on SC to prestige or have so little else to do that they sunk all their time into capping, in most cases both these are true. So I make a few Lv36s to hang out in a quiet spot with good friends and kill a few people. I find it a lot more fun that submitting a report every 5 minutes because someone has spot claimed a mob or spending a week looking for that RoP that will tip my HP over 10k so I can feel like I have achieved something.



3.) :mad: :mad: :mad: Hey :mad: Chaos is a lovely guy and he does not suck. He has a char that he is levelling and pretty much just hangs out in the 2x on an alt. He isnt a PKer in the extreme that you presume him to be and to jump at him like that makes you look like the one who thinks they are epic when in fact you are just having a go at people who are just trying to have their say. :mad: If I was Chaos I would report you for flaming :mad:

4.) Naw but in all seriousness no one is gonna change our minds and we are all free to do what we want. And by that I don't mean just PKers, I mean everyone that plays the game, however they play it.



1.) If you read that sentence I put lol I said everybody has uber godly everything or are trying to get em at prestige lvl and there always ready. I should take out everybody tho thats a absolute thing I'll say 65% 30% got the patience to farm the rest just fail lol. But if you look at the scale between 94- Players that are hyped out and fail players the scale is very different I'd say only 10% fall into the elite category 30% are farmers the rest fail but thats 94- in general if you wanna take like the 2x abyss in more debt I'd say at least 95% of the players in 2x fail so when your 1 hitting em with your crew of Hyped out Pk'ers remember that.

2.) Well with your statement right there you proved its your only option lol. You can't compete in the High lvls so you Pick on people just starting the game. I just don't see how a Player with lil SC can compete with anybody in those lvls if there just starting out case in point in some way or another Pk'ers have many advantages over the lower lvls there 1 hitting in the abyss.

3.) Read what I said in the thread after I wrote that he may be a Cool Cat but his statement wasn't so I had to put down his statement. And about thinking Im Epic I don't need to self proclaim that Imma good player.

4.) Everyones free to play the game how they want to? You contradict your self so bad here lol. You say if people can't compete in the abyss they should get out the only people who go to Abysses are broke people,people who ran outta quests, or Pk'ers simple as. The Pk'ers stop the broke and people who ran outta quests from grinding so how are they free to do what they want if Pk'ers are stopping em from playing there game? Like I asked before how Prepared do you want the Players to be?

[Ex.plode]

dthug I like reading your posts because of:

a) the content

and

b) because 9 times out of 10 your owning someone lol :p

[Dthugtherealist]

dthug I like reading your posts because of:

a) the content

and

b) because 9 times out of 10 your owning someone lol :p

lol thanx I try to not fill the forums of Spam as much as possible theres too much already lol. Also yea sometimes I gotta put folks in there place rofl.

[RyaikenDune]

What I said before I died:
-Um.. what is it 8v1 now?
-This fails -.- Can't you just leave us alone so we can grind?

Anyway, for all intents and purposes, I was a 2x nublet who had just started in this game (or at least on the server), and was ganged out of my @$$.

1. What sort of impression do you think this sets for new players?
2. They're stopping clueless nubs from levelling/making money (because face it, production from mats gathered in the abyss is one of the only ways for new players to get a decent start in the game). And this goes for all pkers.
3. Killing stuff that stands no chance against you is boring.

Retarded does have a context in my case. Look at what immediately followed my death.

http://i52.tinypic.com/30x7h8x.jpg

Attention span of rabbits. One of them scammed the others btw...

[c8itlyn]

1.) If you read that sentence I put lol I said everybody has uber godly everything or are trying to get em at prestige lvl and there always ready. I should take out everybody tho thats a absolute thing I'll say 65% 30% got the patience to farm the rest just fail lol. But if you look at the scale between 94- Players that are hyped out and fail players the scale is very different I'd say only 10% fall into the elite category 30% are farmers the rest fail but thats 94- in general if you wanna take like the 2x abyss in more debt I'd say at least 95% of the players in 2x fail so when your 1 hitting em with your crew of Hyped out Pk'ers remember that.

Lol all I did was pointed out that you used essentially the same term to describe prestige and non prestige PvP and you over analysed your own statement to prove a point and from what I can tell (with the smart remark at the end) to prove me wrong. Throwing percentages around like that means nothing. They are usually just used by people to fill up space in an otherwise self important statement about something so they can try to look like they know what they are talking about. 68% of all statistics are made up so when you are using them to prove a point that doesn't really need proving remember that.


2.) Well with your statement right there you proved its your only option lol. You can't compete in the High lvls so you Pick on people just starting the game. I just don't see how a Player with lil SC can compete with anybody in those lvls if there just starting out case in point in some way or another Pk'ers have many advantages over the lower lvls there 1 hitting in the abyss.

No my statement right there suggested that I dont like most high level players because all the want to talk about it how much better they are than the lower level people just because they have a lot more time and or sc to sink into the game. Competing with them is easy if I am honest. To be dragged along with their mentality of how they are the guys that should have the most important opinions because their endgame is different to some others however is not easy. In fact it is downright annoying. They need to be told to shut up once in a while and learn to deal with the fact that not everyone wants to play the game like they do.


3.) Read what I said in the thread after I wrote that he may be a Cool Cat but his statement wasn't so I had to put down his statement. And about thinking Im Epic I don't need to self proclaim that Imma good player

He is a cool cat and his statement was his own opinion. SO you put down his opinion just like you seem to do to everyone else you reply to. If it isn't agreeing with you it's bad it seems.


4.) Everyones free to play the game how they want to? You contradict your self so bad here lol. You say if people can't compete in the abyss they should get out the only people who go to Abysses are broke people,people who ran outta quests, or Pk'ers simple as. The Pk'ers stop the broke and people who ran outta quests from grinding so how are they free to do what they want if Pk'ers are stopping em from playing there game? Like I asked before how Prepared do you want the Players to be?

Yes! If people can't compete in the abyss they should leave or go get the means to compete. How is that contradicting that everyone is free to play how they like? If someone cant kill Helga should they go and try to kill her? No they shouldn't and I would tell them they shouldn't. But they can try if they want. Telling someone the facts of the abyss isn't saying they aren't allowed to enter. Its saying stay out if you don't want to die. Don't try to force words into my mouth or try to make my opinions look like something they are not. If broke people or questless people need to grind then they have the "NON PvP AREA maps to grind in like everyone else on Fiesta. If they want the easy kills and high drop rate in the abyss then they need to be able to compete for them. The only thing they really need to be prepared for is to die. If you go into the abyss don't go in expecting not to die.

[RyaikenDune]

Yes! If people can't compete in the abyss they should leave or go get the means to compete.

How is a 2x nub who's starting out supposed to get the gears to compete?

Unfortunately, drops from the 2x abyss are essential to making a financial start for any new player (be it to the server or to the game.) Just because you have a 7x main and can afford insane godly gearness doesn't mean little nublets can. They're also kind of 10 levels below you too.

