Seriously Disappointed with GMs and Adeline's Community

[neacolis]

Since when did SoS's GMs start getting their feelings hurt when people have issues with their events (in this case, town invasion)? Today's town invasion was riddled with complaints, as usual. But what's really disappointing is that the GMs got mad at the players for complaining and prematurely ended the event. Now, I'm not 100% sure of what a GM's job is, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't to ignore people when they have an issue with the game. So what's with all the censorship? Why are we suggesting that the people who have a problem with the game should be thrown in jail? Why are the opinions of the people who worship the GMs the only opinions that are listened to?

It is seriously disappointing to see the GMs fishing for compliments, and what's even more disappointing is that the Adeline community is encouraging this behavior. Whenever someone complained via yellow egg, someone else was there telling them to shut up. But why? How will the problems with these events ever be solved is we silence everyone who points one out?

This game is not perfect people, I'm sure we all know that very well. So why do our high lv players, who complain about everything that concerns them (hippos, too much available def, new maps, etc.), tell everyone who has a problem with town invasion to be quiet while they rack up all the xens? This hypocrisy needs to stop.

This game is becoming more and more like and oppressive government. Our community shuns everyone who doesn't stroke a GM's ego, and the GM's are afraid of criticism. I know that being a GM isn't easy, and I know that as a GM you all have a lot of work to do for the game. But that is your JOB, you get paid to do this because not everything is going to be happy and bright all the time.

This is the first time in my 3 years of playing this game that I've ever been disappointed in the community.

[GM_Phibes]

Thrown in jail? Fishing for compliments? GM's take endless insults, flames and nastiness from players but continue to do their jobs (the event is still going on, btw) and continue to work hard to grow the game and community. I think this post is more than a little bit ridiculous.

One thing we are not here to do is kiss up to players and stroke THEIR egos. Solstice GMs do no play favorites and will respond when players yellow egg things that are disparaging, disrupting of events and especially when they say things that are not true.

It sounds like you are unhappy that not eveyone is trashing the GMs non-stop and that some people actually have positive things to say. That is certainly the impression you are giving.

[neacolis]

Thrown in jail? Fishing for compliments? GM's take endless insults, flames and nastiness from players but continue to do their jobs (the event is still going on, btw) and continue to work hard to grow the game and community. I think this post is more than a little bit ridiculous.

One thing we are not here to do is kiss up to players and stroke THEIR egos. Solstice GMs do no play favorites and will respond when players yellow egg things that are disparaging, disrupting of events and especially when they say things that are not true.

It sounds like you are unhappy that not eveyone is trashing the GMs non-stop and that some people actually have positive things to say. That is certainly the impression you are giving.

And what exactly have those responses been? Today you pretty much told complainers to go offline. And another GM (I forget who) threatened to end the event. What kind of response is that? All you're doing is encouraging people to not voice their opinions, but for some "non-favoritism" reason, it's perfectly fine for people to say how much they love this event. What exactly is the criteria for "disrupting an event?" Is it spamming the chat with yeggs? Or is it spamming the chat with complaining yeggs? I saw no GM tell any admirers to stop yelling, so the impression I get is that YOU get to decide what disruption is, and that disruption is whatever you don't like.

I can't prove to you what my motives are for making this topic, so you can believe whatever impression you got from me in this topic if you want. The topic says what it says: I'm disappointed in the GMs because they are discouraging people from voicing their opinions, and I am disappointed in the community for encouraging this behavior.

[tomcat47]

Thrown in jail? Fishing for compliments? GM's take endless insults, flames and nastiness from players but continue to do their jobs (the event is still going on, btw) and continue to work hard to grow the game and community. I think this post is more than a little bit ridiculous.

One thing we are not here to do is kiss up to players and stroke THEIR egos. Solstice GMs do no play favorites and will respond when players yellow egg things that are disparaging, disrupting of events and especially when they say things that are not true.

It sounds like you are unhappy that not eveyone is trashing the GMs non-stop and that some people actually have positive things to say. That is certainly the impression you are giving.

What's ridiculous is how you treated us. Earlier today you said you "hated this community". And after you decided to ruin things because some people complain, you threaten to go to another game? If you don't like us and you don't want to be here, then why stay? Your sarcasm and rude remarks and starting to get annoying. You've gone from respectful and straightforward with bad apples, to just blatantly rude.

I am a paying customer and deserve to be treated like one. I don't expect you to suck up to me, but being rude is out of line in my opinion. You're getting paid to keep us happy and to keep this game running, no? You even said you're working hard to keep this community growing. Is that accomplished by sarcasm and disrespect?

[GM_Phibes]

What's ridiculous is how you treated us. Earlier today you said you "hated this community". And after you decided to ruin things because some people complain, you threaten to go to another game? If you don't like us and you don't want to be here, then why stay? Your sarcasm and rude remarks and starting to get annoying. You've gone from respectful and straightforward with bad apples, to just blatantly rude.

I am a paying customer and deserve to be treated like one. I don't expect you to suck up to me, but being rude is out of line in my opinion. You're getting paid to keep us happy and to keep this game running, no? You even said you're working hard to keep this community growing. Is that accomplished by sarcasm and disrespect?

This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. I never said I hated this community. Do not make things up just to suit your argument. You lose all credibility.

If people want to use this thread to complain and attack me, go ahead and vent away. Keep it within the rules or it gets closed.

Make an effort not to just make things up though, please.

[tomcat47]

I am not making anything up, thanks. Whether it was hate or dislike, you put us down. I remember it as hate, but I could be wrong. Unfortunately I did not think to screenshot it. Or I would gladly show you. Even that part out, everything else was sheer disrespect.

And thank you for not addressing anything else except for the one thing you have an argument for.

[neacolis]

Before this thread gets derailed, I'd like to point out that it was never the intent of this topic to single Phibes out for attack, as can be clearly seen in the opening post. Naturally, with Phibes being the only GM responding at the moment, our comments can only be directed at him, thus these "attacks" are the result of his being the only GM involvement.

Oh, and my other post was ignored completely.

[rubaonti]

My 2 cents here:

Phibes and RoboPanda do what they can do maintain the game alive, you know they are the only GMs for the whole 2 servers, right? That means they've got ENOUGH work on their hands, they even host weekly fun events! I don't really think Phibes or RoboPanda are doin' somethin' wrong. I personally think that our community is plain screwed, most players want everything to benefit them. It's not like in every freakin' game you play you're gonna get gifted free items, and here you do and a lot! They made this event FREE, why complain? It doesn't mean you're gonna get like 500 Xen Stones each time it happens, enjoy it! And acting this churlish towards the GMs won't give you anything, ask for things nicely and you'll have more chances of gettin' them. Didn't you get tought that at home? (*uber sigh*) And no, they are not developers, they can't put you your new map in the second you want it. Thanks for reading my post, I'm going to wait for the flamming ;D.

DON'T let this get you down Phibes, we love you <3! (in a way? ;D)

[neacolis]

My 2 cents here:

Phibes and RoboPanda do what they can do maintain the game alive, you know they are the only GMs for the whole 2 servers, right? That means they've got ENOUGH work on their hands, they even host weekly fun events! I don't really think Phibes or RoboPanda are doin' somethin' wrong. I personally think that our community is plain screwed, most players want everything to benefit them. It's not like in every freakin' game you play you're gonna get gifted free items, and here you do and a lot! They made this event FREE, why complain? It doesn't mean you're gonna get like 500 Xen Stones each time it happens, enjoy it! And acting this churlish towards the GMs won't give you anything, ask for things nicely and you'll have more chances of gettin' them. Didn't you get tought that at home? (*uber sigh*) And no, they are not developers, they can't put you your new map in the second you want it. Thanks for reading my post, I'm going to wait for the flamming ;D.

DON'T let this get you down Phibes, we love you <3! (in a way? ;D)

Why complain? The highest lv players have been dominating this event since it started. Even spawns dedicated to lower lv players don't matter because higher lv players can (and will) just go kill them for more Xens. Most of the community has to sit and watch as these events help the rich get richer with little effort done to stop it, not to mention how the drop rate in the Labyrinths was dropped so low that players killed hundreds of monsters to leave with less than 20 xens, such a great help for low lv players. If you're gonna make an event where you advertise that players can get xens, at least make it in some way viable that every player has a somewhat equal chance.

Why not complain when not all players get to benefit from this event? Just because the made the event better, does not meant that the event is good. There's still lots of changes that need to be made in order to make this event anywhere near fair, and no one should just concede and let the high lv players just take everything.

So what if there's only 2 GMs, if they don't like the job or the workload, they should quit. I understand that the GMs have a lot on their hands, but that doesn't mean that problems should be ignored or accepted. Right now the best I could hope for from the GMs is atleast some RECOGNITION that there is a problem and that they are concerned about it, rather than them just saying "stop complaining."

And that little last note is exactly what I'm talking about with the community. The big problem between the community and the GMs is that we have gotten too personal with the GMs. We've let our feelings for them cloud the fact that the GMs are professionals first and friends second, and that it is their job to see to the problems with the game first and so socialize with us second. We cut them slack because they're nice to us, and we hate anyone who isn't nice to the people who are nice to us.

Side note: If the GMs have so much on their hands, perhaps time could be better spent trying to solve important problems rather than having little events every 1-2 days to entertain the players. I'd much rather see the results of efforts put into major problems than to have a GM give me stuff for preforming some menial task.

