END fighter vs. DD archer

[impellette]

I was in a Mini Dragon KQ last night, DD archer was verbally abusive towards the group because, in his words "*** fighter can't hold aggro". He talked smack the whole way up to dragon, so when he hesitated, I was like "go on". He said no way, he's a DD. Guess who stole aggro (and died) multiple times pulling dragon off of fighter?

Now, I'd like a consensus please. Who is really at fault? End fighter or DD archer?



This has probably been asked before...but I can't be looking it up when I feel so crappy today. :(

[hogashoshiro]

I would think it's the fighter as it is the archers job to deal damage.... It's up to the fighter to hold aggro, through mock/sneering kick. However, that's not always the case, was he feared by ducky when he lost aggro? xD Then again, the fighter might have been more than capable of holding aggro too but chose not to since the archer was talking smack :p

Can't really decide who's at fault since I wasn't there to observe the situation, but really the bottom line comes down to, that it's the fighters fault. He's supposed to be tanking holding aggro while archers and mages deal damage.

In my opinion anyway~

[superduperpink]

If the fighter cannot keep aggro from the others it is ultimately his fault. I can understand if he was just an full END fighter that it may be a little harder but, it was his descision to go END, he should have STR greens and such.
The archer, however, was really being full of himself. Not a good way to get a good reputation in Fiesta.

[FatalLace]

the fighter is at fault for not maintaining aggro. it is the fighter's job to constantly kick and mock the target being held. in MD's case, u should be kicking everytime your kick cools down, and if u can handle it, saving mock for when the mobs spawn. obviously if you're feared, there's nothing u can do about the aggro loss there.

if the thought was intentional to lose aggro, then so be it.. but really, the fighter should not have had a problem as long as they were conscientious about holding aggro. the fighter could just auto-attack and spam kick and there wouldn't be an issue.

i don't defend the archer's mouthiness... but still, if the kq was a fail because the fighter couldn't hold the aggro as intended.. well, it's on the fighter irregardless of the other jerks.

[impellette]

K, I appreciate the responses. I really only got my end fighter up to 50 and switched to archer. My archer is a DD as well ^^. So I guess what I learned was that if my shots were to powerful to back off a little bit.


Makes me think I should go revisit my fighter again for awhile. ><

I guess what I really thought was that the archer was intentionally attempting to steal aggro from the fighter just to have a reason to keep running his mouth. :(

[FatalLace]

K, I appreciate the responses. I really only got my end fighter up to 50 and switched to archer. My archer is a DD as well ^^. So I guess what I learned was that if my shots were to powerful to back off a little bit.

Makes me think I should go revisit my fighter again for awhile. ><

I guess what I really thought was that the archer was intentionally attempting to steal aggro from the fighter just to have a reason to keep running his mouth. :(

he may have been, but really the fighter could have (and should have) controlled the situation by merely spamming kick.

fighters losing aggro to +9+10 bow wielding archers is pretty common in MD and KKP, it's mostly just a case of lazy fighters thinking a mock every 20-30 seconds is sufficient. so they're either lazy, unknowing, or just don't take pride or pleasure in the science of tanking.

[john99944]

The archer is at fault！hes da one who kept blabbering!

AND ITS NOT A FIGHTER'S FAULT IF HE LOSES AGGRO TO HIGH DD ARCHER ANYWAYS!

[soulofdarkness]

why didnt the archer do his natures move thing? the one that loses aggro?

[zoro.ronoroa]

My bro and I are archer and fighter I being a ranger and he a Gladiator with no str in build due to the fact he was going knight but found PVP more interesting. Anyways. I can tell you that through our many levels together he has been able to take my aggro when I steal it. LOL we sometimes play a game but usually he can do it. I know this is a game however there is a person playing so I hope the archer learned to be kinder and hopefully got no exp from this KQ. As for natures protection it sometimes works or does not, it depends on the tank to get the aggro when the NP is applied. My wife being a cleric can tank for me and when I apply NP she has to use awaken or hit it enough to take the aggro. These are my thoughts on the matter.