How did I start my characters off on Cypion? I took a full end fighter to level 20, grinded in the abyss till 30, and sold stones, t2 speed scrolls and HQ Slime Jelly. Without the abyss there was no way I could have made that sort of start. So I wouldn't have been able to afford gears to fight back. (That figher was full npc gear tho. He was made to finance an archer.) This is the only way any nublet could ever afford the gears to fight back against pkers. And since you're pking him and not letting him grind, you're blocking that off too.

Essentially, you're asking for skilled/well-geared opponents to show themselves, but you yourself are halting such persons from arising. There's no escape for the nublet is there?

I also find it funny how you can pick on people who have absolutely no chance of fighting back and then consider pking to be skilled in any way.

This is you vs the nublet.
You:
-Handpicked blue gear, maxed out rings, ZK weapon (possibly +9).
-Experience in how the game works, game mechanics etc.
-Level 36.
-Friends with a number of players just as priveledged as you.
-Possibly Crit-Suited up, etc.

Your Esteemed Opponent:
-NPC gear he or she bought from acad/quest money. Ringless. The weapon he or she got from his or her Class Change.
-Clueless about game mechanics, empowerments, build and Fiesta in general.
-Level 20.
-Friendless and looking for a party.
-SCless.

How can you expect this nublet to ever be able to even the playing field?

[omni.knight]

This is you vs the nublet.
You:
-Handpicked blue gear, maxed out rings, ZK weapon (possibly +9).
-Experience in how the game works, game mechanics etc.
-Level 36.
-Friends with a number of players just as priveledged as you.
-Possibly Crit-Suited up, etc.

Your Esteemed Opponent:
-NPC gear he or she bought from acad/quest money. Ringless. The weapon he or she got from his or her Class Change.
-Clueless about game mechanics, empowerments, build and Fiesta in general.
-Level 20.
-Friendless and looking for a party.
-SCless.

How can you expect this nublet to ever be able to even the playing field?



They don't , but getting their **** whooped, ignites a fire in some people and leads to the creation of an up and coming pker, thus raising the class of server. Evolution for the win :D

[saluriel]

They don't , but getting their **** whooped, ignites a fire in some people and leads to the creation of an up and coming pker, thus raising the class of server. Evolution for the win :D

Agreed. I was one of those who were PKed when I was a nublet, then became a PKer myself
-iTessa

[Rakedros]

How is a 2x nub who's starting out supposed to get the gears to compete?

Unfortunately, drops from the 2x abyss are essential to making a financial start for any new player (be it to the server or to the game.) Just because you have a 7x main and can afford insane godly gearness doesn't mean little nublets can. They're also kind of 10 levels below you too.

How did I start my characters off on Cypion? I took a full end fighter to level 20, grinded in the abyss till 30, and sold stones, t2 speed scrolls and HQ Slime Jelly. Without the abyss there was no way I could have made that sort of start. So I wouldn't have been able to afford gears to fight back. (That figher was full npc gear tho. He was made to finance an archer.) This is the only way any nublet could ever afford the gears to fight back against pkers. And since you're pking him and not letting him grind, you're blocking that off too.

Essentially, you're asking for skilled/well-geared opponents to show themselves, but you yourself are halting such persons from arising. There's no escape for the nublet is there?

I also find it funny how you can pick on people who have absolutely no chance of fighting back and then consider pking to be skilled in any way.

This is you vs the nublet.
You:
-Handpicked blue gear, maxed out rings, ZK weapon (possibly +9).
-Experience in how the game works, game mechanics etc.
-Level 36.
-Friends with a number of players just as priveledged as you.
-Possibly Crit-Suited up, etc.

Your Esteemed Opponent:
-NPC gear he or she bought from acad/quest money. Ringless. The weapon he or she got from his or her Class Change.
-Clueless about game mechanics, empowerments, build and Fiesta in general.
-Level 20.
-Friendless and looking for a party.
-SCless.

How can you expect this nublet to ever be able to even the playing field?
I agree with this completely. I mean it's your choice if you wanna pk, but why do you have to choose 2x? Like that dude i quoted said, most of the people just started. They just started to play a game, just for fun. People just wanna play the game, just wanna grind, explore new maps. If you want more skilled opponents, simply level up and head to a new abyss. If you're lvl 36 with full +9 gear, sc suits and what not, then you're basically already at the top. Just move on to 3x, where there're new people to fight, new gear, new skills. Spamming people who just started to play is just stupid. There's no point in spamming people who wanna grind either. Just move on, and fight people who actually want to fight.

[weird_teen24]

2x abyss=only dungeon boss that doesn't stun. :c

but seriously the reason I chose 2x abyss is because well I became accepted by the community and decided to stay. __chaos was originally going to be a perma 47 (conc repeat), but somewhere along the way I was got accepted into the community.

I was in abyss and someone came and pk'd me, I didn't over react or say obscenities. I just came back into the middle to get pk'd (x.x I accidentally pressed [ instead of P over 7 times), with the other 5 people who got pk'd I was the only one who stayed, and I believe they respected that or as a perma 49 fighter on teva once said "I like your attitude".

...........forgot what I was saying (took an eating break XD)
and off topic.......sym give me your facebook D:

[LongshotFoxx]

I agree with this completely. I mean it's your choice if you wanna pk, but why do you have to choose 2x? Like that dude i quoted said, most of the people just started. They just started to play a game, just for fun. People just wanna play the game, just wanna grind, explore new maps. If you want more skilled opponents, simply level up and head to a new abyss. If you're lvl 36 with full +9 gear, sc suits and what not, then you're basically already at the top. Just move on to 3x, where there're new people to fight, new gear, new skills. Spamming people who just started to play is just stupid. There's no point in spamming people who wanna grind either. Just move on, and fight people who actually want to fight.

Well, see, for some people, they like being jerks. So it really doesn't matter to them. They're just there for the sake of pissing players off. OS should fix this, because at level 20, it's gets twice as hard. The only fast way to get through this is to grind in 2x abyss. Of course, since there are a ton of PKing jerks there, they might be scaring off un-dedicated players. If newbs have a bad experience, they won't want to play the game anymore. If a lot of newbs are having bad experiences there, PKers are essentially scaring off potential business opportunities for OS. Not a good idea.

The PKers in 2x abyss just have no life. I think that they shold play FPS games, if they killing people so much. However, I think they're killing newbs in 2x abyss cuz they suck at FPS games. So really, 2x abyss PKers could be just really bad at pwning people in fps games. An mmorpg pwn is nothing compared to an fps pwn. Fact.
That's another hypothesis.

Of course, on another note, it's also a good lesson for newbies to learn that if they don't wanna get PK'd, to go somewhere else to train. But still, not a good thing in the eyes of 90% of the community here.

If PKers want to go fight, fine, go the Free Battle Zone. That IS what it's for. The PK ability in abyss is for someone coming and taking over your spot. Not spam killing.

[Ex.plode]

What I said before I died:
-Um.. what is it 8v1 now?
-This fails -.- Can't you just leave us alone so we can grind?