[ARNOTA]

Why complain? The highest lv players have been dominating this event since it started. Even spawns dedicated to lower lv players don't matter because higher lv players can (and will) just go kill them for more Xens. Most of the community has to sit and watch as these events help the rich get richer with little effort done to stop it, not to mention how the drop rate in the Labyrinths was dropped so low that players killed hundreds of monsters to leave with less than 20 xens, such a great help for low lv players. If you're gonna make an event where you advertise that players can get xens, at least make it in some way viable that every player has a somewhat equal chance.
As a very economically stable (AKA $Rich$) high level player i have to agree that people in this event mostly the high levels do seem to dominate it pretty well. Usually i am stuck in jot most the time but i have ventured out to other towns, and from what i see i would definitely say that high levels do take advantage of the event in order to get more xens. The biggest ones i have noticed are archmages or mages aoeing in bryn because they can frost all the low level monsters then just volcano them to death and pick up all the xens. I also see archers and rangers killing low level monsters simply because they can kill them so fast. I have also noticed people purposely hitting others mobs just to make them run away. It does suck that the drop rate in the labyrinth was changed but lets be honest in the past it have been way to high. And really the people that got most the xens were not lower level players but people that made alts just to go into the labyrinth. But yeah overall i think there are ways to improve the event but it would take lots of work and really is unfeasible because it would require people to not do what they do best and that's be greedy

[abbaboy]

I'd like to add my opinion here.

I have worked since 2006 as a Community Administrator for a huge online community (Fotolog, it has over 30,000,000 accounts). I know they are different since this is a game and Fotolog is an online photo-blogging community but I believe they have a lot of things in common.

I have learned that no matter what you do, there will be always users who like to disrupt the community because they want to or because they are not pleased. Most of them are paying users (The website is free but you can pay to have premium features) but the rules are applied to everybody in the same way and we have no 'favourite users' or so.

GM's do not ignore users. They just can't private message you when you have an issue. If they did, they would get flooded with a lot of requests. At Fotolog we can't provide support to users via private messages or so. They have to contact Consumer Support (As they do here) so they can obtain the appropriate support and it makes things faster and better, believe me.

About the user who said that he is a paying user, It is really appreciated and you paid to get premium features (clothes, power ups, etc) but you are not paying to get something else. Although it is really appreciated (It is) you were not forced to buy something nor you need to pay to play. It was your choice to pay for the premium features/clothes and It's your money and you can spend it on whatever you want.

I've been here for a long time and I have witnessed that a lot of people (not everybody) keep complaining at everything.

It is really hard to please everybody and keep in mind that this is a community. There will (and there are) be a lot of people who will complain of everything, why? Because they can. That's the only reason. I also recognize that there are reasonable complains: The lag issues and the disconnections but it's not up to the Gm's to fix that. They can talk to/contact the appropriate people to get that fixed but those issues are more complex than they seem. Talking about my job sometimes how I wish I could fix those problems! When the site is down I get messages asking "What is happening? Why? For how long?" and I have to explain them that I'm not a technician and my job is to moderate content/provide costumer (not the technical part) support and that's all... and there are a lot of people involved and that the company depends on external sources to get the site running. I think It might happen the same here talking about lag and disconnection issues. Sometimes we don't get the appropriate information to share with the users but it's not because we don't want to share it it's because there are several people involved. And If someone fails they make you look incompetent. And that happens in every company, every job.

Sometimes after a long day where you try to please everybody and make the community a better place you just read that there are people who aren't satisfied. But what is to be done? I have to recognize that no matter what you do THEY WILL NEVER BE PLEASED because what they demand are utopic requests. They want the site to be a happy place where there are no problems at all (talking about users' behaviour) or they want to get free things or premium features without paying anything nor doing anything.

Let's face it: This game could go on without any known/present GM's. If someone said a bad word they could be thrown in jail or banned without any warning.

The events are a priviledge not a right and we must be aware of this. If the company wants to organize events we should be thankful since they are trying to make the community fun and more enjoyable. We have interaction with the Gm's we can talk to them, have fun with them and all that and that's a bless at least for me. It's nice to have people who care and who are willing to read every comment (even if most of them are just insults or complains) They don't have the need to read all that nor appear among us but they do it because they care and they (talking about the company) want us to feel them close. It's not the same to play any online game and having no interaction with the people who run/moderate the game. Having contact with them makes the game more human, more fun, at least for me and for the people I have talked to.

I really admire the GM's since their work is not easy. I know it because I am one (as I said before) and I have had really serious issues where the users would get my e-mail address from who-knows-where and I used to get from insults to death threatenings (yes, seriously) because people were mad because they got banned or because they just wanted to yell their frustration at the first person from the company they could find.

I have read that people said that the Gm's have been rude and I have read the conversations that happened today and I couldn't find anything rude, seriously. They have been really tolerant and they haven't asked nor fished compliments. There are people who we really like them somehow. Talking about me, as I have said before I admire and understand their job.

This game is really nice, fun and enjoyable. I know that there are people who will try to ruin the fun for everybody, why? Well, there are several answers to that but to make it short it might be people who are not happy with their life and they want to ruin everybody's fun, but it depends of you if they affect you or not. I was kill-stolen a few mobs from the invasion but you know what? I didn't care. If they think that that is cool, good for them... and I'm a priest and It's not like it's really easy nor fast for me to kill mobs but I gave it a try and I had a fun. I got like 10 Xens and one Dark Lucky Ball and that's cool. I didn't expect to get anything, honestly, but I got them. They were free, how can I complain for not getting more free stuff? Even if you didn't get any you had the chance.

This is game, it's supossed to be fun. Do not take anything as personal. Respect each other and the most important thing: HAVE FUN. Life is too short to fixate on bad things.

I'd like to end with my favourite quote

"If you want the best of me, you will have to give the same" - Lynda

Diego
(abbadiego, Adeline)

[wardomic]

Nice post abbaboy

Anyways, on the subject of the rich getting richer, in which it's higher level players with all this stuff making alts for labs, and wizards/archers speed killing lower level monsters, I've been thinking.... Adeline's economy is messed up, I also think marian will slowly go that way as well. Maybe it's for the best that, until these events can be made fair, that xen dropping events such as town invasion and any kind of PoX like events come to a hault. There are thousands of xens in the game already, and these events just keep pouring them in. Why not allow them to be used, dispersed, etc....

Without town invasion and pox, that's slightly less stress on gms so that they can focus on other things. There's always other events that they've been doing, why not focus on having fun and not getting rich in game. The economy is already messed up lets take a step to help fix things by not adding more to the plate.

[Orangeman21]

Definately bringing up the issue here that has been on my mind for awhile now, how this community is becoming worse and on a slippery slope of becoming another average community from being probally one of the best ever. I'm way to tired right now to get into a rant, but I will say players on each server need a real attitude adjustment, I will include myself since I am just as guilty.

I think Phibes and Robo are doing the best job as GM actually getting content to this game and getting things fixed faster than they have ever been. Really people should be thankful to be having any events and free ones albiet that, guess no one remembers the days anymore that almost all the events were sparkcash and the period of time we had absolutely no events.

[tomcat47]

I agree the complaining needs to stop, and the shouts are very annoying. I came out with more xens than I'd ever gotten from any PoX or TI before. I would have liked the whole thing to be like the very last part <3 but oh well. I do appreciate the events and never complain about free xens lol.

My only complaint is some of the comments by one our hosts. ;x

[TheDarkSenshi]

Solstice GMs do no play favorites

I do know for a fact GMs play favorites with the servers. I've seen how generous the GMs are to Marian compared to Adeline. GMs coming to people's class changes and spawning mobs that drop xens just becuz they are changing to 4th class. I am told that the GMs often reward Marian for nothing at all.. by several Marian players. You don't see that happening on Adeline what so ever.


One thing we are not here to do is kiss up to players and stroke THEIR egos.

When waz this said?? I think there is a bit of twisting with words here. I do believe Armads said:
Our community shuns everyone who doesn't stroke a GM's ego, and the GM's are afraid of criticism.



It sounds like you are unhappy that not eveyone is trashing the GMs non-stop and that some people actually have positive things to say

I read Armads post very throughly and I don't believe this is what he's saying. No where did I get this impression. Armads is genuinely concerned about this issue. With the positive things said there are negatives to go along. Good can not happen without the bad, and at times the bad out weighs the good... I very much agree with notRiku about how you do respond to some players. Maybe you need to work on how you word things. I mean.. I can think of something that you posted way back that definitely needed to be re-worded. It waz unprofessional and uncalled for. I waz HIGHLY disappointed. I do apologize if it seems I'm picking at your words... I just think that certain things in your post need to be addressed.

There's not enough people calling people out these days especially in a mature manner..... GMs are people too who make the same mistakes the community does. To error is human.... How else are we gona learn? Through our mistakes. People just need to man up and admit to their mistakes... and take responsibility for them. God knows I'm not perfect and I make mistakes daily.. but I can say I admit to them and do my best to make things right.


This community has gone to crap. It waz one of the best communities I've ever been apart of. I agree with Dipple on the community needing a real MAJOR attitude adjustment.. I will also include myself in that as well. Tho my attitude towards the community lately is bitter.. Then again people do nothing to better it. I see the GMs working to better the game. BUT the community needs to work on bettering the community. The GMs can not fix that. We are the only ones who can. Guess what tho? It's not gona happen. People are too busy knocking others down.. belittling and flaming. Myself included. People being too "immature" in resolving things. The same issues apply in the real world. Nothing is gona get better unless WE, the people, DO something about it. Until then I will continue to lurk the forums... and I will continue not playing the game.