Edelberto, Cypion ranger

[hamsterfest]

I agree that lower leveled fighters fail at tanking (and so do I :p) but what the archer could have done instead of potty mouthing (unless he was already doing it-->) was to go up to the boss every time NP cooled down and casted it. With my archer, I ALWAYS had to either become the back up tank or do that to keep my threat down. I'd say that the archer was unprepared for this common situation as much as the tank was a fail. If you know you're gonna pull aggro, then you prepare for it, with whatever you need to, like buffs and gear.

Advising people how to better play the class is good, but the minute you start insulting and cursing, you become the jerk, imo.

[FatalLace]

The archer is at fault！hes da one who kept blabbering!

AND ITS NOT A FIGHTER'S FAULT IF HE LOSES AGGRO TO HIGH DD ARCHER ANYWAYS!

spam kick and this won't ever be an issue on a single target (aside from getting feared/stunned or dead)

[impellette]

He was using NP, but he was waiting until dragon was near all the clerics and mages and other archers. Which left everyone else in a scramble. Also left the fighter running like crazy to pull it back to the wall.

I should have screenshotted the whole thing and reported the cursing. He even called people 'retar ded' to get around the filter. :/

I've been noticing a LOT of swearing in game chat lately. I don't mind it so much if there is like, a reason. Not AT anyone though. I don't understand why that is ever necessary.

All in all it was probably his whole game play that bothered me, and made me question who really was at fault. :(

[john99944]

I agree that lower leveled fighters fail at tanking (and so do I :p) but what the archer could have done instead of potty mouthing (unless he was already doing it-->) was to go up to the boss every time NP cooled down and casted it. With my archer, I ALWAYS had to either become the back up tank or do that to keep my threat down. I'd say that the archer was unprepared for this common situation as much as the tank was a fail. If you know you're gonna pull aggro, then you prepare for it, with whatever you need to, like buffs and gear.

Advising people how to better play the class is good, but the minute you start insulting and cursing, you become the jerk, imo.

I'll say. That archer should keep his mouth shut! （No offense to archer(if i see u in abyss ur goin down!)but he should learn to be more nice)


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[leobaloy]

Fighter is at fault, although MD is really easy. Holding aggro as a fighter isn't hard, especially at that level since you already have mock.

Mock + Kick + Slice and Dice(Slice and dice pulls aggro as well as additional damage), there is no reason why any fighter should lose aggro at all. (Aside from fear)

I've tanked it at lv46 on cleric, archer and fighter. All +0 no ext/charms wooooo........ t3 scrolls do wonders.

/lame

[hamsterfest]

He was using NP, but he was waiting until dragon was near all the clerics and mages and other archers. Which left everyone else in a scramble. Also left the fighter running like crazy to pull it back to the wall.

I should have screenshotted the whole thing and reported the cursing. He even called people 'retar ded' to get around the filter. :/

I've been noticing a LOT of swearing in game chat lately. I don't mind it so much if there is like, a reason. Not AT anyone though. I don't understand why that is ever necessary.

All in all it was probably his whole game play that bothered me, and made me question who really was at fault. :(

Using NP after MD comes to you is the most rude thing you can do, especially if you're pulling aggro like crazy (even if the fighter is fail.) It could go to other defenseless squishies and clerics like you said. It's common courtesy to run towards the tank when you gain aggro; if he can't do that and keeps blabbering about how bad the tank is, then he's a worse player than the tank D: I definitely think the cursing did it...oh man I remember, anytime someone didn't know how to pull a mob at least one person in the kq started insulting them right off the bat.


Fighter is at fault, although MD is really easy. Holding aggro as a fighter isn't hard, especially at that level since you already have mock.

Mock + Kick + Slice and Dice(Slice and dice pulls aggro as well as additional damage), there is no reason why any fighter should lose aggro at all. (Aside from fear)

I've tanked it at lv46 on cleric, archer and fighter. All +0 no ext/charms wooooo........ t3 scrolls do wonders.

/lame

I wish all fighters in MD were like you ._.' Most of them just go "I'm a dd D:" or "I need a t3 to tank, can i borrow some?" and in the worst situations they're the only tank....and most of them don't even use s/s D: Oh and the rest of them can't do anything and just sit there and don't even know how to do mob control....