Anyway, for all intents and purposes, I was a 2x nublet who had just started in this game (or at least on the server), and was ganged out of my @$$.

1. What sort of impression do you think this sets for new players?
I'm actually pretty sure most new players do quests, I know I didn't know what the abyss was until I was level 40

2. They're stopping clueless nubs from levelling/making money (because face it, production from mats gathered in the abyss is one of the only ways for new players to get a decent start in the game). And this goes for all pkers.
They aren't stopping anyone from leveling or making money, since you can quest or grind outside of the abyss.


3. Killing stuff that stands no chance against you is boring.
In your opinion it is boring, in a PK'ers opinion it obviously isnt.


Retarded does have a context in my case. Look at what immediately followed my death.
"retarded" is not an adjective that should be used in this forum, it's a mental issue / disorder.


http://i52.tinypic.com/30x7h8x.jpg

Attention span of rabbits. One of them scammed the others btw...
Doesnt mean every PK'er is a scammer. "Normal" players scam to.

reply in red

Seriously, I don't even PK. but what your saying isn't right at all, people should be allowed to play the game however they want to, sure getting PK'd sucks.. but you can avoid it by leveling up in other ways, abyss is not the only way to level up or make money.

[blasterhawkpro]

Eh, I knew what abyss was when I was level 18. XD

On #3 & #4, +1.

[Dthugtherealist]

1.) Lol all I did was pointed out that you used essentially the same term to describe prestige and non prestige PvP and you over analysed your own statement to prove a point and from what I can tell (with the smart remark at the end) to prove me wrong. Throwing percentages around like that means nothing. They are usually just used by people to fill up space in an otherwise self important statement about something so they can try to look like they know what they are talking about. 68% of all statistics are made up so when you are using them to prove a point that doesn't really need proving remember that.

2.) No my statement right there suggested that I dont like most high level players because all the want to talk about it how much better they are than the lower level people just because they have a lot more time and or sc to sink into the game. Competing with them is easy if I am honest. To be dragged along with their mentality of how they are the guys that should have the most important opinions because their endgame is different to some others however is not easy. In fact it is downright annoying. They need to be told to shut up once in a while and learn to deal with the fact that not everyone wants to play the game like they do.

3.) He is a cool cat and his statement was his own opinion. SO you put down his opinion just like you seem to do to everyone else you reply to. If it isn't agreeing with you it's bad it seems.

4.) Yes! If people can't compete in the abyss they should leave or go get the means to compete. How is that contradicting that everyone is free to play how they like? If someone cant kill Helga should they go and try to kill her? No they shouldn't and I would tell them they shouldn't. But they can try if they want. Telling someone the facts of the abyss isn't saying they aren't allowed to enter. Its saying stay out if you don't want to die. Don't try to force words into my mouth or try to make my opinions look like something they are not. If broke people or questless people need to grind then they have the "NON PvP AREA maps to grind in like everyone else on Fiesta. If they want the easy kills and high drop rate in the abyss then they need to be able to compete for them. The only thing they really need to be prepared for is to die. If you go into the abyss don't go in expecting not to die.

1.) Cuz you are wrong if you think becoming a 36 Pk'er and 1 hitting nubs takes any skill, my percentages are vague but close it could be a lil bit more maybe a lil bit less.

2.) I barely Play anymore I'm a 102 Glad I don't gotta prove my self to anyone anymore my skills and knowledge of the Fighter class and Classes in general blur all lines. Also its not easy to compete if it was you'd be there woudn't you? instead of 1 shotting nubs all day in Abyss with your Pk'er buddies :rolleyes: Also you don't gotta play the game like we do does it benefit the community more? Hell yes Does it help things get done? Hell yes. I got no Prob with Pk'ing in General I gotta problem with how its Done especially this Modern Pk'ing where its just hang out with your Pk'ing buddies at the gate and spawn kill players just starting to play. Old school Pk'ing they would kill anybody anywhere no matter what even other Pk'ers just to prove a point.

3.) Your entitiled to your opinion but when your opinion has flaws gotta tell you why it does.

4.) Like I said before you contradict your self by saying people are free to play how they want when your killing other players that have absolutely no Chance against you. There are non PvP area's to grind in yea your right but again your restricting em from playing there game by camping by the gate and killing players that have no Chance.


1.) How is a 2x nub who's starting out supposed to get the gears to compete?

2.) This is you vs the nublet.
You:
-Handpicked blue gear, maxed out rings, ZK weapon (possibly +9).
-Experience in how the game works, game mechanics etc.
-Level 36.
-Friends with a number of players just as priveledged as you.
-Possibly Crit-Suited up, etc.

Your Esteemed Opponent:
-NPC gear he or she bought from acad/quest money. Ringless. The weapon he or she got from his or her Class Change.
-Clueless about game mechanics, empowerments, build and Fiesta in general.
-Level 20.
-Friendless and looking for a party.
-SCless.

How can you expect this nublet to ever be able to even the playing field?

1.) No way possible lol

2.) Pk'ing is the worst possible it seems in 2x but this is how it pretty much is in any abyss. Only people I notice who go in Abyss are people who are too weak to grind/farm in dungeons, at 9x the dungeon becomes purely for money making but abyss Pk'ing declines so if you wanna prove your self you gotta hit up an fbz.


They don't , but getting their **** whooped, ignites a fire in some people and leads to the creation of an up and coming pker, thus raising the class of server. Evolution for the win :D

Can a 86 Pk'er kill a 10x Player? Can a 86 Pk'er kill Helga or do any instance besides the weak as hell DT? I wonder how does this make for more competition in any server and make it better? It doesn't.


Agreed. I was one of those who were PKed when I was a nublet, then became a PKer myself
-iTessa

So you join the same type of people that harrassed you to become a harrasser instead of helping the harrassed great :rolleyes:


I agree with this completely. I mean it's your choice if you wanna pk, but why do you have to choose 2x? Like that dude i quoted said, most of the people just started. They just started to play a game, just for fun. People just wanna play the game, just wanna grind, explore new maps. If you want more skilled opponents, simply level up and head to a new abyss. If you're lvl 36 with full +9 gear, sc suits and what not, then you're basically already at the top. Just move on to 3x, where there're new people to fight, new gear, new skills. Spamming people who just started to play is just stupid. There's no point in spamming people who wanna grind either. Just move on, and fight people who actually want to fight.

For real man but there scared to fight anybody who might have a Chance against them so they just 1 shot nublets all day.


Well, see, for some people, they like being jerks. So it really doesn't matter to them. They're just there for the sake of pissing players off. OS should fix this, because at level 20, it's gets twice as hard. The only fast way to get through this is to grind in 2x abyss. Of course, since there are a ton of PKing jerks there, they might be scaring off un-dedicated players. If newbs have a bad experience, they won't want to play the game anymore. If a lot of newbs are having bad experiences there, PKers are essentially scaring off potential business opportunities for OS. Not a good idea.