The day people stop taking things for granted is the day peace might actually happen......

[linyue]

ok I dont want to complain about the GMs here
(for me they doing their jobs ok just yesterday was a bit craaaaaaaaazyyyyyyyyyy overloaded ....)

Just want to point out why the Town Invasion is going crazy now:
First of all this the only Event where we can get Xens alot of Xens (and yea its way more than POX for some of ppl)
why we need xens is not really to enhance gears now its more for buying UE Pets
I noticed the Prices of the DEF mounts the last month its going way too high now
I mean a white Tiger Def cost 30 UE pets now well ppl saying I know its greedy much becuz just 1 week ago it was at 20 UE Pets and we all know to get UE Pets only way is to hatch it themself but oh well its too slow so ppl got crazy on getting xens and buying them! And not all ppl have so much luck on enhancing so they decide to buy it the faster way they get the chance of it = Xens D: Town Invasions bla bla
And well the Prices of Old mount def and New mount def are really a BIG diffrence o_O
LB mounts are not really helping it becuz well its called LUCKY Ball <.< and still need enhance it ...
(and yea some high ppl getting 500+ xens each town Invasions, u just need to know how
and without the hippos they wud get waaaaay more ... lolol I just say AOE)

Ok thx for reading why Town Invasions are getting crazy now
Reasons --> AOE; Ksing; Greedy to kill low lvl mobbs ;O and for Healer its all pain ouch ;_;
(I remeber the Town Invasion without Xens and Sc Items ...
there was not so much trouble o.o they just wanted more mobbs ...)

[saiguru]

I always find it funny that people who dont play still bother throwing there opinions in. If youre not actively in the game, don tell those who are how we should fix anything.

1. these GM's currently do more for the game than any before them have, including break and rider.

2. To those crying that the GM's sometimes whip out a sarcastic comment or two at player complaining with yellow egg shouts: have you guys noticed that phibes and robopanda, when recieving complaints about aspects of the gam in the proper venue and presented with some form of logic and respect, that they will both listen, discuss, and try to get it fixed and or changed?

do you also notice that when they revert to the occasional sarcastic reply it is in response to people criticizing not the game, but offering up "constructive criticism" directed at the GM's themselves is very basty and personal terms which amount to very negative personal comments in bad english that generally sound liek this: "GM do ur job! i and at evnt and were KS you sux" "GM, U R teh wurst i r to low levl fer dis, you sux at ur job!"

now imagine yourself, a grown man getting harangued by whiny self important children(ranging in ages from 12 to 35(and some of the worst children are in the thirties here) alllll day while youre trying to do your job, eventually your gonna end up poking back a bit.

3. the community sucks, you all suck. and your gonna push the first couple of good GM's we got right out the door with your petty jealous whining that amounts to: look what he got that i couldnt, give it to me or fix it so its easier for me get. and if you cant or wont, you suck i hate you and i hate everyone so ill ruin everything i see.

[Maxout]

I understand how ppl r feeling but the Gms are not to blame its the community. the ppl who are rich in game are the ppl who say don't complain . they are also the ppl who spend most of there day playing and spending count less money on sc. If we are going to get the community back to the way it was we need to give ourselves a major attitude adjustment my self in included.

[heeroyhui]

First of all; The title is too big for this situation.

How many players enjoyed the event yesterday? 500?, more?. And how many were using yeggs to complain?; 5-10 (Around 2% let's say).

-Adeline server have this kind of situations because there are more players.

-Why does ppl complain?; -Because they can't get insane amounts of xens-, And who are those players that get more than 100 xens on this event? -The high lvl ones-.
Now, is that unfair?... Not at all, since it's a reward for all the time and dedication we have put on this game.
In the other had, These complainers are players who never get ready for the town invasion lvling and buying good stuff helps a lot] (And im not against them, since that's their own way to enjoy this awesome game ^^). And their complains are this "There are no low lvl mobs!!!", =While i was on Jot killing Ice and Library mobs, i took the time to see with my alts the novice lab, and it was full of mobs, also bryn had many mobs=

Understand this: If you want something, you should work hard for it and not blame someone else (Like the GMs or high lvl players). In some way, it's really easy to hit a good lvl in a few days so you can get rich on invasion. And you can get insane amouns of xens if you work hard for them.

Also, as a note, yesterday we had the Wyrm on Eir, and some players killed the lesser but they couldn't with the Big one, so i took the time to kill it and a few players helped using healing skills, or even mounts stun, and after 20 minutes the Dragon fell down, but when it was like 1/4 away from dying, some nub players (those who were using yeggs to complain) they came to hit the dragon 1, and miss. And Nad said: Remember that the drops are for -Xeros- he's killing it alone, and they said: It's soo unfair that we can't enjoy the drops, only High lvl players can!. At the end one of them took 1 of the drops (pibriums) and i got the Xen. (Now you can see what kind of ppl are those who complain);)

NOTE: GMs: The invasion was awesome, and fun.

[sparkwulf]

I just have one teensy tiny question! Is it true that the TI in adeline went for a longer time than in Marian?
Cause I read posts in facebook:

GM_Phibes: Total Carnage on Adeline!!!!!
16 hours ago · Comment · Like

GM_Phibes: Its still going on, (person)... its been going on all day and will continue for some time so that players in other time zones can get a taste! A little experiment we're trying.
14 hours ago · Like

GM_Phibes: The exp boost is still on and the monsters are still flowing...
11 hours ago · Comment · Like



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Oh and about the high lvl thing, There are 3 perfectly good labyrinths they can spawn monsters on. Why dont they use the Expert labyrinth too and let all the 100+ have fun in the towns? Note that that if you die in the labyrinth you DO lose experience unlike in the towns.

[wisehart]

I am seriously dissapointed in the whiners and complainers... The GM's are putting on FREE event's you should be thanking them not insulting/complaining etc.

Of course dont think these people should be thrown in jain... just overweighted with Cheese (that you cant use or bank, drop or delete) that they must NPC to get rid of... because Cheese does go with whine.. :)

I don't usually make it to the game til usually after town invasion are over or nearly done, but that is my problem you don't see me complaining that the timing for the events is not fair to me.. (of course yesterday's event last a very long time.... :) so I did get to see some of it (3 xens :) ) and I say..

Thanks for the Event GMs it was wonderful... :)

[heeroyhui]

On Adeline we took some breaks. They spawned one tier of mobs, and then on the next hour they spawned again, etc.. (It was long i would say)

[GM_Phibes]

Spark, the events run in cycles (once on each server) and we tried something different yesterday on Adeline. Of course we will do the same thing on Marian (including SC item drops).

[sparkwulf]

Ah thanks for answering and clearing it up Xeros and Phibes.

[abbaboy]

Yeah Xeros I remember the thing about the Dragon, I was the Priest on the giant black cat wearing a Mexican Hat. It was fun. The bad is thing that they came when you were almost done with it. It was fun though :D

[bloodly-chan]

If you don't like the game, then leave. None of the rest of us want to listen to your whiny complaints. If you have an issue about how the event is running, think of a BETTER idea, bring it up on forums (which are actually being read now, <3~!) or just shut your yap.

No matter what a GM does, there will always be people complaining, and every time I see a shout whining about something like "SO AND SO KSED MY MOB", "THIS EVENT SUCKSSSSSS", and whatever else (of course with not as good spelling as I have....) I want to punch something.

Anyone remember that huge maybe 6 month period where we didn't get ANY EVENTS whatsoever other than the random 2am mob spawns (on a whim) and GM's talking in towns? The fact that the GM's are actively trying, not to mention LISTENING to some of the ideas that we have is such a huge step up that I wonder why something like this didn't happen ages ago. We are actually getting actual posts on forums about things that we're suggesting, and GM's are actually REPLYING to some of the threads.

Yes, the events need work, yes, the 14x+ shadow masters need to stop kiling the poyos that's for the noobs, but the important thing is that they are TRYING.
Personally, I feel like SoS is full of kindergartners. You give them a cookie, they want ten more. Once they get a taste for something, they want more more more more. I think this is the reason for RoboPanda's famous quote "This is why we can't have nice things." Because once this community gets the nice things, they want them all the time, but better and better, only benefiting themselves, really.

I DO have issues with some of the ways that things are being run, but I recognize that our GM's are trying, harder than any of the gm's we've had in a long long time. Nothing's gonna be perfect, but baby steps at a time, baby steps...

[wisehart]

[QUOTE=bloodly-chan;3305133]If you don't like the game, then leave. None of the rest of us want to listen to your whiny complaints. If you have an issue about how the event is running, think of a BETTER idea, bring it up on forums (which are actually being read now, <3~!) or just shut your yap.

No matter what a GM does, there will always be people complaining, and every time I see a shout whining about something like "SO AND SO KSED MY MOB", "THIS EVENT SUCKSSSSSS", and whatever else (of course with not as good spelling as I have....) I want to punch something.

Anyone remember that huge maybe 6 month period where we didn't get ANY EVENTS whatsoever other than the random 2am mob spawns (on a whim) and GM's talking in towns? The fact that the GM's are actively trying, not to mention LISTENING to some of the ideas that we have is such a huge step up that I wonder why something like this didn't happen ages ago. We are actually getting actual posts on forums about things that we're suggesting, and GM's are actually REPLYING to some of the threads.