[brave_dai]

i didn't read all posts but...
1- in MD KQ, if that was the only fighter tanking, it's not his fault, once he get fear he lose agro anyway.
2- if 2 or more fighters, it's their fault if they don't kick/mock constantly
3- if 2 or more fighters mock/kick constantly and they lose agro... it's OS fault :D not giving the fighter skills good effect to maintain agro off high damage classes

[ReplicaSwordsman]

This is funny, back then when I used to do MD a lot I was Full END and I never lost agro unless I had been Feared, and even then I always got it back quickly. I could easily Outdamage+Kick a Archer or a Mage and I was using +0's when it came to tanking it, every MD I was in was usually a succes unless there were no Clerics.

In this case it is the Fighter's fault, he has plenty of ways of holding agro and there is hardly an excuse to losing it to a lippy Archer. However the Archer could have helped as stated by others, he could have ran up to the tank to draw MD and used NP or help the tank regain agro at the least.

[joshuaancheta]

lol end on a fighter is fail :P

[aureliodiney]

An good DD it's smart and don't stole aggro... at least when the target it's a boss

[coles1]

I said could be either way because like others have said, it's the fighter's job to mock and kick the dragon and spawns. But if the fighter is feared, it's the archer's job to use nature's protection and pass off MD to the sub tank (which there should be).

After the original tank comes back from being feared, they should mock/kick their way back to having aggro again.

And that's why both people are at fault.

[weird_teen24]

fighters fault for not keeping agro, archers agro for talking :+|

and if u can handle it, saving mock for when the mobs spawn.


have you tried tanking MD at 4x with fail kick boots and random found greens and s/s with and little skill (like me before :x) and being the only tank and archers not mob controlling, theres very little incentive to mock the kq mobs, i was able to hold MD agro but not gonna risk my scrolls and the kq for the mobs
*goes to randomly foruming everywhere*

[MissusDolly]

MD has been failing a lot. And actually +9/+10 bows don't always pull aggro. I actually find that I, using a +0 bow, pull the most aggro out of all the DD's in MD. I pull MD every 2-5 minutes. And yes I have counted, I once pulled MD about 10 times throughout the whole process of killing him. Again a green +0 bow.

It seems more and more fighters just can't hold aggro. No one ever attempts HC on Apoline. Never. And normally only A fills up and they are lucky if they actually succeed. So I don't know, but the majority of the time it is the fighters fault in most cause especially when like three or four of them sit out. 4
-Dolly

[racegirl1985]

Archer's DOTs generate a lot of aggro so fighters need to keep mocking and kicking to keep the aggro on them. My fighter is full str and she only lost aggro when she got feared when tanking MD.

[bweezo]

With the given information, I would say that the tank is at fault. Even with my lower-than-1k damage (at level 90), I rarely need to use anything more than slice & dice to keep the aggro of a single target. Combine that with a couple kicks, and mock when the mobs come, and that dragon won't go anywhere.

If fear is involved, I don't think anyone is really "at fault," just that the archer needs to calm down.

[blackguy729]

i pickd the 3rd choice (stop haten on us end fighters)

fluffy could have feared the fighter at which point the fighter is running like an idiot for 8 seconds cause of fluffy's super fear. 8 seconds is plenty of time for fuffy to kill an archer. so at that point its the archers fault for thinking its the fighters fault.

now if fluffy diddnt look at the fighter funny and the fighter diddent ran like an idiot, then yeah it is the fighters fault.

i only ever had that problm wit +9 archers using epic CG xbows and spamming power shot. even then i kno allota 5x archer that can tank md anyway so it doesent really matter.

and fighters are not aggro salves. thers a reason we have dd fighters.

[weird_teen24]

and fighters are not aggro salves. thers a reason we have dd fighters.

that made me lol i'm sorry it just did

[fireyair]

We get it... archers suck... I wish everybody friggin' got over it and continue to let us kill oddly shaped purple bits of animated pudding with an indeterminate amount of pixelated pointy sticks and arched twigs.


Peace:cool:

[Neoninja7790]

Honestly it is the fighters fault, the archer sounds like a royal jerk though.

The fighters are no more then aggro slaves then clerics are heal slaves. Its there job so they expected to do and if they get they job done I don't care how they get it done or what else there doing just make sure you do your classes job. Just like Archers are ment to DD they are suppose to be dealing lots and lots of damage and the fighter needs to learn how to more effectively take back the aggro I have seen it done so I'm sure you can do it. So don't get upset with and archer or mage for DDing.