The PKers in 2x abyss just have no life. I think that they shold play FPS games, if they killing people so much. However, I think they're killing newbs in 2x abyss cuz they suck at FPS games. So really, 2x abyss PKers could be just really bad at pwning people in fps games. An mmorpg pwn is nothing compared to an fps pwn. Fact.
That's another hypothesis.

Of course, on another note, it's also a good lesson for newbies to learn that if they don't wanna get PK'd, to go somewhere else to train. But still, not a good thing in the eyes of 90% of the community here.

If PKers want to go fight, fine, go the Free Battle Zone. That IS what it's for. The PK ability in abyss is for someone coming and taking over your spot. Not spam killing.

I agree which this completely man especially with the last Part I go cause a ruckus in fbz from time to time cuz it harms nothing except peoples ego's. I only fight same lvl'ed players as well why? Cuz theres a Challenge to it if you beat someone with equal gears it proves that the skills you've been polishing for ages are good if you can't beat someone you get better till you beat em.

[Ex.plode]

Now I want to make a lvl 36 char to farm ZK and do PvP KQ to own some 4x's, is that fair :p?

[weird_teen24]

when Knight was 38 he got 3rd in pvp kq..........and he ain't beast XD

[TheREALArcherEric]

Duh, when you get owned in Abyss you get your friends to come.

[Dthugtherealist]

Now I want to make a lvl 36 char to farm ZK and do PvP KQ to own some 4x's, is that fair :p?

Thats fair cuz its a kq ment for killing. Also your killing people higher than you not Camping and killing nublets so its all good.

[omni.knight]

Man, The pleasure in fighting in abyss doesn't even come near the feeling of whipping 14 other people in a contest of power :D

They trap 14 people in a room and unleash a BeAsT, fun as hell I tell ya ;D

[RyaikenDune]

PM the name pl0x

[c8itlyn]

1.) Cuz you are wrong if you think becoming a 36 Pk'er and 1 hitting nubs takes any skill, my percentages are vague but close it could be a lil bit more maybe a lil bit less.

One hitting nubs isn't the only thing that goes on in the 2x. We fight each other. We get PKKers to deal with. We get teams coming in to try and kill us. We hang out and just talk sometimes, even to the nubs that come into the abyss. We are not constantly rampaging around killing Lv20s. The 2x is a fun place to hang out. The only people that think it isn't are the people without the mental capacity to understand that it is a PvP area and getting killed there is likely. Your percentages are made up. There is no 2 ways about it. Wether they are close or not they are still just made up numbers with no real value in any point that you try to make.


2.) I barely Play anymore I'm a 102 Glad I don't gotta prove my self to anyone anymore my skills and knowledge of the Fighter class and Classes in general blur all lines. Also its not easy to compete if it was you'd be there woudn't you? instead of 1 shotting nubs all day in Abyss with your Pk'er buddies :rolleyes: Also you don't gotta play the game like we do does it benefit the community more? Hell yes Does it help things get done? Hell yes. I got no Prob with Pk'ing in General I gotta problem with how its Done especially this Modern Pk'ing where its just hang out with your Pk'ing buddies at the gate and spawn kill players just starting to play. Old school Pk'ing they would kill anybody anywhere no matter what even other Pk'ers just to prove a point.

Yes it is easy to compete. I don't want to prestige so I can hang out in BZ1 and one shot Lv10s and complain about how the 2x PKers one shot them too. In the abyss you can only fight with people within a small level range. I have hung around in BZ a few times and all that happens is the Lv100+ people kill anyone that isnt Lv100+. BZ is not an alternative to the abyss. Its just a place where Lv100+ go to show off to eachother.
And by the way I do kill who I like, when I like, for whatever reason I like (most of the time no reason at all) Including other PKers just to prove a point. I am merciless and uncaring and that what makes me a good PKer. I never ever say no to a 1v1 even with players who are a lot higher level that me. I have even gone to the 9x to 1v1 a Lv101 glad. I lost hard but I still went. I'm not your average moron that just sits around racking up KPs because I cant play the game properly. I do what I do because I enjoy it. And quite frankly I am getting tired of people telling me that I shouldn't do it. If that's the case come and stop me and stop whining about it across the intertubes.


3.) Your entitiled to your opinion but when your opinion has flaws gotta tell you why it does.

An opinion can't be flawed. It is what someone thinks and you try to tell people what they should think if it isn't the same thing as what you think.


4.) Like I said before you contradict your self by saying people are free to play how they want when your killing other players that have absolutely no Chance against you. There are non PvP area's to grind in yea your right but again your restricting em from playing there game by camping by the gate and killing players that have no Chance.

Why do you not get this? They can come to the abyss and do what they want. If they have no chance against us then they need to go and get the means to have a chance. It will take them time but they can still do it. I can't exactly go to the 9x and PK there or 1v1 with prestige classes right now. But there is nothing stopping me prestiging and then doing just that. It just means I will have to spend some time levelling and getting gears. I am free to do that if I so desire. Just the same as any player is free to do the same in the 2x.


And as a reply to some others who ask why do people PK in the 2x. My personal reason is that at Lv36 I can go to all the abyss' in FP and hang out with all my friends whatever level they are.

Also I cant stress this point enough. On Teva in the 2x charms/scrolls/buffs/pots on a PKer is not tolerated by the other PKers. We kill people that do this on sight. People who are there to level are entitled to do all this stuff but we can't stand it when someone does it to stand at the front just to kill people. It drags us all down. A charmed, T3'd and buffed PKer becomes a walking KP in our eyes.

[Dthugtherealist]

1.) One hitting nubs isn't the only thing that goes on in the 2x. We fight each other. We get PKKers to deal with. We get teams coming in to try and kill us. We hang out and just talk sometimes, even to the nubs that come into the abyss. We are not constantly rampaging around killing Lv20s. The 2x is a fun place to hang out. The only people that think it isn't are the people without the mental capacity to understand that it is a PvP area and getting killed there is likely. Your percentages are made up. There is no 2 ways about it. Wether they are close or not they are still just made up numbers with no real value in any point that you try to make.



2.) Yes it is easy to compete. I don't want to prestige so I can hang out in BZ1 and one shot Lv10s and complain about how the 2x PKers one shot them too. In the abyss you can only fight with people within a small level range. I have hung around in BZ a few times and all that happens is the Lv100+ people kill anyone that isnt Lv100+. BZ is not an alternative to the abyss. Its just a place where Lv100+ go to show off to eachother.
And by the way I do kill who I like, when I like, for whatever reason I like (most of the time no reason at all) Including other PKers just to prove a point. I am merciless and uncaring and that what makes me a good PKer. I never ever say no to a 1v1 even with players who are a lot higher level that me. I have even gone to the 9x to 1v1 a Lv101 glad. I lost hard but I still went. I'm not your average moron that just sits around racking up KPs because I cant play the game properly. I do what I do because I enjoy it. And quite frankly I am getting tired of people telling me that I shouldn't do it. If that's the case come and stop me and stop whining about it across the intertubes.