Yes, the events need work, yes, the 14x+ shadow masters need to stop kiling the poyos that's for the noobs, but the important thing is that they are TRYING.
Personally, I feel like SoS is full of kindergartners. You give them a cookie, they want ten more. Once they get a taste for something, they want more more more more. I think this is the reason for RoboPanda's famous quote "This is why we can't have nice things." Because once this community gets the nice things, they want them all the time, but better and better, only benefiting themselves, really.

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I second this!

[GM_Phibes]

I'm sure Panda will blush at being quoted.. Lets try to keep it civil, folks. It is cathartic to vent but it can also lead to people getting madder instead of feeling better.

[AnimePimp66]

i think this was way better and less stressful than teired poxes where you gotta buy a sc item and stress making alts and preping them b4 each teir to get the most benefit @.@ and lets not forget how laggy it is when you got everyone crammed in a small room with hundreds of monsters

[neacolis]

[CENTER][B]First of all; The title is too big for this situation.

How many players enjoyed the event yesterday? 500?, more?. And how many were using yeggs to complain?; 5-10 (Around 2% let's say).

Many people at these events do not have yeggs or just don't wish to waste them complaining. It's flawed logic to assume that everyone who didn't use a yegg to complain loved the event.



-Why does ppl complain?; -Because they can't get insane amounts of xens-, And who are those players that get more than 100 xens on this event? -The high lvl ones-.
Now, is that unfair?... Not at all, since it's a reward for all the time and dedication we have put on this game.

That's not true. The town invasion is not advertised as an opportunity for high level people to get crazy xens. It's supposed to be for everybody to enjoy, but now, since the introduction of Xen drops, the enjoyment factor is in the Xens, and only people who got lots of them will say that they enjoyed it.

Town Invasion is in no way meant to be a reward for people who've spent lots of time on the game, and this sense of entitlement to the Xens is completely unwarranted.


=While i was on Jot killing Ice and Library mobs, i took the time to see with my alts the novice lab, and it was full of mobs, also bryn had many mobs=

Did you spend any time in the labs at all? The Xen drop rate was severely cut, and no one person left with more than 20 xens after 2 hours of fighting.


Understand this: If you want something, you should work hard for it and not blame someone else (Like the GMs or high lvl players). In some way, it's really easy to hit a good lvl in a few days so you can get rich on invasion. And you can get insane amouns of xens if you work hard for them.

You're directing attention away from the main problem. The town invasion is meant for everyone to enjoy, but not everyone has the ability (or lv) to enjoy it. Whether or not someone works hard for what they get is irrelevant to what this topic is about. Regardless of what someone does or what level they are or how much time they put into the game, that doesn't change the fact that this event is not true to its purpose. If the intent for this event was truly for everyone to have an equal shot at getting Xens, then something should be done to make that feasible, instead of praying that high lv players don't hoard everything event after event. What solution can be reached? I can think of some, but that's not why I made this topic. The first step is admitting that there is a problem, the second is solving it.

Broad Point: To the people saying that "GMs are trying hard/GMs are doing better than previous GMs" This has been an issue for months, and it's not enough anymore to say that GMs are trying to get this solved. Where's the evidence? Has there yet been a plan presented to solve the various problems? It seems to me like we hear the same complaints every time town invasion comes around and there's been not a word from the GMs on any intent to fix it. You can accept the "we're working on it" excuse for as long as you like, but if you don't demand some evidence, they can say that to you as long as they want.

Sidenote: It appears that the degree of complaints referred to by the topic is not understood. I was unclear, but it's difficult differentiating one form of complaining from another. Of course, the random, unwarranted complaining about trivial things shouldn't be tolerated; however, I saw none of that in yeggs yesterday. Several complaints about the nature of the event, especially the inability for weaker player to get xens in the presence of higher level players, were shot down and ignored. There is no set standard for what a valid complaint is; however, ones that concern the greater picture of the function of the game, considering all players, are the ones I'm defending. It may be a little late for this now.

[wardomic]

I remember that very well senshi, I was actually the only one who said anything on that facebook post about how he used a wrong choice in words, and was actually the direct cause of flames before he turned everything around.

Anyways skipping most of the posts and will just say Armads is right. If we focused less on xen drops and more on having fun, then things would be fairer. Why not have them offer other drops instead, such as enhancement drops(silkion/stars/equis/over/hypermill) and prophecy fragments(which are even rarer than xens). Seriously the events are not as fun as they could be because low and mid level people, even higher levels who are properly prepared can't enjoy it thanks to even higher levels+greedyness.

[deoxys114]

Many people at these events do not have yeggs or just don't wish to waste them complaining. It's flawed logic to assume that everyone who didn't use a yegg to complain loved the event.
Weggs. I always carry at least 50 on me at any one time. You know to shout in maps to look for AoErs and announcing a respawn. Don't others?...Anyways, Weggs are a simple and cheap way to voice your opinion. The GMs are going to be in Essene or Joht, so the chances they get through are pretty good.



Did you spend any time in the labs at all? The Xen drop rate was severely cut, and no one person left with more than 20 xens after 2 hours of fighting.
The fact that they cut down on the amount of Xens in Labs is a bad idea, since not only are there normal monsters there, but there is also % loss. If anything, the Xen rate should have increased. Lol.

Though I must say, in a successful event of TI that I've been in, I left with 5x Xens. So hearing only getting 20 Xens, compared to the usual 5 or 6 that I get, I find that a pretty good haul. The reason I got the 5x Xens btw, was because I hit a stroke of luck, appearing right where some quickly killable monsters (lvl 3 sewer rats) spawned inside the Alchemist place in Bryn, so it was a nice and small place. I had 2 pets out with a slime bean on. Then I ran right into a spawn of Valentine Ninjas and killed them while spamming flasks for some good amounts. But that was just extremely lucky. Note, I was lvl 80-85 at the time (forgot exactly), so I wasn't very high lvl. Point is, I would die to be able to walk out with 20 or so Xens, even 10 Xens every time. I think that is pretty good.


Broad Point: To the people saying that "GMs are trying hard/GMs are doing better than previous GMs" This has been an issue for months, and it's not enough anymore to say that GMs are trying to get this solved. Where's the evidence? Has there yet been a plan presented to solve the various problems? It seems to me like we hear the same complaints every time town invasion comes around and there's been not a word from the GMs on any intent to fix it. You can accept the "we're working on it" excuse for as long as you like, but if you don't demand some evidence, they can say that to you as long as they want.
As the generic response goes, "There are far more important things to worry about." Events are optional, you don't have to go, and the GMs don't have to host them. They are just throwing us a bone to keep us happy until they get the new content, which is far more important than some event that won't change the status quo of things (rich get richer, poor get slightly richer). I would be willing to bet that ppl would be far happier to see a thread about future content suggestions (new maps, dungeons, etc) over suggestions to change an event.

[saiguru]

It's the tone of the complaints. People keep throwing around "do your job" "you suck" "this event sucks" people suck" "high levels suck" "I only got 20 xens in two hours"

This nonsense is NOT constructive and is being belched out in yellow eggs during the events. They have 2 gms spawning mobs in 4 Or 5 different areas and peoe expect that by yelling "this sucks I only got 15 xens and a high level ks me!" while it's going on is going to get those 2 people to change the course and fundamental make of the event AND monitor kill stealing? And when they ate being insulted? Get real guys. If you gonna crap on on someone you expect them to open thier mouth and eat it?

And think about it, even of you get only 20 15 even 5 xens in this thing over 2 hours, how many xens would you have gotten just training? You're still ahead, duh.

The event can be tweaked, but do not blame greed on high levels part for you getting less, because you are still getting more than you can in the course of an entire day or most likely days of regular playing, but you still complain cause you want more. Sounds greedy hypocrites.

Instead of vomitting out barbs against gms job try asking for tweaks. They just might listen if you ask them like human beings instead of whine *** kicked little puppies.

Did you notice this? A lot of players complained they miss the event due to time Zones and or not being home whenever they run it. Did it occur to you that's why the time format changed? Starting earlier, having breaks and lasting later into the night, to accomadate those people so more can at least participate!? Why? They asked nice!

make this crap thread positive and post suggestions of how youd like the GM's to follow your whiny little whims to make sure you allll get rich, but do it nice and constructive and maybe something good will happen.

for example:

make it like pox in the sense that levels will be seperated by town.

dont mix the mobs up, jot all high level mobs. hippos, ice dungeon mobs and amor bangle whatever.

essene mid level, candyvault lower and so on.

and make everyone stick to the town with thier levels.

the biggest problem is this: the mobs levels are all mixed. now diring the event i was smashing some hippos, right next to me i see like 100 little bats that i can kill kind of easy just appear, now im gonna think: "wait wait thyere for low levels ill let them go."? hell no, imma stun them and aoe kill as many as possible. if they didnt mix the mobs with such a high disparity in level this wouldnt happen.

and this is why the high levels get so many more, NO ONE is gonna stand there and watch a giant mob full of monsters they can kill in 3 hits fly by all potentially containing xens. not gonna happen. but if they force a seperation by town,and only spawn monsters for whatever levels are put in that town, this will make the lag that plagued the old PoX event a non issue like the town invasion currently does, and make all the people complaining they dont "get enough" blame thier own crap playing for a change.

listen to yourselves.

dont complain "im being kill stoelen, fix it!" "high level takes everything, fix it! jerks!"

instead think, and wonder what is the root of why these things happen? and not "greed" people are idiots and mean" but why are they ABLE to do this. and suggest how to combat it.

wall street tanked becaue of greed, but they were able to eff it up because of bad regulation, because people in charge didnt forsee it, no one tipped them off, this is similir, we just gotta work with them not pee in thier cheerios to get attention like little kids.

[tomcat47]

Random comment: The drop rate was pretty bad in Novice Lab at first, but later on that night the Novice Lab had more monsters. They even put it in notice. And....I seriously got xens from mobs 8/10 kills. And they were all 1 or 2 hit kills. It was awesome. T_T If i didnt lag so much, I would have seriously gotten over 100+ just from then. I came out with 40 though, even with terrible lag and not being able to move around.

[sparkwulf]

Wait they lowered the drop rate in the labyrinths? That's the only place i could be in peace. Last TI in Marian i never left the noob labyrinth and it went pretty well. Did people really only leave with 2x xens from the labys? O.o

[GM_Phibes]

There was no change to the drop rate in the Labyrinths. We are populating multiple maps during the event, so finding yourself in a location that is "running dry" will happen if you get there before it gets repopulated.

[neacolis]

It's the tone of the complaints. People keep throwing around "do your job" "you suck" "this event sucks" people suck" "high levels suck" "I only got 20 xens in two hours"

This nonsense is NOT constructive and is being belched out in yellow eggs during the events. They have 2 gms spawning mobs in 4 Or 5 different areas and peoe expect that by yelling "this sucks I only got 15 xens and a high level ks me!" while it's going on is going to get those 2 people to change the course and fundamental make of the event AND monitor kill stealing? And when they ate being insulted? Get real guys. If you gonna crap on on someone you expect them to open thier mouth and eat it?

And think about it, even of you get only 20 15 even 5 xens in this thing over 2 hours, how many xens would you have gotten just training? You're still ahead, duh.

The event can be tweaked, but do not blame greed on high levels part for you getting less, because you are still getting more than you can in the course of an entire day or most likely days of regular playing, but you still complain cause you want more. Sounds greedy hypocrites.

Instead of vomitting out barbs against gms job try asking for tweaks. They just might listen if you ask them like human beings instead of whine *** kicked little puppies.

Did you notice this? A lot of players complained they miss the event due to time Zones and or not being home whenever they run it. Did it occur to you that's why the time format changed? Starting earlier, having breaks and lasting later into the night, to accomadate those people so more can at least participate!? Why? They asked nice!

make this crap thread positive and post suggestions of how youd like the GM's to follow your whiny little whims to make sure you allll get rich, but do it nice and constructive and maybe something good will happen.

for example:

make it like pox in the sense that levels will be seperated by town.

dont mix the mobs up, jot all high level mobs. hippos, ice dungeon mobs and amor bangle whatever.

essene mid level, candyvault lower and so on.

and make everyone stick to the town with thier levels.

the biggest problem is this: the mobs levels are all mixed. now diring the event i was smashing some hippos, right next to me i see like 100 little bats that i can kill kind of easy just appear, now im gonna think: "wait wait thyere for low levels ill let them go."? hell no, imma stun them and aoe kill as many as possible. if they didnt mix the mobs with such a high disparity in level this wouldnt happen.

and this is why the high levels get so many more, NO ONE is gonna stand there and watch a giant mob full of monsters they can kill in 3 hits fly by all potentially containing xens. not gonna happen. but if they force a seperation by town,and only spawn monsters for whatever levels are put in that town, this will make the lag that plagued the old PoX event a non issue like the town invasion currently does, and make all the people complaining they dont "get enough" blame thier own crap playing for a change.

listen to yourselves.

dont complain "im being kill stoelen, fix it!" "high level takes everything, fix it! jerks!"

instead think, and wonder what is the root of why these things happen? and not "greed" people are idiots and mean" but why are they ABLE to do this. and suggest how to combat it.

wall street tanked becaue of greed, but they were able to eff it up because of bad regulation, because people in charge didnt forsee it, no one tipped them off, this is similir, we just gotta work with them not pee in thier cheerios to get attention like little kids.

I'm not sure if this a response to one of my posts, or just a rant about the general topic. Either way, most of it has nothing to do with anything I've said/repeats something I've already said.

[saiguru]

see that? ONLY 20. this is the porblem.

[saiguru]

sorry for double post,<removed>.


I'm not sure if this a response to one of my posts, or just a rant about the general topic. Either way, most of it has nothing to do with anything I've said/repeats something I've already said.

no, i dont even know you, when dealing with me unless i say your name or quote you, im not paying you much attention. just the topic in general. everyone loves to deconstruct, but are either too lazy or stupid to offer alternatives, and the ones that arent too lazy or stupid go largely un noticed because they are quiet nice people who are very smart and give good suggestions that get lost in the shuffle of all the loud mouths who just rattle the cage with no viable alternatives beyond "i hate this, you suck, and gms better fix this cause i bought a boost and some pots!"

and

the whole "you only got 20 xens in the labrynth" comment is most of the problem. 20 free xens is 20 free xens. how else would you get 20 free xens in c ouple hours? thats pretty good IMO

[neacolis]

There was no change to the drop rate in the Labyrinths. We are populating multiple maps during the event, so finding yourself in a location that is "running dry" will happen if you get there before it get[I]s repopulated.

Phibes, you must be joking. I wish I'd had the forethought enough to record what was happening, because the drop rate was DEFINITELY dropped in the Labyrinths. I was down there for quite a bit of time, even from the beginning of spawns and people were complaining about the drop rate the whole hour and a half I was there. If you want, I'll try to find some people to corroborate this.


see that? ONLY 20. this is the porblem.

Sai, you're missing the point. People wanting to have the same opportunity to get Xens as people of higher levels is not greedy, it's a desire for equality. The whole point of the novice labs was to give lower lvs a chance, and killing the drop rate like it did only reversed that. So what chance to lower levels have? None, and that's not fair at all. It's not greed to want the same opportunities as other people. If other players can get 100x and I'm supposed to be able to have that same opportunity, how is it greedy that I would want that?


no, i dont even know you, when dealing with me unless i say your name or quote you, im not paying you much attention. just the topic in general. everyone loves to deconstruct, but are either too lazy or stupid to offer alternatives, and the ones that arent too lazy or stupid go largely un noticed because they are quiet nice people who are very smart and give good suggestions that get lost in the shuffle of all the loud mouths who just rattle the cage with no viable alternatives beyond "i hate this, you suck, and gms better fix this cause i bought a boost and some pots!"

That's a very closed minded way of going about things. If you don't pay attention to what I say, you'll never have any idea what the point is. You come in this topic ranting because you THINK you already know what the topic is about, while what you're saying is completely irrelevant because you have no idea what I'm my point was in the first place. Most of what you've said are things that I've addressed already, and if you're not talking to me, then I guess you're just yelling at nobody.

[saiguru]

Phibes, you must be joking. I wish I'd had the forethought enough to record what was happening, because the drop rate was DEFINITELY dropped in the Labyrinths. I was down there for quite a bit of time, even from the beginning of spawns and people were complaining about the drop rate the whole hour and a half I was there.



Sai, you're missing the point. People wanting to have the same opportunity to get Xens as people of higher levels is not greedy, it's a desire for equality. The whole point of the novice labs was to give lower lvs a chance, and killing the drop rate like it did only reversed that. So what chance to lower levels have? None, and that's not fair at all. It's not greed to want the same opportunities as other people. If other players can get 100x and I'm supposed to be able to have that same opportunity, how is it greedy that I would want that?

i understand you and the others want equal chance, but you aint gonna get it by badgering and insulting and shouting nonsense in Yeggs. ive never gotten more than 40 or 50 at these things and routinely get 10 or less, and im near top of leaderboards for SM. because i lag and are always ill prepared, and i dont care if im rich or not, i get what need and not worry about it.

but if i did care and had the same problems lower levels had i would post something similiar to what i said in whatever post i made higher up. not nag in Yegg and be insulting. i know, most would say i would be insulting and a loud mouth, but if i took that route(which i have before) i wouldnt expect results(which i have never gotten acting that way)

ask nice, it seems to get results with these guys.

[neacolis]

i understand you and the others want equal chance, but you aint gonna get it by badgering and insulting and shouting nonsense in Yeggs. ive never gotten more than 40 or 50 at these things and routinely get 10 or less, and im near top of leaderboards for SM. because i lag and are always ill prepared, and i dont care if im rich or not, i get what need and not worry about it.

but if i did care and had the same problems lower levels had i would post something similiar to what i said in whatever post i made higher up. not nag in Yegg and be insulting. i know, most would say i would be insulting and a loud mouth, but if i took that route(which i have before) i wouldnt expect results(which i have never gotten acting that way)

ask nice, it seems to get results with these guys.

I made not a single yegg yell throughout the entire event. I saved my comments for the forums because it's a better setting.

If you read, I apologized earlier for being vague about the type of complaints that I was defending, and specified the ones that were relevant to the way the event is run and the wellbeing of the entire community.

[neacolis]

I think I owe the GMs an apology because prior to this thread I was unaware of the frivolity of some people's complaints. I'd only witnessed complaints pertinent to the overall fairness of the events, and hadn't seen much of what others in this thread are citing: insulting gms and complaining about small things. If this stuff is true, then I've been out of line. It's easy to group all complaints as bad when most of them are.