3.) An opinion can't be flawed. It is what someone thinks and you try to tell people what they should think if it isn't the same thing as what you think.



4.) Why do you not get this? They can come to the abyss and do what they want. If they have no chance against us then they need to go and get the means to have a chance. It will take them time but they can still do it. I can't exactly go to the 9x and PK there or 1v1 with prestige classes right now. But there is nothing stopping me prestiging and then doing just that. It just means I will have to spend some time levelling and getting gears. I am free to do that if I so desire. Just the same as any player is free to do the same in the 2x.


And as a reply to some others who ask why do people PK in the 2x. My personal reason is that at Lv36 I can go to all the abyss' in FP and hang out with all my friends whatever level they are.

Also I cant stress this point enough. On Teva in the 2x charms/scrolls/buffs/pots on a PKer is not tolerated by the other PKers. We kill people that do this on sight. People who are there to level are entitled to do all this stuff but we can't stand it when someone does it to stand at the front just to kill people. It drags us all down. A charmed, T3'd and buffed PKer becomes a walking KP in our eyes.

1.) Try to tell me that for the most part the 2x isn't a hell hole for the players just starting the game then I'll believe you.

2.) Thats where your wrong Prestiges don't go and kill anybody they fight with them selves or people who ask for a 1 v 1. I've even let cookied 94- Fighters fight me for fun we have fbz wars we have all sorts of things but anybody can chill there and nobody loses anything except pride. Compared to abyss where you scare people into not going and people lose alotta things more importantly there time. Also it isn't easy to become a Prestige Player to me dropping a gem on godly hand picked gear and going to a preset advantaged place is easy. Also I wanna know what is the point of making a 36 abyss guard to kill every PK on your server? All it takes to Pk at that lvl is knowledge of stats and skill points wow impressive :rolleyes:

3.) We gonna go on and on? Your opinion is your opinion please don't think this is an attack on you this an attack on Pk'ing in general.

4.) I get what your saying and have been saying you want nubs to waiste there time farming getting as godly as a x6 Pk'er to just have a right to the abyss. By the time you hit x6 in any abyss the drop rate sucks. Also theres nobody in 9x abyss lol we go to the fbz if we wanna fight when people lose millions per deaths theres no point. You keep saying how its easy to hit prestige and you could do it if you want but your not prestiged. Try getting there then talk yea?

[c8itlyn]

1.) Try to tell me that for the most part the 2x isn't a hell hole for the players just starting the game then I'll believe you.

2.) Thats where your wrong Prestiges don't go and kill anybody they fight with them selves or people who ask for a 1 v 1. I've even let cookied 94- Fighters fight me for fun we have fbz wars we have all sorts of things but anybody can chill there and nobody loses anything except pride. Compared to abyss where you scare people into not going and people lose alotta things more importantly there time. Also it isn't easy to become a Prestige Player to me dropping a gem on godly hand picked gear and going to a preset advantaged place is easy. Also I wanna know what is the point of making a 36 abyss guard to kill every PK on your server? All it takes to Pk at that lvl is knowledge of stats and skill points wow impressive :rolleyes:

3.) We gonna go on and on? Your opinion is your opinion please don't think this is an attack on you this an attack on Pk'ing in general.

4.) I get what your saying and have been saying you want nubs to waiste there time farming getting as godly as a x6 Pk'er to just have a right to the abyss. By the time you hit x6 in any abyss the drop rate sucks. Also theres nobody in 9x abyss lol we go to the fbz if we wanna fight when people lose millions per deaths theres no point. You keep saying how its easy to hit prestige and you could do it if you want but your not prestiged. Try getting there then talk yea?

1) Yes it can be a hell hole. But for most people it is just "Uh I died" and they leave and get on with things elsewhere. Some people choose to stay and cuss and swear and be abusive and die a lot more. Some people choose to stay and chat and have a laugh and they find that they dont die anymore and become part of the community. The 2x is what you make of it for yourself.

2) Thats not true. I said I have been to BZ and all that happens is Lv100+ kill me and anyone else that they can 1 hit. And they have the cheek to complain that PKers do the same. BZ isnt competition, it's a massacre. Yeah they fight among themselves and have wars but so do PKers. The only difference is that we do all this withing a small level range and not in a 100+ level range.

3) I understand what you mean and yeah we should drop this.

4) Getting to any level on Fiesta isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination. It is just time consuming. Nothing in Fiesta is hard with regards to PvE. To prestige isn't anything awesome or it doesn't prove that you have mastered the game. It just shows that you have spent more time levelling a single character. Seriously, you tell me what was hard about levelling to Lv100. It wouldnt even be hard with NPC +0 gears from Lv1 to Lv108. It would just take more time. Thats all Fiesta is, one huge time sink and all those that have levelled to prestige will someday think "Oh... Wow that was a waste of my life... What next?"

[Dthugtherealist]

1) Yes it can be a hell hole. But for most people it is just "Uh I died" and they leave and get on with things elsewhere. Some people choose to stay and cuss and swear and be abusive and die a lot more. Some people choose to stay and chat and have a laugh and they find that they dont die anymore and become part of the community. The 2x is what you make of it for yourself.

2) Thats not true. I said I have been to BZ and all that happens is Lv100+ kill me and anyone else that they can 1 hit. And they have the cheek to complain that PKers do the same. BZ isnt competition, it's a massacre. Yeah they fight among themselves and have wars but so do PKers. The only difference is that we do all this withing a small level range and not in a 100+ level range.

3) I understand what you mean and yeah we should drop this.

4) Getting to any level on Fiesta isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination. It is just time consuming. Nothing in Fiesta is hard with regards to PvE. To prestige isn't anything awesome or it doesn't prove that you have mastered the game. It just shows that you have spent more time levelling a single character. Seriously, you tell me what was hard about levelling to Lv100. It wouldnt even be hard with NPC +0 gears from Lv1 to Lv108. It would just take more time. Thats all Fiesta is, one huge time sink and all those that have levelled to prestige will someday think "Oh... Wow that was a waste of my life... What next?"

1.) Aight I can agree with that.

2.) On Bijou its different but last time I went to Teva's fbz I had Anni as a boddy guard so I don't really know.

3.) Yea your right we should just drop this.

4.) Fiesta PvE at 9x is harder compared to all the other lvls especially if your a Mage or Fighter. Lvling through 9x wasn't hard for me getting the gear was but people complain how hard it is to hit 100 everyday cuz of lack on in game funds/sc to buy the things they need to get that far. I'm serious though I'd like you to try hitting prestige on a Fighter at least since its the easiest class to prestige and see how it is. If you can't make it then yea I proved my point.....

[c8itlyn]

1.) Aight I can agree with that.

2.) On Bijou its different but last time I went to Teva's fbz I had Anni as a boddy guard so I don't really know.

3.) Yea your right we should just drop this.

4.) Fiesta PvE at 9x is harder compared to all the other lvls especially if your a Mage or Fighter. Lvling through 9x wasn't hard for me getting the gear was but people complain how hard it is to hit 100 everyday cuz of lack on in game funds/sc to buy the things they need to get that far. I'm serious though I'd like you to try hitting prestige on a Fighter at least since its the easiest class to prestige and see how it is. If you can't make it then yea I proved my point.....

I have enough ingame funds to full +9 a fighter from Lv1 to Lv108 and I am an sc hoe. I would have absolutely no problem prestiging. Its just not my cup of finely blended earl grey. I don't want to hit a cap then sit there and think "What now?" Who knows though? Maybe one day I will do it just for poops and giggles. And I wouldn't be doing it with a fighter if I did. Nuh uh. Mages are way too much fun xD

Edit: And I am currently making a mage for the 5x but I am building her carefully so that if I find I want to I can level her further. Maybe I will end up as a prestige class some day. But not for a long time.

[weird_teen24]

I just went so totally pk'er today D:

I was on my mage and my friend was saying someone in a certain guild/academy was harass-er-ing my friend, I logged onto my archer right away and kill the person (who was a 36 mage) over and over, and eventually I got tired and just housed and stopped.

[Dthugtherealist]

I have enough ingame funds to full +9 a fighter from Lv1 to Lv108 and I am an sc hoe. I would have absolutely no problem prestiging. Its just not my cup of finely blended earl grey. I don't want to hit a cap then sit there and think "What now?" Who knows though? Maybe one day I will do it just for poops and giggles. And I wouldn't be doing it with a fighter if I did. Nuh uh. Mages are way too much fun xD

Edit: And I am currently making a mage for the 5x but I am building her carefully so that if I find I want to I can level her further. Maybe I will end up as a prestige class some day. But not for a long time.

You can stop at 105 lol for the PvP kq and dominate that. SC hoe will help you but I doubt you got the in game money xD Trust me when I say 1 piece of the gear I sold or have right now could prolly buy out your whole gear x2 maybe even x3 so idk. But everybody has a personal value on everything they have if its totally unique people will pay any money regardless so then again maybe my 1 piece of gear coudn't buy out your whole gear but maybe half of it xD.

Edit: I always wanted a Prestige mage never had the in game funds or SC to afford it I barely afford my Glad.

[Ex.plode]

I just went so totally pk'er today D:

I was on my mage and my friend was saying someone in a certain guild/academy was harass-er-ing my friend, I logged onto my archer right away and kill the person (who was a 36 mage) over and over, and eventually I got tired and just housed and stopped.

That lvl 36 mage called my lvl 26 fighter charmed and extendered lmao.

[Tamlinari]

Something I have curiously noticed about the abyss, at least on Bijou.

2x pkers will kill any level. they flaunt who's their mains, their levels, and their suit up godly ZK gears. They cash up, charm up, scroll up, everything. And they have the most..whiny mouths of all the abysses..

3x Usually empty, but before the tower nerf it was the new 2x. Most people just hang out and kill grinders that come too close. Take the grnding space and you're dead.

4x Same as 3x, but people tend to stick closer to pking their levels. Still fighting over grinding space.

5x The first chance to hit the first step of a prestige class, the lvl 60. People won't attack unless given the opportunity, except for the 'still act like 2x pkers'

6x More matured in my opinion. And plenty of plvl beggers. Ugh.

7x everyone seems nice o.o or ELSE >.o;

8x No one is ever in here to pk. Seriously.

9x Most people will leave you alone, except for the occasional jerk killing someone who wants to test their strength. Other than that, it's just over space.

As you get higher leveled abysses, there's more...matured people. But now, why does the most infantile Abyss, 2x, have the flaunting mains? and not the main's abysses, 9x?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

LOL, no one ever PKs in the 8x Abyss unless it is at the gate because it is almost impossible.
The 8x Abyss is too difficult for them to harass other players and show off for their idiot friends because unless you are standing at the gate you will be attacked by mobs.

[Ex.plode]

LOL, no one ever PKs in the 8x Abyss unless it is at the gate because it is almost impossible.
The 8x Abyss is too difficult for them to harass other players and show off for their idiot friends because unless you are standing at the gate you will be attacked you will be attacked by mobs.

You just quoted something, then.... said pretty much the same thing that the quote said?


Honestly, I would start PK'ing just to see what your reaction would be.

[Tamlinari]

You just quoted something, then.... said pretty much the same thing that the quote said?


Honestly, I would start PK'ing just to see what your reaction would be.

My reaction would not be a good one I promise you.
I have actually quit the game because of indiscriminate PKers so Outspark has lost my support.
I am on a different game now where it is a lot nicer.
Even if you go to a PVP area people don't automatically kill you for no reason.
Believe it or not it is actually considered bad behavior to harass lower levels there even in the PVP area.
Your peers will get angry with you.
Outside of the PVP area both parties have to agree to a fight so if you don't want to fight and maybe win something then you don't have to.
So you want to know what the name of it is?
Well I am not going to tell you because you seem to fit in just fine with Fiesta.

[weird_teen24]

I heard bijou is a beast pk'ing server, I wonder how they are there (not gears wise but additude wise)

[Ex.plode]

[Notice] This posts trollage was way to hardcore for this post to be kept in an un-edited state.

[Dthugtherealist]

I heard bijou is a beast pk'ing server, I wonder how they are there (not gears wise but additude wise)

It is and Im from there lol maybe its why I think all Pk'ers are monsters who 1 shot nubs all day.

[Ex.plode]

If I joined Bijou I would join _MB_, kinda off topic but yeah haha :o

[Dthugtherealist]

If I joined Bijou I would join _MB_, kinda off topic but yeah haha :o

lol xD Too bad if you came all I can show is you is my HG lol and my jewelry that needs to be tweaked o.e

[ToHoly]

I heard bijou is a beast pk'ing server, I wonder how they are there (not gears wise but additude wise)

The Big name Pkers on Bijou have either quit or retired. Theirs very few that are left. The ones that are left sign on sometimes to check abyss's out then log. Maybe Bijou was a crazy Pking server in the past, but thats changed xD.



It is and Im from there lol maybe its why I think all Pk'ers are monsters who 1 shot nubs all day.

Thing is. Theirs nobody to PK anymore in Bijou. 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x have all died out. Most of the Pkers in those abyss's were my friends since Ava (was the top Pking guild) and their all bored senseless...