[sevnredseven]

The drop rate in the labyrinth was definitely lowered. Not only was I the first person inside the Novice labyrinth, but I had the exact same character setup this time around I had with the last town invasion. The bottom line is, with the last town invasion I amassed 324 xens...This time I walked with 26 xens. I'm not complaining at all so don't anyone go reading too far between the lines here. If I got only one xen stone I'm doing better than what I already had. I thought the event was a lot of fun, and the GM's are doing and have been doing excellent work all around.

I'm merely trying to illustrate my point, and back up what was said earlier in this thread: the labyrinth drop rates (at least in the novice one) were significantly lower this time. Whether it was cranked back up later during one of the random re-spawns or not, the initial two hours the event usually runs for was lacking. Again, not complaining, just stating the facts as I experienced them. I'm still very grateful for everything I got and I look forward to everything we have coming this Fall :)

[TheDarkSenshi]

I always find it funny that people who dont play still bother throwing there opinions in. If youre not actively in the game, don tell those who are how we should fix anything.


I have the same amount of right to post anything as anyone else despite that I don't play anymore. My opinion still means something to those who know me. I may have my own opinions against phibes but I still say the GMs are bettering the game more then the community are bettering themselves. That includes phibes on bettering the game. SO... Get over yourself in this matter.

Being equal when it comes to xens in town evasion is never going to be 100% equal. Someone will always prevail in this area. Thats with any game you play whether it be xens or some off the wall rare item. People are going to have their own opinion about things.. there will be strong along with the weak about this topic. The only thing is..... will people compromise? Of course not... Get real....

[jrgoofy]

I'm not gonna say that the event is perfect as it is, because it's not I know there are allot of lower lvls who can't manage to get xens. But shouting with yellow eggs, even if you have a good plan, is NOT a good idea and will never get you far. Making a thread like this is almost just as much a waste of time. If you would really like to see changes then try to come up with a good well thought out plan and suggest it to a gm on the forums and not during events in a yellow egg shout.


3. Do not disrupt or interfere with any events.

a. Disruptions include:
i. Spamming (Excessive chatting or repeating the same chat)
ii. Whispering the Game Masters without instruction
iii. Asking the Game Master non event related questions
iv. Whispering player participating in the events
v. Harassing players and GM’s during event
vi. Guilding a GM during event
vii. Buddy Listing a GM during event
This is a quote of rule number 3 of event rules and regulations. In my opinion excessive yellow egg shouts falls under spamming especially when your bashing the gms => 3 v.

I do believe though that the xen drop rate in the inside the labyrinth was lower. I was there for a few minutes when there were only ice tigers and hippos left and for the 10-15 minutes I was there not even one xen dropped, not for me and not for anyone near me, because I never heard the ping sound. I know the gms already have allot of work to do during the events but they might wanna consider increasing the drop rate a little more in the labyrinth.

[heeroyhui]

People wanting to have the same opportunity to get Xens as people of higher levels is not greedy, it's a desire for equality.


I think this is where the problem comes.
Do you think that high lvl players were rich at early lvls?, or maybe you think we got more than 10-20 xens on the past?, I remember that until lvl 120 i couldn't have more than 20 xens on my storage, and at 30 i was like "woot im rich". But nowdays some players want the "benefits" of those who worked hard to earn their lvls. If everyone could get the same things Why in the hell should we train?. I mean, a lvl 1 xenian deserve to have the same things as lvl 130+. If you want to achieve better things, work hard for them, everyone I know spend their time getting better, then, at the invasions they are ready to enjoy it and not to suffer it ;)


And Lab was just Right. I got 7 xens in 4 minutes... How could that be bad?

[TheDarkSenshi]

You're going to have to work for your meal.

Good quote and states truth.

Xeros is right... Besides.. it's a game... try to have fun.....

[bloodly-chan]

I don't know about anyone else, but I spammed a ton of SC pots too. Over one thousand, to be exact. "OH I DON'T HAVE THE SC TO AFFORD ALL THAT SCCCCC." Those were actually saved up sc pots from several YEARS of playing, since I am a cheapo and don't like to use my sc pots unless in an event or I'm dying in map or something. And if I weren't a paladin and didn't have those mp restoring skills, it would have been a lot more. In other words, I worked my **** off. And many times, the xen drop rate was horrific. My party and I killed over 20 ice tigers / their evil little babies with not a single xen drop. And some other times, I found two rabbits, and they each dropped a xen each.

I'm pretty sure it's all about luck.


I think I owe the GMs an apology because prior to this thread I was unaware of the frivolity of some people's complaints. I'd only witnessed complaints pertinent to the overall fairness of the events, and hadn't seen much of what others in this thread are citing: insulting gms and complaining about small things. If this stuff is true, then I've been out of line. It's easy to group all complaints as bad when most of them are.
As the maker of this thread, aren't you complaining about the GM's as well?


Since when did SoS's GMs start getting their feelings hurt when people have issues with their events (in this case, town invasion)? Today's town invasion was riddled with complaints, as usual. But what's really disappointing is that the GMs got mad at the players for complaining and prematurely ended the event. Now, I'm not 100% sure of what a GM's job is, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't to ignore people when they have an issue with the game. So what's with all the censorship? Why are we suggesting that the people who have a problem with the game should be thrown in jail? Why are the opinions of the people who worship the GMs the only opinions that are listened to?

It is seriously disappointing to see the GMs fishing for compliments, and what's even more disappointing is that the Adeline community is encouraging this behavior. Whenever someone complained via yellow egg, someone else was there telling them to shut up. But why? How will the problems with these events ever be solved is we silence everyone who points one out?

This game is not perfect people, I'm sure we all know that very well. So why do our high lv players, who complain about everything that concerns them (hippos, too much available def, new maps, etc.), tell everyone who has a problem with town invasion to be quiet while they rack up all the xens? This hypocrisy needs to stop.

This game is becoming more and more like and oppressive government. Our community shuns everyone who doesn't stroke a GM's ego, and the GM's are afraid of criticism. I know that being a GM isn't easy, and I know that as a GM you all have a lot of work to do for the game. But that is your JOB, you get paid to do this because not everything is going to be happy and bright all the time.



Thanks for completely contradicting yourself.

If I were constantly hit and hit again with all of these insults, many of them directed personally, I'm pretty sure I'd cry myself to sleep every night, and quit as soon as I can. Instead, these GM's are STILL listening, STILL trying, and STILL here. I notice that there isn't a "LAST EDITED BY: .....!" under all of my posts anymore, and that makes my day almost every time. I see these threads in which the GM's are talking with the programmers, and since when have we gotten ANYTHING new since before these gm's came? Houses, which were shunned in the first two weeks, (god, I HATE house drops still... at least give them some value when I npc them, PLEASEEE, that's more than 17 kron for a bloody 70 weight bar when I can barely carry 80 mp pots without getting overweight) level pvp which is NEVER USED, what else? Oh, that's about it, really since new maps. A bunch of new sc gear and weapons. Joy for those. 15% mounts, which everyone's annoyed with anyways....

Now, they're trying to get more quests, taking more ideas from US, the COMMUNITY, before the forums were just about completely deserted by the GM's, and if they read these threads, they didnt' even bother to tell us. Other than Bondo's trolling of editing all my posts (and everyone else's) there was no gm activity on the forums. Forum MVP died, Player of the Month died like YEARS ago, almost everything GM forum based died.

I don't even know what you're complaining about, since in the beggining of the thread you were complaining abuot the GM's, and now your'e going Oh, SORRY DUDES.

Before I get too flamy, I'm just gonna go eat...

[wardomic]

Xeros, you forgot about something when you made your post. You are refering to a time when xens were a lot rarer, and there were no cloned xens or extreme xen dropping events. Nowadays through grinding alone I can get 10 xens in a week, if I wanted to I could sell stuff and earn over 300 xens easy. Because xens are no longer rare that means everyone should have a fair chance at getting xens, since it's common to have 50+ nowadays even as a low level.

Seriously look at the economy, look at the prices of gears, look at the game itself. Either everyone should have a fair shot at getting xens with how common they are now, or nobody should get any xens at all. Personally I think for the sake of the game it should be no xens, but that's just me.

[tomcat47]

I have no idea why people are even talking about why people shouldn't shout and complain with y.eggs and be rude. I highly doubt the people who do it read the forums.

There are always going to be people who complain. With the player count growing, or at least...how it grew from before lol, means there are going to be more bad apples.

The way WE can help it is not by saying "you shouldn't do that" in the forums. How many of you whispered the y.eggers and asked them not to shout rude things? How many of you were beyond nice and offered to party them? Thats a little much in my opinion <_<; cause I'm poor. But still. Even just whispering to them, being nice, and trying to encourage them to go to the lab, or that lower monsters will be spawned, is doing something to help.

[heeroyhui]

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War. Yes. we had less Xens. But there's no sense on that, No matter if they are more common nowdays, we still need them, and after all if we take your logic "Low level players shouldn't have many xens, that would lead to make them stronger and they would end up buying def stuff to play on templar +",.

But that's not the point, what I'm saying is this; This game isn't rewarding for High lvl players, and this is the only thing that pays off for our hard work. :(. And I know that on the next invasion some players will be on the "I'm weak, not fair-victim rampage" and those who are low lvl today, in one month they can hit a good lvl to enjoy this event "that is optional", but it's easier to complain.