If I joined Bijou I would join _MB_, kinda off topic but yeah haha :o

I mean I got no problem with MB or anything. I personally think that MB is a great guild. In my opinion tho, I think they took in some of the wrong ppl (not that Im saying I know everyone in the guild, just talking about a couple ppl). No offense to Dthug. I'm sure he already knows why I said what I just said. Dthug is a mad chill master and the guild is jokes most of the time too. It's just that the huge buzz MB had not to long ago has kinda simmered down due to the actions of certain ppl within the guild. All-in-all if you want a fun entertaining guild to join MB would still be your best bet. :D

[sething]

im a pker, but i dont think pking is limited to only abyss....its relates to pvp in general...hence player killing.
and yeah a lot of people enter abyss to grind and NOT to pk(which is probably the most absurd thing ever....pvpve is the most fun grinding experience ever) and im aware a lot of lower level players enter higher lvl abyss to obtain greater exp rewards....but what people in abyss are doing is by no means wrong...everyone knows that but follows some ethical guideline that says "ask me before you kill me". this will never be the case....i offer a challenge to everyone who hates "the dude 1 hitting noobs all day":

gear out a character, and take care of him yourself.
talking about it on the forum is completely anti productive and really shows how little knowledge you have on the actual subject your bashing.

[c8itlyn]

Thing is. Theirs nobody to PK anymore in Bijou. 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x have all died out. Most of the Pkers in those abyss's were my friends since Ava (was the top Pking guild) and their all bored senseless...

PKing guild. That there is why your abyss died out. We have them from time to time, heck I have been GM of to of the most recent notorious ones and was admin in possibly the most notorious of all Tevas PK guilds and I learned that PKing guilds can have a really adverse affect on the abyss. People get all defensive over guildies getting killed and then eventually there is so many people in that guild that no one can fight eachother without leaving the guild or no one out side the guild will dare touch a guildy. PKing guilds kill abyss's.


I just went so totally pk'er today D:

I was on my mage and my friend was saying someone in a certain guild/academy was harass-er-ing my friend, I logged onto my archer right away and kill the person (who was a 36 mage) over and over, and eventually I got tired and just housed and stopped.


That lvl 36 mage called my lvl 26 fighter charmed and extendered lmao.

:O You guys gotta tell me who that is. Although I think I have a pretty good idea. And Chaos... You "got tired and just housed and stopped"? I wish I was there. I never stop ;)

[paella]

At the end of the day, People will either kill you, or they wont. Whining and making pases arguments does nothing but waste time you could be using to level.

[Ex.plode]

:O You guys gotta tell me who that is. Although I think I have a pretty good idea. And Chaos... You "got tired and just housed and stopped"? I wish I was there. I never stop ;)

I killed her like 12 times, she tried to PK me in the back room, so I finished up my mob of phinos, walked over and killed her c;
(she kept coming back, o.o)

[weird_teen24]

I kinda forgot who it was........all I remember was it was a 36 mage in a certain guild academy

[ToHoly]

gear out a character, and take care of him yourself.
talking about it on the forum is completely anti productive and really shows how little knowledge you have on the actual subject your bashing.

I might not really agree with PKing, but I agree with this post somewhat. Sometimes it seems that the ppl that create these threads are losing tons of sleep over getting pk-ed cause they create the same threads over and over again.

I don't know if their to stupid to realize that A.) these threads have been going on for ages and every thread is bringing up the same points. Or B.) They feel that they can get some sympathy from the community and in turn finally see an end to PK-ing. People have to realize none of that will happen.

Some of these same ppl are the ones that say PKers have no lives. But aren't they the same ones that keep making these pointless threads? kinda contradictory lol. It makes me wonder sometimes if some of these ppl are living in a perfect utopia xD. Cause if you tearing your hair out over PKers on a GAME, how do you deal with real life problems? xD

Just like in real life, if your faced with a situation that you cant handle. You either A.) try your best to prepare for the situation. B.) just give up. Or C.) get help from a group of ppl. Option D.) in this case has failed because complaining to the authorities aka CSR's and GM's has proven useless because this is LEGEL. Same thing applies in-game. If you think the ppl are jerks and you hate them leave lol its simple. Or stand up for yourself xD.

The only suggestion I have is umm, making some kind of petition perhaps? Don't know if thats been tryed :/ I'm on the fence when it comes to this issue. Although I may dislike Pk-ing. A few of my friends in-game adore it. So who am I to say their way of having fun is wrong?

[c8itlyn]

I kinda forgot who it was........all I remember was it was a 36 mage in a certain guild academy


I killed her like 12 times, she tried to PK me in the back room, so I finished up my mob of phinos, walked over and killed her c;
(she kept coming back, o.o)

Yeah I found her ;) She didn't stay in the abyss long after I did :D

[RyaikenDune]

I heard bijou is a beast pk'ing server, I wonder how they are there (not gears wise but additude wise)

I lol'd. Bijou used to be insane. (And I mean like scary.) Back then no one had attitude cause any time you could get your butt handed to you by a meaner/scarier opponent. It's kinda boring now since everyone's friends with everyone and teaming is a big thing o.o.

I remember the good old days in 5x abyss... walking in with my evasion slung over my shoulder and lolling at dexless idiots. Nowadays everyone has t3s and teams with friends. You ask for a 1v1 and they agree, but if you win, consider yourself ganged/warred.

[Dthugtherealist]

You ask for a 1v1 and they agree, but if you win, consider yourself ganged/warred.

Its even worse in bz man lol. People unleash like almost there whole skill set on me and I get up to kill em after a while the whole guild is there and its like *** O.o You call your peeps but then its like 30 on 60 maybe and everybody is cookied lmfao.

[Ex.plode]

Teva is pretty similar... :c





im a pker, but i dont think pking is limited to only abyss....its relates to pvp in general...hence player killing.
and yeah a lot of people enter abyss to grind and NOT to pk(which is probably the most absurd thing ever....pvpve is the most fun grinding experience ever) and im aware a lot of lower level players enter higher lvl abyss to obtain greater exp rewards....but what people in abyss are doing is by no means wrong...everyone knows that but follows some ethical guideline that says "ask me before you kill me". this will never be the case....i offer a challenge to everyone who hates "the dude 1 hitting noobs all day":

gear out a character, and take care of him yourself.
talking about it on the forum is completely anti productive and really shows how little knowledge you have on the actual subject your bashing.

QFT

[weird_teen24]

-WARNING DON'T GET OFFENDED-
I'm just wondering if bijou is the source of many pk'er stereotypes.

[RyaikenDune]

Naw Apo is =P

[Dthugtherealist]

-WARNING DON'T GET OFFENDED-
I'm just wondering if bijou is the source of many pk'er stereotypes.

Bijou is/was pretty bad when it comes to Pk'ing some people will do anything for KP's. If they can't kill you there running and coming back later. Alotta Pk'ers don't really know the game and think if there "godly" compared to the average people passing by they'll get recognized. Only Pk'er I remember was Gutty theres Crum too but I don't think buying a blue Axe for a gem cuz his buddy liked him qualifys.

[RyaikenDune]

I remember no pkers from Bijou. Honestly.

Shadowbyrd was 4x by the time abysses even came out. He was 6x when the abyss patch came out. I've never had problems with pkers either on any of my alts either. The ones I've met were either fail as hell and entirely beatable or avoidable.

T_T I really get offended when they call me a fail archer tho. Especially, after I've taken all the trouble of so kindly introducing their faces to the floor.

BTW, someone needs to make a public service announcement: There are no evasion charms. Kiting isn't cheating. Kthnxbai.