[wardomic]

If your only come back is that "This game isn't rewarding for High lvl players, and this is the only thing that pays off for our hard work.." Then you need to re evaluate what exactly we are talking about. It's an EVENT that's held by gms, and events are meant to be fun and enjoyable by all, not for high levels. If your only purpose to gaining levels is to become hax at events, then... wow just wow.

I will agree with you in that there's not much for high levels to look forward to besides skills and looks and speed killing low level monsters for fun(and farming with that), but to substitute the lack of in game stuff for you with events where high levels get to take advantage of lower levels is no way to go. That's exactly why town invasion in it's current state is a mistake. They need to rip the xen/profit portion of the event out and replace it with actually having fun, not stroke the egos of high level players who go "free xens for one hit killing things!". Being a higher level in these kinds of events should mean different challenges than lower levels, not more profit. Earn your profit with selling stuff, questing, and grinding, not with events meant for FUN.

[neacolis]

My party and I killed over 20 ice tigers / their evil little babies with not a single xen drop. And some other times, I found two rabbits, and they each dropped a xen each.

I'm pretty sure it's all about luck.


Funny that someone like you hasn't noticed which monsters do and don't drop xens. If you pay attention to the xens you get from which monsters, it's easy to tell which ones drop the most xens. I can't say much about the drop rate of the big tigers, but the little tigers NEVER drop xens, so in that situation you were only looking at 20 xens max to begin with. The monsters that spawn after hitting a boss monster never drop xens, because if left alone the boss would spawn 2 more, meaning that it's possible that people can farm a single monster for infinite xens because the boss will keep spawning them.

I mean, really, saying that it's luck is a sure sign of ignorance. You need to pay more attention to where the xens you get come from.


As the maker of this thread, aren't you complaining about the GM's as well?

Yeah, your point?


Thanks for completely contradicting yourself.

I don't understand what you're getting at. How'd I contradict myself? Do you understand the context of these two posts you're quoting?


If I were constantly hit and hit again with all of these insults, many of them directed personally, I'm pretty sure I'd cry myself to sleep every night, and quit as soon as I can. Instead, these GM's are STILL listening, STILL trying, and STILL here. I notice that there isn't a "LAST EDITED BY: .....!" under all of my posts anymore, and that makes my day almost every time. I see these threads in which the GM's are talking with the programmers, and since when have we gotten ANYTHING new since before these gm's came? Houses, which were shunned in the first two weeks, (god, I HATE house drops still... at least give them some value when I npc them, PLEASEEE, that's more than 17 kron for a bloody 70 weight bar when I can barely carry 80 mp pots without getting overweight) level pvp which is NEVER USED, what else? Oh, that's about it, really since new maps. A bunch of new sc gear and weapons. Joy for those. 15% mounts, which everyone's annoyed with anyways....

Now, they're trying to get more quests, taking more ideas from US, the COMMUNITY, before the forums were just about completely deserted by the GM's, and if they read these threads, they didnt' even bother to tell us. Other than Bondo's trolling of editing all my posts (and everyone else's) there was no gm activity on the forums. Forum MVP died, Player of the Month died like YEARS ago, almost everything GM forum based died.

And, what has this produced so far? The only thing the new GMs have really accomplished so far is the introduction of daily events, which isn't a very big thing IMO. If all these things the GMs are promising never show, then you'll shun them just like you shun the previous GMs who did nothing. As of now, you're presupposing that these new GMs are a godsend, but the truth of the matter is that even they have done very little concrete improvement to the game, and right now all we have to rely on are their words and promises, just like previous GMs that you hate. Oh, and before you attribute the upcoming maps to them, remember that the GMs aren't programmers and this content was probably developed without their efforts (so much for it coming out in the summer.)


I don't even know what you're complaining about, since in the beggining of the thread you were complaining abuot the GM's, and now your'e going Oh, SORRY DUDE

Meika, you should really try reading for comprehension. No one else in this thread has had any trouble understanding my point, as I am very clear. Clearly, you took a cursory glance over my entire argument and didn't even think before you posted.

Wardomic pretty much sums up what I would say in response to Xeros's post.

[himoses]

I think the GM's requested some development changes to allow mobs to drop different items like sparkcash item. I actually got a 1 day hockey mask which is totally awesome. The event started off kinda shaky and I thought that we finally pushed our GMs over the line and all the fun events were over. That cheesed me off a bit, since I like the direction this game is going a lot.

I went about doing my business and mobs started coming again when I checked on the game and I was like OMG, this is still going on. These poor GMs must be pulling an all-nighter. I had fun overall.

As to the issue about the game not being fair to all, that is partly upon the community and partly upon the individual. It is hard to be civil when you are overtaken by xen greed. However, before that happens, if you see a low level player attacking a mob they can handle, leave them alone. If you see a higher level come in for a ks, let them know what they are doing is wrong. I was following a mob around and wild swinging like mad, and I accidentally ks'ed a healer. That is like the worse thing so I gave the healer the xens I picked up. I picked up about 120 xens on my different characters which was about what I would get in POX. I gave away about half. I played a few hours, had a bunch of fun. The event was totally worth my time plus I got a good laugh at all the sniviling complainers. Ah, good times...

I learned a new skill that I like to call gargoyle judgment. I collected like 20 gargoyle fire spitting thingies from the library and paraded them around to show all of the ksers. The ksers were so amazed at my "pets" that they floated off to heaven. Epic.

[nad_papillon]

Ok, I started reading the 4 first pages, then got bored.

Here are my 2 cents for those who are interested, and it would be a good tank of fuel for the known flamers :

oh yeah, and when I say "you", it's not pointing at the PO, it's general ...

1 - You say the event was not fair for all players? I agree, but the GMs are trying their best, and you should notice that the Town invasion spawning rate is different each time, so they are working on it, all I blame them on, is that they don't listen to player's suggestions, which they should, to improve the event and lesser the whining.

2 - ppl whined? yes. But who are those players who whined? they are little plvled nubs that thought that getting to xxx lvl and having uber defense would get them 500+ xens in event. I guess they are stupid enough to realize that in this event, the more damage you do to a monster, the more chance you have to get the xen, this is why the AMs could ks everyone. Frost/volvano, u're done, the xen is mine.

Who else whined, some healers? how is it the GMs' fault if their "friends" are greedy and didn't party them to give them a chance to grab some xens. so it's easy for them to whine.

3 - You said the only ones who got the most xens are the high lvled? wrong. I got only 15 xens on my warlord, only played it to help and party a friend healer who got 20+ xens. The rest of my xens, I got them on my nubs, range lvl 20 ->70. and I got alot $.$, even when i was ksed by some of the players who are posting in this thread saying "you have been ksed? oh welll"

4 - You say the xen drop in the maze has been lowered? and you only got 20-30 xens in 2 hours? I say it's a lie because I got a lot more then that in 1 hour.
Like I shouted during the event, it's not the GMs' fault if you didn't get crap, I played it smart and got a hell lot. All you have to do is study how the event is held, and get ready for the next one, this is y I did, and I left a winner $.$

5 - You say the GMs have favoritism, I agree, and they have to put a limit to what those "favorites" can do, because I saw a lot of them getting reported for breaking the ToS and never being banned nor jailed ...

6 - Now to quote some funny posts :




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Also, as a note, yesterday we had the Wyrm on Eir, and some players killed the lesser but they couldn't with the Big one, so i took the time to kill it and a few players helped using healing skills, or even mounts stun, and after 20 minutes the Dragon fell down, but when it was like 1/4 away from dying, some nub players (those who were using yeggs to complain) they came to hit the dragon 1, and miss. And Nad said: Remember that the drops are for -Xeros- he's killing it alone, and they said: It's soo unfair that we can't enjoy the drops, only High lvl players can!. At the end one of them took 1 of the drops (pibriums) and i got the Xen. (Now you can see what kind of ppl are those who complain);)

NOTE: GMs: The invasion was awesome, and fun.

ikr >.<, I said it like 20 times, and the greedy jerks just ignored me. You know, next time, when nubs come and hit it, stop hitting it for a sec and have a laugh. This is what I did when nubs came to ks the almost dead hippos I was killing, and they all ended up floating like angels lol





the biggest problem is this: the mobs levels are all mixed. now diring the event i was smashing some hippos, right next to me i see like 100 little bats that i can kill kind of easy just appear, now im gonna think: "wait wait thyere for low levels ill let them go."? hell no, imma stun them and aoe kill as many as possible. if they didnt mix the mobs with such a high disparity in level this wouldnt happen.

and this is why the high levels get so many more, NO ONE is gonna stand there and watch a giant mob full of monsters they can kill in 3 hits fly by all potentially containing xens. not gonna happen.

yeah, and NO ONE will watch a lvl70- slowly killing her mob of half dead monsters and not lightmask/circle trap it and kill it in 2 hits, no?
I laughed when a certain SM didn't get anything from it. just showed that he is still a jerk, no?

7 - Now, for my advise for the players : As I said, study the event, and get ready for the next one. whining wont get you more xens, and counting on the high lvl friends that plvls you wont happen. They share the exp, but never the xens, too greedy for that.

8 - Now, my suggestion for the GMs : Keep the monster spawning as it is, highly lower the xen drop rate, but keep it higher then the normal maps xen drop rate, like, 1 xens each 10-15 kills is reasonable. And at the end of the event, warp the participating players to a dungeon map or something, and give everyone 50 xens and 200 flaks of health :), and everyone would be happy.
I remember an event Murdock used to do "Garbage clean-up" or something, where we get warped to "now the drift dungeon", and they spawn monsters like hell and we need to kill everything in 30 min, no xen dropped, and at the end, he gave everyone of us 20 or 30 xens. Not a lot of players would join, cos 20 xens is not enough for their greedyness, but it was a lot of fun. So doing something similar would work fine

Well I guess I'm done for now.

[doninpon]

WOW!! I'm surprised this thread didnt get closed yet. All my negative feedback threads got closed prematurely. I will say that Phibes was the most involved GM we had since I had started playing the game over two years ago, but everything got out of hand and nothing EVER got resolved... especially when it came to customer service. Hence the reason for my non participation for the last seven months. I just came on because i was curious about whether or not anything has changed. I'm sad to say that this thread appears to answer that question. Good luck guys.

[celestialayu]

I'm glad I stopped this game and or taking it seriously ;3


[Intended, non-related post]

And since I posted here, a lock of this thread will soon follow ~

[GM_RoboPanda]

This thread isn't necrod, no need to close.

Please don't post in threads with the intention of trying to get them locked.

kthx

[rainner]

kk, Simple Noobie Here.
Simple and easy way to put it.
People are greedy at one point or another.
Want change? Start With Yourself. Others WILL follow.
Today at Salt Trivia, Robo Spammed a hell of a lot of high level monsters. I asked him if he could spam a few low level one's for me and my friends. He then spammed a few poyo's n such.(Point Proven. Ask Nicely And U Shall Receive.) i got about 90% kills since half my friends were aco's while i was a scout and got about 6-7 xens.
Like i said, Want change? Start with yourself. I gave each friends atleast 1 xen, depending on how helpful they TRIED to be. Not were, but tried.

If u want to revert to the stone age, go ahead.(That Me Xeny, Gimme Gimme)
If u want to make the game better, and be fair.

Well, that's completely up to u.

Like I said. Im Just a noobie putting in my 2 cents here. Since everyone that seem's to post is 80+ =D

[chitesnoo88]

I dunno if this will be considered a necro or not, but i'd just like to say a few things, i guess to try to bring a little logic to the discussion.

Firstly, this game is about to be REBORN.
let's just assume, for the moment, that it will be executed with a little forethought and good design, since eveything deserves the benefit of the doubt.

if so, i'm sure events will take place in a more orderly fashion, hopefully with more thought to level discrepancies and class.

BUT

if not, even if events still pander to the greedy and ruthless, they are still just free events, and everyone could just settle down and not get so emotional about it.

Secondly.

These GM's are the most involved we've ever had, and i think they deserve a little credit for that.
the fact that we even have Reborn to look forward to is to their credit (to one degree or another), no doubt.
I certainly do not disapprove of voicing constructive criticism, as long as it is given with a fair and reasonable acknowledgment of the successes as well as the perceived failures.

i don't think this version of solstice is going to get any more major adjustments.
perhaps a more constructive way to approach a problem is to suggest a solution to be effected in Reborn.
or just wait and see how events are held in Reborn.

Thirdly!
xens aren't going to transfer over to Reborn anyway! why get all upset about them?

[aika101010]

LOL this post was interesting!!!!! had fun reading it. Well i got 14 xens that event. and I WAS HAPPY about it thanks GMs. but i also think that the event can still be improved. I also think that the event is constantly being changed to be better but were just not there yet and improvements are slow. well just have to wait people. ^_^ i felt sorry for Gms being insulted btw xD

[taran_mcdohl]

Dont mean to bring up a dead post...but to be fair i have only been posting and playing this game for 14 days. I have had 2 experiences with GMs in my 2 weeks..and both were good. I dont think it is the GMs...they are doing a fine job...i think it is the community. I avoid atleast 70% of the people on Marian because all they do is complain, cuss each other out, and call people noob. I see Gms get on and the same people over and over attack them in shout.
Gms are doing a fine job...its the community that needs to grow up and realize it is a game...they are here for the same reason we are...entertainment. You do not like the way things are going...move to something else and stop ruining my fun in the game.

[reamon12]

it's easy mmkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... ._o

[doninpon]

@taran... NOOB! =) Just kidding... really I am. I agree with what you're saying, the community literally has the power to make this game fun, or not. I will say however, that the GM's are the only one's who have some controll over the community and their emotions. You will always have some people who aren't satesfied no matter what. However, if 70% of the people are complaining that really does kind of speak for itself doesn't it?

[wardomic]

Nice post tho it is pointless. This thread is old and has been necro'd a couple times or almost necro'd. I will agree with you on only one point, this game is too much of a grindfest and turned some people for the worst. Solution? Find another game OR wait for Solstice Reborn, which promises a lot of changes. Will it fix all of the problems? Of course not but it'll do it's best as an upgraded version of the game.

The real problems with games like this? It attracts some of the worst kinds of people.
People who are too competitive or rude(pvp and some higher up people who like to "own" maps)
People who are too lazy and try to find an easy way out, and actually find it(Leechers and people who aoe entire maps way above their level)
Greedy people who once they have everything they could ever need just keep wanting more(Some xen hoarders, cloners, and people who enhance exclusively to sell)
People who love drama or love causing drama(know a couple people but won't name names)

The list goes on. It's within the people's power to make the game better but they keep thinking of only themselves in some way. Anyways Solstice's game mechanics are due for a lot of tweaking which will solve the grindfest by adding lots of quests and things to do, remove full map aoeing, hopefully remove leeching on a large scale at least, re balancing classes, etc...

Hopefully when Reborn comes out it will either turn those who make the game worse away, or help bring people back to their senses and be nicer to others and play to to just enjoy the game. The game itself can be fixed but the people themselves need to change their attitudes which comes with time. I would say, having been here for over 2 years now, there has been a very good improvement when it comes to our gms and from events.

Anyways thank you for making the post that finally made me post :p We are all free to have our own opinion on games and life and events that go on. We can either try to help make things better, or just live things out as they are.

[cystemicaura]

Nice post tho it is pointless. This thread is old and has been necro'd a couple times or almost necro'd. I will agree with you on only one point, this game is too much of a grindfest and turned some people for the worst. Solution? Find another game OR wait for Solstice Reborn, which promises a lot of changes. Will it fix all of the problems? Of course not but it'll do it's best as an upgraded version of the game.

The real problems with games like this? It attracts some of the worst kinds of people.
People who are too competitive or rude(pvp and some higher up people who like to "own" maps)
People who are too lazy and try to find an easy way out, and actually find it(Leechers and people who aoe entire maps way above their level)
Greedy people who once they have everything they could ever need just keep wanting more(Some xen hoarders, cloners, and people who enhance exclusively to sell)
People who love drama or love causing drama(know a couple people but won't name names)

The list goes on. It's within the people's power to make the game better but they keep thinking of only themselves in some way. Anyways Solstice's game mechanics are due for a lot of tweaking which will solve the grindfest by adding lots of quests and things to do, remove full map aoeing, hopefully remove leeching on a large scale at least, re balancing classes, etc...

Hopefully when Reborn comes out it will either turn those who make the game worse away, or help bring people back to their senses and be nicer to others and play to to just enjoy the game. The game itself can be fixed but the people themselves need to change their attitudes which comes with time. I would say, having been here for over 2 years now, there has been a very good improvement when it comes to our gms and from events.

Anyways thank you for making the post that finally made me post :p We are all free to have our own opinion on games and life and events that go on. We can either try to help make things better, or just live things out as they are.

Funny enough I came back to see if anyone commented on my post, and it has been deleted, you should all see that the GM's didnt want you all to know about the information I had to offer.

[wardomic]

Your so called information wasn't all that informative either, and was aimed at trying to push people to quit or go to other games, which is something that is not needed at this time with what's to come. Before making such posts please learn the current status of the game, what plans for the near future are(even if they have been delayed) and know how long ago a thread was made before posting in it. Thank you for your time i'm sure people who did manage to read your post before it's deletion will remember parts of it, tho probably won't have the effect you intended since things have changed.

[dylanangel]

God lord let this thread die. Old saying goes and should def be followed by ALL *hint*

DONT FEED THE TROLLS and they usually go away ;)

[celestialayu]

God lord let this thread die. Old saying goes and should def be followed by ALL *hint*

DONT FEED THE TROLLS and they usually go away ;)

You (and now me too) are contradicting for this thread to die by posting on this thread.

Now on a new note, if people are displeased with the game, what ever happened to leaving.

Leaving in a discreet manner, that is

More people should not be shouting in game on their leave or making quitting threads on the forums.

[prewdaug]

I wanted to say that this game is free to play. If you don't like the way the GM's are handling things, then become one, and see how tough it is to put up with complainers. Folks, they could be charging 15 dollars a month like other games do and you won't get anything for "free".
I think that it is great that they have events and pass out xen stones and other things for the players. Otherwise it could just cost you 1,000,000,000 xen to buy them. If you don't like the "free" game, then go pay for one.
I like the game. If you think you can do better, then get a GM job and put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, you are just like all the other blowhards, who want something for free. All talk and no action.
It's easy to point the finger and complain, it's another thing to be disrespected and harrassed and keep on trying to make the game better. My hat is off to the GM's.
Did I say I like the game? Thanks GM's for doing what you do. I know the game is not perfect, and I am proud of you for what you do. Keep up the good work. I don't blame you if you "lose it" from time to time. It's hard to deal with people who are ungrateful and full of acid tongues. Don't be discouraged. We love you.

[Shadowic2]

Putting this zombie out of it's misery.

Please do not Necro-Post.

Thank you!