[Dthugtherealist]

I remember no pkers from Bijou. Honestly.

Shadowbyrd was 4x by the time abysses even came out. He was 6x when the abyss patch came out. I've never had problems with pkers either on any of my alts either. The ones I've met were either fail as hell and entirely beatable or avoidable.

T_T I really get offended when they call me a fail archer tho. Especially, after I've taken all the trouble of so kindly introducing their faces to the floor.

BTW, someone needs to make a public service announcement: There are no evasion charms. Kiting isn't cheating. Kthnxbai.

Only reason I remember Gutty cuz he actually made it to 89 lmfao. He would also pull the whole room all ninja like then drop the whole mob on your aoe if your pt. didn't get wiped out he would kill the easy people any people who could put a fight he would run from. Also how da hell did we not meet lmfao the most fail patch of all time dropped when I was 6x too :D

[Dragonfly77]

I love how this thread got derailed without going off topic.

[RyaikenDune]

I might have been playing on Teva at the time o.o.
Plus I wasn't exactly the most active player around....

[Dragonfly77]

I don't remember very much pkers....they usually don't last long. I'd have to look up my hitlist.

Dang, I miss pvp. Why does pvp hate archers? >.>

[Dthugtherealist]

I don't remember em much either thats the Fate of Pk'ers there only remembered while there harrassing people other wise they don't get remembered much at all. But Gutty and Ank prolly will always ring a bell with me as one of the most ruthless Pk'ers and the most ruthless Pk'ing Organization ever to be on Bijou. ANK everybody had at least 5k KP and this was that back in the day special lmfao.

[weird_teen24]

I actually laughed, an 8x archer with a KOIL XD

[Dragonfly77]

...koil?
10char.

[weird_teen24]

sorry wrong letter I mean't KOSL, or kill on site list
(doesn't know where I came from)

[Dragonfly77]

Haha, yeah, I have one. Or had. After awhile I restart it because the pkers on it don't exist anymore.

Some get to move on to the next list, but vary rarely.

[RyaikenDune]

Rofl ANK... now those guys were kewl.

And also Rofl, Athemis you have a kill on sight list? O.o
I don't even have one of those... but I guess it's just cause I hate everyone who's not an archer rofl...

[Dragonfly77]

Well, I made it as a way to keep track on getting even with pkers. Archers aren't exactly the toughest nails in PvP, heh. So I'd usually have to wait until an Abyss cap level to get payback.

Someone kills me in 4x when I'm 4x, I come back at 5x and settle the score. But now, the higher I level the stronger other classes get and archers...stay the same. Can't compete anymore, except for the occasional powerleveled cashshop-dependant ones. Heck, even those can still give me trouble.

I swear, I'm a pvp nut trapped in a pve class.

[weird_teen24]

I wonder how big it is..........mine only has people in a certain academy or like 2 or 3 people I forget about.

[Ex.plode]

I kill

__virgil-warrior-83-Illusion-hiatus until I get less lazy
__chaos-hawk archer-36:Nushi Iya kira-passive-ness
_knight-clever fighter-49-N/A-chilling in the middle circle thing in pvp kq
BlastHavoc-mage-2x-[Academy][Illusion]-boredness project :c

on sight


<3

[Dthugtherealist]

Make a Fighter Athe<3 Just way more in game expensive D:

[Dragonfly77]

Make a Fighter Athe<3 Just way more in game expensive D:

I did make a PvP fighter, AthemisOfAbyss. XD I'm surprised how overpowered fighters are...

It's really handy to kill archers though...I know what they're thinking...I always laugh how a fighter gets himself kited by an archer..it just seems so obvious how to avoid it..but on the flipside, I'm not the best fighter. I keep forgeting to time buffs.

[Dthugtherealist]

at low lvls with the right stuff yea Fighters are OP in everything I'll admit that. At 91+ grinding is x.x

[Dragonfly77]

o.o *kites past fighters* Nyahahaha~

[Dthugtherealist]

o.o *kites past fighters* Nyahahaha~

Tempest did that xD still <3 her tho

[RyaikenDune]

at low lvls with the right stuff yea Fighters are OP in everything I'll admit that. At 91+ grinding is x.x

BTW, I'm planning to change that notion. So far ShadowbyrdV2 on Cypion has been eating fighters for breakfast in npc gear. Sometimes two at a time. But seriously, my pvp will prolly cap at 76 rofl. If I level above that it'll only be for DT and shiz...

[Dragonfly77]

Levels 4x-6x is probably the best levels to pvp on an archer. But truly, you only use npc gears? What is your build?

[weird_teen24]

my 36 archer can kill fully npc fighters :c

[Ex.plode]

I did make a PvP fighter, AthemisOfAbyss. XD I'm surprised how overpowered fighters are...

It's really handy to kill archers though...I know what they're thinking...I always laugh how a fighter gets himself kited by an archer..it just seems so obvious how to avoid it..but on the flipside, I'm not the best fighter. I keep forgeting to time buffs.

I know the strategy!!

You just go in your house and ignore the unfair-ly low damage numbers float over your head.

a.k.a buff archers pl0x OOS / OS :(

[RyaikenDune]

Levels 4x-6x is probably the best levels to pvp on an archer. But truly, you only use npc gears? What is your build?

IMO 76 is the best level for archers. Cause you've got the big evasion upgrade from 6x-7x, you've got T2 Nature's Speed with a blue bow/xbow. You don't have to go up against BK weapons and shiz with high aim (which, I believe is the point where archers fail lol). Plus my 50 DEX archer on Bijou hit 1k evasion at 64 with t3 scroll, so I'm assuming 1k evasion is more than possible at 76 with no dex in build?

Full STR. Going to add 25 spr at 76 and cap there.
Just hit 55 and got a multiset today. But it fails. So yeah. I have nice rings tho.


I know the strategy!!

You just go in your house and ignore the unfair-ly low damage numbers float over your head.

a.k.a buff archers pl0x OOS / OS :(

(>',')> <( ',' )> <(','<)

[paella]

Levels 4x-6x is probably the best levels to pvp on an archer. But truly, you only use npc gears? What is your build?

I disagree. My archer is 100. When I am invisible amazing things happen. I win + my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

[weird_teen24]

Troll accounts are funny :c

[leobaloy]

6x is the best for an archer to pvp....i won/got 2nd in pvp kq so many times

and w/o sc and w/o hammer rofl :c
Well I only had a ninja suit, no ext or any other fancy things

I did have a godly set though :c


After 7x..for some reason pvp against a fighter just seems impossible

[RyaikenDune]

I'd have to say 7x is the best level for archers.Mainly cause I'm scared of BK aim. Whut chu talking about Leo? I used to kill 7x fighters on Shadowbyrd all the time... and he was 64 rofl.

[weird_teen24]

at 4x if an archer kills me I assume their charmed :c

[RyaikenDune]

I'll take you up on that after this exp boost ends and I start levelling on teva.